Playstation Vs. Nintendo 64 Vs. Sega Saturn Vs. 3DO Vs. Atari Jaguar! Consolewar

Ps1 and n64 tied for me. Saturn has ZERO games I want.YoshiYogurt

Then you just haven't seen or played enough Saturn games. It has quite the healthy library with a lot of genres properly represented from both Sega themselves and plenty of third-party developers.

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Ps1 and n64 tied for me. Saturn has ZERO games I want.Emerald_Warrior

Then you just haven't seen or played enough Saturn games. It has quite the healthy library with a lot of genres properly represented from both Sega themselves and plenty of third-party developers.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Ps1 and n64 tied for me. Saturn has ZERO games I want.Jag85

Then you just haven't seen or played enough Saturn games. It has quite the healthy library with a lot of genres properly represented from both Sega themselves and plenty of third-party developers.

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Then you just haven't seen or played enough Saturn games. It has quite the healthy library with a lot of genres properly represented from both Sega themselves and plenty of third-party developers.

YoshiYogurt

Here's a long list of Sega Saturn games (with nearly 600 titles) to check out to see if you find anything that might interest you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_Saturn_games

N64 and PSX, then Saturn. 

N64 all the way, screw PSX.

Super Mario 64 wasn't only a great game back then and even now, it was a defining moment in the gaming industry as a whole. Then there was Goldeneye 007 and Mario Kart and Smash Bros. and Zelda and a whole host of other games.

Oh, and one more thing: NO LOADING TIMES!

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]Ps1 and n64 tied for me. Saturn has ZERO games I want.Emerald_Warrior

Then you just haven't seen or played enough Saturn games. It has quite the healthy library with a lot of genres properly represented from both Sega themselves and plenty of third-party developers.

I think it's obvious by his name and also by previous posts he's a nintendo fanboy and thus doesn't have a clue about any offerings but nintendo

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Then you just haven't seen or played enough Saturn games. It has quite the healthy library with a lot of genres properly represented from both Sega themselves and plenty of third-party developers.

YoshiYogurt

probably because it's the only exclusive you've heard about

N64 all the way, screw PSX.

 

Super Mario 64 wasn't only a great game back then and even now, it was a defining moment in the gaming industry as a whole. Then there was Goldeneye 007 and Mario Kart and Smash Bros. and Zelda and a whole host of other games.

Oh, and one more thing: NO LOADING TIMES!

dbtbandit67

[QUOTE="dbtbandit67"]

N64 all the way, screw PSX.

 

Super Mario 64 wasn't only a great game back then and even now, it was a defining moment in the gaming industry as a whole. Then there was Goldeneye 007 and Mario Kart and Smash Bros. and Zelda and a whole host of other games.

Oh, and one more thing: NO LOADING TIMES!

Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="dbtbandit67"]

N64 all the way, screw PSX.

 

Super Mario 64 wasn't only a great game back then and even now, it was a defining moment in the gaming industry as a whole. Then there was Goldeneye 007 and Mario Kart and Smash Bros. and Zelda and a whole host of other games.

Oh, and one more thing: NO LOADING TIMES!

Platform_King

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Jag85"] And, as has already been mentioned before, the Saturn has a larger library of games than the N64, including more third-party support.bultje112

probably because it's the only exclusive you've heard about

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] Nights is literally the only exclusive I can think of that I'm interested in...YoshiYogurt

probably because it's the only exclusive you've heard about

Dude, you said it. Do you expect people not to respond when you try to say a console with such a large library has only 1 good game?

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

probably because it's the only exclusive you've heard about

Emerald_Warrior

Dude, you said it. Do you expect people not to respond when you try to say a console with such a large library has only 1 good game?

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I have a Genesis and a playstation.... How bout you tell me some exclusives for the Saturn instead of getting all pissy that not everyone LOVES you precious Saturn. YoshiYogurt

Dude, you said it. Do you expect people not to respond when you try to say a console with such a large library has only 1 good game?

My case? You were talking to bultje, I thought.

Why not look at the list that was already given to you further up the thread?

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Dude, you said it. Do you expect people not to respond when you try to say a console with such a large library has only 1 good game?

Emerald_Warrior

My case? You were talking to bultje, I thought.

Why not look at the list that was already given to you further up the thread?

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I never said that. I said that I'm interested in now. I don't know much about the console. Not telling me about more good exclusives doesn't help your case.YoshiYogurt

My case? You were talking to bultje, I thought.

Why not look at the list that was already given to you further up the thread?

Well, if you don't care to know about the Saturn's library, then you're proving everyone right that says you're a Nintendo fanboy.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I never said that. I said that I'm interested in now. I don't know much about the console. Not telling me about more good exclusives doesn't help your case.YoshiYogurt

My case? You were talking to bultje, I thought.

Why not look at the list that was already given to you further up the thread?

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

My case? You were talking to bultje, I thought.

Why not look at the list that was already given to you further up the thread?

Emerald_Warrior

Well, if you don't care to know about the Saturn's library, then you're proving everyone right that says you're a Nintendo fanboy.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] Not looking through a list that consists of tons of multiplats.YoshiYogurt

Well, if you don't care to know about the Saturn's library, then you're proving everyone right that says you're a Nintendo fanboy.

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Well, if you don't care to know about the Saturn's library, then you're proving everyone right that says you're a Nintendo fanboy.

Jag85

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Well, if you don't care to know about the Saturn's library, then you're proving everyone right that says you're a Nintendo fanboy.

Jag85

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I will just google myself a damn list since none of you can even post games you like. Let's see we get:http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/07/29/top-10-sega-saturn-games and http://www.retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-Saturn-Games-Page-5.html

Still nothing I really want besides Nights. Some stuff like Shining Force and the Dragoon games look interesting I guess. Some 2D shooters look cool. Not interested in Fighters or racers.

All in all nothing I'd ever rush to buy from ebay. I can't see myself ever buying a Saturn unless I find one at a garage sale or something. The library is quite pathetic compared to the PS1 and N64.

YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I will just google myself a damn list since none of you can even post games you like. Let's see we get:http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/07/29/top-10-sega-saturn-games and http://www.retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-Saturn-Games-Page-5.html

Still nothing I really want besides Nights. Some stuff like Shining Force and the Dragoon games look interesting I guess. Some 2D shooters look cool. Not interested in Fighters or racers.

All in all nothing I'd ever rush to buy from ebay. I can't see myself ever buying a Saturn unless I find one at a garage sale or something. The library is quite pathetic compared to the PS1 and N64.

YoshiYogurt

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] Nights is literally the only exclusive I can think of that I'm interested in...YoshiYogurt

probably because it's the only exclusive you've heard about

I"m not pissy, I just find it beyond ignorant how you say the saturn has no games you are interested in, while you don't even know any games for it.

I'll tell you saturn exclusives I love:

panzer dragoon saga, shining force 3 scenarioas 1,2 and 3, dragon force, torico, deep fear, three dirty dwarves, fighters megamix, daytona usa, sega rally, virtua cop, sakura wars 1 and 2, nights, shining the holy ark, saturn bomberman, burning rangers and those are just exclsuives from the top of my head it has tons more even to offer

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] I will just google myself a damn list since none of you can even post games you like. Let's see we get:http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/07/29/top-10-sega-saturn-games and http://www.retro-sanctuary.com/Top-100-Saturn-Games-Page-5.html

Still nothing I really want besides Nights. Some stuff like Shining Force and the Dragoon games look interesting I guess. Some 2D shooters look cool. Not interested in Fighters or racers.

All in all nothing I'd ever rush to buy from ebay. I can't see myself ever buying a Saturn unless I find one at a garage sale or something. The library is quite pathetic compared to the PS1 and N64.

YoshiYogurt

how do you know when you've never even played a staurn and know nothing of the library. you are typical nintendo fanboy. hilarious to say the least

With any new technology, the gaming experience is enhanced. You need a lot power for physics, AI, huge/complex worlds etc. Speeking of physics: World Driver Championship has much more realistic physics than Gran Turismo. This game actually has physics good enough to rival even some modern racing games. Unlike Gran Turismo, the cars have a more accurate feeling of weight and inertia. What GT only claims to do, WDC actually accurately simulates weight transfer under braking and acceleration. More like a real car, in WDC you cannot simply slam on the brakes and downshift at the last second before making a sharp turn and hammer the gas on your way out. You will under steer badly and then spin out after you hit the gas. You cannot slam into or side swipe without the consequences of the collision throwing not just the car you hit out of control, but yours as well again unlike GT where bumping your opponents many times actually assist you. Unlike GT where over steering is the result of only extremely poor driving skill, over steering in WDC can occur much easier and is very useful when controlled properly just like in a real car. I could go on and on, but you get the point. Conclusion: new technology = better graphics + better games N64 > Saturn + PS1 combined = unbiased and objective statementAMGMercedes

Compared to the N64, the Saturn had a larger software library, more third-party support, and wider diverse selection of games...Jag85

....The majority of which are Fighters and 2D scrolling Shmups.

• Crude three-course racing games
• Crappy 3D platformers
• Crappy splitscreen support
• SNES-era Action-Adventure games

What competes with the Zelda's and Soul Reaver? Nothing

What competes with Mario 64, Banjo's, Spyro's, Ape Escape? Nothing

What racers have >8 courses, Championship modes? Nothing, parts customisation? Nothing.

FPS Splitscreen deathmatch? Nothing.

Neither N64, nor Saturn have all genre's covered, only one that manages that is PS1 unfortunately.

Most of the high profile Saturn games came out prior to 1998, N64 didn't even start until 1997, and carried on till 2000, as such they have very different libraries, and very different strengths and weaknesses to each other, Saturn has more 2D emphasis, N64 has more 3D emphasis.

Saturn may have a bigger library, but it also has significantly more shovelware, putting shovelware on N64 was a losing proposition due to the expense or manufacturing cartridges.

I'm not arguing that Saturn doesn't have more ok to good games on it than N64, it most certainly does, I'm just arguing that Saturn's library isn't inherently more balanced than that of the N64. Quite frankly as a platformer and Racing game fan I find the Saturn extremely lacking.

[QUOTE="Jag85"]Compared to the N64, the Saturn had a larger software library, more third-party support, and wider diverse selection of games...Domino_slayer

....The majority of which are Fighters and 2D scrolling Shmups.

• Crude three-course racing games
• Crappy 3D platformers
• Crappy splitscreen support
• SNES-era Action-Adventure games

What competes with the Zelda's and Soul Reaver? Nothing

What competes with Mario 64, Banjo's, Spyro's, Ape Escape? Nothing

What racers have >8 courses, Championship modes? Nothing, parts customisation? Nothing.

FPS Splitscreen deathmatch? Nothing.

Neither N64, nor Saturn have all genre's covered, only one that manages that is PS1 unfortunately.

Most of the high profile Saturn games came out prior to 1998, N64 didn't even start until 1997, and carried on till 2000, as such they have very different libraries, and very different strengths and weaknesses to each other, Saturn has more 2D emphasis, N64 has more 3D emphasis.

Saturn may have a bigger library, but it also has significantly more shovelware, putting shovelware on N64 was a losing proposition due to the expense or manufacturing cartridges.

I'm not arguing that Saturn doesn't have more ok to good games on it than N64, it most certainly does, I'm just arguing that Saturn's library isn't inherently more balanced than that of the N64. Quite frankly as a platformer and Racing game fan I find the Saturn extremely lacking.

no they are not :roll:

for the record saturn has over 1000 games, n64 has like what? 400? most saturn games aren't either fighters or 2d shooters. besides same can be said with n64 and 3d platformers, which isn't true either btw

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]Compared to the N64, the Saturn had a larger software library, more third-party support, and wider diverse selection of games...bultje112

....The majority of which are Fighters and 2D scrolling Shmups.

• Crude three-course racing games
• Crappy 3D platformers
• Crappy splitscreen support
• SNES-era Action-Adventure games

What competes with the Zelda's and Soul Reaver? Nothing

What competes with Mario 64, Banjo's, Spyro's, Ape Escape? Nothing

What racers have >8 courses, Championship modes? Nothing, parts customisation? Nothing.

FPS Splitscreen deathmatch? Nothing.

Neither N64, nor Saturn have all genre's covered, only one that manages that is PS1 unfortunately.

Most of the high profile Saturn games came out prior to 1998, N64 didn't even start until 1997, and carried on till 2000, as such they have very different libraries, and very different strengths and weaknesses to each other, Saturn has more 2D emphasis, N64 has more 3D emphasis.

Saturn may have a bigger library, but it also has significantly more shovelware, putting shovelware on N64 was a losing proposition due to the expense or manufacturing cartridges.

I'm not arguing that Saturn doesn't have more ok to good games on it than N64, it most certainly does, I'm just arguing that Saturn's library isn't inherently more balanced than that of the N64. Quite frankly as a platformer and Racing game fan I find the Saturn extremely lacking.

no they are not :roll:

for the record saturn has over 1000 games, n64 has like what? 400? most saturn games aren't either fighters or 2d shooters. besides same can be said with n64 and 3d platformers, which isn't true either btw

for the record saturn has over 1000 gamesbultje112

No, it most certainly does not, it has ~600-700 games and 300-400 Picture and music CDs, and special editions, the picture CDs (of which there are masses) are put in the Saturn, and it cycles through artwork, that's it, that aint a "game".

The Japanese Saturn library has ludicrous amount of shovelware in it.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]Compared to the N64, the Saturn had a larger software library, more third-party support, and wider diverse selection of games...YoshiYogurt

....The majority of which are Fighters and 2D scrolling Shmups.

• Crude three-course racing games
• Crappy 3D platformers
• Crappy splitscreen support
• SNES-era Action-Adventure games

What competes with the Zelda's and Soul Reaver? Nothing

What competes with Mario 64, Banjo's, Spyro's, Ape Escape? Nothing

What racers have >8 courses, Championship modes? Nothing, parts customisation? Nothing.

FPS Splitscreen deathmatch? Nothing.

Neither N64, nor Saturn have all genre's covered, only one that manages that is PS1 unfortunately.

Most of the high profile Saturn games came out prior to 1998, N64 didn't even start until 1997, and carried on till 2000, as such they have very different libraries, and very different strengths and weaknesses to each other, Saturn has more 2D emphasis, N64 has more 3D emphasis.

Saturn may have a bigger library, but it also has significantly more shovelware, putting shovelware on N64 was a losing proposition due to the expense or manufacturing cartridges.

I'm not arguing that Saturn doesn't have more ok to good games on it than N64, it most certainly does, I'm just arguing that Saturn's library isn't inherently more balanced than that of the N64. Quite frankly as a platformer and Racing game fan I find the Saturn extremely lacking.

no they are not :roll:

for the record saturn has over 1000 games, n64 has like what? 400? most saturn games aren't either fighters or 2d shooters. besides same can be said with n64 and 3d platformers, which isn't true either btw

maybe because you haven't bothered looking at anything beyond some IGN list, or so it seems.

that list btw isn't even the greatest (Astal in the top 10? no way)

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

[QUOTE="Jag85"]Compared to the N64, the Saturn had a larger software library, more third-party support, and wider diverse selection of games...YoshiYogurt

....The majority of which are Fighters and 2D scrolling Shmups.

• Crude three-course racing games
• Crappy 3D platformers
• Crappy splitscreen support
• SNES-era Action-Adventure games

What competes with the Zelda's and Soul Reaver? Nothing

What competes with Mario 64, Banjo's, Spyro's, Ape Escape? Nothing

What racers have >8 courses, Championship modes? Nothing, parts customisation? Nothing.

FPS Splitscreen deathmatch? Nothing.

Neither N64, nor Saturn have all genre's covered, only one that manages that is PS1 unfortunately.

Most of the high profile Saturn games came out prior to 1998, N64 didn't even start until 1997, and carried on till 2000, as such they have very different libraries, and very different strengths and weaknesses to each other, Saturn has more 2D emphasis, N64 has more 3D emphasis.

Saturn may have a bigger library, but it also has significantly more shovelware, putting shovelware on N64 was a losing proposition due to the expense or manufacturing cartridges.

I'm not arguing that Saturn doesn't have more ok to good games on it than N64, it most certainly does, I'm just arguing that Saturn's library isn't inherently more balanced than that of the N64. Quite frankly as a platformer and Racing game fan I find the Saturn extremely lacking.

no they are not :roll:

for the record saturn has over 1000 games, n64 has like what? 400? most saturn games aren't either fighters or 2d shooters. besides same can be said with n64 and 3d platformers, which isn't true either btw

how would you know. you've already admitted to knowing nothing and having played nothing of the saturn

[QUOTE="bultje112"]for the record saturn has over 1000 gamesDomino_slayer

No, it most certainly does not, it has ~600-700 games and 300-400 Picture and music CDs, and special editions, the picture CDs (of which there are masses) are put in the Saturn, and it cycles through artwork, that's it, that aint a "game".

The Japanese Saturn library has ludicrous amount of shovelware in it.

you don't even know the saturn has over 1000 games, not counting re releases or anything, so what would you know about shovelware. you are as clueless clearly as the nintendo fanboy here

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]for the record saturn has over 1000 gamesbultje112

No, it most certainly does not, it has ~600-700 games and 300-400 Picture and music CDs, and special editions, the picture CDs (of which there are masses) are put in the Saturn, and it cycles through artwork, that's it, that aint a "game".

The Japanese Saturn library has ludicrous amount of shovelware in it.

you don't even know the saturn has over 1000 games, not counting re releases or anything, so what would you know about shovelware. you are as clueless clearly as the nintendo fanboy here

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

 

no they are not :roll:

 

for the record saturn has over 1000 games, n64 has like what? 400? most saturn games aren't either fighters or 2d shooters. besides same can be said with n64 and 3d platformers, which isn't true either btw

bultje112

how would you know. you've already admitted to knowing nothing and having played nothing of the saturn

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] Out of these "1000" games, Why are so few memorable? Why is there nothing as good as spyro, crash, mario, or banjo? The entire library of Saturn games must be shovelware and multplats because all I see are the same few exclusives. You fail to provide an argument to how it is any better than the n64. It's not even close to the PS1 in exclusives. YoshiYogurt

how would you know. you've already admitted to knowing nothing and having played nothing of the saturn

if you don't have an N64, how do you know any game you might list, or have listed is good or not?

Ive played or own quite a few of the games you mentioned before and found some to be pretty boring for my tastes

by the logic previously applied by you , the N64 must be crap.

you don't even know the saturn has over 1000 gamesbultje112

You've been spouting this rubbish about "1000" games for bloody years now, I personally went through this list of 1000 games piece by piece, game by game and it had ridiculous numbers of non-game software, 100s and 100s of quick, cheap merchandise, picture CDs of popular anime etc, music CDs where a polygon model dances around in the middle of the screen, all Satakore re-releases were also included.

Link to this list of >1000 games, If I'm proven wrong I'll retract.

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

 

how would you know. you've already admitted to knowing nothing and having played nothing of the saturn

Darkman2007

if you don't have an N64, how do you know any game you might list, or have listed is good or not?

Ive played or own quite a few of the games you mentioned before and found some to be pretty boring for my tastes

by the logic previously applied by you , the N64 must be crap.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"] You again fail to provide an arguement as to how the saturn is better than the n64 or PS1. I don't see how I am a "Nintendo Fanboy" when I don't even have an N64. Provide a list of games that are better or even match up with N64 games...YoshiYogurt

if you don't have an N64, how do you know any game you might list, or have listed is good or not?

Ive played or own quite a few of the games you mentioned before and found some to be pretty boring for my tastes

by the logic previously applied by you , the N64 must be crap.

....The majority of which are Fighters and 2D scrolling Shmups.

• Crude three-course racing games
• Crappy 3D platformers
• Crappy splitscreen support
• SNES-era Action-Adventure games

What competes with the Zelda's and Soul Reaver? Nothing

What competes with Mario 64, Banjo's, Spyro's, Ape Escape? Nothing

What racers have >8 courses, Championship modes? Nothing, parts customisation? Nothing.

FPS Splitscreen deathmatch? Nothing.

Neither N64, nor Saturn have all genre's covered, only one that manages that is PS1 unfortunately.

Most of the high profile Saturn games came out prior to 1998, N64 didn't even start until 1997, and carried on till 2000, as such they have very different libraries, and very different strengths and weaknesses to each other, Saturn has more 2D emphasis, N64 has more 3D emphasis.

Saturn may have a bigger library, but it also has significantly more shovelware, putting shovelware on N64 was a losing proposition due to the expense or manufacturing cartridges.

I'm not arguing that Saturn doesn't have more ok to good games on it than N64, it most certainly does, I'm just arguing that Saturn's library isn't inherently more balanced than that of the N64. Quite frankly as a platformer and Racing game fan I find the Saturn extremely lacking.

Domino_slayer

Hell.. i honestly don't know how much shovelware there is on either, so i'll keep that out..

And what's wrong with fighters and shmups? If you're a fan of them, the Saturn dwarfs the N64 if you want quality games in these two genres. For an actual fan like myself, a shmup can last me dozens of hours until i actually finish it (1CC), never mind replay it in SP, or with friends. A fighting game? Infinite replayability with friends, huge length if i want to enjoy SP mastering a few characters, learning their intricacies. 

Then there's the extraordinarily quality games (non-fighters/shmups) that rivals anything on the N64 - Panzer Dragoon Saga, Panzer Dragoon Zwei, Nights into Dreams... , Dragon Force I & II, Shinning Force Scenario III, Saturn Bomberman.

And then there's the great games that'll complete the rivalry towards the N64 - Shinning Force Scenario I & II, Panzer Dragoon I, Prikura Daisakusen, Shinning The Holy Ark, Mobile Suit Gundam Side Story I, II, III (best mech games on a 5th gen. console, fast, fluid responsive and fun), Shin Shinobi Den, Guardian Heroes, Bulk Slash, Virtua Cop 2, etc.

Now, i'm not arguing that the Saturn is better than the N64, or vice versa. What i'm saying is that both are of equal quality, but both have different strenghts and different weaknesses.

The PS1 crushes both combined, either way.