6 year old tranny wins case against school. she now can use the ladies room

a 6year old trans-gender has won a civil rights case against her elementary school. after her parents sought legal action against the school for forcing her to use the male washroom despite her wearing a dress and generally looking and acting like a girl.

 (for those who cant tell she is the one in the white and red)

the judge pointed out that the school serious misunderstood what a transgender is and the situation she is in. often referring to her as a male or even using quotation marks around "her" (just like that) throughout their legal paperwork.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/23/19105304-transgender-6-year-old-wins-civil-rights-case-to-use-girls-bathroom?lite

good on her

real drama will arise when she turns 16 and up

If she doenst have her male parts anymore, I dont see where the confusion was coming from.

just curious about the whole trans gendered at 6 part, when was the operation done, was it at or around birth, or later when the child was already somewhat self aware?

Edit: just read the article, it doesnt state whether the opperation took place or not, but it was the childs choice atleast.

good for her

If she doenst have her male parts anymore, I dont see where the confusion was coming from.

just curious about the whole trans gendered at 6 part, when was the operation done, was it at or around birth, or later when the child was already somewhat self aware?

Jehuty08

not sure how i feel about this.

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If she doenst have her male parts anymore, I dont see where the confusion was coming from.

just curious about the whole trans gendered at 6 part, when was the operation done, was it at or around birth, or later when the child was already somewhat self aware?

ionusX

I guess Im even more ignorant on the subject of the transgendered than I initially thought, I always thought that you have to have the surgury performed before you could be considered as such.

If she still has her male naughty bits, then I can see where the school is coming from on the bathroom part. As for the rest of it, I dont see why they couldnt refer to her as a girl.

Seriously? Let the child empty his/her bladder where suitable, which should be the of the child to decide, not the school administration. Let the childhood be as good as possible, and not add to the possible hardship to come.

having seperate toilets for different sexes is pointless anyway.

I don't see why anyone would opoose a trans person using the toilet that matches the sex they feel associated with.

If she still has her male naughty bits, then I can see where the school is coming from on the bathroom part.

Jehuty08

Why? How are a person's private parts at all relevant to where they go to the bathroom at? A toilet is a toilet.

I think the child is a bit too young.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think the child is a bit too young.....toast_burner

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think the child is a bit too young.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Why is it ok to teach a child the traditional idea of gender at any age, but alternative ones are out of the question?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Nice straw man.....LJS9502_basic

I'd want to know more about it but reading that article I agree that I'm not sure how I feel about it and I think the child's a bit too young.

We have a dressing-up box in the library and the number of 4-6 year old boys who put on dresses and caper about is about the same as the number of girls who wear the cowboy hat or whatever, at that age everthing is about exploration and observation, but not so much about life-long convictions :\

I myself was a boy-ish child and prefered Teenage Muntant Ninja Turtles over dolls and things, but I am glad my parents didn't decide I wanted to be male because of it, I am very happy in my female form.

But like I say we don't know much, she may well feel it as a strong conviction, but in a way I can see why the school would want to show some caution or restraint. 

I think the child is a bit too young.....LJS9502_basic

For what.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think the child is a bit too young.....Pffrbt

For what.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Not really. If you fail to elaborate your point than expect people to misinterpret it. 

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I can see why the school would want to show some caution or restraint. MissLibrarian

Why? Something like this literally isn't a big deal unless they make it one. If a kid identifies as female and wants to use the girls' restroom then fine, who gives a shit? The only person harmed by any of this is the kid if they choose to make her feel ashamed as if something is wrong with her.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] It shouldn't need elaborated. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Of course it does. You said she's too young, but you didn't say why or even what for.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] For making such a momentous decision....kids do change drastically from what they are at 6.:|ShadowJax04

For making such a momentous decision....kids do change drastically from what they are at 6.:|LJS9502_basic

What momentous decision exactly? If she feels like she's a female then let her act and live like one. If she feels differently later on then no big deal. It's not like allowing her to use the restroom she feels appropriate is a life changing, permanent decision. It's not like they're chopping off her parts.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]For making such a momentous decision....kids do change drastically from what they are at 6.:|Pffrbt

What momentous decision exactly? If she feels like she's a female then let her act and live like one. If she feels differently later on then no big deal. It's not like allowing her to use the restroom she feels appropriate is a life changing, permanent decision. It's not like they're chopping off her parts.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]I can see why the school would want to show some caution or restraint. Pffrbt

Why? Something like this literally isn't a big deal unless they make it one. If a kid identifies as female and wants to use the girls' restroom then fine, who gives a shit? The only person harmed by any of this is the kid if they choose to make her feel ashamed as if something is wrong with her.

lol...Look at you trying to be all PC.LJS9502_basic

Look at you not actually responding to anything said.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]lol...Look at you trying to be all PC.Pffrbt

Look at you not actually responding to anything said.

WTF? A kid could decide she wants to change her name to Fifi McTrixiebelle or whatever
That's a different scenario and isn't relevant.
but unless her parents let her do that legally and bring the school the deed poll papers the school is under no obligation to do whatever a 6 year old wantsMissLibrarian

Evidently the judge disagrees with you. The school is obligated to let a child use the restroom they're most comfortable with. Especially when no one is harmed by them doing so.

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]WTF? A kid could decide she wants to change her name to Fifi McTrixiebelle or whatever
That's a different scenario and isn't relevant.
but unless her parents let her do that legally and bring the school the deed poll papers the school is under no obligation to do whatever a 6 year old wantsPffrbt

Evidently the judge disagrees with you. The school is obligated to let a child use the restroom they're most comfortable with. Especially when no one is harmed by them doing so.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]If we were talking about getting surgery I'd agree. But this is simply about wearing dresses and prefering to be called she rather than he. 

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We don't need to mingle boys and girls bathrooms on the whim of one six year old. I imagine that's bad for business. Kids going home to their parents telling them they actually saw a vagina today. Wouldn't sit good with the parents, I dont think.  Boys go one place, girls go another. Then in a few years they can sneak into each others bathrooms all they want. I imagine the school would upset people if they threw bathroom order out the window. I'm not afraid of change. Not that I would care seeing as my kids don't go to elementary but it's not time for a change. She can feel she's a girl but if she doesn't get a sex change, which is ludicrous anyways at that age, she stays in the boys room.

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[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]WTF? A kid could decide she wants to change her name to Fifi McTrixiebelle or whatever
That's a different scenario and isn't relevant.
but unless her parents let her do that legally and bring the school the deed poll papers the school is under no obligation to do whatever a 6 year old wantsLJS9502_basic

Evidently the judge disagrees with you. The school is obligated to let a child use the restroom they're most comfortable with. Especially when no one is harmed by them doing so.

What did you say exactly?
"What momentous decision exactly? If she feels like she's a female then let her act and live like one. If she feels differently later on then no big deal. It's not like allowing her to use the restroom she feels appropriate is a life changing, permanent decision. It's not like they're chopping off her parts."

That a small child knows what they want for the rest of their lives?
No.

Well that would be wrong so why should I bother answering that.LJS9502_basic

You know that isn't what I said. The only reason you're refusing to respond is because you know you're wrong.

Wonder how the judge would rule if presented with a lawsuit from parents of girls.....LJS9502_basic

They don't have a case.

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[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"] Which is why 'she' goes to the boys' room.ShadowJax04

We don't need to mingle boys and girls bathrooms on the whim of one six year old. I imagine that's bad for business. Kids going home to their parents telling them they actually saw a vagina today. Wouldn't sit good with the parents, I dont think.  Boys go one place, girls go another. Then in a few years they can sneak into each others bathrooms all they want. I imagine the school would upset people if they threw bathroom order out the window. I'm not afraid of change. Not that I would care seeing as my kids don't go to elementary but it's not time for a change. She can feel she's a girl but if she doesn't get a sex change, which is ludicrous anyways at that age, she stays in the boys room.

And even if someone does get a peak, so what?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]lol...Look at you trying to be all PC.LJS9502_basic

Look at you not actually responding to anything said.

We don't need to mingle boys and girls bathrooms on the whim of one six year old.
We're not (not that there's much point in having them seperate to begin with). A person's private parts are no one else's business so it isn't relevant to whether she should be allowed to use the girls' restroom.
I imagine that's bad for business.
What business?
Kids going home to their parents telling them they actually saw a vagina today.
What the f*ck are you even talking about?
Wouldn't sit good with the parents, I dont think.ShadowJax04

Pretty sure kids seeing anyone's private parts at school wouldn't sit well with parents regardless the sex they belonged to.

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]We don't need to mingle boys and girls bathrooms on the whim of one six year old.
We're not (not that there's much point in having them seperate to begin with). A person's private parts are no one else's business so it isn't relevant to whether she should be allowed to use the girls' restroom.
I imagine that's bad for business.
What business?
Kids going home to their parents telling them they actually saw a vagina today.
What the f*ck are you even talking about?
Wouldn't sit good with the parents, I dont think.Pffrbt

Pretty sure kids seeing anyone's private parts at school wouldn't sit well with parents regardless the sex they belonged to.

Imagine what would happen if a kid becomes aware of vagina's, it would be tragic for both himself and his family. 

"Hey mum! Guess what!"

"What?"

"VAGINA!"

Tragic, just tragic

I read the story yesterday but didn't think it was worth posting. All I can say is while I don't believe in discrimination, I have to question how someone that young can say they are a girl when they haven't even hit puberty yet. What is going to happen if five to ten years from now that child realizes they like girls and want to be a boy again? I can see the bullying already.

 

There is a reason we don't let people make most major life-altering decisions until they are adults and it has little to do with discrimination. Also, I doubt the parents of the female students want to explain to their daughters why their classmate has a penis there is no 100% guarantee they will never see it while in the bathroom.ad1x2

While this picture is about gays, it still works with your second paragrph

I read the story yesterday but didn't think it was worth posting. All I can say is while I don't believe in discrimination, I have to question how someone that young can say they are a girl when they haven't even hit puberty yet. What is going to happen if five to ten years from now that child realizes they like girls and want to be a boy again? I can see the bullying already.

There is a reason we don't let people make most major life-altering decisions until they are adults and it has little to do with discrimination. Also, I doubt the parents of the female students want to explain to their daughters why their classmate has a penis there is no 100% guarantee they will never see it while in the bathroom.ad1x2

[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]We don't need to mingle boys and girls bathrooms on the whim of one six year old.
We're not (not that there's much point in having them seperate to begin with). A person's private parts are no one else's business so it isn't relevant to whether she should be allowed to use the girls' restroom.
I imagine that's bad for business.
What business?
Kids going home to their parents telling them they actually saw a vagina today.
What the f*ck are you even talking about?
Wouldn't sit good with the parents, I dont think.Pffrbt

Pretty sure kids seeing anyone's private parts at school wouldn't sit well with parents regardless the sex they belonged to.

What business? You think schools are run on cakes? Less angry parents = more cake. Not the time to change toilet rules. You have a penis you go the boys room.

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[QUOTE="ShadowJax04"]We don't need to mingle boys and girls bathrooms on the whim of one six year old.
We're not (not that there's much point in having them seperate to begin with). A person's private parts are no one else's business so it isn't relevant to whether she should be allowed to use the girls' restroom.
I imagine that's bad for business.
What business?
Kids going home to their parents telling them they actually saw a vagina today.
What the f*ck are you even talking about?
Wouldn't sit good with the parents, I dont think.ShadowJax04

Pretty sure kids seeing anyone's private parts at school wouldn't sit well with parents regardless the sex they belonged to.

What business? You think schools are run on cakes? Less angry parents = more cake. Not the time to change toilet rules. You have a penis you go the boys room.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]I read the story yesterday but didn't think it was worth posting. All I can say is while I don't believe in discrimination, I have to question how someone that young can say they are a girl when they haven't even hit puberty yet. What is going to happen if five to ten years from now that child realizes they like girls and want to be a boy again? I can see the bullying already.

 

There is a reason we don't let people make most major life-altering decisions until they are adults and it has little to do with discrimination. Also, I doubt the parents of the female students want to explain to their daughters why their classmate has a penis there is no 100% guarantee they will never see it while in the bathroom.toast_burner

While this picture is about gays, it still works with your second paragrph