Complains on Meta Knight and Snake in Super Smash Bros.

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#1 Bangaaslayer
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I love SSBB. I go to tournaments regularly. 50% of the people who go use either Meta Knight or Snake. Those two characters are broken in this game. The majority of the time, (and when I say majority I'm referring to at least 80% the time) the winners of the tournament are either Snake or Meta Knight players. Ugh, it just sounds like I'm complaining but I just wanted to get my opinion out.

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#2 DJ-Lafleur
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Well, I don't use either one of them. :P
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#3 Thiago26792
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They are top tiers. What else need to be said? The same happened with Melee: Most of the people used Fox and Falco.
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#4 Sonick54
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meta knight with hitstun=broken

meta knight is not broken but he's close sort of >_>

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#5 Sonick54
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meta knight with hitstun=broken

meta knight is not broken but he's close sort of >_>

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#6 WR_Platinum
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And I'm here thinkin that the majority of people that I have seen playin in Brawl, would be Ike.
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#7 thug9cole
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thats good to hear i so wanta kick ass with solid snake once i get my funds right i spent 2 much money on mgs4 special edition and the special edition strat guide =( hehe
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#8 PresidentAktive
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i wanna play ppl online hit me with your wii number and LETS BATTLE
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#9 Lto_thaG
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I'm always using Snake :|
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#10 gronk-bonk
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u shouldnt get discourage, they are not unbeatable. I dont use any of those two and i win regularly online with a ratio of 80% but again online is totally different from tournaments. to bad i cant play anymore :cry:
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#11 tolliver_leon
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players who are experienced and skilled can use snake very effectively

i thought he sucked at first, but I was proved wrong.

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#12 teh-pwns-the
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First important thing is that we are gonna have to all get over the fact that MK and snake are top tier, personally my main has a quite a few tricks against snake that makes him pretty rapable, however MK is beastly no matter which character you choose to try to play against him as, still there are things you can do, go tosmashboards
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#13 child_of_lileth
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im so used to people sayin snake is useless. lol. anyway, there was alot of broken characters in brawl, but metal knight is only hard to beat if the person spams with him way too much. and snake is slow so with attacks most of the time so as long as ya dont let his explosives hit ya he cant do much if you move around him
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#14 sman3579
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I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.
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#15 TwilightSoilder
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I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.sman3579
I always thought it was his lightning fast attacks that were his best trait. :| Anyways, the reason people mostly play as Metaknight and Snake is because they are considered the best characters, and given the people are playing to win in tournaments they want to have odds in there favor.
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#16 ZumaJones07
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If you get good with Donkey Kong you could potentially pwn Snakes and Metas. Truth. That's why he's my secondary main. :D King Dedede and ROB are good counters for Snake too. ...and yea, Metaknight is too good. I guess Sakurai didn't want his favorite character lower than number one :P
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[QUOTE="sman3579"]I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.TwilightSoilder
I always thought it was his lightning fast attacks that were his best trait. :| Anyways, the reason people mostly play as Metaknight and Snake is because they are considered the best characters, and given the people are playing to win in tournaments they want to have odds in there favor.

I wont really call them the best. In my opinion there are no good and bad characters and there never will be until one character is hated by everyone or is loved by everyone which will never happen.

I still think his recovery is his best trait but I wouldnt know because I only played with him about 10 times, mabye even less.

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#18 goblaa
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I'm new to smash and have been playing metaknight cause hes cool. But I haven't found him to be very good. He's got a pretty hard to use smash. What's so good about him? Why is he unfair? I haven't noticed it yet. Then again, I'm a smash noob.
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Why doesn't Ike ever get any love:(???
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[QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="sman3579"]I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.sman3579

I always thought it was his lightning fast attacks that were his best trait. :| Anyways, the reason people mostly play as Metaknight and Snake is because they are considered the best characters, and given the people are playing to win in tournaments they want to have odds in there favor.

I wont really call them the best. In my opinion there are no good and bad characters and there never will be until one character is hated by everyone or is loved by everyone which will never happen.

I still think his recovery is his best trait but I wouldnt know because I only played with him about 10 times, mabye even less.

That is the exact opposite logic for most tournament players, just saying.
Why doesn't Ike ever get any love:(???GamerBoy53
Because tournament players usually follow tiers and the tiers hate Ike. :P
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#21 KingBowser91
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Meta Knight is my main.

I always win the tourneys with him:)

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#22 AdRock92
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I don't play in tourneys, but I main Snake. I think the reason that Sakurai made Snake so beastly is that he can easily blow himself up. People who are really good with Snake (like tourney players and myself) know how to avoid his own explosions, and therefore reap the benefits of his moves without gaining extra damage from them. Snake controls different from any other character though, so he's hard to get used to. Once you realize that his tilts are amazing and that you should use his smashes sparingly (because they're so slow), you can own with him. As for Metaknight, he's just good overall. The only disadvantage of him that I can think of is that all of his specials leave him helpless.
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#23 TwilightSoilder
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I don't play in tourneys, but I main Snake. I think the reason that Sakurai made Snake so beastly is that he can easily blow himself up. People who are really good with Snake (like tourney players and myself) know how to avoid his own explosions, and therefore reap the benefits of his moves without gaining extra damage from them. Snake controls different from any other character though, so he's hard to get used to. Once you realize that his tilts are amazing and that you should use his smashes sparingly (because they're so slow), you can own with him. As for Metaknight, he's just good overall. The only disadvantage of him that I can think of is that all of his specials leave him helpless.AdRock92
Also, he is a bit of a light weight, I believe he is the 5th lightest character in Brawl.
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#24 -Oath
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Ive yet to fight one great MK user, cant say the same for Snake, Ive played many beast Snake user. Usually no match for my Ike or Lucas though.
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#25 bc1391
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I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.
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#26 BrunoBRS
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simple maths:

if the majority of players on a tourney choose those characters, isnt it obvious that the chance of the winner is a user being bigger?

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#27 movin_target
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Would I get laughed at if I used C. Falcon at a tourny? :P
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#28 XDXDXDXDXDXDXD
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I use Meta Knight. No complaints for me.
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#29 TwilightSoilder
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Ive yet to fight one great MK user, cant say the same for Snake, Ive played many beast Snake user. Usually no match for my Ike or Lucas though.-Oath
Is that a challenge? :twisted:
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#30 AdRock92
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I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.bc1391

Yeah, metaknight and snake are no problem for me, but I probably have the most trouble against Luigi. I play against level 9 computers, so maybe it's different for humans, but Luigi's comboing through perfect shielding, grabbing, and aerials is just devastating if you get caught in it.

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[QUOTE="sman3579"]

[QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="sman3579"]I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.TwilightSoilder

I always thought it was his lightning fast attacks that were his best trait. :| Anyways, the reason people mostly play as Metaknight and Snake is because they are considered the best characters, and given the people are playing to win in tournaments they want to have odds in there favor.

I wont really call them the best. In my opinion there are no good and bad characters and there never will be until one character is hated by everyone or is loved by everyone which will never happen.

I still think his recovery is his best trait but I wouldnt know because I only played with him about 10 times, mabye even less.

That is the exact opposite logic for most tournament players, just saying.
Why doesn't Ike ever get any love:(???GamerBoy53
Because tournament players usually follow tiers and the tiers hate Ike. :P

I see.
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#32 sman3579
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I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.bc1391
Mr. G & W is my favorite and best character, I think a expert Game & Watch player could be a expert Snake and Meta Knight player. The only bad thing about Mr. G & W is hes the lightest character in the game.
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#33 AsadMahdi59
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imo ike is the cheapest but i dont play in tourneys or against strangers online.
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#34 Sword-Demon
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MK has been my main since the day i got ssbb. i never go by tiers and i hate people who do
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#35 TwilightSoilder
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[QUOTE="bc1391"]I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.sman3579
Mr. G & W is my favorite and best character, I think a expert Game & Watch player could be a expert Snake and Meta Knight player. The only bad thing about Mr. G & W is hes the lightest character in the game.

For the record, I believe Jigglypuff is the lightest, G&W is the second lightest. Also, I agree, G&W could definitely take on a Snake or Metaknight player. It depends on skill who will win though.
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#36 sman3579
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[QUOTE="sman3579"][QUOTE="bc1391"]I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.TwilightSoilder
Mr. G & W is my favorite and best character, I think a expert Game & Watch player could be a expert Snake and Meta Knight player. The only bad thing about Mr. G & W is hes the lightest character in the game.

For the record, I believe Jigglypuff is the lightest, G&W is the second lightest. Also, I agree, G&W could definitely take on a Snake or Metaknight player. It depends on skill who will win though.

I never knew pixls (or whatever G & W is made of) would be heavier then a creature (even though it is the Ballon Pokemon). Whats wrong with Nintendo. I am pretty sure G & W is the lightest because I was KO with him as low as 55 points damage.
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#37 TwilightSoilder
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[QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="sman3579"][QUOTE="bc1391"]I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.sman3579
Mr. G & W is my favorite and best character, I think a expert Game & Watch player could be a expert Snake and Meta Knight player. The only bad thing about Mr. G & W is hes the lightest character in the game.

For the record, I believe Jigglypuff is the lightest, G&W is the second lightest. Also, I agree, G&W could definitely take on a Snake or Metaknight player. It depends on skill who will win though.

I never knew pixls (or whatever G & W is made of) would be heavier then a creature (even though it is the Ballon Pokemon). Whats wrong with Nintendo. I am pretty sure G & W is the lightest because I was KO with him as low as 55 points damage.

I got my information at Smashboards here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162546
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#38 sman3579
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[QUOTE="sman3579"][QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="sman3579"][QUOTE="bc1391"]I personally have more of a problem with G&W and Peach than I do Snake and MK.TwilightSoilder
Mr. G & W is my favorite and best character, I think a expert Game & Watch player could be a expert Snake and Meta Knight player. The only bad thing about Mr. G & W is hes the lightest character in the game.

For the record, I believe Jigglypuff is the lightest, G&W is the second lightest. Also, I agree, G&W could definitely take on a Snake or Metaknight player. It depends on skill who will win though.

I never knew pixls (or whatever G & W is made of) would be heavier then a creature (even though it is the Ballon Pokemon). Whats wrong with Nintendo. I am pretty sure G & W is the lightest because I was KO with him as low as 55 points damage.

I got my information at Smashboards here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162546

Like I said before, whats wrong with Nintendo!
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#39 Chojuto
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Good thing I use Link. He's not over popular I don't think.
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#40 -Oath
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]Ive yet to fight one great MK user, cant say the same for Snake, Ive played many beast Snake user. Usually no match for my Ike or Lucas though.TwilightSoilder
Is that a challenge? :twisted:

Yes!! But keep the challenge in mind, my Wii is out of commission for the moment.

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#41 alexh_99
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[QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="sman3579"]I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.sman3579

I always thought it was his lightning fast attacks that were his best trait. :| Anyways, the reason people mostly play as Metaknight and Snake is because they are considered the best characters, and given the people are playing to win in tournaments they want to have odds in there favor.

I wont really call them the best. In my opinion there are no good and bad characters and there never will be until one character is hated by everyone or is loved by everyone which will never happen.

I still think his recovery is his best trait but I wouldnt know because I only played with him about 10 times, mabye even less.

*cough*PICHU*cough*

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#42 TwilightSoilder
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[QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="-Oath"]Ive yet to fight one great MK user, cant say the same for Snake, Ive played many beast Snake user. Usually no match for my Ike or Lucas though.-Oath

Is that a challenge? :twisted:

Yes!! But keep the challenge in mind, my Wii is out of commission for the moment.

Bummer :( but don't worry, I'll remember. ;)
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#43 sman3579
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[QUOTE="sman3579"]

[QUOTE="TwilightSoilder"][QUOTE="sman3579"]I dont really like Meta Knight, the best thing about him is he has one of the best recovery options in the game.alexh_99

I always thought it was his lightning fast attacks that were his best trait. :| Anyways, the reason people mostly play as Metaknight and Snake is because they are considered the best characters, and given the people are playing to win in tournaments they want to have odds in there favor.

I wont really call them the best. In my opinion there are no good and bad characters and there never will be until one character is hated by everyone or is loved by everyone which will never happen.

I still think his recovery is his best trait but I wouldnt know because I only played with him about 10 times, mabye even less.

*cough*PICHU*cough*

Some people liked Pichu, but 95% hated him. :P

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#44 Bangaaslayer
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Well regardless. in this thread I emphasized Snake more than MK. Its all about a ton of side tilts followed by an up tilt.

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#45 Bangaaslayer
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Well regardless. in this thread I emphasized Snake more than MK. Its all about a ton of side tilts followed by an up tilt.

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#46 miniduck
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Snake is beatable when you're used to fighting him (though he is tough, for sure). Against Metaknight, you really just have to be able to predict what your opponent is going to do, get used to fighting top metaknights, and don't leave yourself open. But he IS the best character in the game, so there's no guaranteed metaknight-killer plan. So basically just get used to fighting people that are skilled with those 2 characters and look for patterns and tendencies in their movements.

And whoever said Ike was cheap... -_-

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#47 PK-er1111
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I'd say that i've seen more Ikes in tournaments (or in casual play) than anyone else. I hardly ever snee Snakes.
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#48 Bangaaslayer
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You can completely get yourself used to a Snake player. It isn't impossible. But it's really tough especially since there are so many Snake players.
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#49 Pesantez
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Thank god i use Link , DK and Mario. Link is a good king deded counter while DK is a good mk and snake counter. Nothing is for certian tho.