Smartphone games and grim future of the industry

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#1 Lembu90
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While not the first mobile phone with touchscreen on the market, iPhone revolutionize the smartphone market and its rivals, Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Sony, etc followed as well and the button-based mobile phones went extinct after that. Most interestingly its ability to download countless of games and other applications in its stores, as long as the phone's hard disk space permits them. Like it or not smartphones changed our lives in less than a decade ago. Almost all of us have at least have one of them. We can watch our favorite movies and TV shows on the go. Kids can watch their favorite cartoons anytime, anywhere they wanted as long as their parents allowed them to. In fact it could be one of major reason behind the demise of Saturday morning cartoon slots. In this article I'm going to cover the issues behind smartphone games and its grim future to video game industry itself.

Children are easy targets

Perhaps the true target audiences of smartphone games are children under 12. Unlike the earlier generations including us they never grown up with PCs and consoles but rather with smartphones and tablets which both pretty much the same thing. While we might remember when we were kids and want to buy some new games in the local game stores, we usually accompanied by our parents or guardians or older siblings to do most of the business for us but with smartphones and something like game store applications conveniently bypass all of that. Today's kids can download as many games they wants without need to ask their parents or guardians first. All they need are smartphone itself and fast internet connection. Since most of the games are free to download and their parents or guardians aren't alerted until microtransactions were made. Most of the games are usually based on their favorite comic book or cartoon characters such as DC and Marvel superheroes, Disney, Naruto, Despicable Me etc. Most of those games usually have some sort of limitations on how many time you can play them in a day and it is a good way to tell its players, usually children to stop playing and go to school or bed or do their homework etc. Unfortunately this also creates a huge problem when they run out of in-game energy when less than hour worth of free time left before school or bed. Some of them may stole their parents' credit cards just to keep on playing. In fact some games such as Candy Crush have been accused of forcing players to buy extra energy in order to advance. Unfortunately there still too many unscrupulous publishers and developers using this tactic and somehow got away with it pretty often. Children are in fact easy targets for them.

They are also targeting adults as well

The smartphone game publishers and developers are also targeting adults as well. They probably start with housewives and office ladies. Why? Because housewives have lots of free time compared to most other people and office ladies are constantly on to move, bringing their phones wherever they go. The games that these people usually played are simple puzzle and memory games, hidden objects, something based on their favorite celebrities such as Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift for examples and otome visual novels, which is popular among Asian women. As adults they already have money of their own and no need to ask for permission to make some in-game microtransactions. In the end these people probably spent more money than average "hardcore" gamer do in a month. No wonder why the publishers and developers loved grown women more than children, in sucking out their money of course. Those publishers also target grown men as well with their pornographic games. Take Nutaku for example which become the main provider for such games and what games they did offer? Clash of Clans clone with porn, Advance Wars/Fire Emblem clone with porn, Super Robot Wars clone with porn, tower defense game with porn and the list could go on.

My real issues with smartphone games

Smartphone games are much like junk food. They usually mass-produced, highly addictive, too little lasting values and disappears rather quickly. The most infuriating of them all is how they "encourage" you to buy overpriced in-game items in order to prevent you from being bullied by other players. By buying their overpowered armor and weapon at ridiculous prices you can be a bully yourself. Majority of those games usually don't have long lifespan. Imagine how much your money lost when your favorite games were shut down by their own developers after several years playing them. Smartphones, like PCs, are not subject of censorship and it only matters of time before some far-right racist screwnuts start making their own version of Hatred on smartphones and some numbskulls with severe addiction to yandere fetishes to make their own version of Yandere Simulator on the smartphones(again). Of course some well-crafted smartphone games made by more trusted developers do exists but unfortunately they are usually drowned in the sea of crappy free-to-download "games" that constantly asking you to make microtransactions in any available opportunity.

The grim future of video game industry as whole

What happened if smartphone games took over the industry and destroyed others in process? Sony probably stopped making consoles and video games and back to manufacture non-gaming electronic appliances and their own brand of smartphones. Microsoft also stopped making video games and consoles, probably focusing on making newer Windows operating systems. Nintendo were demoted from first party console manufacture into third party developer and publisher for smartphone games, just like its old enemy Sega in early 2000s. The PC gaming may still exists but only limited to some indie developers with their home-brewed games, constantly exchanging them on the internet. Steam, Origin and UPlay probably no longer exists as their companies, Valve, Electronic Arts, Ubisoft respectively are already out of their business. Smartphones reign supreme as no more competition from other gaming platforms and people continue to pour money to the publishers. A sad world for those who aren't into smartphone games like myself.

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@lembu90: I think mobile versus the mainline gaming industry is a dated argument that peeked in 2006 and understandably gone away, since proven not to be the same market remotely. I think worldwide sales say everything, as do the business practices used on both.

People who spend money or buy mobile devices/ games don't hurt the sales of mainline games/ platforms.

Game sales on PS4/ X1/ Switch/ P.C. are as healthy now as they have been for many, many years.

One day, mobile maybe the only platform, but I doubt it. Clunky controls, rushed software, lack of quality, and designed around gambling addiction. It's a very different appeal, and while I have some mobile games, they're a last resort to kill time. Nothing more. I don't think everyone shares my example, but think enough/ a large amount follow a similar example, and that's why mainline gaming remains relevant.

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I think its time for people to not make excuses by demanding protection from being stupid but rather open a book and start to learn

education is very helpful antidote to being scammed.

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@tryit said:

education is very helpful antidote to being scammed.

People get scammed every day regardless of the mobile industry. And while I agree a little extra knowledge builds wisdom.

Some people are simply easy targets. And these are the kind of people who are exploited.

No amount of education would fix that. Nothing wrong with these people, they just have somekind of psychological symptom, like a gambling addiction or blissfully naive and have an overly trusting personality.

If anything these kind of people need friends or family to help them when taken advantage.

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@RSM-HQ said:
@tryit said:

education is very helpful antidote to being scammed.

People get scammed every day regardless of the mobile industry. And while I agree a little extra knowledge builds wisdom.

Some people are simply easy targets. And these are the kind of people who are exploited.

No amount of education would fix that. Nothing wrong with these people, they just have somekind of psychological symptom, like a gambling addiction or blissfully naive and have an overly trusting personality.

If anything these kind of people need friends or family to help them when taken advantage.

I think even the outcome of the latest election we need to focus more on the education and less on protection.

that is my view and it aint changin

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I was worried that Smartphones may take over real games but I dont think it will happen. Smartphone gaming is just a gateway for children to get into real gaming. I saw this effect with my nephew. He use to play an Ipad and now its all PS4.

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@loganx77 said:

I was worried that Smartphones may take over real games but I dont think it will happen. Smartphone gaming is just a gateway for children to get into real gaming. I saw this effect with my nephew. He use to play an Ipad and now its all PS4.

how did you think a 5inch screen was going to decimate traditional games?

people just have no critical thinking skills at all anymore

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@tryit: An I pad is a 10 inch screen and with a HDMI adapter it can be whatever you want.

Yes your right some people do lack critical thinking skills (such as yourself).

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@tryit: Never stated I was changing your opinion, I'm just pointing out a lack of education isn't the sole reason these business practices are successful.

I partly agree, but also don't acknowledge it as a sole solution.

The world isn't blatantly black and white, it's in shades of grey.

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@tryit: Never stated I was changing your opinion, I'm just pointing out a lack of education isn't the sole reason these business practices are successful.

I partly agree, but also don't acknowledge it as a sole solution.

The world isn't blatantly black and white, it's in shades of grey.

yes I agree with that.

I just think the main problem more so then other problems is stupidity which is curable.

we are not arguing black and white but rather which direction the shade of grey goes :)

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@loganx77 said:

@tryit: An I pad is a 10 inch screen and with a HDMI adapter it can be whatever you want.

Yes your right some people do lack critical thinking skills (such as yourself).

lol..

your going to throw out the hyper powerful PC or laptop and instead hook up a TV screen to a 10" tablet and that is the threat to proper gaming.

people these days....

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@tryit: Well you can blame the world for being stupid if you like, it's a public forum, your opinion, and harms no one. Yet if you wanted that message to actually work? that's not really a good way to encourage increased volumes of educated individuals.

Spite only builds further spite. And bigotry is deemed anti-social.

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@RSM-HQ said:

@tryit: Well you can blame the world for being stupid if you like, it's a public forum, your opinion, and harms no one. Yet if you wanted that message to actually work? that's not really a good way to encourage increased volumes of educated individuals.

Spite only builds further spite. And bigotry is deemed anti-social.

ok look if a problem is made up of different componets lets say for example:

20% X

30% Y

40% Z

I am suggesting we spend more time focused on Z then we do X and the very fact that I have to explain this in this idiotic manner is evidence that we REALLY need to focus on Z

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@tryit said:

I think even the outcome of the latest election we need to focus more on the education and less on protection.

that is my view and it aint changin

This is a gaming related discussion_

Just a hint; English isn't my primary language. I'm clearly not from the same part of the world as you, so whichever Election mentioned, isn't reflective of my well-being.

So please don't bring politics into this. and visit Off-Topic if you want to be political. Thank you.

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@RSM-HQ said:
@tryit said:

I think even the outcome of the latest election we need to focus more on the education and less on protection.

that is my view and it aint changin

This is a gaming related discussion_

Just a hint; English isn't my primary language. I'm clearly not from the same part of the world as you, so whichever Election mentioned, isn't reflective of my well-being.

So please don't bring politics into this. and visit Off-Topic if you want to be political. Thank you.

oh for the love of god would you just focus on my point?

see conversations like this is EXACTLY why I think its more important to invest in educating people then it is to protect them from being stupid.

scammy tactics work on stupid people. it really is that simple

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@tryit said:

ok look if a problem is made up of different componets lets say for example:

20% X

30% Y

40% Z

I am suggesting we spend more time focused on Z then we do X and the very fact that I have to explain this in this idiotic manner is evidence that we REALLY need to focus on Z

For someone who's making out that I'm "idiotic" maybe you should learn how to spell >components<.

And English isn't even my primary language.

Perhaps you should read more yourself, instead of pretending to be a smart guy.

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@RSM-HQ said:
@tryit said:

ok look if a problem is made up of different componets lets say for example:

20% X

30% Y

40% Z

I am suggesting we spend more time focused on Z then we do X and the very fact that I have to explain this in this idiotic manner is evidence that we REALLY need to focus on Z

For someone who's making out that I'm "idiotic" maybe you should learn how to spell >components<.

And English isn't even my primary language.

Perhaps you should read more yourself, instead of pretending to be a smart guy.

and AGAIN proving my point when you think spelling is more important that the point I am illustrating.

you just provided me MORE evidence.

Scammy tactics work on stupid people. FULL STOP, simple as that.

more stupid people, more fall for scams..simple

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When iOS and Android burst on the scene almost a decade ago, many of their proponents gleefully predicted the extinction of PCs and Windows laptops by 2016-2017.

Well, it's 2018 and their BS is just that, BS. My suggestion? Quit predicting the demise of anything and just enjoy gaming on your favorite device.

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@tryit:

Scammy tactics work on stupid people. FULL STOP, simple as that.

more stupid people, more fall for scams..simple

Starting to think you're having a conversation with yourself, because you haven't read anything I posted. For someone who 'apparently' encourages reading, you do little of it.

Already mentioned it's more than that, because it's not as simple as 'everyone is dumb'.

I understand you perfectly, you're blaming people you deem "stupid", and you clearly don't understand how big a factor psychological symptoms can be.

Do you know what 'addiction' is @try?

Or is this the part you ignore me again, call me "idiotic" (while making basic spelling errors), bring up your countries politics, and stroke your own ego?

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@RSM-HQ said:

@tryit:

Scammy tactics work on stupid people. FULL STOP, simple as that.

more stupid people, more fall for scams..simple

Starting to think you're having a conversation with yourself, because you haven't read anything I posted. For someone who 'apparently' encourages reading, you do little of it.

Already mentioned it's more than that, because it's not as simple as 'everyone is dumb'.

I understand you perfectly, you're blaming people you deem "stupid", and you clearly don't understand how big a factor psychological symptoms can be.

Do you know what 'addiction' is @try?

Or is this the part you ignore me again, call me "idiotic" (while making basic spelling errors), bring up your countries politics, and stroke your own ego?

ad hominem

'directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.'

I have stated very clearly what I mean, you very clearly do not understand which is very clearly just proving my point.

scams work on stupid people, they do not work on clever people.

more stupid people you have, the more scams you have.

what many stupid people dont know is that you can change. a stupid person can become smart.

but not by asking everyone else to protect them from their stupidity.

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@jun_aka_pekto said:

My suggestion? Quit predicting the demise of anything and just enjoy gaming on your favorite device.

I agree. Enjoyment is the key factor most play games, and certainly the reason I enjoy gaming so much.

How some lose sight of this is beyond me_

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@RSM-HQ said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:

My suggestion? Quit predicting the demise of anything and just enjoy gaming on your favorite device.

I agree. Enjoyment is the key factor most play games, and certainly the reason I enjoy gaming so much.

How some lose sight of this is beyond me_

a lot of people have, at least people who post on video game sites. They care more about dev communication, dev honesty, reliable release dates, day 1 stability, pricing models, community anymore then actual game play.

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@tryit said:

a lot of people have, at least people who post on video game sites. They care more about dev communication, dev honesty, reliable release dates, day 1 stability, pricing models, community anymore then actual game play.

All those (or the lack of them) are common to all platforms since I can remember even before there was mobile gaming as we know it. Why single out the mobile platform as the cause of a grim future?

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@jun_aka_pekto said:
@tryit said:

a lot of people have, at least people who post on video game sites. They care more about dev communication, dev honesty, reliable release dates, day 1 stability, pricing models, community anymore then actual game play.

All those (or the lack of them) are common to all platforms since I can remember even before there was mobile gaming as we know it. Why single out the mobile platform as the cause of a grim future?

not really related to what he was saying specifically and what I was responding to specifically. at least I dont think it does

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@tryit said:
@RSM-HQ said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:

My suggestion? Quit predicting the demise of anything and just enjoy gaming on your favorite device.

I agree. Enjoyment is the key factor most play games, and certainly the reason I enjoy gaming so much.

How some lose sight of this is beyond me_

a lot of people have, at least people who post on video game sites. They care more about dev communication, dev honesty, reliable release dates, day 1 stability, pricing models, community anymore then actual game play.

So much proof provided for such an outlandish theory.

I personally judge my games on gameplay first before valuing the game on any-other level. And pretty sure I'm on a game site right now; also on EZA, gamefaqs, and 4gamer. Maybe I just like chatting with people who follow a similar interest?

Is this the part you tell me I don't like games for gameplay @Try? lol

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@RSM-HQ said:
@tryit said:
@RSM-HQ said:
@jun_aka_pekto said:

My suggestion? Quit predicting the demise of anything and just enjoy gaming on your favorite device.

I agree. Enjoyment is the key factor most play games, and certainly the reason I enjoy gaming so much.

How some lose sight of this is beyond me_

a lot of people have, at least people who post on video game sites. They care more about dev communication, dev honesty, reliable release dates, day 1 stability, pricing models, community anymore then actual game play.

So much proof provided for such an outlandish theory.

I personally judge my games on gameplay first before valuing the game on any-other level. And pretty sure I'm on a game site right now; also on EZA, gamefaqs, and 4gamer. Maybe I just like chatting with people who follow a similar interest?

Is this the part you tell me I don't like games @Try? lol

'outlandish theory'?

lol

and again with the ad hominem attacks...what is up with that?

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@tryit: PC's and laptops play mostly the same types of games as comsoles. Im worried about the shitty shovelware that still manages to make millions which can be found mostly on mobile. It's sad how people can be so addicted to something as shitty as candy crush but the good thing is core gamers will always exist.

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@loganx77 said:

@tryit: PC's and laptops play mostly the same types of games as comsoles. Im worried about the shitty shovelware that still manages to make millions which can be found mostly on mobile. It's sad how people can be so addicted to something as shitty as candy crush but the good thing is core gamers will always exist.

that is interesting but different than what we were talking about awhile ago.

anyway..I watch videos of many AAA titles and I got to say guys...its not something to brag about. Most of it is just spamming buttons

but anyway that is a different conversation

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anyway..I watch videos of many AAA titles and I got to say guys...its not something to brag about. Most of it is just spamming buttons

but anyway that is a different conversation

What are these games that involve spamming buttons; And what people brag about? I'm curious on your hands-on gaming knowledge after watching a video

May not be relevant to the OP but neither was politics, so please continue.

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@RSM-HQ said:
@tryit said:

anyway..I watch videos of many AAA titles and I got to say guys...its not something to brag about. Most of it is just spamming buttons

but anyway that is a different conversation

What are these games that involve spamming buttons; And what people brag about? I'm curious on your hands-on gaming knowledge after watching a video

May not be relevant to the OP but neither was politics, so please continue.

Loading Video...

watching a video of someone spamming buttons doesnt give you the subtle details of doing in real life?

spam example is at 5:49 or so

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@tryit: So one example. And a grasping at straws one_

Basing all AAA games on a 2015/ very clear cinematic game/ about a Super hero character. What did you expect? Next you'll feed me Assassins Creed, and wonder why it's not Ninja Gaiden: Black.

I could name AAA games I've played, that if you button bashed, you'd be game over in no time.

You don't base a development model on genre/ skill level. That's idiotic.

Indie scene also has simplistic games, that doesn't mean all Indie games are simplistic.

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@tryit: So one example. And a grasping at straws one_

Basing all AAA games on a 2015/ very clear cinematic game/ about a Super hero character. What did you expect? Next you'll feed me Assassins Creed, and wonder why it's not Ninja Gaiden: Black.

I could name AAA games I've played, that if you button bashed, you'd be game over in no time.

You don't base a development model on genre/ skill level. That's idiotic.

Indie scene also has simplistic games, that doesn't mean all Indie games are simplistic.

dude that was what is called 'an example'

you want me to post every single AAA game that is nothing more than a button mashing circle jerk to show you what you already know?

nope.

Sorry but my original statement stands which paraphrased is: 'there is likely more skill involved in a webbased jewel game then there is in most button mashing AAA titles

when you are ready lets play a grown up game like ARMA 3 or Elite Dangerous let me know

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@tryit:

when you are ready lets play a grown up game like ARMA 3 or Elite Dangerous let me know

Please! I was playing Elite: Dangerous before you knew it existed. Original Backer here. Getting codes to play Alpha on the Backer private forum.

And Elite IV is hardly to be used for such immature statements as 'grown-up game', state what you want about a generic sandbox shooter that I wouldn't ever play; but leave Elite, a beloved franchise out your attitude problem_

Elite has always been a fairly relaxing game of precision, resources, organisation. Three things you lack as a swollen head Bigot.

'oh I only like Indies; you all are lame for not following my example'- Tryit 2018

^You in a nutshell

Yet all you show us is ignorance with a mentality of discrimination, a discrimination for how a developer is funded. And why does that matter? Well it doesn't but you feel the need to make it a problem.

I know AAA games that would have someone like you rage quit in a heart-beat based on control reactions, complex inputs, along with the above for Elite. Even though, based on your wit; wouldn't be difficult. And for me, those complex layers of gameplay are very enjoyable

Fall back on blaming a 2015 Batman for everything AAA games deliver in existence. It shows how little you know outside your rock.

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#34  Edited By Lembu90
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@tryit said:

I think its time for people to not make excuses by demanding protection from being stupid but rather open a book and start to learn

education is very helpful antidote to being scammed.

I hate to say this but my article isn't really about stupid people but rather those who were exploited by those unscrupulous developers and publishers just because they don't know or don't care about the industry behind it. My real problems with smarphone games aren't really the games themselves or its microntrasctation practices but rather how those developers exploiting its consumers into buying too many of their premium items/consumables(read: microtransactions) to advance to the next stage. It's true that spending 5-10 dollars per week on a smartphone game wouldn't hurt your wallet if you are an adult with steady source of income but what about children under 12 who still go to school, still rely on their parents/guardians and no bank accounts of their own? There have been too many cases of children stole their parents' credit cards to keep playing. Unfortunately for the parents the developers and publishers of the games usually not responsible for the money their children spent. Of course they know they couldn't rely on this tactic for long and start to target the adults as well, is like I already write in that article.

Just like what RSM-HQ said, smartphone games won't be replacing console(Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft) and PC anytime soon due to different market environment and target audiences but too many people, usually developers and publishers of those smartphone games can't wait for that to happen.

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To me gaming is all about escaping reality and immersion. Playing some fiddly little 2d whatever on a crowded train? No that just ain't gaming! But each to they own. And if people want to actually pay real coin for that shit ... well what can I say?

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@RSM-HQ : I think you are extremely accurate in your statements. The market for mobile vs console or pc gaming is very different. Many people I know that are avid mobile gamers, are the same folks that mock me for sitting in front of my PC hours on end :P...I do wonder what the overlap is though, and what games specifically or types of games where that overlap exists more frequently...

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#37 TryIt
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@RSM-HQ said:

@tryit:

when you are ready lets play a grown up game like ARMA 3 or Elite Dangerous let me know

Please! I was playing Elite: Dangerous before you knew it existed. Original Backer here. Getting codes to play Alpha on the Backer private forum.

And Elite IV is hardly to be used for such immature statements as 'grown-up game', state what you want about a generic sandbox shooter that I wouldn't ever play; but leave Elite, a beloved franchise out your attitude problem_

Elite has always been a fairly relaxing game of precision, resources, organisation. Three things you lack as a swollen head Bigot.

'oh I only like Indies; you all are lame for not following my example'- Tryit 2018

^You in a nutshell

Yet all you show us is ignorance with a mentality of discrimination, a discrimination for how a developer is funded. And why does that matter? Well it doesn't but you feel the need to make it a problem.

I know AAA games that would have someone like you rage quit in a heart-beat based on control reactions, complex inputs, along with the above for Elite. Even though, based on your wit; wouldn't be difficult. And for me, those complex layers of gameplay are very enjoyable

Fall back on blaming a 2015 Batman for everything AAA games deliver in existence. It shows how little you know outside your rock.

There is no way that it remotely believeable

you have not played Elite you would dont even know better

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#38  Edited By RSM-HQ
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@manstudio1:

Many people I know that are avid mobile gamers, are the same folks that mock me for sitting in front of my PC

P.C. platform is great, you have nothing to feel bad about. And while I can find some flaws in the P.C. platform some would ignore, it's very good for games and accessibility.

I do wonder what the overlap is though, and what games specifically or types of games where that overlap exists more frequently...

The overlap happens, however most who invest in mainline gaming likely don't bite on mobile business models with heavy microtransactions. Find it more interesting when I come on these gaming Forums. As many seem to hold a bias for one platform and disregard all others. I personally am not a fan of that mentality, play on whatever platform you enjoy is my standpoint. So long as we all share a passion for games that should be the centre-point, whether we're nit picking flaws, or praising tight mechanics in the software.

Out of the current platforms I still game frequently in short-bursts on mobile, mostly out of convenience. As well as have a PS4 hooked up to my television along with a Switch; and my P.C. also gets quite a lot of gaming attention, even upgraded not long ago to get more out Divinity: Original Sin II.

I personally don't care what I play on, so long as I'm playing something I deem enjoyable from a gameplay perspective.

The overall mobile market is a very different business, however personally believe anyone could find a game to play if they looked at what's for offer. Some retro and puzzle titles work really well on mobile.

Not everything is centred around micro transactions, despite it being the larger business model. It's like @Try assuming all AAA games on mainline platforms are "button bashing" games.

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#39 TryIt
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@lembu90 said:
@tryit said:

I think its time for people to not make excuses by demanding protection from being stupid but rather open a book and start to learn

education is very helpful antidote to being scammed.

I hate to say this but my article isn't really about stupid people but rather those who were exploited by those unscrupulous developers and publishers just because they don't know or don't care about the industry behind it. My real problems with smarphone games aren't really the games themselves or its microntrasctation practices but rather how those developers exploiting its consumers into buying too many of their premium items/consumables(read: microtransactions) to advance to the next stage. It's true that spending 5-10 dollars per week on a smartphone game wouldn't hurt your wallet if you are an adult with steady source of income but what about children under 12 who still go to school, still rely on their parents/guardians and no bank accounts of their own? There have been too many cases of children stole their parents' credit cards to keep playing. Unfortunately for the parents the developers and publishers of the games usually not responsible for the money their children spent. Of course they know they couldn't rely on this tactic for long and start to target the adults as well, is like I already write in that article.

Just like what RSM-HQ said, smartphone games won't be replacing console(Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft) and PC anytime soon due to different market environment and target audiences but too many people, usually developers and publishers of those smartphone games can't wait for that to happen.

read this bit VERY carefully

exploitation only works on stupid people. the more stupid people you have the more will be exploited.

try to say something that makes that statement not true

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#40  Edited By RSM-HQ
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@tryit:

There is no way that it remotely believeable

you have not played Elite you would dont even know better

Already made a mini review for Elite IV back when it was Beta here on GS, not hard to look it up, check my page if you can get your head out your ass. Also made a hype thread if you wish to track back on my activity, which I made when it was getting its full P.C. release.

I don't need to prove anything else, when that information is already recorded on this website. You're an idiot and little else.

But why not, let's check on your previous activity

Good then that I can again back up my statement that I've known Elite before it even pondered in your mind. As I brought up Elite Dangerous here. While you bragged about a bunch of random indies. And Elite: Dangerous was not only not on your radar, you had no idea what I was writing about_

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/games-discussion-1000000/nearly-30-months-later-has-your-opinion-of-witcher-33420058/

"I could call out Elite: Dangarous as a Space game I adore which both came out before No Mans Sky and started as a Kickstarter project, but still doesn't stop NMS being an Indie game that caught the eyes of many due to when it was announced and how."

You can tell me that I don't play Elite while you're still learning what missions are profitable in Dangerous, I hope you encounter PvP a lot, you'd be fun to kill I'm sure.

Do I really need any more proof? No, didn't think so Scrub.

Tell me what other game I don't play, that actively shown that I do? lol

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#41 TryIt
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@RSM-HQ said:

@tryit:

There is no way that it remotely believeable

you have not played Elite you would dont even know better

random rant

sorry but anyone who has played Elite Dangerous and thinks that todays AAA titles are better is likely lying or just beyond reason

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#42  Edited By RSM-HQ
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@tryit:

sorry but anyone who has played Elite Dangerous and thinks that todays AAA titles are better is likely lying or just beyond reason

Clearly you don't know what you're writing about, only AAA game you provided was a Batman game made over three years ago. That's not "today".

How about you play Monster Hunter: World. AAA game with complex mechanics, that would show you how ignorant you are on the spectrum.

You won't though, because you've shown you don't really play games to enjoy them, you have a superiority complex and judge what you buy as a sole badge of honor even if you're in conversation with someone who has been playing one of those games years before you knew its existence.

You're a smug jerk with nothing to back up your call outs.

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#43  Edited By TryIt
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@RSM-HQ said:

@tryit:

sorry but anyone who has played Elite Dangerous and thinks that todays AAA titles are better is likely lying or just beyond reason

Clearly you don't know what you're writing about, only AAA game you provided was a Batman game made over three years ago. That's not "today".

How about you play Monster Hunter: World. AAA game with complex mechanics, that would show you how ignorant you are on the spectrum.

You won't though, because you've shown you don't really play games to enjoy them, you have a superiority complex and judge what you buy as a sole badge of honor even if you're in conversation with someone who has been playing one of those games years before you knew its existence.

You're a smug jerk with nothing to back it up.

what? 3 years ago doesnt count?

how many AAA games do you guys get per year anyway? 3? maybe 2? so what is the complete list of AAA games I can select from?

list cant be any larger then 10. Provide me the list so that I can not screw up and pick something that doesnt count in your mind

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#44  Edited By RSM-HQ
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@tryit:

what? 3 years ago doesnt count?

When you state games "today"? Absolutely. Even then, I could name a three year old AAA game that doesn't involve button bashing. Bloodborne. Which FROM SOFTWARE confirmed as the studios biggest budget game, almost triple that of Dark Souls 2.

how many AAA games do you guys get per year anyway? 3? maybe 2? so what is the complete list of AAA games I can select from?

Two games? lol. Maybe two AAA games I care for, true. Usually go for what's dubbed the B tier of budget development. And actually like the Indie scene far more than you think, Bloodstained is something you probably don't even know about. Spiritual Successor to the CastleVania series. And I again, am a Backer for that Indie title.

list cant be any larger then 10. Provide me the list so that I can not screw up and pick something that doesnt count in your mind

Why should I provide ten?. .

you could only name one, and not even one "today" that's "button bashing". so. . No; lol.

Why would I commit any more effort to an argument you already lost?

Since calling me "idiotic" all you've done is look like a fool. Till that point, you still had credibility and even agreed on some of your points.

So, either go back to the conversation of mobile versus mainline gaming; or keep pretending that your argument of AAA games has merit. Eitherway this conversation is long past its due and have little else to add. Only reason it went this far is because your attitude problem, and less your theories.

/done