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#1101  Edited By Metamania
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So what did you guys get for Christmas? Did Santa make you a happy man or woman? :)

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#1102 LuzerGS
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@BranKetra said:

@LuzerGS said:

@BranKetra said:

@LuzerGS: Start with Halo 4 and I think you will avoid any comical stuff.

Haha cool cool, so I take it Halo 3 and Reach still have odd bits of unintentional humour?

I can tolerate it I think, just not Halo 1 + 2. Heh.

I will have to play Halo: Reach before I can say much about its content. Halo 3 and Halo: Reach are both by Bungie and that developer also made Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2. Halo 4 is by 343 studious and as someone who has beaten the original trilogy many times, I notice the differences. Some are subtle while other things are more distinct.

I think the humor in the numbered Halo games you consider unintentional may in fact be intentional. Much of it is.

Ahh okay lol I guess I never thought of it in that manner.

Well I bought Halo 4, Reach and ODST today because of awesome prices (Boxing Day sale and whatnot). Can't wait to play em' and I really appreciate you taking the time to write up your impressions.

Cheers!

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#1103  Edited By LuzerGS
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@Metamania said:

So what did you guys get for Christmas? Did Santa make you a happy man or woman? :)

I'm a perpetual sad sack hehe.

I got a blu-ray of one of the best anime films ever:

Akira - 25th Anniversary Edition.

Sweet sauce right!

How 'bout you, what d'ya get?

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#1104 Metamania
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@LuzerGS said:

@Metamania said:

So what did you guys get for Christmas? Did Santa make you a happy man or woman? :)

I'm a perpetual sad sack hehe.

I got a blu-ray of one of the best anime films ever:

Akira - 25th Anniversary Edition.

Sweet sauce right!

How 'bout you, what d'ya get?

Nothing big, but a few gift cards from FYE. I'll be putting those to good use.

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@Metamania said:

So what did you guys get for Christmas? Did Santa make you a happy man or woman? :)

Not in over 30 years but this is supposed to be the season of giving anyway!

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#1106 1PMrFister
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@Metamania: I got Super Mario 3D World and some Girl Scouts brand chocolates, and that was it. I gave more gifts away than I received. Oh well, like dracula said, it's the season of giving and all that stuff.

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#1107  Edited By branketra
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@Metamania said:

So what did you guys get for Christmas? Did Santa make you a happy man or woman? :)

I got a belt, money, and something else. Also, I was given the Prima Tekken Tag Tournament 2 guide. It has been helpful because I know some new strategies and can play as Devil Jin now. I have been winning by applying the basic fundamentals which is rewarding. I actually feel like I am learning something useful.

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Ahh okay lol I guess I never thought of it in that manner.

Well I bought Halo 4, Reach and ODST today because of awesome prices (Boxing Day sale and whatnot). Can't wait to play em' and I really appreciate you taking the time to write up your impressions.

Cheers!

Sure. Thank you for your appreciation of them. I actually often post them here because people like to converse about them along with their own.

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#1108 c_rakestraw  Moderator
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@Randolph said:

I'm just kind of lurking the last week or two. Granted the new job has taken an obscene amount of time away from me, but it's not just that. I still have time to post, but now a days I'm seeing less and less of other regulars, and more spam, some of it stayed up so long the other day that it simply fell off the front page of Games Discussion, no one even bothered trying to moderate it, and the same is happening at times in the console specific forums. (it just doesn't get noticed there because those forums are dead in the water, outside the Nintendo forum, anyway) It's just so discouraging, so most days I still visit, see all this, and just navigate away.

The state of this place as a whole, not just this forum, is just so discouraging right now.

Know how you feel. Haven't felt compelled to drop by here in recent weeks. I mean, yeah, work has definitely stolen a bunch of time away from me (got so much on my plate that I ended up working through a good part of Christmas day), but even then... it's just hard to motivate myself to drop by here. I don't know if it's just because the forums are traditionally slow this time of year or what, but the place has definitely lost its luster.

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#1109  Edited By 1PMrFister
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@c_rakestraw said:
@Randolph said:

I'm just kind of lurking the last week or two. Granted the new job has taken an obscene amount of time away from me, but it's not just that. I still have time to post, but now a days I'm seeing less and less of other regulars, and more spam, some of it stayed up so long the other day that it simply fell off the front page of Games Discussion, no one even bothered trying to moderate it, and the same is happening at times in the console specific forums. (it just doesn't get noticed there because those forums are dead in the water, outside the Nintendo forum, anyway) It's just so discouraging, so most days I still visit, see all this, and just navigate away.

The state of this place as a whole, not just this forum, is just so discouraging right now.

Know how you feel. Haven't felt compelled to drop by here in recent weeks. I mean, yeah, work has definitely stolen a bunch of time away from me (got so much on my plate that I ended up working through a good part of Christmas day), but even then... it's just hard to motivate myself to drop by here. I don't know if it's just because the forums are traditionally slow this time of year or what, but the place has definitely lost its luster.

Yeah, this place is really in the throes of death. The signs are everywhere, and experience has taught me that there isn't much that can be done when a forum reaches this point. It's always sad to see a community slowly fade away, but that's life.

...So, anyone have any good ideas of other gaming forums to frequent (NeoGAF aside).

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#1110  Edited By branketra
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#1111 The_Last_Ride
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@Metamania said:

So what did you guys get for Christmas? Did Santa make you a happy man or woman? :)

i got socks, two sweaters and a jacket

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@c_rakestraw said:
@Randolph said:

I'm just kind of lurking the last week or two. Granted the new job has taken an obscene amount of time away from me, but it's not just that. I still have time to post, but now a days I'm seeing less and less of other regulars, and more spam, some of it stayed up so long the other day that it simply fell off the front page of Games Discussion, no one even bothered trying to moderate it, and the same is happening at times in the console specific forums. (it just doesn't get noticed there because those forums are dead in the water, outside the Nintendo forum, anyway) It's just so discouraging, so most days I still visit, see all this, and just navigate away.

The state of this place as a whole, not just this forum, is just so discouraging right now.

Know how you feel. Haven't felt compelled to drop by here in recent weeks. I mean, yeah, work has definitely stolen a bunch of time away from me (got so much on my plate that I ended up working through a good part of Christmas day), but even then... it's just hard to motivate myself to drop by here. I don't know if it's just because the forums are traditionally slow this time of year or what, but the place has definitely lost its luster.

Another reason why I just stay in this thread......

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#1113 yagr_zero
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Heh, my parents got me Pikmin 3 for the Wii U for Christmas. Only problem is, I don't have a Wii U. Aren't parents awesome? :P

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#1114 1PMrFister
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Got some free Steam games as gifts from my friends for my birthday. Spelunky, To The Moon, and Papo & Yo, all games I've heard decent things about. Definitely wasn't expecting this. I got more games on Steam this year than I ever thought I would own. Maybe I should reconsider ponying up for a gaming PC...

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#1115 The_Last_Ride
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i have been working full time for the last two weeks aswell since university is done, i totally agree

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#1116 branketra
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@Yagr_Zero said:

Heh, my parents got me Pikmin 3 for the Wii U for Christmas. Only problem is, I don't have a Wii U. Aren't parents awesome? :P

That must be their way of suggesting you get one.

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#1117 yagr_zero
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@BranKetra said:

@Yagr_Zero said:

Heh, my parents got me Pikmin 3 for the Wii U for Christmas. Only problem is, I don't have a Wii U. Aren't parents awesome? :P

That must be their way of suggesting you get one.

That could be it. Sadly I'm going to have to wait to some time before I can get one.

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#1118 1PMrFister
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Ugh, f*ck ZombiU's ending sequence. I want to punch the designer who thought it would be a good idea to disable the save file if you screw up and force you to restart the entire game to try for the best ending again. This is a 6-10 hour game, not a 30-minute arcade title. The best ending is barely any different from the bad one anyway, so why bother? Pure bullshit.

Just needed to vent that real quick.

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#1119  Edited By branketra
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@Yagr_Zero said:

@BranKetra said:

@Yagr_Zero said:

Heh, my parents got me Pikmin 3 for the Wii U for Christmas. Only problem is, I don't have a Wii U. Aren't parents awesome? :P

That must be their way of suggesting you get one.

That could be it. Sadly I'm going to have to wait to some time before I can get one.

At least you have a game for that video game console already, so in the future you may buy a Wii U and save about $60 that you might have used to buy that also.

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#1120  Edited By The_Last_Ride
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So how has your year in gaming been?

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#1121 Randolph
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I had a long post about recent exploits and the wonder of finally finding the mute the sub-human XBL asshats option on my Xbox One, thought about the responses I would likely receive, and just navigated away.

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#1122 The_Last_Ride
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@Randolph said:

I had a long post about recent exploits and the wonder of finally finding the mute the sub-human XBL asshats option on my Xbox One, thought about the responses I would likely receive, and just navigated away.

You got the X1? What games you have for it?

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#1123  Edited By Randolph
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@The_Last_Ride said:

@Randolph said:

I had a long post about recent exploits and the wonder of finally finding the mute the sub-human XBL asshats option on my Xbox One, thought about the responses I would likely receive, and just navigated away.

You got the X1? What games you have for it?

I got it on Day One. Battlefield 4, COD: Ghosts, AC4: BF, Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, NFS Rivals, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, and Killer Instinct. (which sits at around 96% of my total play time still)

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#1124 The_Last_Ride
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@Randolph said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

@Randolph said:

I had a long post about recent exploits and the wonder of finally finding the mute the sub-human XBL asshats option on my Xbox One, thought about the responses I would likely receive, and just navigated away.

You got the X1? What games you have for it?

I got it on Day One. Battlefield 4, COD: Ghosts, AC4: BF, Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, NFS Rivals, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, and Killer Instinct. (which sits at around 96% of my total play time still)

Holy crap, well we will be lucky if we get X1 next year

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I am officially done with The Last of Us just before we roll into 2014. That game was good and stressful. I had so much trouble doing things in a stealth type of way like the game initially tried to convince me was possible. But that was mostly due to the fact that i got lost very easily in some areas. I also hate to spoil the story for anybody, but i have to say **** Joel.

Gotta start on Ni No Kuni next

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#1126  Edited By branketra
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Today, I went by my local GameStop and found it closed, its sign removed, and its contents emptied. I have not been there since a couple weeks after Black Friday and it was there before I first moved to this city, so it was surprising to see it gone.

There are two other GameSpots within three miles, but I visited there often over the years. I understand my fondness of that store (and it being GameStop of all places) might be idiosyncratic.

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Tearaway is amazing. That is all.

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#1128 The_Last_Ride
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@chicknfeet said:

I am officially done with The Last of Us just before we roll into 2014. That game was good and stressful. I had so much trouble doing things in a stealth type of way like the game initially tried to convince me was possible. But that was mostly due to the fact that i got lost very easily in some areas. I also hate to spoil the story for anybody, but i have to say **** Joel.

Gotta start on Ni No Kuni next

Ni No Kuni is amazing

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#1129  Edited By Dracula68
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@The_Last_Ride said:

@chicknfeet said:

I am officially done with The Last of Us just before we roll into 2014. That game was good and stressful. I had so much trouble doing things in a stealth type of way like the game initially tried to convince me was possible. But that was mostly due to the fact that i got lost very easily in some areas. I also hate to spoil the story for anybody, but i have to say **** Joel.

Gotta start on Ni No Kuni next

Ni No Kuni is amazing

It will keep you busy a long time with everything you can do. I loved my time with it last Jan!

Edit: Apparently according to users you played the best game last year. I voted Ni No Kuni out of those. Easy pick.

Check the worst one? The game we have put a ton of hours into already...lol

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#1130 Metamania
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I think I'll be picking up the Xbox 360 Holiday Bundle very soon.

I took the time to clean it up with a duster that I picked up for electronics. I was hoping to just clean it all out and then see what happens and no luck. it died on me again. I'm saying goodbye to that one very quick.

On another note, at least I'll get Tomb Raider and Halo 4 with the bundle, along with a new system, so it's not a total loss. But does anyone know of a good place that has great warranty, so that in case the new system messes up on me again, I can just get something done under it?

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#1131  Edited By Randolph
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I took back a handful of Xbone titles, cashed in on a promotion to get a new game for nine bucks and got Mario 3D World. The Xbox One multi game branching out experiment was a big failure, and a massive waste of money.

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#1132  Edited By branketra
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@Metamania said:

I think I'll be picking up the Xbox 360 Holiday Bundle very soon.

I took the time to clean it up with a duster that I picked up for electronics. I was hoping to just clean it all out and then see what happens and no luck. it died on me again. I'm saying goodbye to that one very quick.

On another note, at least I'll get Tomb Raider and Halo 4 with the bundle, along with a new system, so it's not a total loss. But does anyone know of a good place that has great warranty, so that in case the new system messes up on me again, I can just get something done under it?

I purchased my Xbox 360 bundle (that one you plan on buying) from Best Buy. You can get a Geek Squad warranty for it that will last years. They should take care of repairs and replacements otherwise you will have to deal with Microsoft's limited warranty.

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#1133 Metamania
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@BranKetra said:

@Metamania said:

I think I'll be picking up the Xbox 360 Holiday Bundle very soon.

I took the time to clean it up with a duster that I picked up for electronics. I was hoping to just clean it all out and then see what happens and no luck. it died on me again. I'm saying goodbye to that one very quick.

On another note, at least I'll get Tomb Raider and Halo 4 with the bundle, along with a new system, so it's not a total loss. But does anyone know of a good place that has great warranty, so that in case the new system messes up on me again, I can just get something done under it?

I purchased my Xbox 360 bundle (that one you plan on buying) from Best Buy. You can get a Geek Squad warranty for it that will last years. They should take care of repairs and replacements otherwise you will have to deal with Microsoft's limited warranty.

Except that Best Buy's warranty is a bit expensive, about $60.00 or so. Plus, it may be difficult to travel there, due to the harsh winter right now.

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#1134  Edited By garfield360uk
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@Randolph:

What did you get rid of?

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#1135  Edited By Randolph
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@Garfield360UK: Battlefield 4, Forza 5, Ryse, and NFS: Rivals.

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It's so cold in Toronto. So damn cold. I hate you cold. I hate you winter. It's warmer in my office but I'm still damn cold. -20C, feels like -29C right now.

pls help.

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@haziqonfire said:

It's so cold in Toronto. So damn cold. I hate you cold. I hate you winter. It's warmer in my office but I'm still damn cold. -20C, feels like -29C right now.

pls help.

I am pretty close. -10C and feels like -20C but I am a fan of cold weather and snow.

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#1138  Edited By 1PMrFister
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@Dracula68: I may not be Canadian, but I'll be freezing along with you guys come Monday. It's supposed to be 3F (-16C) on that day, and we'll have snow hitting the day before. No way am I leaving the house that day.

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Wow. I saw those temperature readings the other day. During a newscast the other day, I noticed there was a display showing a difference of over 120 degrees between the lowest and highest temps in the US. I happen to live in S. Florida, soo.... yeah. It's 68F outside right now. Stay safe up there.

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@Dracula68 said:

@haziqonfire said:

It's so cold in Toronto. So damn cold. I hate you cold. I hate you winter. It's warmer in my office but I'm still damn cold. -20C, feels like -29C right now.

pls help.

I am pretty close. -10C and feels like -20C but I am a fan of cold weather and snow.

I'm not too far off from you. It's gonna get down to -5C tomorrow night which is going to feel great come 6am Sunday morning...>_>

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#1141  Edited By Dracula68
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@chicknfeet said:

@Dracula68 said:

@haziqonfire said:

It's so cold in Toronto. So damn cold. I hate you cold. I hate you winter. It's warmer in my office but I'm still damn cold. -20C, feels like -29C right now.

pls help.

I am pretty close. -10C and feels like -20C but I am a fan of cold weather and snow.

I'm not too far off from you. It's gonna get down to -5C tomorrow night which is going to feel great come 6am Sunday morning...>_>

You're gonna be that cold Sunday? We are warming up for Sun and Mon then back to my reality come Tuesday morning. I decided against a leg Tat that day because there is no way in hell I am wearing shorts when it will be below zero with the wind chill during the day.

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#1142 branketra
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@Metamania said:

@BranKetra said:

@Metamania said:

I think I'll be picking up the Xbox 360 Holiday Bundle very soon.

I took the time to clean it up with a duster that I picked up for electronics. I was hoping to just clean it all out and then see what happens and no luck. it died on me again. I'm saying goodbye to that one very quick.

On another note, at least I'll get Tomb Raider and Halo 4 with the bundle, along with a new system, so it's not a total loss. But does anyone know of a good place that has great warranty, so that in case the new system messes up on me again, I can just get something done under it?

I purchased my Xbox 360 bundle (that one you plan on buying) from Best Buy. You can get a Geek Squad warranty for it that will last years. They should take care of repairs and replacements otherwise you will have to deal with Microsoft's limited warranty.

Except that Best Buy's warranty is a bit expensive, about $60.00 or so. Plus, it may be difficult to travel there, due to the harsh winter right now.

In that case, there might be a business dedicated completely to fixing Xbox 360s (or it would be advertised as such). I have seen commercials for them throughout my years in the area I currently live at. Now that the eighth generation of video game consoles is available, they might be closing or renovating for newer consoles. They may be worth looking for.

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#1143  Edited By Randolph
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@gpuFX16 said:

Wow. I saw those temperature readings the other day. During a newscast the other day, I noticed there was a display showing a difference of over 120 degrees between the lowest and highest temps in the US. I happen to live in S. Florida, soo.... yeah. It's 68F outside right now. Stay safe up there.

For people in Florida, that's jacket weather. :) I lived in Jacksonville for two years in my childhood, found it bizarre that people would be wearing thick jackets in 60F temps. I live in southwest Georgia, and they consider this area to practically be Canada this time of the year.

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#1144 Randolph
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Seems like my mental block that kept me from posting has been lifted. Getting rid of the Xbox One and not trying to play a fighting game has me much more optimistic and interested about my hobby. (seriously, I will never buy another fighter in my life, I've been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole) Two free games with Plus in Contrast and Resogun, and the excellent Mario 3D World in my Wii U. I'm in a good zone right now.

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#1145  Edited By gpuFX16
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@Randolph said:

Seems like my mental block that kept me from posting has been lifted. Getting rid of the Xbox One and not trying to play a fighting game has me much more optimistic and interested about my hobby. (seriously, I will never buy another fighter in my life, I've been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole) Two free games with Plus in Contrast and Resogun, and the excellent Mario 3D World in my Wii U. I'm in a good zone right now.

After I played Street Fighter IV and the experience of those overly hostile online guys plus the skill barrier, I pretty much gave up fighters. You get to that point where you say to yourself "I'm playing a game, shouldn't I be having fun, or enjoying myself to some extent?" Not saying they're completely not enjoyable, because they are, but they're for a different audience that does not include me.

I found myself enjoying playing again so much more after I just quit online entirely and stuck to my single-player stuff. Most recently, I had some time with Rayman Legends over the holiday break and I had just an absolute blast. Fantastic stuff.

...And yes, people down here will start grabbing coats at anything below 70F, which is kinda silly, but then during the summer, I still see folks walking around in hooded jackets- black ones at times- in 90+ degree weather. Go figure.

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#1146  Edited By Dracula68
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@1PMrFister said:

@Dracula68: I may not be Canadian, but I'll be freezing along with you guys come Monday. It's supposed to be 3F (-16C) on that day, and we'll have snow hitting the day before. No way am I leaving the house that day.

I saw this post last night and it was blank...lol All I saw was the @ my name...lol I'm not in Canada, I'm in NY and chicknfeet is in Georgia which I keep forgetting and thinking Florida.

I had no TV yesterday. Not the end of the world but when you wanna watch the news/weather it gets rather annoying. Hoping cable guy will come today but seeing as we had a foot or more of snow yesterday methinks he will not come till Monday.

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#1147 Randolph
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@chicknfeet: Oh that's interesting, Drac. What part of Georgia are you in chickn? I'm in the southwest corner, Albany, to be precise.

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#1148 yagr_zero
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@Dracula68 said:

@1PMrFister said:

@Dracula68: I may not be Canadian, but I'll be freezing along with you guys come Monday. It's supposed to be 3F (-16C) on that day, and we'll have snow hitting the day before. No way am I leaving the house that day.

I saw this post last night and it was blank...lol All I saw was the @ my name...lol I'm not in Canada, I'm in NY and chicknfeet is in Georgia which I keep forgetting and thinking Florida.

I had no TV yesterday. Not the end of the world but when you wanna watch the news/weather it gets rather annoying. Hoping cable guy will come today but seeing as we had a foot or more of snow yesterday methinks he will not come till Monday.

You're getting snow dumped on you and it's in the 50s where I am. >_>

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#1149 chicknfeet
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@Randolph said:

@chicknfeet: Oh that's interesting, Drac. What part of Georgia are you in chickn? I'm in the southwest corner, Albany, to be precise.

I'm in the northish east in Savannah

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#1150 Metamania
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@BranKetra said:

@Metamania said:

@BranKetra said:

@Metamania said:

I think I'll be picking up the Xbox 360 Holiday Bundle very soon.

I took the time to clean it up with a duster that I picked up for electronics. I was hoping to just clean it all out and then see what happens and no luck. it died on me again. I'm saying goodbye to that one very quick.

On another note, at least I'll get Tomb Raider and Halo 4 with the bundle, along with a new system, so it's not a total loss. But does anyone know of a good place that has great warranty, so that in case the new system messes up on me again, I can just get something done under it?

I purchased my Xbox 360 bundle (that one you plan on buying) from Best Buy. You can get a Geek Squad warranty for it that will last years. They should take care of repairs and replacements otherwise you will have to deal with Microsoft's limited warranty.

Except that Best Buy's warranty is a bit expensive, about $60.00 or so. Plus, it may be difficult to travel there, due to the harsh winter right now.

In that case, there might be a business dedicated completely to fixing Xbox 360s (or it would be advertised as such). I have seen commercials for them throughout my years in the area I currently live at. Now that the eighth generation of video game consoles is available, they might be closing or renovating for newer consoles. They may be worth looking for.

Actually, I decided to go to my Target, the same Target that I work for, and buy my system there, which is what I did yesterday afternoon. I also bought the warranty plan they had, which was nearly 290, but by knocking it down with my discounts (red card, team member discount), I knocked it down to $250. :)