I am not happy at ALL with what 343 Studios has done with Halo4

But it's going to have Kinect support... who cares what it looks or plays like?

The series should have ended 4 games (and one remake) ago with Halo 3, but microsoft realized they have a grand total of 2 exclusives (Halo and Gears) and they couldn't afford to lose oneBlack_Knight_00

To be honest I am hoping for 343 to make a Halo game that will truly live up to the insane praise that the series has garnered. Bungie was pretty bland, the environments in Reach felt like they had little to no history to them. Everything looked so clean even in a warzone, the environments lacked detail, very few objects in each level. It never felt like a real place with a history that has been lived in.

Everything looked mediocre. The sound design left something to be desired. The characters have about as much life and personality to them as Sev and Rico from the Killzone series, most of the weapons felt like they lacked impact (althought that sniper rifle is just awesome) the enemies never left me feeling like they were a threat, little cute aliens running around squeeking at you with bright blue/purple plasma grenades and jumping up and down like they are at a birthday party.

To be honest the only area where I felt those games had anything worth noting was the multiplayer, but the maps seem like they were designed by 6 year olds. The same base on both sides, a stream through the middle, some boulders sticking out of the ground, and pretty much the same weapons on both sides. Seems like a pretty half a**'d way to go about it. Esp considering the praise this series and developer has received over its multiplayer offerings.

I truly believe the level designers and multiplayer map designers at Bungie are about as useful as a calculator to a blind man. Although I will give some praise due to a great physics engine in place, the forge mode is fantastic and brings much to the multiplayer side of the game.

In terms of story and atmoshpere, Halo ODST seems to be the best in the series thus far, and easily the most engaging. By switching you from character to character and giving different points of view to the same war and the lack of hope found just by looking at the setting. That sense of loneliness in some scenes showed me that their is a sliver of hope for the series.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]The series should have ended 4 games (and one remake) ago with Halo 3, but microsoft realized they have a grand total of 2 exclusives (Halo and Gears) and they couldn't afford to lose oneYusuke420

I don't really understand this either. Esp considering the Forza Motorsport series is easily the best racing sim on consoles at the moment. A great series which gets plenty of praise, however some seem to skip over it when bringing up Microsoft exclusive franchises.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]The series should have ended 4 games (and one remake) ago with Halo 3, but microsoft realized they have a grand total of 2 exclusives (Halo and Gears) and they couldn't afford to lose oneYusuke420

Simple: it's a racing game.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]The series should have ended 4 games (and one remake) ago with Halo 3, but microsoft realized they have a grand total of 2 exclusives (Halo and Gears) and they couldn't afford to lose oneVari3ty

Simple: it's a racing game.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]The series should have ended 4 games (and one remake) ago with Halo 3, but microsoft realized they have a grand total of 2 exclusives (Halo and Gears) and they couldn't afford to lose oneVari3ty

Simple: it's a racing game.

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] Why does everyone forget Forza Motorsport?

Black_Knight_00

Simple: it's a racing game.

And yet, a few of them stand out, even if they are sports games. Also, I think some of you missed the point on his question.

Forza is also one of Microsoft's exclusive franchises. I think it's been that way since the original. It's also very successful. If they lose Forza, it could be a huge loss.

Back to the main OP though; I'm disappointed about Firefight not being there either. I loved Firefight in ODST and in Reach, but even so, I'm going to enjoy Halo 4 for the campaign, I feel. I don't play much multiplayer, so it doesn't bother me as much, really.

Another quick note...if I wanted to play Firefight, I would just buy ODST or Reach (I don't believe Halo Anniversary CE has it, so someone please correct me if it does). Problem solved.

Another quick note...if I wanted to play Firefight, I would just buy ODST or Reach (I don't believe Halo Anniversary CE has it, so someone please correct me if it does). Problem solved.

Metamania

Firefight was fun, but this is a step for the series to evolve. They are replacing it with spartan ops and for all we know this could be really awesome. I'm totally in wait and see mode, but it could be just the thing that puts htis new game over the top.

Firefight was fun, but this is a step for the series to evolve. They are replacing it with spartan ops and for all we know this could be really awesome. I'm totally in wait and see mode, but it could be just the thing that puts htis new game over the top.

Yusuke420

They dropped Firefight?

Well. This is disappointing.

I'm thrilled about Halo 4. The multiplayer doesn't matter much to me, as I'm more into the campaign, story, and settings, and so I'm excited.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Another quick note...if I wanted to play Firefight, I would just buy ODST or Reach (I don't believe Halo Anniversary CE has it, so someone please correct me if it does). Problem solved.

Archangel3371

It's better than not having Firefight at all. That's how I see it, even if the game is an older version.

To be honest I am hoping for 343 to make a Halo game that will truly live up to the insane praise that the series has garnered. Bungie was pretty bland, the environments in Reach felt like they had little to no history to them. Everything looked so clean even in a warzone, the environments lacked detail, very few objects in each level. It never felt like a real place with a history that has been lived in.

Everything looked mediocre. The sound design left something to be desired. The characters have about as much life and personality to them as Sev and Rico from the Killzone series, most of the weapons felt like they lacked impact (althought that sniper rifle is just awesome) the enemies never left me feeling like they were a threat, little cute aliens running around squeeking at you with bright blue/purple plasma grenades and jumping up and down like they are at a birthday party.

To be honest the only area where I felt those games had anything worth noting was the multiplayer, but the maps seem like they were designed by 6 year olds. The same base on both sides, a stream through the middle, some boulders sticking out of the ground, and pretty much the same weapons on both sides. Seems like a pretty half a**'d way to go about it. Esp considering the praise this series and developer has received over its multiplayer offerings.

contracts420

This

Also i would trust 343 to make a good Halo game more than i would Bungie. I dont feel like Bungie as evolved over the years. They were a one trick Pony ( That trick was never that great in the 1st place btw ) that got by solely on the Halo name & the praise of the original Halo.

Now i dont need another Halo game in my collection, i have enough, i still think 343 will make the best Halo game yet. The talent behind 343 has much more, & much better experience with a variety of games. I have a feeling they will put Bungie & the rest of the Halo games to shame.

How can anyone be happy or unhappy with something they haven't actually seen? Are they psychic or just psychotic? For those that don't want another Halo, fine; we won't require you to buy and play the game. Happy now?

How can anyone be happy or unhappy with something they haven't actually seen? Are they psychic or just psychotic? For those that don't want another Halo, fine; we won't require you to buy and play the game. Happy now?

HAMMERCLAW

Halo 4 may turn out to be great, but you can make solid predictions given the information we already have.

For example, I dislike that Firefight is gone. Legitimate complaint.

And, they are copying Call of Dutys Scoring and ranking system. Kevlar101

How can anyone be happy or unhappy with something they haven't actually seen? Are they psychic or just psychotic? For those that don't want another Halo, fine; we won't require you to buy and play the game. Happy now?

HAMMERCLAW

If they are going to try and make the franchise their own, somethings aren't going to come along for the ride. As of right now, there's no indication that Forge or Theater will be apart of this game either, which I believe are much more significant.

If they are going to try and make the franchise their own, somethings aren't going to come along for the ride. As of right now, there's no indication that Forge or Theater will be apart of this game either, which I believe are much more significant.

Yusuke420

To be truthful, I really didn't spend that much in Forge or Theater for Halo, most of the time was spent in the single-player campaign or sometimes in multiplayer.

Halo 3 and Reach are awful (Reach is awful in terms of campaign and multiplayer) but Bungie gets a free pass.

No one has even played Halo 4 and it's already the worst game ever.

Bungie made one good Halo game let's be serious here

If they are going to try and make the franchise their own, somethings aren't going to come along for the ride. As of right now, there's no indication that Forge or Theater will be apart of this game either, which I believe are much more significant.

Yusuke420

They mentioned Forge would be in the game but they couldn't go into details yet.

No one even cares about Theater mode since Bungie screwed it up in Reach (but again, let's give Bungie a free pass for making one good Halo!) but I'm sure it'll be in.

Well, it is a new developer taking on an existing franchise. If they'd keep all the original stuff in, and still wanted to have some quality to it, they couldn't do anything new. And then the obvious reaction from everyone would be "rehash". At least give them a chance to add their own flavour to it.

As for halo's past, it's pretty damn great. Now looking back at the games they don't seem so spectacular, but then again going back to play half life 2 now is borderline cringeworthy. At the time it was one of the best fps franchises out there, and it'll probably be remembered as such. You can't really fault bungie for what they did with the franchise, and it'll probably be pretty damn difficult for 343 to stand out. While there's still a lot to add or change, there's also a lot that can be messed up.

But it's going to have Kinect support... who cares what it looks or plays like?

Shame-usBlackley

i'm gonna reserve my statments till i get the full game or a thorough review but dont like that they are going to make this into another trilogy, halo 4 is good enough for me as the cliffhanger on 3 needs explanation.

I love Halo, but Reach IMO was pretty awful. Nobody is giving 343 a chance. How does the multiplayer "fail" if your complaint is that it uses a different ranking system? Reach ranked how much you played, not how good you were. It needed to change, and the new way it works is a pretty good idea. Armor abilities are here to stay, and our new ability to make custom loadouts seems good.

And whats with all the no more Firefight complaining? It didnt work in Halo. Halo is not a game built around sitting back and defending, the design is more built for going out there and getting the bad guys. In the ridiculous amount of time I've played Reach I rarely touched Firefight. You were forced to sit back and fight with the DMR long range and if you attack you get punished by being mowed down immediately. With this new Spartan Ops mode, we're going to get maps specifically designed with 4 people in mind and made to play to Halo's strengths. If you really want a survival mode that bad, you can play the multitude of other games that feature them (I would recommend Gears of War 3).

People really need to take a chill pill and wait till we actually see the game in action before deciding what to think. It's strange, people complain when COD comes out and is virtually unchanged from last year, but when a game actually takes risks and changes things up people get upset and want things to stay the same.

Are they copying the CoD duck and heal system, too? Oops, Infinity Ward swiped that from Halo, didn't they?

play the game first then be unhappy

I love Halo, but Reach IMO was pretty awful. Nobody is giving 343 a chance. How does the multiplayer "fail" if your complaint is that it uses a different ranking system? Reach ranked how much you played, not how good you were. It needed to change, and the new way it works is a pretty good idea. Armor abilities are here to stay, and our new ability to make custom loadouts seems good.

And whats with all the no more Firefight complaining? It didnt work in Halo. Halo is not a game built around sitting back and defending, the design is more built for going out there and getting the bad guys. In the ridiculous amount of time I've played Reach I rarely touched Firefight. You were forced to sit back and fight with the DMR long range and if you attack you get punished by being mowed down immediately. With this new Spartan Ops mode, we're going to get maps specifically designed with 4 people in mind and made to play to Halo's strengths. If you really want a survival mode that bad, you can play the multitude of other games that feature them (I would recommend Gears of War 3).

People really need to take a chill pill and wait till we actually see the game in action before deciding what to think. It's strange, people complain when COD comes out and is virtually unchanged from last year, but when a game actually takes risks and changes things up people get upset and want things to stay the same.

CrossChecked

Not much more to add on to this.

Except that I'm honestly only checking out Halo 4 because its Halo. I've had some of my greatest multiplayer experiences playing the core Halo games (1,2,3). Reach was terrible and I must admit that I do dread armor abilities...However, I'm hopeful that the game will be great just due to the fact that its Halo.