2Pac was good, but a fraud. Here is mah point.

I grew up with his music. But I now realize he was killed for a bad culture. He promoted killing and death. You reap what you sow. He became a gangster out of a culture, he was a pop roadie.

He also had beautiful songs. But if you actually examine his history you see that he was adapting to an emerging gangsta rap culture. He was nothing but a Digital Underground roadie to begin with. The culture evolves, and he helped his own demise as I've learned on his VH1 biography.

He was hanging with thugs. He got killed because his crew beat up rivals in a Las Vegas hotel. Its the thuggery he tried to associate himself with, and that built up into a false image, and that led to his death. Its sad.

You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.IrishPunk

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4RcIeXzy7Uc

(couldn't find the skit+song)

2PAC IS ALIVE!!

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.PrimordialMeme

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Can i ask you did you hang out with 2Pac, if not you really don't know what that man stood for, music is one thing but it cant tell a whole persons life, besides the music biz is about making money and he raped about what he knew, i don't think he was supporting killing people. If you believe that then you must have never really heard most of 2pacs good songs.Dub_c6969

Thats my point. He was victim of the culture, a violent meme he helped create. According to insiders that was the case. If i had a link to the VH1 documentary I'd supply it.

Look i know you prolly dont like rap but try and listen to this song for just one minute and see if you knew all of 2pacs intentions yea im sure he did some bad things in hes life but im sure he also did some good. When i listened to most of 2pacs songs i never got the sense that he was supporting killing ppl, in most of hes songs he was talking about the black culture needing to change like in this song.

Link to song.

"TeH Eastside Westside BS has got to end!!" - Snoop(I think) :P

Or was it P diddo?

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[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.IrishPunk

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Good music that I LOVE> But the culture was dangerous. Listen to "hit em up"... youtube it. I'd link but its bannable.

But just watch the VH1 documnetary on the history of rap. They attest to this point, insiders who knew him.

[QUOTE="Dub_c6969"]Can i ask you did you hang out with 2Pac, if not you really don't know what that man stood for, music is one thing but it cant tell a whole persons life, besides the music biz is about making money and he raped about what he knew, i don't think he was supporting killing people. If you believe that then you must have never really heard most of 2pacs good songs.PrimordialMeme

Thats my point. He was victim of the culture, a violent meme he helped create. According to insiders that was the case. If i had a link to the VH1 documentary I'd supply it.

He did not create anything he was just trying to get paid, when my dad used to listen to 2pac he never mentioned he wanted to be like him, go sell dope, or "kill ppl". he just liked what he had to say about changing certain things and liked listening to he's music.

Im sure 2pac had to do some of he's fair share of "gangsta" songs but he had too or else he would prolly be labeled a softie but most of hes other songs were for the better, therefore don't judge him on only a song or two that you heard, go listen to all hes albums then comeback and comment on him and then I could take you a little bit more serious.

Look if you don't like or understand rap i don't think you should make such bold comments about a man you don't even really know, that's like me saying KISS is evil and they are devil worshipers and they give young kids crack after the show, i don't like ROCK or KISS and I have never ever listened to their music or rock or heavy metal so i would never be in a position to say such a thing.

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[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.PrimordialMeme

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Good music that I LOVE> But the culture was dangerous. Listen to "hit em up"... youtube it. I'd link but its bannable.

But just watch the VH1 documnetary on the history of rap. They attest to this point, insiders who knew him.

[QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"][QUOTE="IrishPunk"][QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"]

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.Dub_c6969

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Good music that I LOVE> But the culture was dangerous. Listen to "hit em up"... youtube it. I'd link but its bannable.

But just watch the VH1 documnetary on the history of rap. They attest to this point, insiders who knew him.

Not just his music, but the life****he lived. Most rappers just rap the songs, and thats as far as it goes. 2pac felt he had to live the life he rapped about. He was in a shootout, beat up a crip gang member with his crew, and more we probably don't even know about.

He was basically a hypocrite.

Having said that I do love his music.

[QUOTE="Dub_c6969"][QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"][QUOTE="IrishPunk"][QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"]

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.The_Mac_Daddy

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Good music that I LOVE> But the culture was dangerous. Listen to "hit em up"... youtube it. I'd link but its bannable.

But just watch the VH1 documnetary on the history of rap. They attest to this point, insiders who knew him.

Not just his music, but the life****he lived. Most rappers just rap the songs, and thats as far as it goes. 2pac felt he had to live the life he rapped about. He was in a shootout, beat up a crip gang member with his crew, and more we probably don't even know about.

He was basically a hypocrite.

Having said that I do love his music.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Dub_c6969"][QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"][QUOTE="IrishPunk"][QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"]

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.Dub_c6969

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Good music that I LOVE> But the culture was dangerous. Listen to "hit em up"... youtube it. I'd link but its bannable.

But just watch the VH1 documnetary on the history of rap. They attest to this point, insiders who knew him.

Not just his music, but the life****he lived. Most rappers just rap the songs, and thats as far as it goes. 2pac felt he had to live the life he rapped about. He was in a shootout, beat up a crip gang member with his crew, and more we probably don't even know about.

He was basically a hypocrite.

Having said that I do love his music.

No, no no. You got it backwards. 2pac was just the opposite from most rappers. He tried to live the life he rapped about. He didn't get into ANY trouble until after he got famous. He used to go to baltimore school for the arts, he liked dancing, he took acting ****s, wrote poetry, etc. After he became famous, he started getting in trouble. While writing rap music, he moved to Oakland to "get closer to the game".

2pac attempted to live the life he rapped about, he didn't rap about the life he had been through.

He did not live the life of what he rapped about he rapped about the life he was living, there is a difference in that
Dub_c6969

A fine line to b e g i n with.

If you hear the people around him, to this day. they admit he modeled himself around a thug culture. It was his associates that got him killed.

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[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.The_Mac_Daddy

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

So by logic, all rap singers who sing about gangs deserve to die. Say good bye to most of the influential hip hop of the early 90's.

I really want to believe your posts are sarcastic.

Good music that I LOVE> But the culture was dangerous. Listen to "hit em up"... youtube it. I'd link but its bannable.

But just watch the VH1 documnetary on the history of rap. They attest to this point, insiders who knew him.

Not just his music, but the life****he lived. Most rappers just rap the songs, and thats as far as it goes. 2pac felt he had to live the life he rapped about. He was in a shootout, beat up a crip gang member with his crew, and more we probably don't even know about.

He was basically a hypocrite.

Having said that I do love his music.

No, no no. You got it backwards. 2pac was just the opposite from most rappers. He tried to live the life he rapped about. He didn't get into ANY trouble until after he got famous. He used to go to baltimore school for the arts, he liked dancing, he took acting ****s, wrote poetry, etc. After he became famous, he started getting in trouble. While writing rap music, he moved to Oakland to "get closer to the game".

2pac attempted to live the life he rapped about, he didn't rap about the life he had been through.

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.PrimordialMeme

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

He said himself that he never was a gangsta... he just associated with them or something like that

Wrong.....2pac wasn't even good....:|CIoud_S

I agree 'cause he was the greatest, THE GREATEST rapper of all time.

[QUOTE="CIoud_S"]Wrong.....2pac wasn't even good....:|flowdee79

I agree 'cause he was the greatest, THE GREATEST rapper of all time.

haha agreed

His songs will forever be in the history of Rap music, even himself. Tupac, or if you mind me say Makavelli/Shakur is a great person. Most of the Rappers today are greedy but i am not going to mention who. However, Tupac did a lot of great thing for the society, and for himself. His songs are ment to reflect the black community, how life in the ghetto is and how being a black person is.

Moreover, his songs are about racism, politics, violence, thug life/ghetto life in a good way.So have to say Tupac is the greatest rapper in the world.

I don't believe that he's dead. How can he still release albums if he's dead!!! :PFelix77

its because hhe has recorded so much that stuff is still hidden in a vault. there is new leaks for his trakz all the time iff u look on the right websites. he isnt releasing them its his record company thats relesing them. at least thats what av gatherd over the past 3 years off listing to his music

life goes on

He sexually assulated a women. and was convicted. (He even used "I'm rich I don't have to rape women" defense in a interview. That is the most played out line of those in power who assualt women)

(but lets donw play cause the women he assualted was a black women. No race cards to play here.)

He rapped about racism and yet he seems down with sexism. Of course the culture of today is all about B&*^es and hoes, internet porn, sex on every street corner, and then turning around and complaining about racism.

He jumped a man with a mob of people on the last day he was alive.WHat kinda of POS does that. That is a punk and a coward. Typical gansta coward.

That is modern hero? and people wonder why our society is so violent, obsessed with porn and broken.

He got what was coming to him. He was a wannabe even though he did not come from the suburbs.

Wrong.....2pac wasn't even good....:|CIoud_S

[QUOTE="CIoud_S"]Wrong.....2pac wasn't even good....:|C_BozkurT_C

TC you have no right whatsoever to call a rap legend a fraud and neither does anyone else.C_BozkurT_C

See what I did there?

Every post doesn't need IMO since its obvious its his opinion since its coming from his post.

Am i the only one who thinks that Immortal Technique is better based on content? He actually cares about the issues and hes extremly intelligent, and he's not a hypocrite. Immortal Tech makes Tupac's commentary sound soft.p2rus

It is so boring to listen to after you hear it a few times.

Am i the only one who thinks that Immortal Technique is better based on content? He actually cares about the issues and hes extremly intelligent, and he's not a hypocrite. Immortal Tech makes Tupac's commentary sound soft.p2rus

[QUOTE="p2rus"]Am i the only one who thinks that Immortal Technique is better based on content? He actually cares about the issues and hes extremly intelligent, and he's not a hypocrite. Immortal Tech makes Tupac's commentary sound soft.R0cky_Racc00n

No i disagree about the 911 things he says but a lot of the other stuff he says in harlem streets, leaving the past, etc... i just understand where hes coming from on the imperialistic front / american companies.

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.PrimordialMeme

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

wow if u listened to his music u would know that he was a thug before he became a rapper

listen to the song Until The End of Time

He was pretty young man give him a break, That was the 90s. Things were different.

[QUOTE="IrishPunk"]You don't deserve to die because of lyrics you sing. End of story.PrimordialMeme

He made himself a thug by his own music, I am sorry but its true.

I could've sworn he said he was a thug because he came from the ghetto