Nintendo owners...why?

Im trying to figure out why so many nintendo owners want so much change from the franchises that have brought nintendo to what it is today, and have continued to be played and enjoyed for years. i keep hearing things like lets change mario, metroid, zelda, etc. and i dont understand why. these franchises have always done great and are the best at what they do, why change them so drastically when you could just expand nintendo's wide library with a new great game? the reason im wondering is because i hear serious opinions like this: "Let's make a mario game with tons of weapons and blood." or "Let's have a futuristic Zelda with beam swords and guns." or even "Let's have a RTS metroid game, or a massive war between federation and space pirates." i mean sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but come on some of this is rediculous. why risk changing a great series when you could start a new one and make everyone happy, both fans of the first series and players that wanted something new?

now dont get me wrong, change is good, but so drastic that the game is hardly recognizable? case and point: Starfox Adventures. some people loved this game but for most faans of the series, it completely portrayed fox and his crew wrong, and it was a letdown. if you wanna make everyone happy, keep starfox strong, and make a new franchise with the futuristic adventure setting. (this post is not all about star fox tho).

anyways, /rant over, just had to say this

Ok, you have a strong topic. Nintendo is a great compony for keeping tradition. Let's take Zelda for example. The game franchise is more than 20 years old and follows the same format: Go to a bunch of dungeons to collect a certain artifact to gain power to destroy an evil lord (ganon, vatti). In the dungeon you usually find an item that will help you progress trough the game to areas you need to go to to get to the next dungeon or to fight the boss with.

That same format was used in virtually every Zelda game. Yes, it's very solid. No one can beat nintendo's way of crafting an adventure game like this. Sure developers try but usually fail, or come really close. Some people are tired of these things in Zelda and want something way way different that bends the franchise into a new genre, so they talk about it and word gets out about some great idea for a new Zelda. Two years later Nintendo make a new Zelda game, and it follows the exact same way to explore and play the game.

So in short, Nintendo doesn't want to radically change a game genre or gaming as a whole again.

It's selfishness and not understanding gaming

That's all it is. No one cares that these are traditions and no one cares that this worked in the past and still work today.

People are too wrapped up in themselves that they think everything a console gets must meet their requirements or it's trash and they want a change.

what im saying is, Zelda isnt Zelda without the old time setting, swords, horses, bows, and older setting. why change that? if you want a new game where you have a futuristic setting thats adventurous and has laser swords or whatever, why not add a new franchise to the library instead of ruining something else?

but its good to see that people still want the originals. i just dont want to see nintendo change their best series' for a silly idea.

(P.S. how is metroid anything like zelda, besides it being an adventure?)

what im saying is, Zelda isnt Zelda without the old time setting, swords, horses, bows, and older setting. why change that? if you want a new game where you have a futuristic setting thats adventurous and has laser swords or whatever, why not add a new franchise to the library instead of ruining something else?

but its good to see that people still want the originals. i just dont want to see nintendo change their best series' for a silly idea.

(P.S. how is metroid anything like zelda, besides it being an adventure?)

riseneclipse

Zelda would be ruined in a futuristic setting it would be pretty much the same game almost so much of the same game there would be little point in doing it.Swords horse bows are now Lightsabers small ships and guns(like a light bow). It would be kinda like Star Ocean. And Metroid and Zelda have similarities. The stories are very different but the game play is similar. Metroids is very close to what a less linear futuristic Zelda would be

It's only natural to want change..it's part of who we are. If it wasn't for change we wouldn't even have a Wii. You can't blame someone for wanting Nintendo to change up their formula even if you do disagree with it. It's pure opinion and everyone will have a different one. It's Nintendo's job to decide how they are going to fulfill their consumers desire for change. It's part of life and business. Who knows maybe a slight change to the zelda formula will create something amazing.Master_Sword91

i agree, thats what im getting at. Nintendo should changes their games, as long as they stay true to what that particular game is. if they change mario kart to a simulation racer, thats a bit too much of a change and its not really mario kart anymore. but if they decide to do something like MKW where they added bikes and tricks, well, thats a good change, it kept the game being fun, and added a new element that kept it the same mario kart that the players love. (for the most part, i wont get into that ;P)

[QUOTE="Master_Sword91"]It's only natural to want change..it's part of who we are. If it wasn't for change we wouldn't even have a Wii. You can't blame someone for wanting Nintendo to change up their formula even if you do disagree with it. It's pure opinion and everyone will have a different one. It's Nintendo's job to decide how they are going to fulfill their consumers desire for change. It's part of life and business. Who knows maybe a slight change to the zelda formula will create something amazing.riseneclipse

i agree, thats what im getting at. Nintendo should changes their games, as long as they stay true to what that particular game is. if they change mario kart to a simulation racer, thats a bit too much of a change and its not really mario kart anymore. but if they decide to do something like MKW where they added bikes and tricks, well, thats a good change, it kept the game being fun, and added a new element that kept it the same mario kart that the players love. (for the most part, i wont get into that ;P)

Now the question for Nintendo is how to alter their franchise's formulas in a way that gives us something new and exciting but that doesn't change it so much that we can't recognize it and lose intrest in it. Hopefully this question will be answered at E3 this year. All we can do is wait and hope for the best

ive never heard ppl say that b4?

Wind Waker had drastic changes but was still an awesome game. It depends on what it is and how it's handled, but i'm open to new ideas. Do you really want to play TP again when the next console Zelda game comes out? I loved Twilight Princess, but i'm even more excited for what Nintendo will has in store for us for the next installment in the franchise. ECG_24

wiis the best console today whoever has a wii and hates it is a idiot go buy a 360bruceylee

who said they hate their wii? i love my wii, but im definetely worried about where its headed. the only thing i can do is hope nintendo continues to do what it has for all these years. i guess we'll just have to see what nintendo decides to do for E3

wiis the best console today whoever has a wii and hates it is a idiot go buy a 360bruceylee

Just wondering but do you know that your avatar is from Gears of War which is a Xbox 360 game...

It's selfishness and not understanding gaming

That's all it is. No one cares that these are traditions and no one cares that this worked in the past and still work today.

People are too wrapped up in themselves that they think everything a console gets must meet their requirements or it's trash and they want a change.

Jaysonguy

Or they are just tired of playing the same game over and over again.

[QUOTE="ECG_24"]Wind Waker had drastic changes but was still an awesome game. It depends on what it is and how it's handled, but i'm open to new ideas. Do you really want to play TP again when the next console Zelda game comes out? I loved Twilight Princess, but i'm even more excited for what Nintendo will has in store for us for the next installment in the franchise. kelseyxo

Wind Waker is the perfect example of how to change a game but still keep it similar enough that long time fans will still like it. Like you said, all the classic Zelda elements are there. But they are presented in a way that had never been seen before. And the ocean part of the game was completely new to the series but it wasn't the whole game. The Zelda gameplay of going from location to location by travelling was still there. So basically what I'm trying to say here is that enough of the old elements that have made a series succesful need to be there but they don't always have to be the exact same. To use Zelda again as an example, one of the complaints people have it that the formula is always enter temple, find item, use item, defeat boss, repeat. I say to keep the game a Zelda game, dont change the formula, just change the parts of the formula. Have totally new items, maybe throw in a temple that isn't themed after some element, and perhaps a boss fight where you use more than just the item you found in the temple.

Im trying to figure out why so many nintendo owners want so much change from the franchises that have brought nintendo to what it is today, and have continued to be played and enjoyed for years. i keep hearing things like lets change mario, metroid, zelda, etc. and i dont understand why. these franchises have always done great and are the best at what they do, why change them so drastically when you could just expand nintendo's wide library with a new great game? the reason im wondering is because i hear serious opinions like this: "Let's make a mario game with tons of weapons and blood." or "Let's have a futuristic Zelda with beam swords and guns." or even "Let's have a RTS metroid game, or a massive war between federation and space pirates." i mean sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but come on some of this is rediculous. why risk changing a great series when you could start a new one and make everyone happy, both fans of the first series and players that wanted something new?

now dont get me wrong, change is good, but so drastic that the game is hardly recognizable? case and point: Starfox Adventures. some people loved this game but for most faans of the series, it completely portrayed fox and his crew wrong, and it was a letdown. if you wanna make everyone happy, keep starfox strong, and make a new franchise with the futuristic adventure setting. (this post is not all about star fox tho).

anyways, /rant over, just had to say this

riseneclipse

Twilight Princess - Essentially a terrible remake of OoT. This game has a ton of flaws and is vastly overrated. Porting it to wii dumbed it down and made it worse. The game is too big, too easy, has linear design, is 90% OoT just mushed together in a disorganized way, etc. Case in point, stale.

Mario Galaxy - Yeah it's definitely a lot of fun, and a vast improvement over terrible Sunshine, but again linear and predictable level design. The Wii remote really didn't save the game (Yeah! Let's wiggle the remote for EVERYTHING!) but the classic mario design - platforming and whatnot - saved it.

Mario Kart Wii - I loved it, but it is more of the same.

Brawl - Again, amazing game, but didn't have NEARLY as much replay value as Melee did, since it's just a souped-up Melee. Sure, there are a few extras, but nothing you couldn't not expect.

NSMB - Easy and took 95% of its ideas from Mario World and Mario 3. Shorter than both games, and the bosses were terrible. The game made it impossible to get a game over with the abundance of 1-ups.

So, while I do like keeping the franchises how they are, the newest iterations can't compete with the older games, like Zelda: A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, Super Metroid, Mario 64, Mario Bros. 3, Melee....and the sad thing is the new stuff being added actually seems to be hurting the game (Dumbing down and wiimote in Twilight Princess, The lack of substantial new stuff in Brawl after 6 years, The attempt at more bosses and increased easiness in Mario, etc.)

So either, a complete revamp (Zelda needs it) or just go back to the classic feel - with increased difficulty as a key point. I'm sick of these ridiculously easy games!

[QUOTE="riseneclipse"]

[QUOTE="Master_Sword91"]It's only natural to want change..it's part of who we are. If it wasn't for change we wouldn't even have a Wii. You can't blame someone for wanting Nintendo to change up their formula even if you do disagree with it. It's pure opinion and everyone will have a different one. It's Nintendo's job to decide how they are going to fulfill their consumers desire for change. It's part of life and business. Who knows maybe a slight change to the zelda formula will create something amazing.Master_Sword91

i agree, thats what im getting at. Nintendo should changes their games, as long as they stay true to what that particular game is. if they change mario kart to a simulation racer, thats a bit too much of a change and its not really mario kart anymore. but if they decide to do something like MKW where they added bikes and tricks, well, thats a good change, it kept the game being fun, and added a new element that kept it the same mario kart that the players love. (for the most part, i wont get into that ;P)

Now the question for Nintendo is how to alter their franchise's formulas in a way that gives us something new and exciting but that doesn't change it so much that we can't recognize it and lose intrest in it. Hopefully this question will be answered at E3 this year. All we can do is wait and hope for the best

Just go to the thread "The Next Zelda will be a ten if..." That may give you some ideas...