so I just played 5 different fighting games on the Saturn back to back

this is the sort of discussion that goes beyond my knowledge, so I'm not going to comment other then this: I'd love to have seen a game where the saturn is pushed to its 3D limitrilpas

[QUOTE="rilpas"]this is the sort of discussion that goes beyond my knowledge, so I'm not going to comment other then this: I'd love to have seen a game where the saturn is pushed to its 3D limitDarkman2007

either I guess

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

where you from? portugal right? why are you going to the usa?

bultje112

Better living conditions

plus my fiancee is American

where in america? I've been in both and I'd say I much prefer to live in portugal than in usa. living conditions in usa are abysmal for a first world country, save the big coast cities perhaps. although I also didn't like new york. looked so poor to me.

Maryland

and right now, things aren't great here

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Better living conditions

plus my fiancee is American

rilpas

where in america? I've been in both and I'd say I much prefer to live in portugal than in usa. living conditions in usa are abysmal for a first world country, save the big coast cities perhaps. although I also didn't like new york. looked so poor to me.

Maryland

and right now, things aren't great here

I know things aren't great in portugal, but usa is possibly even worse(my experience), portugese people at least were friendly and so is the weather. if you want to go to a place where it's going well economically at least, I'd go to latin american now. maybe brazil. me I hope to move to colombia in the future years

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

where in america? I've been in both and I'd say I much prefer to live in portugal than in usa. living conditions in usa are abysmal for a first world country, save the big coast cities perhaps. although I also didn't like new york. looked so poor to me.

bultje112

Maryland

and right now, things aren't great here

I know things aren't great in portugal, but usa is possibly even worse(my experience), portugese people at least were friendly and so is the weather. if you want to go to a place where it's going well economically at least, I'd go to latin american now. maybe brazil. me I hope to move to colombia in the future years

yeah but at least I know people in Md (namely my fiancee's family) and at the very least, salaries are much higher there :P

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]this is the sort of discussion that goes beyond my knowledge, so I'm not going to comment other then this: I'd love to have seen a game where the saturn is pushed to its 3D limitrilpas

either I guess

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] what do mean 3D limit? just the amount of polygons or the other features of the system? Burning Rangers uses the system cleverly, even if its a big glitchy.Darkman2007

either I guess

Honestly, while Quake looks technically impressive for the Saturn, its graphics have not aged well at all.

plus, it suffers from framerate and input lag issues :P

burning rangers I agree. that games looks awesome from a historic viewpoint. compare it to other psx games of 97 for instance

burning rangers I agree. that games looks awesome from a historic viewpoint. compare it to other psx games of 97 for instance

bultje112

lol@thinking VF3 on Saturn could look much better than VF2 with 3D backgrounds.

Saturn couldn't run even VF2 arcade perfect so thinking it could handle VF3 anywhere close to arcade is silly.

Maybe with a 3D accelerator addon it could be done on it but that would arguably cost too much (the game would cost 100$ or more).

Also Burning Rangers looks nice but has too much clipping and texture warping.

I still think NiGHTS is the best-looking 3D game on Saturn.

@Darkman2007, what's your take on Burning Rangers if you've played it? Worth getting?

lol@thinking VF3 on Saturn could look much better than VF2 with 3D backgrounds.

Saturn couldn't run even VF2 arcade perfect so thinking it could handle VF3 anywhere close to arcade is silly.

Maybe with a 3D accelerator addon it could be done on it but that would arguably cost too much (the game would cost 100$ or more).

Also Burning Rangers looks nice but has too much clipping and texture warping.

I still think NiGHTS is the best-looking 3D game on Saturn.

nameless12345

lol @ someone who has never even owned or played a saturn, yet talks as if he knows it all. burning rangers doesn't have excessive clipping. any other 3d platformer of the day was similar in that. in fact your beloved n64 might have had the worst clipping issues in many of it's 3d games. especially the wrestlinggames. but pls, show me a multitude of clipping issues on burning rangers. youtube is full of burning rangers videos, so should be easy for you :roll:

vf2 was in 1995. vf3 was in 1998. by then sega knew much better how to work the saturn. especially am2, who were working on it.

@Darkman2007, what's your take on Burning Rangers if you've played it? Worth getting?

Lucianu

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

lol@thinking VF3 on Saturn could look much better than VF2 with 3D backgrounds.

Saturn couldn't run even VF2 arcade perfect so thinking it could handle VF3 anywhere close to arcade is silly.

Maybe with a 3D accelerator addon it could be done on it but that would arguably cost too much (the game would cost 100$ or more).

Also Burning Rangers looks nice but has too much clipping and texture warping.

I still think NiGHTS is the best-looking 3D game on Saturn.

bultje112

lol @ someone who has never even owned or played a saturn, yet talks as if he knows it all. burning rangers doesn't have excessive clipping. any other 3d platformer of the day was similar in that. in fact your beloved n64 might have had the worst clipping issues in many of it's 3d games. especially the wrestlinggames. but pls, show me a multitude of clipping issues on burning rangers. youtube is full of burning rangers videos, so should be easy for you :roll:

vf2 was in 1995. vf3 was in 1998. by then sega knew much better how to work the saturn. especially am2, who were working on it.

So if I haven't played the Saturn but played it's ports on other systems and saw youtube footage I cannot comment on it?

Okay...

The clipping in Burning Rangers, from what I've seen of it, was quite excessive (much more so than in Mario 64 for example).

But I won't search for vids to "proove" something to you because I don't feel like so.

And you'll find some excuse anyway ("on real Saturn is different, blah blah blah")...

VF3 still wouldn't look close to arcade version, even if they made it run in 320x240@30fps and taxed the hardware to the max.

It would be, simply put, impossible.

Even the DC version had some cuts made and that was 10 times stronger than Saturn.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Better living conditions

plus my fiancee is American

rilpas

where in america? I've been in both and I'd say I much prefer to live in portugal than in usa. living conditions in usa are abysmal for a first world country, save the big coast cities perhaps. although I also didn't like new york. looked so poor to me.

Maryland

and right now, things aren't great here

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

lol@thinking VF3 on Saturn could look much better than VF2 with 3D backgrounds.

Saturn couldn't run even VF2 arcade perfect so thinking it could handle VF3 anywhere close to arcade is silly.

Maybe with a 3D accelerator addon it could be done on it but that would arguably cost too much (the game would cost 100$ or more).

Also Burning Rangers looks nice but has too much clipping and texture warping.

I still think NiGHTS is the best-looking 3D game on Saturn.

nameless12345

lol @ someone who has never even owned or played a saturn, yet talks as if he knows it all. burning rangers doesn't have excessive clipping. any other 3d platformer of the day was similar in that. in fact your beloved n64 might have had the worst clipping issues in many of it's 3d games. especially the wrestlinggames. but pls, show me a multitude of clipping issues on burning rangers. youtube is full of burning rangers videos, so should be easy for you :roll:

vf2 was in 1995. vf3 was in 1998. by then sega knew much better how to work the saturn. especially am2, who were working on it.

So if I haven't played the Saturn but played it's ports on other systems and saw youtube footage I cannot comment on it?

Okay...

The clipping in Burning Rangers, from what I've seen of it, was quite excessive (much more so than in Mario 64 for example).

But I won't search for vids to "proove" something to you because I don't feel like so.

And you'll find some excuse anyway ("on real Saturn is different, blah blah blah")...

VF3 still wouldn't look close to arcade version, even if they made it run in 320x240@30fps and taxed the hardware to the max.

It would be, simply put, impossible.

Even the DC version had some cuts made and that was 10 times stronger than Saturn.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol @ someone who has never even owned or played a saturn, yet talks as if he knows it all. burning rangers doesn't have excessive clipping. any other 3d platformer of the day was similar in that. in fact your beloved n64 might have had the worst clipping issues in many of it's 3d games. especially the wrestlinggames. but pls, show me a multitude of clipping issues on burning rangers. youtube is full of burning rangers videos, so should be easy for you :roll:

vf2 was in 1995. vf3 was in 1998. by then sega knew much better how to work the saturn. especially am2, who were working on it.

Heirren

So if I haven't played the Saturn but played it's ports on other systems and saw youtube footage I cannot comment on it?

Okay...

The clipping in Burning Rangers, from what I've seen of it, was quite excessive (much more so than in Mario 64 for example).

But I won't search for vids to "proove" something to you because I don't feel like so.

And you'll find some excuse anyway ("on real Saturn is different, blah blah blah")...

VF3 still wouldn't look close to arcade version, even if they made it run in 320x240@30fps and taxed the hardware to the max.

It would be, simply put, impossible.

Even the DC version had some cuts made and that was 10 times stronger than Saturn.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

where in america? I've been in both and I'd say I much prefer to live in portugal than in usa. living conditions in usa are abysmal for a first world country, save the big coast cities perhaps. although I also didn't like new york. looked so poor to me.

Heirren

Maryland

and right now, things aren't great here

Actually my problem is with finding jobs :P

As for crime, we haven't had any real issues

heck, in my family, I was the only one who was ever robbed... and I was thirtheen at the time, so that was over 12 years ago :P

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]yep, it's also possible I'll have my things shipped to me gradually.

rilpas

where you from? portugal right? why are you going to the usa?

Better living conditions

plus my fiancee is American

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

So if I haven't played the Saturn but played it's ports on other systems and saw youtube footage I cannot comment on it?

Okay...

The clipping in Burning Rangers, from what I've seen of it, was quite excessive (much more so than in Mario 64 for example).

But I won't search for vids to "proove" something to you because I don't feel like so.

And you'll find some excuse anyway ("on real Saturn is different, blah blah blah")...

VF3 still wouldn't look close to arcade version, even if they made it run in 320x240@30fps and taxed the hardware to the max.

It would be, simply put, impossible.

Even the DC version had some cuts made and that was 10 times stronger than Saturn.

Darkman2007

Actually I played the PC ports which were pretty much direct Saturn ports (with some extra feature here and there like 3D acceleration support)...

Youtube footage pretty much shows how the games looked like and I don't see what's wrong with it.

"But on a old CRT TV it's different" - yea, I know pretty much how old systems look on it as I still use one myself...

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"] If you've never played a native Saturn you shouldn't be commenting.nameless12345

Actually I played the PC ports which were pretty much direct Saturn ports (with some extra feature here and there like 3D acceleration support)...

Youtube footage pretty much shows how the games looked like and I don't see what's wrong with it.

"But on a old CRT TV it's different" - yea, I know pretty much how old systems look on it as I still use one myself...

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

where you from? portugal right? why are you going to the usa?

Dudersaper

Better living conditions

plus my fiancee is American

yes, I am, are you Portuguese as well?

and yeah fighting Vipers is awesome, I wrote a review for it on my blog today :P

[QUOTE="Dudersaper"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

Better living conditions

plus my fiancee is American

rilpas

yes, I am, are you Portuguese as well?

and yeah fighting Vipers is awesome, I wrote a review for it on my blog today :P

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Dudersaper"]Wait what? You're really from Portugal? :o And to be on topic, the only one from thoe 5 I've played extensively was Fighting Vipers, which I remember being awesome.Dudersaper

yes, I am, are you Portuguese as well?

and yeah fighting Vipers is awesome, I wrote a review for it on my blog today :P

Thanks :P

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I mostly agree, playing games on a Saturn emulator is just not the same, some games work , some partially work with alot of problems, some won't work at all. youtube vids are not bad, but its sitll not that great.Darkman2007

Actually I played the PC ports which were pretty much direct Saturn ports (with some extra feature here and there like 3D acceleration support)...

Youtube footage pretty much shows how the games looked like and I don't see what's wrong with it.

"But on a old CRT TV it's different" - yea, I know pretty much how old systems look on it as I still use one myself...

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here but I can tell you that none of my old console systems look as good on the TV as they look emulated...

(save perhaps the SNES which does look better on TV; Altho there exists now something called "CRT filter" which basically matches, if not outmatches, TV quality)

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Actually I played the PC ports which were pretty much direct Saturn ports (with some extra feature here and there like 3D acceleration support)...

Youtube footage pretty much shows how the games looked like and I don't see what's wrong with it.

"But on a old CRT TV it's different" - yea, I know pretty much how old systems look on it as I still use one myself...

nameless12345

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here but I can tell you that none of my old console systems look as good on the TV as they look emulated...

(save perhaps the SNES which does look better on TV)

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] playing the PC ports means nothing, I played VF2 on the PC , and it does not look , or feel the same as the Saturn version , so thats nothing. youtube footage has all sorts of problems ranging from quality and encoding, to not seeing any decent amount of the game. its not even a matter of a CRT or not, I use an LCD (albeit an older one) , and when you play a system natively , instead or resorting to emulators, you end up understanding the quirks and how the games look and run. so no , you don't know that much (or I certainly haven't heard much)Darkman2007

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here but I can tell you that none of my old console systems look as good on the TV as they look emulated...

(save perhaps the SNES which does look better on TV)

I'm not really familiar with Saturn emulation but saying that PC ports and youtube cannot give you any idea how Saturn games looked like is ridiculous...

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here but I can tell you that none of my old console systems look as good on the TV as they look emulated...

(save perhaps the SNES which does look better on TV)

nameless12345

I'm not really familiar with Saturn emulation but saying that PC ports and youtube cannot give you any idea how Saturn games looked like is ridiculous...

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and for the most part, the Saturn never emulates properly, the quality is all over the place. Im not sure whats so hard to understand , sure watching some videos and emulation will give you an idea, but don't expect to say too many smart things.Darkman2007

I'm not really familiar with Saturn emulation but saying that PC ports and youtube cannot give you any idea how Saturn games looked like is ridiculous...

Youtube footage exposes all the pixelation and shortcommings of Satty's 3D visuals, that's why you don't like it. ;) :P

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I'm not really familiar with Saturn emulation but saying that PC ports and youtube cannot give you any idea how Saturn games looked like is ridiculous...

nameless12345

Youtube footage exposes all the pixelation and shortcommings of Satty's 3D visuals, that's why you don't like it. ;) :P

YouTube introduces artifacts. Emulation isn't even displaying the software properly. I don't understand how this is being argued. N64 can be emulated--in result providing an ultra sharp Mario 64. However the game was not as such. Also,pc ports, seriously?Heirren

Many youtube vids display higher quality picture than the actual console so...

Yes, it does show how the games looked like.

However, this thread derailed quite a lot.

The point was not what I know about the Saturn.

bultje brought that up because he was butthurt when I said that Saturn couldn't handle VF3 nearly close to arcade (which is a fact, regarless of what you want to believe).

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

@Darkman2007, what's your take on Burning Rangers if you've played it? Worth getting?

Darkman2007

Thanks, man, it's not long now until i have this system. I've seen a few of these around fleamarkets last weekend, and i have two choices. I either get one already modded off the net, or get one cheaper around here and mod it myself. I know about that 4 in 1 action replay cart, but i've heard it's better to just mod a Saturn because the japanese version of Panzer Dragoon doesn't work with that cart.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

lol@thinking VF3 on Saturn could look much better than VF2 with 3D backgrounds.

Saturn couldn't run even VF2 arcade perfect so thinking it could handle VF3 anywhere close to arcade is silly.

Maybe with a 3D accelerator addon it could be done on it but that would arguably cost too much (the game would cost 100$ or more).

Also Burning Rangers looks nice but has too much clipping and texture warping.

I still think NiGHTS is the best-looking 3D game on Saturn.

nameless12345

lol @ someone who has never even owned or played a saturn, yet talks as if he knows it all. burning rangers doesn't have excessive clipping. any other 3d platformer of the day was similar in that. in fact your beloved n64 might have had the worst clipping issues in many of it's 3d games. especially the wrestlinggames. but pls, show me a multitude of clipping issues on burning rangers. youtube is full of burning rangers videos, so should be easy for you :roll:

vf2 was in 1995. vf3 was in 1998. by then sega knew much better how to work the saturn. especially am2, who were working on it.

So if I haven't played the Saturn but played it's ports on other systems and saw youtube footage I cannot comment on it?

Okay...

The clipping in Burning Rangers, from what I've seen of it, was quite excessive (much more so than in Mario 64 for example).

But I won't search for vids to "proove" something to you because I don't feel like so.

And you'll find some excuse anyway ("on real Saturn is different, blah blah blah")...

VF3 still wouldn't look close to arcade version, even if they made it run in 320x240@30fps and taxed the hardware to the max.

It would be, simply put, impossible.

Even the DC version had some cuts made and that was 10 times stronger than Saturn.

yes

YouTube introduces artifacts. Emulation isn't even displaying the software properly. I don't understand how this is being argued. N64 can be emulated--in result providing an ultra sharp Mario 64. However the game was not as such. Also,pc ports, seriously?Heirren

thank you. can finally agree with you

Virtua Fighter 3 on Saturn? Hahahahahahahah, please.Heirren

You know, right?

The only thing that leaked of VF3 on Saturn was this CGI vid that some Sega fans tried to pass as legit Saturn graphics (lol):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya1YXGkwRP4

You gotta get the DC version if you want the real deal or better yet this:

Then you will be

j/k :P

that fmv video looks increidible though for saturn. still look at dead or alive. looked better than the psx version and had greta graphics. I'm sure virtua fighter would've looked even better than that. no company has ever come close to getting the maximum out of saturn. even with psx it took 6 years.

that fmv video looks increidible though for saturn. still look at dead or alive. looked better than the psx version and had greta graphics. I'm sure virtua fighter would've looked even better than that. no company has ever come close to getting the maximum out of saturn. even with psx it took 6 years.

bultje112

If you had to boil it down to 2 or 3, what's the most impressive thing the Saturn has done, visually? Heirren

If you had to boil it down to 2 or 3, what's the most impressive thing the Saturn has done, visually? Heirren

burning rangers, street fighter 3(looks better than dreamcast) and x-men vs street fighter I think.

also panzer dragoon saga I would name although it is unregular, but especially the later dragon levels are so beauitful and vast. especially the ruins of uru

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rc8Hh1Epxo&feature=relmfu

[QUOTE="Heirren"]If you had to boil it down to 2 or 3, what's the most impressive thing the Saturn has done, visually? Darkman2007

Question for Mr. Darkman - do you think Saturn could handle SF3?

As in, not Alpha 3 but the real SF3.

I read the arcade version runs on what seems to be a single SH2 CPU and Saturn had two of those (even the 32X did actually).

Question for Mr. Darkman - do you think Saturn could handle SF3?

As in, not Alpha 3 but the real SF3.

I read the arcade version runs on what seems to be a single SH2 CPU and Saturn had two of those (even the 32X did actually).

nameless12345

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Heirren"]If you had to boil it down to 2 or 3, what's the most impressive thing the Saturn has done, visually? Heirren

Question for Mr. Darkman - do you think Saturn could handle SF3?

As in, not Alpha 3 but the real SF3.

I read the arcade version runs on what seems to be a single SH2 CPU and Saturn had two of those (even the 32X did actually).

nameless12345