New subspace ideas for the new smash bros game?

I dont get it...

No more puzzle levels.

/thread

Well, in my opnion, first of all, Nintendo will have to add the likes of Dark Samus, K.K. Slider, Midna (both Imp form & Twilight Princess from), Bowser Jr., Tetra, Rosalina, Ridley, & *puts up flame shield* Sora, Cloud, Tifa, & Sephiroth (That is just my opnion. I really would've liked to see them in this game. If you don't like it, I'm sorry. If you do, great) One of my ideas is that they could use more character based villians instead of just Goombas and Koopa Troopas. They could've added minions like Shadow Beast (from Twilight Princess), space pirates, Metroids, Bulblins, some Kirby enemies, like Waddle Doos & Bonkers, maybe the Ing from Prime 2. About talking in cutscenes, I don't think Nintendo can pull it off without making the characters look weird. More that half on Nintendo's mascots don't speak. Subtitles for everyone except Link, maybe? More game related bosses as well. They could've added Zant, Nightmare (from the Kirby series) Whispy Woods (you fight him the same way you do in Kirby's Adventure), a fight aganist Metal Gear RAY would be cool. If they had Kingdom Hearts bosses, maybe the Twilight Thorn (that big Nobody you fought at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts II), Andross, & finally, the Bulblin King (It could work!) Story plots: Dark Samus, Ridley, Bowser Jr., and Sephiroth are allied with the Master Hand. Midna is being held prisoner when the Island of the Ancients is about to explode, but she is freed by Team Falcon (Captain Falcon, Samus, Olimar, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Pikachu, & R.O.B.). Tetra appears on the sea right before the good guys are about to enter the world of Subspace, the reason Kirby leaves Peach/Zelda is because he saw a bright light, that bright light turned out to be Tifa being turned into a trophy by some unknown person (this also leads to Tifa joining Team Mario), K.K. Slider is walking around the desert when Ike, Marth, & Meta Knight are in pursuit of Galleom (and joins their party), Twilight Princess Midna comes into play while King Dedede, Luigi, and Ness are in Subspace and they come across Imp Midna's trophy, but Shadow Bugs consume it and make a Dark Midna. After defeating it and restoring life to the trophy, Midna emerges as Twilight Princess Midna. Last idea: It's just Sonic & Cloud who first fight Tabuu, but after defeat, they fly (as trophies) to the entrance of Tabuu's chamber. Right before all the heroes enter, they see the trophies flying and they all run to them (the villains are good guys at this point). Mario revives Sonic, Tifa revives Cloud. Could & Sephiroth meet, a quick battle begins, but is soon stopped by Link & Ike. Tifa points toward Tabuu's chambers (signifing (?) that's where the true villain is), Cloud & Sephiroth nod to show that they are on the same side.

Sorry for Great Wall o' Text, I couldn't help it. If anyone wants to add to this, feel free.

^ die

anyway just remove subspace and make multiplayer better.

time would of been better used making a better multiplayer.

No more Subspace at all

That was without question the worst Nintendo made platformer in the company's history.

I was dull, repetitive, and agonizingly slow to play through. It felt more like a punishment for completionists rather then an extra.

It lowered the quality of the entire game.

It was boring.

...and the story was terrible. It felt like some distorted fanfic told by a drunk 10 year old.

i agree that it was boring and that butterfly boss guy (idk what to call him..lol) is random and so is the storyline

the ending sucked too. seriously there was like 3 bad guys and a billion good guys xD (not counting those weird blob guys).

Well, in my opnion, first of all, Nintendo will have to add the likes of Dark Samus, K.K. Slider, Midna (both Imp form & Twilight Princess from), Bowser Jr., Tetra, Rosalina, Ridley, & *puts up flame shield* Sora, Cloud, Tifa, & Sephiroth (That is just my opnion. I really would've liked to see them in this game. If you don't like it, I'm sorry. If you do, great) One of my ideas is that they could use more character based villians instead of just Goombas and Koopa Troopas. They could've added minions like Shadow Beast (from Twilight Princess), space pirates, Metroids, Bulblins, some Kirby enemies, like Waddle Doos & Bonkers, maybe the Ing from Prime 2.

Darth_Nater307

Beating up space pirates, and Shadow Beats (from TP) in Subspace would be freaking awesome. And the rest of your post was awesome to.

^ die

anyway just remove subspace and make multiplayer better.

time would of been better used making a better multiplayer.

MrUn1t

Yikes. Everyone really seems to really dislike SSE. I thought it was a lot of fun. I'm repeating it for fun, too.

Yikes. Everyone really seems to really dislike SSE. I thought it was a lot of fun. I'm repeating it for fun, too.

Dark_Link142

Me too

[QUOTE="MrUn1t"]

^ die

anyway just remove subspace and make multiplayer better.

time would of been better used making a better multiplayer.

firefox59

Not really, because me pointing out the obvious would have been a waste of a post.

I literally meant 100% of what I said, time spent making the multiplayer better instead of have a POS single player mode would of made perfect sense.

FRIEND CODEZ TRADING ANYONE? YAY

I just can't understand how Nintendo could of failed so bad at the multiplayer aspect. I mean I was playing 16 player multiplayer matches online on my PC FIFTEEN YEARS ago.

This generation sucks.

seriously guys. I have great ideas. Master hand is the ruler of the smash world he conducts tournaments that brings people from various worlds to battle in the smash dome. All the worlds are linked together but the only way to access them is via portal. But master hand is the only one with a portal device so no one can portal jump for bad purposes. Crazy hand steals the device one day, though, and uses it to gather bad guys from different worlds(bowser, ganondorf, wolf, dark samus). The recruits bring super powerful devices from their worlds like the giant power star, the triforce, aether energy in Prime2, etc. Master hand is defeated by the battle drones in the the smash dome.

Oh yeah, separate worlds play out their own stories with their own enemies until crazy hand uses the portal to jump to that world. Ex. Bowser comes along to attack mario as usual but then mario notices that he's wearing gloves.( Crazy hand went to hyrule to meet with ganondorf to get the golden gauntlets to give to bowser to pull out the giant power star out of peach's castle). Crazy hand keeps mario busy while bowser gets the star. Crazy hand activates the portal and bowser and him hightail it to the smash world. But just as the portal's closing, Toad rushes in from nowhere to catch them as they escape. Unfortunately Toad gets flicked back through the portal right when it closes at the mushroom kingdom and the smash universe. So toad gets stuck in the world between dimensions. And crazy hand isn't used to the portal controls and accidentally goes to Earthbound. He reactivates the portal but not before Ness sees. Ness tracks their signature and uses PK teleport to get to the smash world. I'll update this more later and btw Tabuu Does Not exist! Or any of those other fake-me-out bosses or enemies. And people like pikachu and kirby won't talk at all but crazy hand and master hand have words appear out of the tip of their finger. And mewtwo and lucario speak with their minds(literally!)

Subspace was horrible, not because of the story, but because it was just tedious. The first little while was fine, after a while though it started to feel really tedious and I just gave up on it all together. I haven't even bothered to finish it, I'm still at that part where you have to manually naviagte through that forsaken maze like place so you can fight the "infected" versions of all the characters.

They really need to change something up, maybe a mix of strategy and smash bros. Move players around a map a la Fire Emblem, engage in battle, capture enemy base, advance story etc. Even something like Chess Mode from Mortal Kombat would be much better than Sub Space. You assign chess ranks to characters from the roster, then when two pieces come in contact you battle it out for supremacy.

I gots idea!!!


how about not having one?Nintendevil

Amen, if you take that out then Smash Bros gets a higher score

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]I gots idea!!!


how about not having one?Jaysonguy

Amen, if you take that out then Smash Bros gets a higher score

That's just silly. If you don't like SSE, don't play it. It can't lower a score of a game just for being there. I, personally, thought it was pretty fun to play through and my brother seems to like it even more.

Some people like it, some don't. You don't have to take it away from the game for that cause.

I understand if you dislike it becuse you think the other parts of the game would've been more polished if they didn't bother with the SSE mode, but if that isn't the case, I stay troubled by your comment.

Well, in my opnion, first of all, Nintendo will have to add the likes of Dark Samus, K.K. Slider, Midna (both Imp form & Twilight Princess from), Bowser Jr., Tetra, Rosalina, Ridley, & *puts up flame shield* Sora, Cloud, Tifa, & Sephiroth (That is just my opnion. I really would've liked to see them in this game. If you don't like it, I'm sorry. If you do, great) One of my ideas is that they could use more character based villians instead of just Goombas and Koopa Troopas. They could've added minions like Shadow Beast (from Twilight Princess), space pirates, Metroids, Bulblins, some Kirby enemies, like Waddle Doos & Bonkers, maybe the Ing from Prime 2. About talking in cutscenes, I don't think Nintendo can pull it off without making the characters look weird. More that half on Nintendo's mascots don't speak. Subtitles for everyone except Link, maybe? More game related bosses as well. They could've added Zant, Nightmare (from the Kirby series) Whispy Woods (you fight him the same way you do in Kirby's Adventure), a fight aganist Metal Gear RAY would be cool. If they had Kingdom Hearts bosses, maybe the Twilight Thorn (that big Nobody you fought at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts II), Andross, & finally, the Bulblin King (It could work!) Story plots: Dark Samus, Ridley, Bowser Jr., and Sephiroth are allied with the Master Hand. Midna is being held prisoner when the Island of the Ancients is about to explode, but she is freed by Team Falcon (Captain Falcon, Samus, Olimar, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Pikachu, & R.O.B.). Tetra appears on the sea right before the good guys are about to enter the world of Subspace, the reason Kirby leaves Peach/Zelda is because he saw a bright light, that bright light turned out to be Tifa being turned into a trophy by some unknown person (this also leads to Tifa joining Team Mario), K.K. Slider is walking around the desert when Ike, Marth, & Meta Knight are in pursuit of Galleom (and joins their party), Twilight Princess Midna comes into play while King Dedede, Luigi, and Ness are in Subspace and they come across Imp Midna's trophy, but Shadow Bugs consume it and make a Dark Midna. After defeating it and restoring life to the trophy, Midna emerges as Twilight Princess Midna. Last idea: It's just Sonic & Cloud who first fight Tabuu, but after defeat, they fly (as trophies) to the entrance of Tabuu's chamber. Right before all the heroes enter, they see the trophies flying and they all run to them (the villains are good guys at this point). Mario revives Sonic, Tifa revives Cloud. Could & Sephiroth meet, a quick battle begins, but is soon stopped by Link & Ike. Tifa points toward Tabuu's chambers (signifing (?) that's where the true villain is), Cloud & Sephiroth nod to show that they are on the same side.

Sorry for Great Wall o' Text, I couldn't help it. If anyone wants to add to this, feel free.

Darth_Nater307

Not really, because me pointing out the obvious would have been a waste of a post.

I literally meant 100% of what I said, time spent making the multiplayer better instead of have a POS single player mode would of made perfect sense.

FRIEND CODEZ TRADING ANYONE? YAY

I just can't understand how Nintendo could of failed so bad at the multiplayer aspect. I mean I was playing 16 player multiplayer matches online on my PC FIFTEEN YEARS ago.

This generation sucks.

MrUn1t

Multiplayer and online are not synonyms. A game can have great multiplayer options and no online at all. Smash Bros is the ultimate multiplayer game, but you need friends... Real friends.

The subspace would've been better if each character had it's own story and world and it got mixed with other stories and then every world teams together to stop crazy hand(we'll make him way harder than in melee or original). Not that he wasn't hard, we're just going to make him harder:D.

Wow, even I'm not so sure of my idea anymore(the whole general new subspace idea)... It has been a year and opinions change. But there is that thing called Project Sora that Nintendo and Sora Ltd. are doing together so maybe some Smash talk will come out of that.

The fundamental thing that could have made Subspace a lot better: better use of the Nintendo franchises. Most of the characters ended up not being that integral to the plot overall and the enemy selection is a joke. You have a whole history of monsters across loads of different franchises and you choose from and you go with generic original monsters with bad puns for names. It's like you could substitute original characters for the Nintendo characters and the story would still play out similarly, just like your average licensed game. It's a real disappointment considering how much mythology is behind Nintendo games that the plot turned out so generic. As for the gameplay, once again, there's a variety of gameplay potential utilizing the Nintendo franchises, and you rigidly stick to platforming resembling a wannabe Kirby game. Many Nintendo games tend to be praised for having a variety of gameplay styles present, and yet here it's the same platforming over and over again. I'd say that this mode really suffered from being primarily Sakurai working on a project that should have had a Nintendo "dream team" behind it.

OK, I don't think that the storyline has to make much sense since, y'know, it involves, Link, Pit, Mario, Sonic, Snake, etc all fighting to save, y'know, the world from something.... :P

But here's what I think it should be and this probably isn't the right way to go about it, but it would kinda cool in my opinion.

So, you have Mario out to save the Princess, it's like your typically Mario adventure at first, and he never realizes that he was being baited the whole time.

We repeat this for a few other characters, probably Link and Samus, and everyone will get transported to this world. The other Nintendo characters are ALL under control of that original Subspace thingy that made them so evil, but now it's far more potent than before, actually causing the world around them to decay. It's your job to rally as many of these fighters together as you can and return back to each character's individual world: Onett, Mushroom Kingdom, Hyrule, etc, and turn those lands back to normal.

From there we'll have a similar united offensive like in the original Subspace where everyone will enter the evil dimension to stand united. Except every single character or group of characters will have to fight the main villain/villains of their own world, recruit them if they are like Ganondorf or Bowser, kill them off if they are, say, Kraid, Ridley, Mother Brain (yes, they are all in together in my imaginary version of Smash Bros!). The bosses won't be these silly things that we have no clue what they are but established villains in the greater order of Nintendo lore.

The final showdown will arrive with Master Hand, but after you defeat him halfway Crazy Hand will jump in. Once you kill them both they'll sacrifice themselves to resurrect Taboo since (SPOILER!) they were also under the control of some evil Subspace thingy.... You will face off against Taboo, fighting him, but after you defeat him you'll learn that he was merely the child of the birthmother (or something....) and she will descend. Tingle will jump to the rescue and she will kill him giving him a hero's death and forever eliminating him for the Zelda games (THIS WILL BE A REALITY, TINGLE MUST DIE!). You will fight against her as dimension collapses onto itself and everyone rushes out.

I totally just made that up as I went, actually.... >_>

It would be cool if they changed it to a RPG.sman3579

Actually... that would be really cool. :P

Wow, even I'm not so sure of my idea anymore(the whole general new subspace idea)... It has been a year and opinions change. But there is that thing called Project Sora that Nintendo and Sora Ltd. are doing together so maybe some Smash talk will come out of that.

spacepirate555

[QUOTE="spacepirate555"]

Wow, even I'm not so sure of my idea anymore(the whole general new subspace idea)... It has been a year and opinions change. But there is that thing called Project Sora that Nintendo and Sora Ltd. are doing together so maybe some Smash talk will come out of that.

Arc2012

Hmmm.., well to decrease the lameness at least, all enemies but primids should be replaced by nintendo enemies and the bosses could be nintendo based too with the exception of the hands and taboo. For tediousness, some of the places where you would go through long, repetitive areas could be changed and of course, no great maze.

As for boring if you could actually expore real nintendo historically places, then it would probably seem more exciting and actually make someone towant tokeep playing and not want to stick their wiimote/controller in theireyes(once again, i'm looking at you great maze)

and btw, what's a zombie thread? i looked for it everywhere on the internet

i liked SSE at first, but when i was done i was kinda sad cuz the characters were way too easy to unlock. like in the old SSBs, there was no quick way to get the people. so it was always exciting to see the new character alert appear. i can remember the way my heart raced. and then its like a on chance epic battle. win or lose it all. that element died when SSE was brought in. you couldnt go like "OMGz i Unlocked Marth and Toon link and Wolf!" cuz u could just go and beat hte easy old SSEand get them.

i liked SSE at first, but when i was done i was kinda sad cuz the characters were way too easy to unlock. like in the old SSBs, there was no quick way to get the people. so it was always exciting to see the new character alert appear. i can remember the way my heart raced. and then its like a on chance epic battle. win or lose it all. that element died when SSE was brought in. you couldnt go like "OMGz i Unlocked Marth and Toon link and Wolf!" cuz u could just go and beat hte easy old SSEand get them.

Noskillkill

Actually, the easy way is to set up a custom brawl with HP and flower. Your character can have any normal amount of HP and the CPU must have 1 HP. You will win each match instantly after one second. You just have to play 450 matches this way and you'll have unlocked every character. The whole process takes a couple of hours. It's not fun and it's a chore, but it's much faster than beating the Subspace thing. Then, you can unlock most stages by playing a certain amounts of brawls with certain characters and the last few stages are unlocked after winning certain event matches.