Have Bethesda lost the plot?

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#1 Posted by thereal25 (1783 posts) -

Now I'm not a hater but looking at their e3 showcase it all just looked like glitz without substance.

Is every gamer is impressed by cheesy humor, explosions and corny music to match?

What happened to thought provoking themes, immersion and quality story/character development/writing?

Just looking at games like the new wolfenstein, rage 2, doom eternal etc... I'm not sure I'm feeling it anymore. How 'bout you guys?

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#2 Edited by RSM-HQ (8410 posts) -

As a developer? Yes. As a Publisher? No.

Sad point is Bethesda Studios has not done a notable product since The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. And even that divided fans because despite the dungeon and map improvements it heavily stripped down RPG mechanics. Which the series had already been doing far too much previously. Now, TES was more or less an Action game with light RPG mechanics. Just like a higher quality Fall Out 3. Which itself was a low quality Oblivion.

Yet as a Publisher. With Dishonored, Prey, The Evil Within, and D00M. It's hard not to give credit its due.

While D00M: Eternal seems a bit edgy, bloated, and missing the point in my opinion, seems to be a highly anticipated game. Unlike Battle Royale for a crappy online game no one wanted. And I'm personally excited to see gameplay for GhostWire.

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#3 Edited by Lembu90 (580 posts) -

Even without the microtransactions, Wolfenstein: Young Blood will disappoint people.

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#4 Posted by Macutchi (6791 posts) -
@RSM-HQ said:

As a developer? Yes. As a Publisher? No.

agreed. this gen is almost up and all we've had from game studios are a last gen fallout 3.5 masquerading as this gen fallout 4, a bunch of underwhelming elder scrolls mmos, umpteen ports of skyrim and a few mobile games. really disappointing.

@RSM-HQ said:

With Dishonored, Prey, The Evil Within, and D00M. It's hard not to give credit its due.

very true. but personally devastated we won't be seeing a dishonored 3

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#5 Posted by uninspiredcup (33649 posts) -

People get paid in some form to clap, or they wield in easily impressed dunces.

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#6 Posted by SoNin360 (7088 posts) -

I feel like they're really out of touch with most of their audience right now. I'm almost worried at this point about the next Elder Scrolls game and what kind of dumb gimmick they'll probably try to pull with it. I didn't watch their conference this year and I don't plan on watching anymore. It's just a cringe-fest and it's hard to watch, and that they're still trying to make something more out of Fallout 76 is a bit embarrassing. So I dunno... I was actually a fan of Fallout 4 but I don't expect another "real" Fallout game in a long time since it seems like they just want to milk the franchise via microtransactions (see Fallout 76 and Fallout Shelter)

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#7 Posted by RSM-HQ (8410 posts) -
@Macutchi said:

very true. but personally devastated we won't be seeing a dishonored 3

Haven't played the sequel yet (will correct sooner than later) but had a lot of fun with the first game. Whatever they go on to develop so long as they keep that intricate level design, I'm on-board.

Sometimes a fresh start is a good idea also. It's why I'm personally ok with no The Evil Within 3; hoping GhostWire is more than just an interesting premise though. Because that's all we got at e3

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#8 Posted by Planeforger (18039 posts) -

@thereal25 said:

What happened to thought provoking themes, immersion and quality story/character development/writing?

Why would anyone expect thought provoking themes or quality story/character development/writing from Bethesda?

They've always been good at creating immersive world, but they've never been good at filling them with interesting writing or quests. Even their best game, Morrowind, wasn't particularly strong in that area.

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#9 Posted by Willy105 (24836 posts) -

As a developer, they make a great framework for a game that a good developer (like Obsidian) can use to create an amazing RPG.


As a publisher, they release a lot of niche fan service game that makes people happy.

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#10 Posted by Vaidream45 (1962 posts) -

Bethesda just tried to sell us with zero gameplay and a bunch of cutscenes. Had I not known better I would think these are movies they are advertising and not video games. They are very out of touch with consumers right now. Who really gets excited by a cutscene these days? Especially with games we have never seen and we don’t have any idea what the actual game will be like. I’m not a Nintendo fanboy but I really think they did it right. Every game presented had tons of gameplay in it. You can tell they are selling video games and not movies.

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#11 Posted by watercrack445 (1651 posts) -

All those three games have a lot things that are common to each other than differences

First-person shooter

Fast-paced gameplay

cannon fodders AI

futurist weapons

even same visual styles

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#12 Posted by thereal25 (1783 posts) -

@RSM-HQ said:

As a developer? Yes. As a Publisher? No.

Sad point is Bethesda Studios has not done a notable product since The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. And even that divided fans because despite the dungeon and map improvements it heavily stripped down RPG mechanics. Which the series had already been doing far too much previously. Now, TES was more or less an Action game with light RPG mechanics. Just like a higher quality Fall Out 3. Which itself was a low quality Oblivion.

Yet as a Publisher. With Dishonored, Prey, The Evil Within, and D00M. It's hard not to give credit its due.

While D00M: Eternal seems a bit edgy, bloated, and missing the point in my opinion, seems to be a highly anticipated game. Unlike Battle Royale for a crappy online game no one wanted. And I'm personally excited to see gameplay for GhostWire.

All good points. I agree with The Evil Within - it's probably their finest achievement in recent times. I haven't played the sequel yet though.

I'll look into GhostWire.

@vaidream45 said:

Bethesda just tried to sell us with zero gameplay and a bunch of cutscenes. Had I not known better I would think these are movies they are advertising and not video games. They are very out of touch with consumers right now. Who really gets excited by a cutscene these days? Especially with games we have never seen and we don’t have any idea what the actual game will be like. I’m not a Nintendo fanboy but I really think they did it right. Every game presented had tons of gameplay in it. You can tell they are selling video games and not movies.

Ikr, some of those trailers are so cringe-worthy!

@SoNin360 said:

I feel like they're really out of touch with most of their audience right now. I'm almost worried at this point about the next Elder Scrolls game and what kind of dumb gimmick they'll probably try to pull with it. I didn't watch their conference this year and I don't plan on watching anymore. It's just a cringe-fest and it's hard to watch, and that they're still trying to make something more out of Fallout 76 is a bit embarrassing. So I dunno... I was actually a fan of Fallout 4 but I don't expect another "real" Fallout game in a long time since it seems like they just want to milk the franchise via microtransactions (see Fallout 76 and Fallout Shelter)

I'm worried too. I'll give them a chance, but I hope their future games better have a less cartoony feel about them.

@watercrack445 said:

All those three games have a lot things that are common to each other than differences

First-person shooter

Fast-paced gameplay

cannon fodders AI

futurist weapons

even same visual styles

Yes, it's the fast-paced gameplay and cannon fodder AI that bothers me the most, I think. I just don't see why Doom, wolfenstein and Rage have to be that way. Because it just starts to become mindless pretty quick - there's no opportunity for tactics or strategy. All three games (and fallout too) have gone downhill recently imo.

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#13 Posted by Macutchi (6791 posts) -
@RSM-HQ said:

hoping GhostWire is more than just an interesting premise though. Because that's all we got at e3

yeah was interesting. looked like it had a bit of death stranding and shadow warrior 2 mixed in there. not really sure what to make of it beyond that at this early stage

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#14 Posted by Ovirew (9076 posts) -

When I saw that bit of the DOOM Eternal gameplay and the slayer jumped in the ship and flew to that world with a bunch of demons scavenging about, and then they all came to greet him, that was pretty awesome. Quick, to-the-point plot bumpers set the tone and get you pumped to blow up some demons, canon-fodder or not.

I will say, I was a little disappointed with the 2016 game when I had it on XBox, but I have been considering giving it another go on Switch because I didn't get very far into the game before and there were things I did enjoy about it. It wasn't a perfect DOOM game, but it got some things right. And maybe it revitalized the series after all of these years.

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#15 Posted by thereal25 (1783 posts) -

@Ovirew said:

When I saw that bit of the DOOM Eternal gameplay and the slayer jumped in the ship and flew to that world with a bunch of demons scavenging about, and then they all came to greet him, that was pretty awesome. Quick, to-the-point plot bumpers set the tone and get you pumped to blow up some demons, canon-fodder or not.

I will say, I was a little disappointed with the 2016 game when I had it on XBox, but I have been considering giving it another go on Switch because I didn't get very far into the game before and there were things I did enjoy about it. It wasn't a perfect DOOM game, but it got some things right. And maybe it revitalized the series after all of these years.

I still prefer Doom 3. With the latest Dooms there's just so much speed and verticality that you might as well be flying in a space craft. Everywhere you see ridiculous jump platforms and portals while dealing with enemies that are so quick they force you to be constantly on the move. It's basically a reflex tester - but it get old fast. I just don't like the direction they've moved the series in, but I can understand that some might be happy with it.

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#16 Edited by Yams1980 (3511 posts) -

If they fail on delivering with TES 6 then I think they should pretty much just give up and do publishing.

I think currently they know their games gonna be awful and i'd imagine a lot of delays with TES6 so they try to make it turn out at least half decent.

It'd be pretty funny though to see them rush it out half assed like Fallout 76 and fill it with tons of microtransactions. A nice fitting end to them as a developer.

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#17 Edited by BaelNergal (193 posts) -

I think they've been increasingly too focused on profit to properly develop games anymore. They're a good publisher, but I don't think they publish enough games to make that their business.

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#18 Edited by mrbojangles25 (44044 posts) -

@RSM-HQ said:

As a developer? Yes. As a Publisher? No.

Agree completely. Bethesda owns some great IP's and studios and it looks like they generally let them do what they need to do, which is why so many of the games they publish come out great.

As developers, well, it's so-so; don't get me wrong, I love me some Elder Scrolls and Fallout, but the quality of those titles is questionable at best.

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#19 Posted by PernicioEnigma (6078 posts) -

Yeah the Bethesda E3 was pretty bad. The crowd didn't help either, who were obviously pressured by Bethesda to cheer like idiots somehow (how else do you account for all the cheering Blades got?)

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#20 Posted by Amnesiac23 (8452 posts) -

I'm not sure what changed in their management, but it seems like they have swapped creativity for cash grabbing. I'm really hoping they will get their **** together.

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#21 Posted by RSM-HQ (8410 posts) -
@Amnesiac23 said:

I'm really hoping they will get their **** together.

Don't we all.

Don't we all. . .

I mean honestly never is it fun trashing on games. It would benefit me more if the games Bethesda Studios develop be worth praise and play. But what Bethesda offer in recent memory is_