So SBR created an official tier list for Brawl...

Discuss.DynamicJumpIuff

This isn't the Smash boards!and to be honest,I find the first slightly one better.

[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"]Discuss.SuperSmashBro1

This isn't the Smash boards!and to be honest,I find the first one better.

I've never even heard of Silverflash or whoever, but SBR's seems pretty accurate, considering all the top players helped make it. Uh, personally though, I think there should be a bottom tier going from Sonic-Captain Falcon. That'll probably be what happens in futures revisions to the list.LOLhahaDEAD

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[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"]Discuss.DynamicJumpIuff

This isn't the Smash boards!and to be honest,I find the first one better.

tiers are for queers

i dont care what anyone says a good smash player will take their character and own who may be concerned

regardless of what dumb list says,

the list says mario is a so called bad pick last time i check im not the greatest but i do own with mario and often enough not just me other people who use these low tier characters totally dismantle those top tier characters,

plain and simple its all about the player and there skills not what their character is ranked by a list,

tiers are for queers

i dont care what anyone says a good smash player will take their character and own who may be concerned

regardless of what dumb list says,

the list says mario is a so called bad pick last time i check im not the greatest but i do own with mario and often enough not just me other people who use these low tier characters totally dismantle those top tier characters,

plain and simple its all about the player and there skills not what their character is ranked by a list,

black_ice23

tiers are for queers

i dont care what anyone says a good smash player will take their character and own who may be concerned

regardless of what dumb list says,

the list says mario is a so called bad pick last time i check im not the greatest but i do own with mario and often enough not just me other people who use these low tier characters totally dismantle those top tier characters,

plain and simple its all about the player and there skills not what their character is ranked by a list,

black_ice23

[QUOTE="black_ice23"]

tiers are for queers

i dont care what anyone says a good smash player will take their character and own who may be concerned

regardless of what dumb list says,

the list says mario is a so called bad pick last time i check im not the greatest but i do own with mario and often enough not just me other people who use these low tier characters totally dismantle those top tier characters,

plain and simple its all about the player and there skills not what their character is ranked by a list,

SuperSmashBro1

[QUOTE="SuperSmashBro1"][QUOTE="black_ice23"]

tiers are for queers

i dont care what anyone says a good smash player will take their character and own who may be concerned

regardless of what dumb list says,

the list says mario is a so called bad pick last time i check im not the greatest but i do own with mario and often enough not just me other people who use these low tier characters totally dismantle those top tier characters,

plain and simple its all about the player and there skills not what their character is ranked by a list,

DynamicJumpIuff

[QUOTE="LOLhahaDEAD"]I've never even heard of Silverflash or whoever, but SBR's seems pretty accurate, considering all the top players helped make it. Uh, personally though, I think there should be a bottom tier going from Sonic-Captain Falcon. That'll probably be what happens in futures revisions to the list.DynamicJumpIuff

I said top players, and top players =/= pro. By top, I meant people who have been placing well in tournaments, and know the game better than most players. And why do you think SF made a better tier list. There's no way a single person, no matter how good he is, could make a more accurate list than several good players who have been discussing every in and out of the game for months.

Also, it is pretty epic, isn't it?

[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"][QUOTE="SuperSmashBro1"][QUOTE="black_ice23"]

tiers are for queers

i dont care what anyone says a good smash player will take their character and own who may be concerned

regardless of what dumb list says,

the list says mario is a so called bad pick last time i check im not the greatest but i do own with mario and often enough not just me other people who use these low tier characters totally dismantle those top tier characters,

plain and simple its all about the player and there skills not what their character is ranked by a list,

SuperSmashBro1

[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"][QUOTE="LOLhahaDEAD"]I've never even heard of Silverflash or whoever, but SBR's seems pretty accurate, considering all the top players helped make it. Uh, personally though, I think there should be a bottom tier going from Sonic-Captain Falcon. That'll probably be what happens in futures revisions to the list.LOLhahaDEAD

I said top players, and top players =/= pro. By top, I meant people who have been placing well in tournaments, and know the game better than most players. And why do you think SF made a better tier list. There's no way a single person, no matter how good he is, could make a more accurate list than several good players who have been discussing every in and out of the game for months.

Also, it is pretty epic, isn't it?

It seems no one can just play the game anymore....-Oath

[QUOTE="LOLhahaDEAD"]

[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"][QUOTE="LOLhahaDEAD"]I've never even heard of Silverflash or whoever, but SBR's seems pretty accurate, considering all the top players helped make it. Uh, personally though, I think there should be a bottom tier going from Sonic-Captain Falcon. That'll probably be what happens in futures revisions to the list.DynamicJumpIuff

I said top players, and top players =/= pro. By top, I meant people who have been placing well in tournaments, and know the game better than most players. And why do you think SF made a better tier list. There's no way a single person, no matter how good he is, could make a more accurate list than several good players who have been discussing every in and out of the game for months.

Also, it is pretty epic, isn't it?

Not necessarily. If I remember correctly, SamuraiPanda was explaining a bit about tiers in an episode of SMYN, and he said something about how characters strengths and weaknesses play into their match-ups with other characters, and if those match-ups are consistent with tournmant results over a long time. I probably didn't explain that very well, butit makes sense to me. :P

Your icon is godly also. Earthbound ftw!

Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.GabuEx

Amen.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.-Oath

Amen.

Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.GabuEx

Right on.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.Mike1978Smith

Right on.

I agree with this completely seriously my top two mains are in the bottom half of the tier list (Ike and Sonic) and I use them because I am really good with both my other mains are Snake because I like MGS Marth because for some reason I am really good with him and Captain Falcon because he is pure awesome.

Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.GabuEx

It's hilarious some of the replies you're getting. "Amen." "Right On."

You do realize that for alot of people, playing to win is fun? I play to win, and my friends play to win, that's our idea of fun. So, there's no reason for you to have a bad taste in your mouth because the way my friends and I play doesn't affect you in anyway.

Plus, if you had even skimmed through the topic creator's first post, you would have realized that there's no need to "refuse" to bother with tier lists.

[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"][QUOTE="LOLhahaDEAD"]

[QUOTE="DynamicJumpIuff"][QUOTE="LOLhahaDEAD"]I've never even heard of Silverflash or whoever, but SBR's seems pretty accurate, considering all the top players helped make it. Uh, personally though, I think there should be a bottom tier going from Sonic-Captain Falcon. That'll probably be what happens in futures revisions to the list.LOLhahaDEAD

I said top players, and top players =/= pro. By top, I meant people who have been placing well in tournaments, and know the game better than most players. And why do you think SF made a better tier list. There's no way a single person, no matter how good he is, could make a more accurate list than several good players who have been discussing every in and out of the game for months.

Also, it is pretty epic, isn't it?

Not necessarily. If I remember correctly, SamuraiPanda was explaining a bit about tiers in an episode of SMYN, and he said something about how characters strengths and weaknesses play into their match-ups with other characters, and if those match-ups are consistent with tournmant results over a long time. I probably didn't explain that very well, butit makes sense to me. :P

Your icon is godly also. Earthbound ftw!

You seriously know nothing about the competitive scene. Either you're joking with this post or you're being idiotic.

Who care. If you want people to take this topic seriously, then post it on the SSBB forums.

Personally, tiers are just an excuse for people who think they are pros to make excuses for non-pros beating them. Just have fun with the d@mn game instead of taking it so seriously. Serious players take the fun away for me personally.

lol I don't think this matters

I personally find ROB to just be the most aweful character EVER, and captain falcon to be pretty good

I follow the "Tiers are for Queers" slogan.

But I am NOT calling anyone a queer for listing or following tiers, I'm just expressing my opposition to tiers.

lol I don't think this matters

I personally find ROB to just be the most aweful character EVER, and captain falcon to be pretty good

monty_4256

My littel bro pwns with R.O.B.

How can Olimar be anywhere but dead last with all the others miles ahead of him, he's a terrible crappy character who's weak and pointless.bobbetybob

Olimar has a good grab and ranged smash attacks, and lots of damage stack up with his Pikmin. He's not weak or crappy or pointless.

Go Dedede!!!

Eh. Tiers. I don't care for them. I also don't follow them.

I play characters I like and can be good with.

I've choosen Pikachu through the the SSB games and I didn't care if he was top or bottom tier. It's just coinsidence that he is high now. But on the other hand I also main Captin Falcon, and he is bottom tie, but I still play well with him.

So IMHO, Tiers = Complete Utter Fail

/end rant

[QUOTE="-Oath"]It seems no one can just play the game anymore....SuperSmashBro1

i agree as well

This topic is hilarious.

Following tier lists is so nerdy. It's gotta be one of the nerdiest things I've ever seen.

No offence to anyone who follows them, but seriously, it's just a game. Whoever plays Smash Bros competitively needs to reevaluate their lives. Why not do something useful for the world? I mean, you're putting hours upon hours each day into a video game...think about how much energy is going to waste.

Also, I found it funny that the TC suggested that Gabu, a moderator, is an idiot. Wow, way to insult the right people! You sure he's the idiot?

You seriously know nothing about the competitive scene. Either you're joking with this post or you're being idiotic.DynamicJumpIuff

Of course I know about the competitive scene. I also know that I would never bother with it. I've tried doing stuff like this before; even in the cases where I was successful, I still felt largely unfulfilled in the end. That's especially the case when the person takes his cues from other people who did the work for him. Pokemon is probably one of the worst offenders in video gaming as far as that goes - so many people just want to be told what the best teams are so they can skip right to the part where they win, not realizing that the journey is the part that really gives a sense of fulfillment.

Nothing in my post is denying the fact that many people are probably going to find tier lists useful. The denial in my post is with regards to the idea that the people who do so are going to be increasing their enjoyment of the game by doing so.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.firefox59

Amen.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.firefox59

Amen.

You seriously know nothing about the competitive scene. Either you're joking with this post or you're being idiotic.

Who care. If you want people to take this topic seriously, then post it on the SSBB forums.

Personally, tiers are just an excuse for people who think they are pros to make excuses for non-pros beating them. Just have fun with the d@mn game instead of taking it so seriously. Serious players take the fun away for me personally.

Jonnyd108

I'm sorry if anyone has said something like this before.

I think the problem with tiers is that everybody wants to try out the new characters, and so many people adopt these new characters as their mains. As a result, less people are playing with the older characters and so those characters don't have their metagames discovered/developed. I know there are a few exceptions to this, but for the most part I see this as true. Its practically all about what character the most people play, not how good the actual character is.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

Following tier lists is so nerdy. It's gotta be one of the nerdiest things I've ever seen.bob_newman

You do know you post on a video game forum, right? I'd say that's pretty nerdy. :P

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

Following tier lists is so nerdy. It's gotta be one of the nerdiest things I've ever seen.LOLhahaDEAD

You do know you post on a video game forum, right? I'd say that's pretty nerdy. :P

Yes, yes. But following a tier list is in a whole different category of nerdiness.

Here is the official "Video Game Nerd" tier list:

TOP:

Collecting every game ever made (In box, in wrapper)

Playing games on a professional, competitive level

Creating emulators/hacks

HIGH:

Modding a video game console

Always buying the "Special Editions" of games

Collecting memorabilia

Getting every achievement

MIDDLE:

Discussing video games on a forum

Reading reviews, watching videos, and viewing screenshots, to assist your purchases

Trying to find deals on eBay, GameStop, etc.

LOW:

Buying only Madden, GTA, Halo, etc.

Thinking only graphics matter

Pretending to have knowledge in the video game world (AKA, "I used to play Mario on the SNES, so I know everything")

LOWEST:

Only playing Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Singstar, Guitar Hero, etc.

Playing games at friend's houses every now and then, but does not own a console themselves

Thinking that the hero in The Legend of Zelda, is Zelda

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So that's it.

Oh, wait, I almost forgot,

HIGHEST:

Creates "Video Game Nerd" tier lists

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Eh, to be honest, stuff like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, much like people who insist on only playing Final Destination with items off. It just feels like it sucks the whole point of the game out of the game and trades fun for an increased chance at victory. I guess you can go for it if that's your thing, but just like I refuse to mathematically optimize my Pokemon teams, I refuse to bother with stuff like character tiers in fighting games.GabuEx