Which console is better? Super Nintendo or PlayStation 2?

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#1 Posted by GSJones1994 (362 posts) -

The Super Nintendo and the PlayStation 2 may just be the 2 greatest game consoles of all time with not only the largest and best game libraries out there, but these consoles more than likely have the best 3rd-party libraries of all time. Which one of these do you think is the better console? Please let me know. Thanks! :)

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#2 Posted by Renegade_Fury (19904 posts) -

Neither are the best, but the SNES actually has games I like to play. PS2? Not so much.

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#3 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -
The Sega Genesis beats both
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#4 Posted by GreySeal9 (28247 posts) -

PS2

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#5 Posted by Renegade_Fury (19904 posts) -

The Sega Genesis beats bothrilpas

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This man knows what's up.

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#6 Posted by Blueresident87 (5694 posts) -

SNES.

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#7 Posted by NirdBerd (2113 posts) -

Apples and rice

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#8 Posted by darksongbird (1237 posts) -

Honestly this is a little tough. However, I picked Super Nintendo simply because it has more exclusives that I adored. As good as the PS2 is the Super Nintendo is more of a reliable console. It had the Marios, the Mega Mans, Super Mario RPG, Earthbound, A Link To The Past and Super Metroid (both which I've never played), the Donkey Kong Country series, etc, etc.

 

Both great systems with great exclusives and helped create a lot of memories for me. I just prefer the Super Nintendo.  

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#9 Posted by Shenmue_Jehuty (5211 posts) -

PS2 hands down.

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#10 Posted by CaptainGamespot (616 posts) -

The PS2 actually has games I like to play. SNES? Not so much.

I love both though, great machines

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#11 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

The PS2 has more good games than the SNES has, no doubt about it. The variety of games there is just amazing.

HOWEVER, I'd still much rather play the less amount of good games on SNES than I would the many good games on PS2. The games that are good on SNES are all-time masterpieces that will ALWAYS stand the test of time like Super Metroid, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Chrono Trigger, and others.

I still love my PS2, though, and wouldn't give up either system.

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#12 Posted by starfox15 (3982 posts) -

Super Nintendo = my teenage years. So... SNES. 

Playstation 2 is still a solid machine, I just have much better memories with the SNES. 

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#13 Posted by whiskeystrike (12172 posts) -

PS2 easily, especially when you consider PS1 BC.

SNES is one of my all time favorite systems tho

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#14 Posted by kittensRjerks (3802 posts) -

ps2

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#15 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -
The Sega Genesis beats bothrilpas
I'll never understand why the Genesis is looked upon like some Godly console. It's a great console, but I don't see how it could ever be close to the best. The game library, aside from the Sonics and a few other exclusive series', just comes off as small and mediocre.
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#16 Posted by rawsavon (40001 posts) -

PS2 easily, especially when you consider PS1 BC.whiskeystrike

I agree with this

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#17 Posted by Blueresident87 (5694 posts) -

SNES, and even if my opinion is largely the result of nostalgia, I don't care.

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#18 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -
[QUOTE="rilpas"]The Sega Genesis beats bothYoshiYogurt
I'll never understand why the Genesis is looked upon like some Godly console. It's a great console, but I don't see how it could ever be close to the best. The game library, aside from the Sonics and a few other exclusive series', just comes off as small and mediocre.

replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually true
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#19 Posted by strategyfn (432 posts) -

I would take a SNES with my pick of games over a similiar deal with PS2.

PS2 only had GTAIII, and Vice City for me, mostly.

While on SNES I can get my Aero Biz, and good PTO fix if my minimal research is correct.

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#20 Posted by andmcq (257 posts) -

PS2 had much better graphics so it was better.

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#21 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -
[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="rilpas"]The Sega Genesis beats bothrilpas
I'll never understand why the Genesis is looked upon like some Godly console. It's a great console, but I don't see how it could ever be close to the best. The game library, aside from the Sonics and a few other exclusive series', just comes off as small and mediocre.

replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually true

The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.
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#22 Posted by lazyathew (3748 posts) -

I think I have to go with the PS2. Hard to pick really though. Both are very different systems with very different libraries. Just depends on what I wanna play at the time. But still, if I had to pick just one, I'd go with the PS2. Actually I don't even an SNES, I only play SNES games on the Wii's virtual console, lol. But I think ya know what I mean.

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#23 Posted by lazyathew (3748 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I'll never understand why the Genesis is looked upon like some Godly console. It's a great console, but I don't see how it could ever be close to the best. The game library, aside from the Sonics and a few other exclusive series', just comes off as small and mediocre. YoshiYogurt
replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually true

The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.

I was always more of a Sonic fan then Mario. But looking back at the libraries, I have to say SNES has a better selection overal. Metroid, Zelda, Mega Man, Kirby, lots of fun games. Genisis pretty much just has Sonic, lol. I know it has lots of other games that people love. But Sonic is really the only one that stands out for me.

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#24 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I'll never understand why the Genesis is looked upon like some Godly console. It's a great console, but I don't see how it could ever be close to the best. The game library, aside from the Sonics and a few other exclusive series', just comes off as small and mediocre. YoshiYogurt
replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually true

The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

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#25 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="rilpas"] replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually truelazyathew

The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.

I was always more of a Sonic fan then Mario. But looking back at the libraries, I have to say SNES has a better selection overal. Metroid, Zelda, Mega Man, Kirby, lots of fun games. Genisis pretty much just has Sonic, lol. I know it has lots of other games that people love. But Sonic is really the only one that stands out for me.

If you believe Genesis only has sonic then you really don't know much about the system, heck you mentioned Megaman, but the Genesis also had megaman

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#26 Posted by lazyathew (3748 posts) -

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[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.rilpas

I was always more of a Sonic fan then Mario. But looking back at the libraries, I have to say SNES has a better selection overal. Metroid, Zelda, Mega Man, Kirby, lots of fun games. Genisis pretty much just has Sonic, lol. I know it has lots of other games that people love. But Sonic is really the only one that stands out for me.

If you believe Genesis only has sonic then you really don't know much about the system, heck you mentioned Megaman, but the Genesis also had megaman

What Mega Man games did it have other then Wily Wars? Wily Wars wasn't even released on cartridge in North Amercia. But even if it was, SNES has more Mega Man games.

And I didn't mean Sonic were the only good games on the system. Just the only GREAT exlusive games that I have noticed and played. I like Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, and Shinobi is kinda fun. But nothing truly spectacular. Just my opinion, though.

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#27 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="lazyathew"]I was always more of a Sonic fan then Mario. But looking back at the libraries, I have to say SNES has a better selection overal. Metroid, Zelda, Mega Man, Kirby, lots of fun games. Genisis pretty much just has Sonic, lol. I know it has lots of other games that people love. But Sonic is really the only one that stands out for me.

lazyathew

If you believe Genesis only has sonic then you really don't know much about the system, heck you mentioned Megaman, but the Genesis also had megaman

What Mega Man games did it have other then Wily Wars? Wily Wars wasn't even released on cartridge in North Amercia. But even if it was, SNES has more Mega Man games.

And I didn't mean Sonic were the only good games on the system. Just the only GREAT exlusive games that I have noticed and played. I like Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, and Shinobi is kinda fun. But nothing truly spectacular. Just my opinion, though.

Indeed willy Wars, 3.5 games in one and it was certainly available where I come from.

Personally, I'm not even a fan of Sonic and I think the Genesis wins this, heck shadowrun alone is a game unlike anything on the SNES (though to be fair super metroid is unlike anything on the Genesis).

Then you have games like Ranger X, Castlevania Bloodlines, Contra: Hardcorps, Shining Force 2 these were all amazing games

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#28 Posted by LJSEXAY (1866 posts) -

The Sega Genesis beats bothrilpas
Truth...

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#29 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="rilpas"] replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually truerilpas

The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

Sonic couldn't even save! Talk about archaic. The SNES had one of the greatest games of all time, Super Metroid. Not to Mention having Super Mario All Stars containing Marios 1-3, World , and lost levels. There's also Kirby, Pilotwings, Star Fox, the Final Fantasies, Mario RPG, EARTHBOUND. Genesis doesn't even come close. I have quite a bit of Genesis games too none of which would even be in my top 100 games. Maybe Sonic 2. You still fail to bring up great games in any of your arguments for the Genesis. The SNES is probably tied for all time greatest console simply because of the sheer quality of it's library of awesome games. PS2 has a huge number of "great" and "good" games.
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#30 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

While I do agree that the SNES is the better system between SNES and Genesis; Yoshi you are really coming off as ignorant about the Genesis. There are far more great titles on the Genesis other than Sonic games. It is the preferred system of the era for arcade ports (not counting Neo Geo titles, of course), shoot-em ups, and sports titles. And it's just as good with beat-em ups as the SNES is. Plus it has a number of good exclusives.

Heck, it still has great titles coming out for it. Check out the recently released Pier Solar RPG for Genesis:

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#31 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
Which console? Given the fact that the ps2 can play all psx games, ps2 games, and also NASA plethora of collections, I'd say the ps2.
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#32 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -
Not a big fan of arcade games or beat em ups, although the streets of rage games are pretty good. Sports games have always been irrelevant to me no matter the era. I prefer solid single player adventure and platforming games, which is why the Genesis appears to be lacking for me. Show me some games you Genesis fans LOVE and maybe I'll play them if I haven't.
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#33 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Not a big fan of arcade games or beat em ups, although the streets of rage games are pretty good. Sports games have always been irrelevant to me no matter the era. I prefer solid single player adventure and platforming games, which is why the Genesis appears to be lacking for me. Show me some games you Genesis fans LOVE and maybe I'll play them if I haven't.

General Chaos and Landstalker are two of my favorite games ever. There are tons of good genesis games.
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#34 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

Show me some games you Genesis fans LOVE and maybe I'll play them if I haven't. YoshiYogurt

Again, just to be clear, I prefer the SNES over the Genesis. But the Genesis still ranks as one of my all time favorite consoles, and is easily in my top 5 list. And despite claims otherwise on this thread, it has a wide variety of games.

Here's some great games for the Genesis in each genre:

Action:

  • Castlevania: Bloodlines
  • Contra: Hard Corps
  • Revenge of Shinobi
  • Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
  • Strider
  • Vectorman 1 & 2

Beat-Em Ups:

  • Comix Zone
  • Golden Axe 1 & 2
  • Maximum Carnage (Spider-Man & Venom)
  • Streets of Rage 1-3
  • X-Men 2: The Clone Wars
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist

Fighting Games:

  • Eternal Champions
  • Mortal Kombat 1-3 & Ultimate 3
  • Samurai Shodown
  • Super Street Fighter II

Platformers:

  • Cool Spot
  • Earthworm Jim 1 & 2
  • Ristar
  • Rocket Knight Adventures
  • Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3 and Sonic & Knuckles

RPGs:

  • Beyond Oasis
  • Phantasy Star 2-4
  • Shining Force 1 & 2
  • YS III: Wanderers From YS

Shoot-Em Ups:

  • Gaiares
  • Lightening Force
  • Raiden Trad
  • Thunder Force 2 & 3

Other:

  • Championship Pro-Am (R.C. Pro-Am port with better graphics than the original NES version)
  • Columns 1 & 2 (Puzzle Game)
  • Road Rash 1-3 (Motorcyle Racing with some combat sprinkled in)
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#35 Posted by GreySeal9 (28247 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="rilpas"] replace Genesis with SNES and Sonic with mario and your statement will become factually truerilpas

The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

In what way are the Sonic games higher quality than Mario? :?

Also, I fail to see how the SNES could feel dated relative to the Genesis since the Genesis feels more dated in terms of visuals and sound.

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#36 Posted by final_lap (388 posts) -

PS2 has Ace Combat 4 and Ace Combat Zero

SNES just has a bunch of old games

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#37 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Most PS2 games are now dated, imo, but the SNES has a lot of timeless classics that will never age.

2D just tends to age better.

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#38 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.YoshiYogurt

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

Sonic couldn't even save! Talk about archaic. The SNES had one of the greatest games of all time, Super Metroid. Not to Mention having Super Mario All Stars containing Marios 1-3, World , and lost levels. There's also Kirby, Pilotwings, Star Fox, the Final Fantasies, Mario RPG, EARTHBOUND. Genesis doesn't even come close. I have quite a bit of Genesis games too none of which would even be in my top 100 games. Maybe Sonic 2. You still fail to bring up great games in any of your arguments for the Genesis. The SNES is probably tied for all time greatest console simply because of the sheer quality of it's library of awesome games. PS2 has a huge number of "great" and "good" games.

Star Fox couldn't even save, how archaic! And realy? Pilotwings? you're actually bringing up a boring tech demo with terrible controls? Come on now, now you're not even trying

none of the SNEs would even be in my top 100 games they've all aged so poorly .

You still fail to bring up great games in any of your arguments for the SNES. The Genesis is probably tied for all time greatest console simply because of the sheer quality of it's library of awesome games. PS2 has a huge number of "great" and "good" games.

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#39 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.GreySeal9

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

In what way are the Sonic games higher quality than Mario? :?

Also, I fail to see how the SNES could feel dated relative to the Genesis since the Genesis feels more dated in terms of visuals and sound.

Actually I don't even like Sonic, but Yoshi is either fanboy, in which case I choose to troll him

or he's an idiot in which case I choose to troll him

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#40 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] Show me some games you Genesis fans LOVE and maybe I'll play them if I haven't. Emerald_Warrior

Again, just to be clear, I prefer the SNES over the Genesis. But the Genesis still ranks as one of my all time favorite consoles, and is easily in my top 5 list. And despite claims otherwise on this thread, it has a wide variety of games.

Here's some great games for the Genesis in each genre:

Action:

  • Castlevania: Bloodlines
  • Contra: Hard Corps
  • Revenge of Shinobi
  • Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
  • Strider
  • Vectorman 1 & 2

Beat-Em Ups:

  • Comix Zone
  • Golden Axe 1 & 2
  • Maximum Carnage (Spider-Man & Venom)
  • Streets of Rage 1-3
  • X-Men 2: The Clone Wars
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist

Fighting Games:

  • Eternal Champions
  • Mortal Kombat 1-3 & Ultimate 3
  • Samurai Shodown
  • Super Street Fighter II

Platformers:

  • Cool Spot
  • Earthworm Jim 1 & 2
  • Ristar
  • Rocket Knight Adventures
  • Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3 and Sonic & Knuckles

RPGs:

  • Beyond Oasis
  • Phantasy Star 2-4
  • Shining Force 1 & 2
  • YS III: Wanderers From YS

Shoot-Em Ups:

  • Gaiares
  • Lightening Force
  • Raiden Trad
  • Thunder Force 2 & 3

Other:

  • Championship Pro-Am (R.C. Pro-Am port with better graphics than the original NES version)
  • Columns 1 & 2 (Puzzle Game)
  • Road Rash 1-3 (Motorcyle Racing with some combat sprinkled in)

you forgot ot mention Shadowrun, just like the Genesis didn't have anything that could compared to Super Metroid, the SNES didn't have anything that could compare to shadowrun (Yes, I know the SNES has a shadowrun game as well, but they're miles apart)

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#41 Posted by bultje112 (1868 posts) -

the ps2 by about 50 times. snes is so underrepresented in many genres, ps2 is king in basically any genre

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#42 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

the ps2 by about 50 times. snes is so underrepresented in many genres, ps2 is king in basically any genre

bultje112


Even FPS and WRPG?

I think the Xbox demolished it in that...

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#43 Posted by Stefan91x (225 posts) -

SNES has DK Country Trilogy, nuff said.

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#44 Posted by LJSEXAY (1866 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] The Mario games are much higher quality than sonic for starters. SNES also had superior RPGS and adventure/metroidvania games, making the Genesis games feel quite dated.GreySeal9

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

In what way are the Sonic games higher quality than Mario? :?

Also, I fail to see how the SNES could feel dated relative to the Genesis since the Genesis feels more dated in terms of visuals and sound.

I like Mario well enough but the Genesis Sonic kicked his ass....
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#45 Posted by GreySeal9 (28247 posts) -

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

LJSEXAY

In what way are the Sonic games higher quality than Mario? :?

Also, I fail to see how the SNES could feel dated relative to the Genesis since the Genesis feels more dated in terms of visuals and sound.

I like Mario well enough but the Genesis Sonic kicked his ass....

I realize that some people think Sonic is better, but how is it higher quality?

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#46 Posted by Renegade_Fury (19904 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJSEXAY"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

In what way are the Sonic games higher quality than Mario? :?

Also, I fail to see how the SNES could feel dated relative to the Genesis since the Genesis feels more dated in terms of visuals and sound.

GreySeal9

I like Mario well enough but the Genesis Sonic kicked his ass....

I realize that some people think Sonic is better, but how is it higher quality?

I'll answer that one: Control, color, music, atmosphere, and level design. Mario World's bland look, dull levels, stiff gameplay that requires you to hold the run button at all times, and 2 or 3 tracks just doesn't compare. Sonic also doesn't waste my time with looking for keys or trying to figure out if I need to beat a stage by either collecting coins or playing as fast as I can.

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#47 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

Actually the sonic games are much higher quality then Mario, also the SNES only had one metroid type game (singular not plural).

making the SNES feel quite dated

rilpas

Sonic couldn't even save! Talk about archaic. The SNES had one of the greatest games of all time, Super Metroid. Not to Mention having Super Mario All Stars containing Marios 1-3, World , and lost levels. There's also Kirby, Pilotwings, Star Fox, the Final Fantasies, Mario RPG, EARTHBOUND. Genesis doesn't even come close. I have quite a bit of Genesis games too none of which would even be in my top 100 games. Maybe Sonic 2. You still fail to bring up great games in any of your arguments for the Genesis. The SNES is probably tied for all time greatest console simply because of the sheer quality of it's library of awesome games. PS2 has a huge number of "great" and "good" games.

Star Fox couldn't even save, how archaic! And realy? Pilotwings? you're actually bringing up a boring tech demo with terrible controls? Come on now, now you're not even trying

none of the SNEs would even be in my top 100 games they've all aged so poorly .

You still fail to bring up great games in any of your arguments for the SNES. The Genesis is probably tied for all time greatest console simply because of the sheer quality of it's library of awesome games. PS2 has a huge number of "great" and "good" games.

Just like I did the Genesis, I can come up with PLENTY of great SNES games. Both of you guys are coming off as complete fanboys for each system. Both the SNES and the Genesis had fan-freaking-tastic libraries. The competition between the 2 brought out the best in the 2 companies. And both systems are 2 of the greatest systems of all time.

So to answer your request, here's some great SNES games:

Action:

  • Castlevania: Dracula X
  • Contra III: The Alien Wars
  • Starfox
  • Super Castlevania IV
  • Sunset Riders

Action-RPG/Adventure:

  • The Illusion of Gaia
  • The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
  • The Secret of Manna
  • Soul Blazer
  • Super Metroid

Beat-Em Ups:

  • Final Fight 1-3
  • Knights of the Round
  • Marvel Super Heroes: War of the Gems
  • Maximum Carnage (Spider-Man & Venom)
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time
  • X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse

Fighting:

  • Mortal Kombat 2 & 3 and Ultimate (MK 1 was butchered on SNES)
  • Street Fighter Alpha 2
  • Super Street Fighter 2

Platformers:

  • Donkey Kong Country 1-3
  • Super Mario All-Stars
  • Super Mario World
  • Super Adventure Island 1 & 2

Racing:

  • F-Zero
  • Super Mario Kart
  • Top Gear 1 & 2

RPG:

  • Breath of Fire 1 & 2
  • Chrono Trigger
  • Final Fantasy 2 & 3 (IV & VI in Japan)
  • Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

Shoot-Em Ups:

  • Axelay
  • Darius Twin
  • Gradius III
  • R-Type III: Third Lightning
  • Super R-Type

Other:

  • Sim City
  • Wolfenstein 3-D (it was edited to take the Nazi stuff out, but back in the day this was the only way to play the game if you didn't have a PC, which weren't nearly as common in households as it is today)
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#48 Posted by GreySeal9 (28247 posts) -

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJSEXAY"]I like Mario well enough but the Genesis Sonic kicked his ass....Renegade_Fury

I realize that some people think Sonic is better, but how is it higher quality?

I'll answer that one: Control, color, music, atmosphere, and level design. Mario World's bland look, dull levels, stiff gameplay that requires you to hold the run button at all times, and 2 or 3 tracks just doesn't compare. Sonic also doesn't waste my time with looking for keys or trying to figure out if I need to beat a stage by either collecting coins or playing as fast as I can.

I completely disagree with controls and level design. I've always thought Sonic's level design, while good, feels more lazy because it seems alot more repetitive. It seems like it relies way too much of sending the player through loops and tubes for variation and excitement; Mario's levels have more actual variety (I can give you some examples if you like). Mario also has far more enemy variety. The robots in Sonic are pretty repetitive and lazy. I also think the controls in Sonic feel more touchy.

Atmosphere is a very subjective measure that I'd probably agree with you on. Music I absolutely agree with, but I don't feel that's particularly pertinent to overall quality.

Also, getting keys, if I remember correctly, is an optional thing in Mario World and for the bulk of stages, you simply get to the end, so I'm not sure what you mean with the bolded.

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#49 Posted by Renegade_Fury (19904 posts) -

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I realize that some people think Sonic is better, but how is it higher quality?

GreySeal9

I'll answer that one: Control, color, music, atmosphere, and level design. Mario World's bland look, dull levels, stiff gameplay that requires you to hold the run button at all times, and 2 or 3 tracks just doesn't compare. Sonic also doesn't waste my time with looking for keys or trying to figure out if I need to beat a stage by either collecting coins or playing as fast as I can.

I completely disagree with controls and level design. I've always thought Sonic's level design, while good, feels more lazy because it feels alot more repetitive. It seems like it relies way too much of sending the player through loops and tubes for variation and excitement; Mario's levels have more actual variety (I can give you some examples if you like). Mario also has far more enemy variety. The robots in Sonic are pretty repetitive and lazy. I also think the controls in Sonic feel more touchy.

Atmosphere is a very subjective measure that I'd probably agree with you on. Music I absolutely agree with it, but I don't feel that's particularly pertinent to quality.

Also, getting keys is not an optional thing in Mario and for the bulk of stages, you simply get to the end, so I'm not sure what you mean with the bolded.

I don't think they're lazy, they're different styles. Mario World stages are more about messing around, and Sonic's are quick and to the point. I like the latter.

Control, isn't even a question to me. It's the momentum based gameplay that allows the player to do things like this. No other platformer makes me feel in control like Sonic, while Mario feels very run of the mill.

I like my platformers to be straightforward and not have any filler. In Mario World, you do need to find keys, figure out the right path, and in one particular level there is a sign that flat out tells you to either get a certain amount of coins or beat it as fast as you can to beat the game. I find all of this to be nonsense. The reason Super Mario Bros. for the NES is my favorite of the series is because it doesn't consist of so much BS and time wasters.

Oh, and I totally disagree with you on music in regards to quality. To me that's what can make a game truly stick out and lift it to memorable status. One of Sonic's principal philophsies was to focus on making enjoyable and fun music, and I think that has been a very consistent attribute the franchise has maintained.

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#50 Posted by GreySeal9 (28247 posts) -

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

I'll answer that one: Control, color, music, atmosphere, and level design. Mario World's bland look, dull levels, stiff gameplay that requires you to hold the run button at all times, and 2 or 3 tracks just doesn't compare. Sonic also doesn't waste my time with looking for keys or trying to figure out if I need to beat a stage by either collecting coins or playing as fast as I can.

Renegade_Fury

I completely disagree with controls and level design. I've always thought Sonic's level design, while good, feels more lazy because it feels alot more repetitive. It seems like it relies way too much of sending the player through loops and tubes for variation and excitement; Mario's levels have more actual variety (I can give you some examples if you like). Mario also has far more enemy variety. The robots in Sonic are pretty repetitive and lazy. I also think the controls in Sonic feel more touchy.

Atmosphere is a very subjective measure that I'd probably agree with you on. Music I absolutely agree with it, but I don't feel that's particularly pertinent to quality.

Also, getting keys is not an optional thing in Mario and for the bulk of stages, you simply get to the end, so I'm not sure what you mean with the bolded.

I don't think they're lazy, they're different styles. Mario World stages are more about messing around, and Sonic's are quick and to the point. I like the latter.

Control, isn't even a question to me. It's the momentum based gameplay that allows the player to do things like this. No other platformer makes me feel in control like Sonic, while Mario feels very run of the mill.

I like my platformers to be straightforward and not have any filler. In Mario World, you do need to find keys, figure out the right path, and in one particular level there is a sign that flat out tells you to either get a certain amount of coins or beat it as fast as you can to beat the game. I find all of this to be nonsense. The reason Super Mario Bros. for the NES is my favorite of the series is because it doesn't consist of so much BS and time wasters.

You may be able to mess around more in Mario World stages, but I don't think they are about that at all. Like Sonic, they are about getting to the end. The difference is that the developers throw a wider variety of obstacles at the player in Mario. I'm not knocking Sonic for having a different playstyle. That's fine. But I do feel that the Sonic level designers were not nearly as creative. And while the levels in Sonic are well-designed, they seem to use the same tricks alot.

About control: Sonic's control might be faster and more momentum-based, but that doesn't make it more "quality". Also, I'd disagree that one feels more in control with Sonic. I feel that Sonic is the one that often takes control away, even if it's for short periods, from the player while Mario doesn't.

Furthermore, you call Mario's controls run of the mill, but it only seems that way because more platformers copied Mario's style. I don't think it makes sense to call the pioneer run of the mill.

I do admit that I could be remembering wrong about the keys and what not. It's been a while since I played Mario World.