What do you want in the next Silent Hill game?

Downpour was a letdown for me...

So i'm hoping Konami can make a proper SH game for the series' 15 years in 2014.

One that does have some gameplay innovations,but retains the story,atmosphere,and horror of the old games.

You?

Downpour was grat BTW.

Anyways I think it'd be really cool if you play as a person who is canonically a serial killer.

Downpour was grat BTW.

Anyways I think it'd be really cool if you play as a person who is canonically a serial killer.

turtlethetaffer

Yeah,if you like Downpour THAT much,it means you have the wrong idea of SH is supposed to be.

Yeah,if you like Downpour THAT much,it means you have the wrong idea of SH is supposed to be.

GreekGameManiac

"What do you want in the next Silent Hill game?"

A freaking, literally Silent Hill for once! o_O There has NEVER been any in ALL games O_O

Yeah,if you like Downpour THAT much,it means you have the wrong idea of SH is supposed to be.

GreekGameManiac

How did Downpour not deliver on what the games are "supposed to be?" It had plenty of psychological stuff and a great atmosphere to boot. Plus some of the side quests were just really creepy. I think SH fans need to pull their heads out of their asses.

It needs Team Silent. That's just my take, of course I may just have my head up my ass. I'll have to check with turtlethetaffer, since he's the only one who has a genuine opinion of his own.Philosopho

What I meant was fans need to stop acting like "Oh, any games past the third are total sh!t and completely irrelevant." It's just stupid and whiny. I love the earlier games but Downpour was pretty great. It retained the feeling of earlier games while making it less annoying to play. And anyone who thinks that Downpour forces fighting too much should replay 2 and 3. It was either fight, or run through a crowd of enemies through cramped corridors while hoping to take as little damage as possible. Fans need to take their nostalgia goggles off. I'm not saying Downpour is the ebst one (3 is my personal fav) but people need to stop acting like they "ruined" the series with Downpour.

I want a survival horror game. Limited to no combat. A story that will freak me out. A setting that breathes atmosphere. Monsters that are both dangerous, well thought out and disgusting or horrifying. Survival horror, everyone.

I want a survival horror game. Limited to no combat. A story that will freak me out. A setting that breathes atmosphere. Monsters that are both dangerous, well thought out and disgusting or horrifying. Survival horror, everyone.

PetJel

Downpour had most of that. More combat towards the end but you'd be surprised how many fights you can run away from in the game. Also one of the game's problems IMO was that the monster deisgn wasn't up to par with previous games like 2 and 3.

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I want a survival horror game. Limited to no combat. A story that will freak me out. A setting that breathes atmosphere. Monsters that are both dangerous, well thought out and disgusting or horrifying. Survival horror, everyone.

turtlethetaffer

Downpour had most of that. More combat towards the end but you'd be surprised how many fights you can run away from in the game. Also one of the game's problems IMO was that the monster deisgn wasn't up to par with previous games like 2 and 3.

Actual survival horror, and a fresh, more original protagonist. The "I'm insane, and it turns out, all along, that I killed so-and-so!" deal has gotten old as hell.

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[QUOTE="PetJel"]

I want a survival horror game. Limited to no combat. A story that will freak me out. A setting that breathes atmosphere. Monsters that are both dangerous, well thought out and disgusting or horrifying. Survival horror, everyone.

PetJel

Downpour had most of that. More combat towards the end but you'd be surprised how many fights you can run away from in the game. Also one of the game's problems IMO was that the monster deisgn wasn't up to par with previous games like 2 and 3.

Downpour is much better than homecoming. (Although I personally enjoyed Homecoming.) The combat is the best it's been in the series (but it's still really clunky) but they made it so you don't have to kill the monsters (they get "knocked out" after a certain unmber of hits) and you can run from the majority of encounters in the game. Also, the world is open, so you can explore different parts of Silent Hill and do sidequests and stuff. Despite the "eh" monsters, the game is still really creepy, especially in one quest called Turn Back Time. You might think the quests detract from the atmosphere, but they enhance it more than anything. final note... there are parts in the last section of the game where you pretty much have to fight, but you can run from the bulk of the battles in the game.

Actual survival horror, and a fresh, more original protagonist. The "I'm insane, and it turns out, all along, that I killed so-and-so!" deal has gotten old as hell.

Lord_Nas3k

Downpour didn't have that.

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Actual survival horror, and a fresh, more original protagonist. The "I'm insane, and it turns out, all along, that I killed so-and-so!" deal has gotten old as hell.

turtlethetaffer

Downpour didn't have that.

Oh, really? I haven't gotten a chance to play Downpour yet. Didn't seem all that well-recieved so I kind of forgot about it.

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[QUOTE="Lord_Nas3k"]

Actual survival horror, and a fresh, more original protagonist. The "I'm insane, and it turns out, all along, that I killed so-and-so!" deal has gotten old as hell.

Lord_Nas3k

Downpour didn't have that.

Oh, really? I haven't gotten a chance to play Downpour yet. Didn't seem all that well-recieved so I kind of forgot about it.

The protagonist knows everything that happened... the player doesn't. There is a "reveal" but the themes of the story are grief and poor decision making. It's pretty interesting since there's no part where he just suddenly remembers everything. It's better than, say, Homecoming's story.

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Downpour had most of that. More combat towards the end but you'd be surprised how many fights you can run away from in the game. Also one of the game's problems IMO was that the monster deisgn wasn't up to par with previous games like 2 and 3.

turtlethetaffer

Downpour is much better than homecoming. (Although I personally enjoyed Homecoming.) The combat is the best it's been in the series (but it's still really clunky) but they made it so you don't have to kill the monsters (they get "knocked out" after a certain unmber of hits) and you can run from the majority of encounters in the game. Also, the world is open, so you can explore different parts of Silent Hill and do sidequests and stuff. Despite the "eh" monsters, the game is still really creepy, especially in one quest called Turn Back Time. You might think the quests detract from the atmosphere, but they enhance it more than anything. final note... there are parts in the last section of the game where you pretty much have to fight, but you can run from the bulk of the battles in the game.

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[QUOTE="PetJel"] I have to be honest, I stopped paying attention to the franchise after Origins and Homecoming. Well I might have to check out Downpour then, even if the monsters are a bit more meh. :)PetJel

Downpour is much better than homecoming. (Although I personally enjoyed Homecoming.) The combat is the best it's been in the series (but it's still really clunky) but they made it so you don't have to kill the monsters (they get "knocked out" after a certain unmber of hits) and you can run from the majority of encounters in the game. Also, the world is open, so you can explore different parts of Silent Hill and do sidequests and stuff. Despite the "eh" monsters, the game is still really creepy, especially in one quest called Turn Back Time. You might think the quests detract from the atmosphere, but they enhance it more than anything. final note... there are parts in the last section of the game where you pretty much have to fight, but you can run from the bulk of the battles in the game.

Sure, anytime, happy to help.

@turtlethefather : the monsters in Downpour SUCKED,music wasn't nearly as memorable or scary,and it didn't really have the "this is a Silent Hill game" feeling.

@turtlethefather : the monsters in Downpour SUCKED,music wasn't nearly as memorable or scary,and it didn't really have the "this is a Silent Hill game" feeling.

GreekGameManiac

I think it felt like a Silent Hill game, at least in big stretches (though I totally agree with your other complaints). My deal with it was...even when it was working and totally DID feel like a true Silent Hill game, it just seemed like I'd seen all that $*** before. Diverging from games a bit, I've gotta compare it a bit to the Alien movie series. Alien? Fantastic movie. Aliens? Also fantastic. But they just kept making more and more movies. Fans will say that the later movies just sort of sucked due to pure incompetence on some level, and that a truly great Alien movie could be made today. I agree with the first part, and sort of disagree with the second. Alien worked on multiple levels, but a large part of it was simply the element of DISCOVERY. The concept wasn't particularly new, but the effect was that the monster was like nothing anyone had ever seen before. And we didn't even see that much. It was weird and strange and inaccessable, and part of the reason why it worked was because it was just so...Alien. But now it's just so demystified and explained and over-saturated within pop culture that it's probably impossible to recapture that magic.The Aliens have just plain stopped being scary. Too much exposure has left the franchise dead. I sort of feel that Silent Hill is the same way. Granted, several of the games sort of sucked because they just plain weren't very good. Crappy monsters, crappy puzzles, subpar gameplay, ridiculous story, etc etc. One might think that the next Silent Hill game would be great if only it were made by the right people with the right time and budget. But...I honestly sort of doubt it. Even if the next Silent Hill game was the PERFECT Silent Hill game, wouldn't it just sort of be the same thing we'd seen before? Going back to what has drawn me to Silent Hill in the first place, it WASN'T because of stuff like great story or great gameplay or great graphics. I got hooked because "holy $***, I have never played anything like this before in my life." To my knowledge, there was simply nothing else quite like it, and that originality was a HUGE part of why it worked for me. But after so many Silent Hill games, how possible is it to recapture that? Any "true" Silent Hill game that "feels like Silent Hill" is necessarily just gonna have a HUGE element of "I've already seen this". And that's precisely the direction that the gamemakers SHOULDN'T go. I really think it's time to just ditch the franchise. It was great for a while, but it's gone on for far too long and I don't think it's possible to recapture that sense of originality by making more and more goddamn sequels. Let it die, and focus on something new.MrGeezer

Actually that's the wrong kind of thinking.

Why let it die?

Just reboot it in some way.

Why let it die?GreekGameManiac

Because we still want more. People seriously need to learn how to let go. The agony of something great being gone too soon is far preferable to the hell of waiting until it has overstated its welcome (and I'm sure that many people think that Silent Hill has already passed that point). It was great for a while. And no matter how good future installments are, it's very unlikely that it'll ever be able to recreate that magic. So it's time to let it go. The people responsible should just move on, and work on something new and original to fill that void. You don't keep going until people are begging you to stop, you quit while you're ahead, and bow out gracefully while people still want more of what you're offering.MrGeezer

I wish it was that easy...

@turtlethefather : the monsters in Downpour SUCKED,music wasn't nearly as memorable or scary,and it didn't really have the "this is a Silent Hill game" feeling.

GreekGameManiac

And what kind of "feeling" do silent Hill games have? Eerie atmosphere through fog? downpour has that. Dark story? Downpour has that. Symbolism throughout? yup, look at that, Downpour has that. Puzzles? Check. Crap combat? Better than other games but still pretty bad.

They try and change things up, and fans say it doesn't have the "Silent Hill" feel. If they made it more like older games I would bet cash that fans would b!tch and moan about how there needs to be something new. God, SH fans are almost as bad as Final Fantasy and Zelda fans in terms of b!tchiness.

I want a great psychological horror game, not a decent one that merely is passable, but a solid entry to the franchise.

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@turtlethefather : the monsters in Downpour SUCKED,music wasn't nearly as memorable or scary,and it didn't really have the "this is a Silent Hill game" feeling.

MrGeezer

And what kind of "feeling" do silent Hill games have? Eerie atmosphere through fog? downpour has that. Dark story? Downpour has that. Symbolism throughout? yup, look at that, Downpour has that. Puzzles? Check. Crap combat? Better than other games but still pretty bad.

They try and change things up, and fans say it doesn't have the "Silent Hill" feel. If they made it more like older games I would bet cash that fans would b!tch and moan about how there needs to be something new. God, SH fans are almost as bad as Final Fantasy and Zelda fans in terms of b!tchiness.

turtlethetaffer

I don't agree with you,it didn't really have those things,imo.

And i'm not that fanboyish,it's just i want a really good SH game for one.

Japanese developers.

Maybe Grasshopper Manufacture?

Well said. If Konami were as healthy as they were in generations past they'd probably put Silent Hill out of its misery, but while Silent Hill isn't popular by any stretch of the imagination, it is more popular than any Konami franchise not named Meal Gear.

CarnageHeart

I would guess (and hope) Castlevania is more popular than Silent Hill as well.

And I fail to see how Downpour was a disappointment to anyone. Silent Hill has sucked for a long time that it's to the point where when something is good in the franchise it's surprising. Hard to be disappointed at a time when mediocrity is just to be expected.

DOWNPOUR  WAS THE WORST Silent Hill ever, not scary at all, it has no SH wibe....As for the next SH game ,i would hope it would be Like  SH2 and Homecoming....

DOWNPOUR WAS THE WORST Silent Hill ever, not scary at all, it has no SH wibe....As for the next SH game ,i would hope it would be Like SH2 and Homecoming....

BIOHAZARD450

I find it ironic that oyu say Downpour is the worst and yet you say you like homecoming.

I like them both, I'm just saying that it's usually the other way around.