SNES vs Sega Genesis/Mega Drive [poll added]

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#201 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

Type Super Nintendo into google, see how many search results you get.

Now do the same for Sega Genisis.

There you go, google isnt just english sites, thats pretty worldwide. There is nothing else I can do...

Valknut4

:lol:

you do know that the sega genesis was called mega drive in the rest of the world right?

and really google search results? now I know you're trolling

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#202 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

It is still very telling. Europe doesn't have access to youtube, or a similar type of site?

Heirren

it does, though as I stated before, each european country has it's own youtube and I'm not entirely certain just how popular speedruns are outside the US and Japan

But what does that say about each respected system?

that one was popular in the US and Japan and the other was popular in Europe and south America

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#203 Posted by bultje112 (1868 posts) -

Type Super Nintendo into google, see how many search results you get.

Now do the same for Sega Genisis.

There you go, google isnt just english sites, thats pretty worldwide. There is nothing else I can do...

Valknut4

lol you seem stuck in america's ass way too far, you doin't even know that outsisde of usa and canada nobody knows what a sega genesis is

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#204 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

Type Super Nintendo into google, see how many search results you get.

Now do the same for Sega Genisis.

There you go, google isnt just english sites, thats pretty worldwide. There is nothing else I can do...

bultje112

lol you seem stuck in america's ass way too far, you doin't even know that outsisde of usa and canada nobody knows what a sega genesis is

and in the end, all he's doing is arguing popularity

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#205 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

Type Super Nintendo into google, see how many search results you get.

Now do the same for Sega Genisis.

There you go, google isnt just english sites, thats pretty worldwide. There is nothing else I can do...

rilpas

lol you seem stuck in america's ass way too far, you doin't even know that outsisde of usa and canada nobody knows what a sega genesis is

and in the end, all he's doing is arguing popularity

Partially, perhaps, but also that people are still actively playing the games. Perhaps people have tired of sega games, or left them in their youth, who knows.

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#206 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

lol you seem stuck in america's ass way too far, you doin't even know that outsisde of usa and canada nobody knows what a sega genesis is

Heirren

and in the end, all he's doing is arguing popularity

Partially, perhaps, but also that people are still actively playing the games. Perhaps people have tired of sega games, or left them in their youth, who knows.

feel free to provide evidence for that

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#207 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

and in the end, all he's doing is arguing popularity

rilpas

Partially, perhaps, but also that people are still actively playing the games. Perhaps people have tired of sega games, or left them in their youth, who knows.

feel free to provide evidence for that

Are you being serious? The speed runs. The games still have big followings.

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#208 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Partially, perhaps, but also that people are still actively playing the games. Perhaps people have tired of sega games, or left them in their youth, who knows.

Heirren

feel free to provide evidence for that

Are you being serious? The speed runs. The games still have big followings.

so you're saying that aren't genesis speed runs?

Valknut's logic was that the SNES was better because his website had 166 SNES speed runs and 130 genesis speedruns

yes, massive difference there :roll:

yep, no speed runs at all

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#209 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

feel free to provide evidence for that

rilpas

Are you being serious? The speed runs. The games still have big followings.

so you're saying that aren't genesis speed runs?

Valknut's logic was that the SNES was better because his website had 166 SNES speed runs and 130 genesis speedruns

yes, massive difference there :roll:

yep, no speed runs at all

166 is more than 130. Okay I'll admit that isn't a huge difference. He gave the impression it was much greater!:)

Even still...FOUR controller ports? Stock six button gamepad? :D

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#210 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Are you being serious? The speed runs. The games still have big followings.

Heirren

so you're saying that aren't genesis speed runs?

Valknut's logic was that the SNES was better because his website had 166 SNES speed runs and 130 genesis speedruns

yes, massive difference there :roll:

yep, no speed runs at all

166 is more than 130. Okay I'll admit that isn't a huge difference. He gave the impression it was much greater!:)

Even still...FOUR controller ports? Stock six button gamepad? :D

mmm? what's this about controller ports, I'm lost now :S

as for the number, yes, it is more, then again that could be due to personal preference, then anything else

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#211 Posted by mahlasor (1278 posts) -

I feel sorry for anyone argueing with a guy whose name has the word "nut," in it. His argument was completely fallacious. Look the Genesis has a more speed, it was made to play arcade-like games. I think the Genesis attracted far more creative developers, games like MUSHA, Earthworm Jim, and Toejam & Earl were all on the Genesis. Yes Earthwrom Jim was ported the SNES, which I tried, and it was fail. One thing I notice is the Genesis had a more mature sound to its game, or lower tone, the Super Nintendo was more childish in its sound board.

By this "nut's" opinions, sheep are stronger animals than lions because there are more sheep. WELL I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU!!!! The Sega Genesis is the lion, and the Super Nintendo is the sheep. All Nintendo had to do is just release another console and there would be a nice bandwagon following. The Sega Genesis did not have a herd already pasturised, etc. They had to go from the mild popular Master system, though argueably because the Nes was definately better than that Master System.

Btw, I had both systems, but I ultimately am more attracted to the Genesis games after playing both systems extensively, it did not stop me from liking one over the other. You can not have two masters.:P I played and beat many Snes games, they were awesome, its just I always feel after beating a Super Nintendo game, that I really felt no need to play it any more. I actually think making the games longer actual had that effect, Genesis games were short and sweet, like arcade games always were.

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#212 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

I feel sorry for anyone argueing with a guy whose name has the word "nut," in it. His argument was completely fallacious. Look the Genesis has a more speed, it was made to play arcade-like games. I think the Genesis attracted far more creative developers, games like MUSHA, Earthworm Jim, and Toejam & Earl were all on the Genesis. Yes Earthwrom Jim was ported the SNES, which I tried, and it was fail. One thing I notice is the Genesis had a more mature sound to its game, or lower tone, the Super Nintendo was more childish in its sound board.

mahlasor

The Genesis doesn't actually have "more speed". The whole idea of the "Blast Processing" (which I'm assuming is why you think the Genesis has more speed) was nothng more than a marketing word. There's no such thing as Blast Processing. Also the sound board for the SNES is actually superior to the Genesis' soundboard. I can see someone preferring the sound on a Genesis, though. I didn't. There are exceptions, but a lot of games sounded very similar sounding on the Genesis, IMO. And I have to ask, how is Earthworm Jim on the SNES a fail? You don't like sharper graphics?

However I can agree that the Genesis did seem to attract more creative game developers. I remember the early Electronic Arts games, in particular, standing out with creative outings like Jungle Strike and Road Rash, as well as many of Sega's own first-party titles.

Personally, I think it's worth owning both systems. The SNES and the Genesis are 2 of the greatest and most reliable consoles ever made. They're also cheap and easy to find and collect for.

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#213 Posted by mahlasor (1278 posts) -

Actually the Genesis had a faster processor, that is why sport games played smoother on the Genesis. The Super Nintendo technically had superior sound (it did), but the way it was applied was more children oriented. My point is the Genesis had a more adult tone, play TMNT on both consoles and you will see what I mean. I bouht Earthworm Jim on the SNES and it felt sluggish, I payed more for the SNES game, I immediately wanted to go back to the Genesis. At that point, I understood why Earthworm Jim was crappy on a SNES emulator. Yes they are both worth owning, I should know, I did. Though in the end you will end up liking one more, and in my life of having tons of games, and someone wanting my games, I will get rid of the one that I feel I already got my fair share of gaming on. I even replaced the SNES batteries with games like Donkey Kong, Super Mario World, Super Punchout, and the Mario All Stars.

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#214 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

/\ Earthworm Jim is better on Genesis/\

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#215 Posted by mahlasor (1278 posts) -

^Thank you. The part that sucks about comparing these two is they were not really on equal footing, I feel the developers as a whole did not really push the Genesis until it was starting to die. Think about Vectorman. The Genesis kind of died. Five year console generation >_>. By the time developers learned to maximize the system potential, there was something else coming (32X).

edit: Why the hell am I putting so much thought into this. XD Oh well, I am bored perhaps.

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#216 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

^Thank you. The part that sucks about comparing these two is they were not really on equal footing, I feel the developers as a whole did not really push the Genesis until it was starting to die. Think about Vectorman. The Genesis kind of died. Five year console generation >_>. By the time developers learned to maximize the system potential, there was something else coming (32X).

edit: Why the hell am I putting so much thought into this. XD Oh well, I am bored perhaps.

mahlasor

The most advanced snes games demolish the genesis though. All the Disney games were also better on the genesis.

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#217 Posted by magnax1 (4605 posts) -

Actually the Genesis had a faster processor, that is why sport games played smoother on the Genesis. The Super Nintendo technically had superior sound (it did), but the way it was applied was more children oriented. My point is the Genesis had a more adult tone, play TMNT on both consoles and you will see what I mean. I bouht Earthworm Jim on the SNES and it felt sluggish, I payed more for the SNES game, I immediately wanted to go back to the Genesis. At that point, I understood why Earthworm Jim was crappy on a SNES emulator. Yes they are both worth owning, I should know, I did. Though in the end you will end up liking one more, and in my life of having tons of games, and someone wanting my games, I will get rid of the one that I feel I already got my fair share of gaming on. I even replaced the SNES batteries with games like Donkey Kong, Super Mario World, Super Punchout, and the Mario All Stars.

mahlasor

The Genesis had a faster CPU by a moderate amount, and the SNES had quite a bit better video processor. Of course SNES games just ended up looking better anyway you look at it, so it doesn't really matter.

As for the child oriented tone, I don't see it at all. More then anything, it's just a popular misconception.

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#218 Posted by ThE-JoKeR (7632 posts) -
Growing up, I traded these systems back and forth trying to keep up with the new titles that would come out. Now (and also being a collector), I have to say there's no doubt in my mind: SNES. Both systems are amazing, but SNES just tapped the right buttons in my head for outstanding platforming, side-scroller games.
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#219 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

I feel sorry for anyone argueing with a guy whose name has the word "nut," in it. His argument was completely fallacious. Look the Genesis has a more speed, it was made to play arcade-like games. I think the Genesis attracted far more creative developers, games like MUSHA, Earthworm Jim, and Toejam & Earl were all on the Genesis. Yes Earthwrom Jim was ported the SNES, which I tried, and it was fail. One thing I notice is the Genesis had a more mature sound to its game, or lower tone, the Super Nintendo was more childish in its sound board.

mahlasor

SNES sound chip was more "childish" ? Now I have heard everything :lol:

SNES had easily better graphics than MD/Genesis because it had a larger color palette and hardware support for scaling/rotation effects (i.e. "Mode 7") as well as a more advanced sound chip. The only thing the MD had over it was a faster main processor but that could be compensated with add-on chips on the SNES (such as DSP, SA-1, Super FX, ect.). As far as arcade games go - the TG-16 ports of Afterburner, OutRun and Space Harrier are actually better than the MD ones altho it's a little older system and generally seen as less capable. And I'm pretty sure SNES got it's fair share of "creative" games as well.

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#220 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

/\ Earthworm Jim is better on Genesis/\

Heirren

really? I always liked the SNES version better, better graphics and sound :P

and the thing about the snes sound chip being more childish...lol wut?

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#221 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

really? I always liked the SNES version better, better graphics and sound :P

and the thing about the snes sound chip being more childish...lol wut?

rilpas

I'm not actually a fanboy, and I don't know why I said four controller ports, either

SNES sound chip was more "childish" ? Now I have heard everything :lol:

SNES had easily better graphics than MD/Genesis because it had a larger color palette and hardware support for scaling/rotation effects (i.e. "Mode 7") as well as a more advanced sound chip. The only thing the MD had over it was a faster main processor but that could be compensated with add-on chips on the SNES (such as DSP, SA-1, Super FX, ect.). As far as arcade games go - the TG-16 ports of Afterburner, OutRun and Space Harrier are actually better than the MD ones altho it's a little older system and generally seen as less capable. And I'm pretty sure SNES got it's fair share of "creative" games as well.

nameless12345

I think I know what he is referring to. The very first model had a crispness to the audio. Perhaps the output frequency was a little bit higher, i don't know.

Also, you say easily better graphics, but then there are cases like Earthworm Jim, Aladdin, Lion King, and just about all of those "animated" type games. Someone else pointed out the EA games running smoother, and that is also true for the most part.

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#222 Posted by Lucianu (10283 posts) -

Gotta go with the Mega Drive. There are a ton of hidden gems there that i love, much more so than on the SNES.

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#223 Posted by Lucianu (10283 posts) -

Someone else pointed out the EA games running smoother, and that is also true for the most part.

Heirren

Most of the games i've tried run smoother, especially shoot 'em ups which are a pleasure on the eye due to them being very fluid. SNES had better graphics and worse speed, wile the Genesis had worse graphics and better speed, that's how i've always seen it.

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#224 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Someone else pointed out the EA games running smoother, and that is also true for the most part.

Lucianu

Most of the games i've tried run smoother, especially shoot 'em ups which are a pleasure on the eye due to them being very fluid. SNES had better graphics and worse speed, wile the Genesis had worse graphics and better speed, that's how i've always seen it.

Yeah I don't think I'd say most. As far as audio/visuals, the top snes games were leagues better than that of the genesis. I swear that first batch of genesis titles, Golden Axe for example, barely felt like a step up from the 8bit games. Contrast that with Super Mario World--that game was a release title and is better than anything on genesis.

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#225 Posted by Lucianu (10283 posts) -

Yeah I don't think I'd say most. As far as audio/visuals, the top snes games were leagues better than that of the genesis. I swear that first batch of genesis titles, Golden Axe for example, barely felt like a step up from the 8bit games. Contrast that with Super Mario World--that game was a release title and is better than anything on genesis.

Heirren

To each their own, i believe a lot of Genesis titles are far better than what's on the SNES, Super Mario World included (though Super Mario World 2 is infinitely better, and is the greatest 2D platformer on Earth).

I have both systems with a large collection to my choice's pleasure either way, and i often pick a title to play for a couple of hours wen i find some free time. The backlog i have on those systems is gigantic, given that i never played them before in their time.

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#226 Posted by Panzer_Zwei (15498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Someone else pointed out the EA games running smoother, and that is also true for the most part.

Heirren

Most of the games i've tried run smoother, especially shoot 'em ups which are a pleasure on the eye due to them being very fluid. SNES had better graphics and worse speed, wile the Genesis had worse graphics and better speed, that's how i've always seen it.

Yeah I don't think I'd say most. As far as audio/visuals, the top snes games were leagues better than that of the genesis. I swear that first batch of genesis titles, Golden Axe for example, barely felt like a step up from the 8bit games. Contrast that with Super Mario World--that game was a release title and is better than anything on genesis.

Ridiculous statement.

Show me anything on an 8-bit system that looks close to it.

You could look at the Master System and PC-ENGINE CD versions of the game to begin with. And those came out later, if I remember correctly.

If you think the MD wasn't a step up even in 1988 then you have a pretty messed up memory of how 8-bit games looked.

The Super Famicom came out years later. MD graphics also improved then.

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#227 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Most of the games i've tried run smoother, especially shoot 'em ups which are a pleasure on the eye due to them being very fluid. SNES had better graphics and worse speed, wile the Genesis had worse graphics and better speed, that's how i've always seen it.

Panzer_Zwei

Yeah I don't think I'd say most. As far as audio/visuals, the top snes games were leagues better than that of the genesis. I swear that first batch of genesis titles, Golden Axe for example, barely felt like a step up from the 8bit games. Contrast that with Super Mario World--that game was a release title and is better than anything on genesis.

Ridiculous statement.

Show me anything on an 8-bit system that looks close to it.

You could look at the Master System and PC-ENGINE CD versions of the game to begin with. And those came out later, if I remember correctly.

If you think the MD wasn't a step up even in 1988 then you have a pretty messed up memory of how 8-bit games looked.

The Super Famicom came out years later. MD graphics also improved then.

That looks like an emulator shot. It is hard to post old console shots as the native resolution is rather low.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o68IPyg3og

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#228 Posted by Panzer_Zwei (15498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Yeah I don't think I'd say most. As far as audio/visuals, the top snes games were leagues better than that of the genesis. I swear that first batch of genesis titles, Golden Axe for example, barely felt like a step up from the 8bit games. Contrast that with Super Mario World--that game was a release title and is better than anything on genesis.

Heirren

Ridiculous statement.

Show me anything on an 8-bit system that looks close to it.

You could look at the Master System and PC-ENGINE CD versions of the game to begin with. And those came out later, if I remember correctly.

If you think the MD wasn't a step up even in 1988 then you have a pretty messed up memory of how 8-bit games looked.

The Super Famicom came out years later. MD graphics also improved then.

That looks like an emulator shot. It is hard to post old console shots as the native resolution is rather low.

No problem :

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#229 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

Altered Beast Genesis

Altered Beast NES

I'll let these images speak for themselves

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#230 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Ridiculous statement.

Show me anything on an 8-bit system that looks close to it.

You could look at the Master System and PC-ENGINE CD versions of the game to begin with. And those came out later, if I remember correctly.

If you think the MD wasn't a step up even in 1988 then you have a pretty messed up memory of how 8-bit games looked.

The Super Famicom came out years later. MD graphics also improved then.

Panzer_Zwei

That looks like an emulator shot. It is hard to post old console shots as the native resolution is rather low.

No problem :

I'm still questioning those shots, but the first two look more akin to reality. I don't understand what you are trying to prove. I said I felt that some early genesis games barely looked better, and I still think that. Even visuals aside, Golden Axe sounds and animates horribly.

*lol at the blatant emulator shot above this post.

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#231 Posted by Panzer_Zwei (15498 posts) -

I'm still questioning those shots, but the first two look more akin to reality. I don't understand what you are trying to prove. I said I felt that some early genesis games barely looked better, and I still think that. Even visuals aside, Golden Axe sounds and animates horribly.

*lol at the blatant emulator shot above this post.

Heirren

I already said what I'm trying to prove : Your ridiculous statement that first-gen MD games only looked barely better than 8-bit games.

NES games all had small an undetailed character sprites and backgrounds, with barely any animation. There's no comparison.

You're really grasping for straws here, complaining about screenshots and such

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#232 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

*lol at the blatant emulator shot above this post.

Heirren

because the NES screenshot didn't come from an emulator amirite? :roll:

wake me up when you have a real argument

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#233 Posted by Another48hours (1970 posts) -
I actually agree with you Heirren. It was the step in the right direction, but to be honest the real jump didn't happen until Neo-Geo, 32X, Lynx, FX chip, CDi. Although I think what Zwei is thinking is that your saying there isn't a noticeable jump at all.
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#234 Posted by Another48hours (1970 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I'm still questioning those shots, but the first two look more akin to reality. I don't understand what you are trying to prove. I said I felt that some early genesis games barely looked better, and I still think that. Even visuals aside, Golden Axe sounds and animates horribly.

*lol at the blatant emulator shot above this post.

Panzer_Zwei

I already said what I'm trying to prove : Your ridiculous statement that first-gen MD games only looked barely better than 8-bit games.

NES games all had small an undetailed character sprites and backgrounds, with barely any animation. There's no comparison.

You're really grasping for straws here, complaining about screenshots and such

Oh he said barely looked better ok. I can see that with the Turbografx-16 for consoles but not the NES. Or the Action Max but that thing was........

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#235 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

*lol at the blatant emulator shot above this post.

rilpas

because the NES screenshot didn't come from an emulator amirite? :roll:

wake me up when you have a real argument

My argument was that a number of initial genesis games barely looked better than NES. Golden Axe, when played on an actual genesis, is a rather atrocious game in every respect. Sound, Video, and animation are very lackluster. I posted a video a few posts back showing an NES game--yes, not as good looking, but with better animation. I am in no way saying that the NES produced visuals better than that of the genesis. It was a means to compare it[genesis] to the SNES. The snes never really had this problem--the launch games still look great.

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#236 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

My argument was that a number of initial genesis games barely looked better than NES. Golden Axe, when played on an actual genesis, is a rather atrocious game in every respect. Sound, Video, and animation are very lackluster. I posted a video a few posts back showing an NES game--yes, not as good looking, but with better animation. I am in no way saying that the NES produced visuals better than that of the genesis. It was a means to compare it to the SNES. The snes never really had this problem--the launch games still look great.

Heirren

except it doesn't and you have yet to provide any proof of that show me an NES game that displays 64 on screen on colours

also, Gradius III for the SNES looks like a master system game

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#237 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

My argument was that a number of initial genesis games barely looked better than NES. Golden Axe, when played on an actual genesis, is a rather atrocious game in every respect. Sound, Video, and animation are very lackluster. I posted a video a few posts back showing an NES game--yes, not as good looking, but with better animation. I am in no way saying that the NES produced visuals better than that of the genesis. It was a means to compare it to the SNES. The snes never really had this problem--the launch games still look great.

rilpas

except it doesn't and you have yet to provide any proof of that show me an NES game that displays 64 on screen on colours

The animation is much better--it is far more fluid. What you just said gives me the impression you did not understand a word of my prior post.

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#238 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

My argument was that a number of initial genesis games barely looked better than NES. Golden Axe, when played on an actual genesis, is a rather atrocious game in every respect. Sound, Video, and animation are very lackluster. I posted a video a few posts back showing an NES game--yes, not as good looking, but with better animation. I am in no way saying that the NES produced visuals better than that of the genesis. It was a means to compare it to the SNES. The snes never really had this problem--the launch games still look great.

Heirren

except it doesn't and you have yet to provide any proof of that show me an NES game that displays 64 on screen on colours

The animation is much better--it is far more fluid. What you just said gives me the impression you did not understand a word of my prior post.

so in other words, you can't show me an NES game with 64 on screen colours? alright

can you show me one with any of these resolutions , 256×448, 320×224, 320×448 while displaying 64 on screen colours?

oh and can you show me a brawler on the NES that displays 64 on screen colours, with the previously mentioned resolutions, that allows for digitiged voices AND two players?

on of these is not like the other

besides, if anything, it was the SNES games that looked like 8bit games

Gradius III? looks like a master system game

and I've yet to see you backup your claims

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#239 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

except it doesn't and you have yet to provide any proof of that show me an NES game that displays 64 on screen on colours

rilpas

The animation is much better--it is far more fluid. What you just said gives me the impression you did not understand a word of my prior post.

so in other words, you can't show me an NES game with 64 on screen colours? alright

can you show me one with any of these resolutions 56×224, 256×448, 320×224, 320×448 while displaying 64 on screen colours?

oh and can you show me a brawler on the NES that displays 64 on screen colours, with the previously mentioned resolutions, that allows for digitiged voices AND two players?

on of these is not like the other

besides, if anything, it was the SNES games that looked like 8bit games

Gradius III? looks like a master system game

and I've yet to see you backup your claims

I no longer think you understand my point. Also, that last genesis shot is a fake--genesis did NOT output 640x480.

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#240 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

The animation is much better--it is far more fluid. What you just said gives me the impression you did not understand a word of my prior post.

Heirren

so in other words, you can't show me an NES game with 64 on screen colours? alright

can you show me one with any of these resolutions 56×224, 256×448, 320×224, 320×448 while displaying 64 on screen colours?

oh and can you show me a brawler on the NES that displays 64 on screen colours, with the previously mentioned resolutions, that allows for digitiged voices AND two players?

on of these is not like the other

besides, if anything, it was the SNES games that looked like 8bit games

Gradius III? looks like a master system game

and I've yet to see you backup your claims

I no longer think you understand my point. Also, that last genesis shot is a fake--genesis did NOT output 640x480.

All I see someone who makes unfounded claims and uses strawmen arguments

there:

baby feel better now? :roll:

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#241 Posted by Panzer_Zwei (15498 posts) -

Your point was ridiculous to begin with. And these type of comparisons are unfair for both systems.

The Mega Drive looked and sounded generation above what the 8-bit systems had to offer at that time. And those times were still the 80s.

The Super Famicom first-gen games had better graphics? Oh really? They damned better had since the system came out two years later in late 1990. By that time MD quality had also improved.

I don't know if you were around in the 80s or not, but your delusional if you think the MD wasn't regarded as a remarkable step into the new 16-bit realm back then.

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#242 Posted by Another48hours (1970 posts) -

Your point was ridiculous to begin with. And these type of comparisons are unfair for both systems.

The Mega Drive looked and sounded generation above what the 8-bit systems had to offer at that time. And those times were still the 80s.

The Super Famicom first-gen games had better graphics? Oh really? They damned better had since the system came out two years later in late 1990. By that time MD quality had also improved.

I don't know if you were around in the 80s or not, but your delusional if you think the MD wasn't regarded as a remarkable step into the new 16-bit realm back then.

Panzer_Zwei

Lynx and Turbo are pretty close but I agree it was the step in the right direction, although it barely improved from that during its life-span until the add-ons.

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#243 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

I wish there was a "both" option. I would have voted both, since I love both systems. But since I didn't have a choice, I chose SNES because if for some weird reason I was forced to choose one or the other I would choose SNES because of 4 games I just couldn't live without: Super Mario World, Super Metroid, X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse, and Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past.

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#244 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

Altered Beast Genesis

Altered Beast NES

I'll let these images speak for themselves

rilpas

When was Altered Beast released on NES? I thought it was only on Arcade, Genesis, and Master System.

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#245 Posted by Panzer_Zwei (15498 posts) -

Barely improved? Are you joking me?

This is why I don't like engaging these sort of comparison threads, because they always end up in twisted pointless and biased arguments.

Everyone has already their mind set up in the first place, and its not going to change no matter what.

I only got here because that one point seemed ridiculous to me, but I'll stop now by only saying that to what I'm concerned there was nothing back then like the experience of playing THE SUPER SHINOBI for the first time in your room with your headphones at full volume.

If you think any FC/NES games could've rivaled that new 16-bit experience back then good for you. If you liked the SFC more good for you as well.

Personally, I'd take the PC-ENGINE over the SFC any old day, anyway.

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#246 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Altered Beast Genesis

Altered Beast NES

I'll let these images speak for themselves

Emerald_Warrior

When was Altered Beast released on NES? I thought it was only on Arcade, Genesis, and Master System.

according to Wikipedia, July 1990

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#247 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

I see it, for the Famicom. That's the Japanese version. So it never did come out on the NES.

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#248 Posted by Another48hours (1970 posts) -

Barely improved? Are you joking me?

This is why I don't like engaging these sort of comparison threads, because they always end up in twisted pointless and biased arguments.

Everyone has already their mind set up in the first place, and its not going to change no matter what.

I only got here because that one point seemed ridiculous to me, but I'll stop now by only saying that to what I'm concerned there was nothing back then like the experience of playing THE SUPER SHINOBI for the first time in your room with your headphones at full volume.

If you think any FC/NES games could've rivaled that new 16-bit experience back then good for you. If you liked the SFC more good for you as well.

Personally, I'd take the PC-ENGINE over the SFC any old day, anyway.

Panzer_Zwei

By Barely Improved I am comparing it with the Turbo early on before all the 16 bit consoles came out. I was talking in general, he was talking about only the NES. THAT'S insane talk as the NEs wasn;t even the strongest 8-bit system BEFORE the turbo came out. Now if we are talking IN GENERAL it could partially be debated. Calm down.

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#249 Posted by Another48hours (1970 posts) -

I see it, for the Famicom. That's the Japanese version. So it never did come out on the NES.

Emerald_Warrior
Toploader import.
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#250 Posted by Emerald_Warrior (6581 posts) -

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

I see it, for the Famicom. That's the Japanese version. So it never did come out on the NES.

Another48hours

Toploader import.

Okay, but it still never did come out on NES.