so I just played 5 different fighting games on the Saturn back to back

Question for Mr. Darkman - do you think Saturn could handle SF3?

As in, not Alpha 3 but the real SF3.

I read the arcade version runs on what seems to be a single SH2 CPU and Saturn had two of those (even the 32X did actually).

nameless12345

no, I mean alpha. the game that came out in 99, for all the systems I think, also saturn

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Question for Mr. Darkman - do you think Saturn could handle SF3?

As in, not Alpha 3 but the real SF3.

I read the arcade version runs on what seems to be a single SH2 CPU and Saturn had two of those (even the 32X did actually).

Darkman2007

Maybe if they used a bigger memory expansion?

It's interesting how both, the N64 and Saturn used memory expansions (N64 for 3D games and Saturn for 2D games).

Perhaps they could even provide a 3D accelerator addon which would boost 3D performance and 3D graphics quality on the machine dramatically.

But it would likely be too expensive to do so and split the already small userbase (think 32X).

And for just that one, two games (VF3 and Shenmue for example), it wouldn't be really worth it tbh.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Question for Mr. Darkman - do you think Saturn could handle SF3?

As in, not Alpha 3 but the real SF3.

I read the arcade version runs on what seems to be a single SH2 CPU and Saturn had two of those (even the 32X did actually).

nameless12345

Maybe if they used a bigger memory expansion?

It's interesting how both, the N64 and Saturn used memory expansions (N64 for 3D games and Saturn for 2D games).

Perhaps they could even provide a 3D accelerator addon which would boost 3D performance and 3D graphics quality on the machine dramatically.

But it would likely be too expensive to do so and split the already small userbase (think 32X).

And for just that one, two games (VF3 and Shenmue for example), it wouldn't be really worth it tbh.

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] SF3 would be possible, the main issue is RAM , the 4MB carts were good enough for the CPS2 games, CPS3 games obviously used more RAM , so while it could work , you would have to cut out frames of animation, introduce longer loading, etc. ie, it would run it, just not a perfect port (good port though) and the reason the Saturn needs the extra CPU is mainly for 3D calculations, since the CPS3 is a 2D only machine, 1 CPU is enough.Darkman2007

Maybe if they used a bigger memory expansion?

It's interesting how both, the N64 and Saturn used memory expansions (N64 for 3D games and Saturn for 2D games).

Perhaps they could even provide a 3D accelerator addon which would boost 3D performance and 3D graphics quality on the machine dramatically.

But it would likely be too expensive to do so and split the already small userbase (think 32X).

And for just that one, two games (VF3 and Shenmue for example), it wouldn't be really worth it tbh.

I read somewhere that Street Fighter 3 was in development for 64DD but got canned because the 64DD got canned.

It's probably just rumours tho, but would have been interesting to see how the 64 would handle a 2D game with such heavy animations.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Maybe if they used a bigger memory expansion?

It's interesting how both, the N64 and Saturn used memory expansions (N64 for 3D games and Saturn for 2D games).

Perhaps they could even provide a 3D accelerator addon which would boost 3D performance and 3D graphics quality on the machine dramatically.

But it would likely be too expensive to do so and split the already small userbase (think 32X).

And for just that one, two games (VF3 and Shenmue for example), it wouldn't be really worth it tbh.

nameless12345

I read somewhere that Street Fighter 3 was in development for 64DD but got canned because the 64DD got canned.

It's probably just rumours tho, but would have been interesting to see how the 64 would handle a 2D game with such heavy animations.

Gosh darn, the 64DD. Why not you bringeth Earthbound 64.Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Gosh darn, the 64DD. Why not you bringeth Earthbound 64.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"]Gosh darn, the 64DD. Why not you bringeth Earthbound 64.Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] were there any games that used multiple discs? using it in tandem with a cartridge won't help much , kind of negets the whole point.Darkman2007

F-Zero X got an 64DD expansion disc called "F-Zero X Expansion Kit" and featured a track editor and create-a-car feature (I think).

If Nintendo ever did a remake for the 3DS, it would be cool if they included that...

Don't forget about Xmen Children of the Atom! I love that fighting game and it's still one of my favorite games period. I wish there were some more unlockable characters though.godzillavskong

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]Don't forget about Xmen Children of the Atom! I love that fighting game and it's still one of my favorite games period. I wish there were some more unlockable characters though.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="godzillavskong"]Don't forget about Xmen Children of the Atom! I love that fighting game and it's still one of my favorite games period. I wish there were some more unlockable characters though.godzillavskong

Don't forget about Xmen Children of the Atom! I love that fighting game and it's still one of my favorite games period. I wish there were some more unlockable characters though.godzillavskong

great game, but graphically surpassed by a number of other 2d fighters. also gameplay wise. x-men vs streetfighter I think is the best 2d fighting game I may have ever played.

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VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

bultje112

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

VF2 on the Saturn was impressive for the time and for the limitations of the console (the PC port is based on the Saturn version too) but it still didn't hold a candle to the real deal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrje0yVPlJY

And speaking of Virtua Fighter, how come Sega still hasn't released a VF Collection featuring arcade-perfect ports of the first four VFs?

I'm pretty sure fans of the series would buy that.

thebest31406

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

oh yeah? how do you know then?

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

bultje112

oh yeah? how do you know then?

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol you again and your "facts" I doubt you ever played virtua fighter 2 in an arcade. yes it looks better than the saturn version. but definitley not a lot. backgrounds were better quite a bit, but saying it didn't hold a candle to the real deal. lol

bultje112

oh yeah? how do you know then?

triple facepalm for anyone seriously claiming to use youtube to compare graphics. I thougth stupidity had reached its peak. but I guess not.

triple facepalm for anyone seriously claiming to use youtube to compare graphics. I thougth stupidity had reached its peak. but I guess not.

bultje112

Everyone with a pair of eyeballs (no, just one) can see that the arcade version looks better...

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triple facepalm for anyone seriously claiming to use youtube to compare graphics. I thougth stupidity had reached its peak. but I guess not.

nameless12345

Everyone with a pair of eyeballs (no, just one) can see that the arcade version looks better...

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

triple facepalm for anyone seriously claiming to use youtube to compare graphics. I thougth stupidity had reached its peak. but I guess not.

nameless12345

Everyone with a pair of eyeballs (no, just one) can see that the arcade version looks better...

it looks better, but not a ton better as claimed by you and certain other idiots here

Well someone else who played fighting games back to back. I did that with Mortal Kombat 1,2,3 on the Super Nintendo, And Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, Mortal Kombat Deception and Mortal Kombat Armaggedon on the Playstation 2.

I never played a Fighting Game on the Sega Saturn. The controller didn't look all that great for fighting games. I perfer a fight stick for fighting games. Then Snes Advantage and the Soul Caliber 2 fight Stick for PS2.

The Saturn did have Virtra fighter 1 and 2. I don't recall a decent Sega Saturn fight stick, or a arcade Joystick. But I'm sure that it did have them.

Glad to see that someone else has done the fighting game session back to back to back. This is something that I though no one else did. I didn't end up ever buying the Sega Saturn since the original Saturn controller didn't look all that comfortable. This was the very first controller that was included with the original Sega Saturn consoles way back in the May 1995 surprise launch.

The Sega Saturn was available Now! right after the very first E3 press conference. for $400.00. The first Saturn controller was quickly replaced with the more traditional Sega Genesis like 6 button control pad.

you clearly never had a sega saturn controller in your hand then. I couldn't name a better controller for fighting games

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[QUOTE="bultje112"]

triple facepalm for anyone seriously claiming to use youtube to compare graphics. I thougth stupidity had reached its peak. but I guess not.

bultje112

Everyone with a pair of eyeballs (no, just one) can see that the arcade version looks better...

it looks better, but not a ton better as claimed by you and certain other idiots here

you obviously never played the arcade version

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Everyone with a pair of eyeballs (no, just one) can see that the arcade version looks better...

rilpas

it looks better, but not a ton better as claimed by you and certain other idiots here

you obviously never played the arcade version

I did and both back in the day. there's a reason why people in reviews write about their being mimimal differences. because they were.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

it looks better, but not a ton better as claimed by you and certain other idiots here

bultje112

you obviously never played the arcade version

I did and both back in the day. there's a reason why people in reviews write about their being mimimal differences. because they were.

nah, you just never played the arcade version, it looks miles better

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

it looks better, but not a ton better as claimed by you and certain other idiots here

bultje112

you obviously never played the arcade version

I did and both back in the day. there's a reason why people in reviews write about their being mimimal differences. because they were.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

you obviously never played the arcade version

rilpas

I did and both back in the day. there's a reason why people in reviews write about their being mimimal differences. because they were.

nah, you just never played the arcade version, it looks miles better

you sound like a little child and you probably are. yes, no, yes, no

whatever you say

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

I did and both back in the day. there's a reason why people in reviews write about their being mimimal differences. because they were.

bultje112

nah, you just never played the arcade version, it looks miles better

you sound like a little child and you probably are. yes, no, yes, no

whatever you say

are you sure? I mean I'm only using your arguments

'you disagree with me? then you clearly never did X,Y,Z'

in what ways is the arcade so much better then? I've kept asking that. the backgrounds are a lot better. I agree with that. but that is about it.

in what ways is the arcade so much better then? I've kept asking that. the backgrounds are a lot better. I agree with that. but that is about it.

bultje112

I think Last Bronx is the best looking 3D fighter on the Saturn.AlexKidd5000

[QUOTE="AlexKidd5000"]I think Last Bronx is the best looking 3D fighter on the Saturn.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="AlexKidd5000"]I think Last Bronx is the best looking 3D fighter on the Saturn.AlexKidd5000

in what ways is the arcade so much better then? I've kept asking that. the backgrounds are a lot better. I agree with that. but that is about it.

bultje112

The thing that many don't know to point the finger at but know it looks much better is "bilinar texture filtering", i.e. the same thing N64 could do and made the textures look smooth up close (opposed to pixely like on Sega Saturn and PSX).

Of course, it also helped that it had 3D backgrounds and better character models (plus some extra special effects).

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

triple facepalm for anyone seriously claiming to use youtube to compare graphics. I thougth stupidity had reached its peak. but I guess not.

nameless12345

Everyone with a pair of eyeballs (no, just one) can see that the arcade version looks better...

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

in what ways is the arcade so much better then? I've kept asking that. the backgrounds are a lot better. I agree with that. but that is about it.

nameless12345

The thing that many don't know to point the finger at but know it looks much better is "bilinar texture filtering", i.e. the same thing N64 could do and made the textures look smooth up close (opposed to pixely like on Sega Saturn and PSX).

Of course, it also helped that it had 3D backgrounds and better character models (plus some extra special effects).

both vf2 on saturn and arcade don't look pixely at all up close.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

in what ways is the arcade so much better then? I've kept asking that. the backgrounds are a lot better. I agree with that. but that is about it.

bultje112

The thing that many don't know to point the finger at but know it looks much better is "bilinar texture filtering", i.e. the same thing N64 could do and made the textures look smooth up close (opposed to pixely like on Sega Saturn and PSX).

Of course, it also helped that it had 3D backgrounds and better character models (plus some extra special effects).

both vf2 on saturn and arcade don't look pixely at all up close.

Can't find a good shot of the arcade version but here's the Saturn vs PC version (D3D):

Note that the arcade version looks better than the PC version.

lol, you again and your internet pictures :roll: I actually have vf2 on my saturn and it doesn't look anything like that up close

lol, you again and your internet pictures :roll: I actually have vf2 on my saturn and it doesn't look anything like that up close

bultje112

Waiting for your "direct feed" shots...

I don't have a camera. why don't you buy a saturn yourself. maybe then some of the **** you say about the system has some substance :roll:

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol, you again and your internet pictures :roll: I actually have vf2 on my saturn and it doesn't look anything like that up close

nameless12345

Waiting for your "direct feed" shots...

don't know about the game looking totally differrent , but those pictures you posted are of a poor quality and the game does look better than that , especially with a good cable. heck , even my old capture device did a better job.

and these were taken with a composite output (simply because this capture card didn't have RGB) , the game looks quite a bit better (at least the colours and sharpness) with S-video or RGB.