Fallout 3/New Vegas: Ridiculously Easy

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#1 beast_oftheeast
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I have read a number of reviews and posts on F3 and NV that claim the game is hard, to quote one 'die every five minutes hard'. While F1 and F2 could be that at times, I find F3/NV to be ludicrously easy. First of all, it's super-easy to break. Half of the SPECIAL stats are useless as are a quarter of the skills, not counting practical overlaps with some of them, which means you can ignore them totally. You can basically have a 4 Int, 1 Per and 1 Cha with no real effect at all once you hit level 5 - except that you'll have crap-tons of luck and agility. There is hardly any 'in-game' difference, the lack of game mechanics or story effects to make stat differences meaningful outside of combat pretty much ruins any incentive to not min-max in this way. Yeah, you could have a 10 perception and be...annoyed by the confusing number of red dots. This is especially awesome in NV because you can easily break every Casino within a few minutes of playing Blackjack. Even if you don't break your character, the game is SUPER easy. A few random encounters or bad luck will end up with you dead, but 90% of the times I've died it was because I fell off a cliff or walked into like 2 mines at once. Enemies are herp-a-derps and generally inferior in all ways except (possibly) hit points. You basically just run up to everyone and shoot them in the head with the most damaging weapon you can, and then move on to the next guy. If you make sure to hoard nick-nacks worth selling you can easily buy and convert ALL your ammunition into your weapon of choice (whether it be Gobi, AMR, YCS, etc.) and either sell or convert every other bit of ammo you find. With jurry-rigging and hand-loader you end up with tons of vastly powerful ammo and the ability to repair power armor with glasses, making for thousands of caps in mad profit. Now I will offer one speculation as to why some people might find it harder: they try to shoot enemies from far away. VATS totally sucks at range. Now, on PC, with max view distance, long range shots are basically executions. But using VATS or aiming at a distance with the guns can be kind of difficult. However, if you zig-zag to within a couple meters of enemies you really take no more damage and can basically kill anything up to and including the legendary death claw with no more than half a dozen shots to the face. I've tried raising the difficulty level, too. All it does is eat up more ammunition because if the increased hit points. Well, the 15k rounds of .308 I have aren't going anywhere.
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#2 StealthMonkey4
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I haven't really heard of people saying the game was really hard. I found it pretty easy, still greatly enjoyed it though.

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#3 Treflis
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Play it on the hardest setting on hardcore mode and try to get through the game without dying once.
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#4 LightR
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Play it on the hardest setting on hardcore mode and try to get through the game without dying once.Treflis
This. Playing on the hardest difficulty isn't just as easy as needing to use more bullets. I really doubt you have played it on "very hard" for a while for this very reason. Enemies also get tons of more opportunities to inflict damage whuch can be devastating to you. Playing on a harder difficulty you have to pick your fights, and the fights you do pick you need to have a plan. Maybe you can just keep shooting that mole rat 'till its dead (although I still avoid them) but you better think twice about confronting raiders or a gang. With hardcore mode enabled you lso just can't keep instantly healing every few seconds.

EDIT: And if you played hardcore you wouldn't even be able to carry around so much ammo.

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#5 Jagged3dge
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Of course the game is easy if your playing on very easy-normal

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#6 Mythomniac
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I think they are pretty easy, so all of my characters play on Very Hard.
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#7 beast_oftheeast
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]Play it on the hardest setting on hardcore mode and try to get through the game without dying once.LightR

This. Playing on the hardest difficulty isn't just as easy as needing to use more bullets. I really doubt you have played it on "very hard" for a while for this very reason. Enemies also get tons of more opportunities to inflict damage whuch can be devastating to you. Playing on a harder difficulty you have to pick your fights, and the fights you do pick you need to have a plan. Maybe you can just keep shooting that mole rat 'till its dead (although I still avoid them) but you better think twice about confronting raiders or a gang. With hardcore mode enabled you lso just can't keep instantly healing every few seconds.

EDIT: And if you played hardcore you wouldn't even be able to carry around so much ammo.

I have played on VH many times, especially in F3 - I started some games on it. I found it tedious because shooting mole rats over and over is just retarded and lazy game design for 'difficulty', but I never found the enemies very difficult at all. Snipe with lincoln repeater, run in between rocks, fire bursts with Chinese Assault Rifle; repeat.
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#8 beast_oftheeast
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While I think that Hardcore mode makes it more difficult in some ways, it really just makes it more tedious - instead of carrying 13k rounds I carry 1k rounds and keep the rest in a safe in Novac or cached in safe houses. No big deal.
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#9 MaskJackal
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I can see how it might be really easy, but you'd have to be trying to break the game to do that. It's been known for more than a decade that an uber-sniper is the best possible build in any Fallout game, and that hasn't changed. Just try a different build out for once and give yourself a challenge.

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#10 Jackc8
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I thought Fallout 3 was pretty good as far as difficulty. It started you out ridiculously underpowered, but after a while everything went along pretty normally. New Vegas is screwy though. Most enemies can be killed easily, except for a few that seem damned near invincible and really require Anabelle or something with a huge amount of power. I'm finally at level 20 or so now and after cleaning out the gun store in Freeside and getting a huge number of caps from all that stuff, I'm doing pretty well. The whole game is just a pale imitation of Fallout 3 though - real milking the franchise stuff. I won't be buying anything else made by Obsidian ever again, that's for sure.

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#11 redskins26rocs
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play it with the diffculty on very hard then you will see how hard it is

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#12 190586385885857957282413308806
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Fallout 3 was childishly easy in every single aspect. New Vegas added the Hardcore mode, returned DT back to the game to make the enemies a little more protected. I went into Old World Blues as a person that specialized in guns and got my ass handed to me. Didn't have enough AP ammo to destroy all the robots so i had to switch to melee/unarmed combat to make it through.
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#13 AjaxNeron
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]Play it on the hardest setting on hardcore mode and try to get through the game without dying once.LightR

This. Playing on the hardest difficulty isn't just as easy as needing to use more bullets. I really doubt you have played it on "very hard" for a while for this very reason. Enemies also get tons of more opportunities to inflict damage whuch can be devastating to you. Playing on a harder difficulty you have to pick your fights, and the fights you do pick you need to have a plan. Maybe you can just keep shooting that mole rat 'till its dead (although I still avoid them) but you better think twice about confronting raiders or a gang. With hardcore mode enabled you lso just can't keep instantly healing every few seconds.

EDIT: And if you played hardcore you wouldn't even be able to carry around so much ammo.

I second (or third?) both of those comments. Hardcore mode + Hardest difficulty isn't just tougher enemies, it's also a lot tougher to find weapons and caps lying around, so it really feels even more rewarding when you find stuff or take down a tough enemy.

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#14 Kiro0
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New Vegas was substantially harder than 3 I felt. The only really difficult enemies in the game though are Death Claws and Cazadores. Death Claws because they ignore your armor and so hit you for ridiculous damage and Cazadores because their poison is also ridiculous.

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#15 beast_oftheeast
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New Vegas was substantially harder than 3 I felt. The only really difficult enemies in the game though are Death Claws and Cazadores. Death Claws because they ignore your armor and so hit you for ridiculous damage and Cazadores because their poison is also ridiculous.

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I thought NV was both better and more difficult than Fallout 3, but in any case, it's still flippin' easy. Seriously, the fact that Perception and Charisma are USELESS except for some perks (you only need a 6 for Sniper, even then) makes character building pretty trivial.
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#16 illmatic87
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With the out of the box product, I can agree with this. It's not so much difficult; but rather, it's a game that requires some attention and survival management, If you have a handle on those, then it's quite easy. Have you tried it with mods though? There are ones that offer rebalances (project Nevada) new monsters to fight (monster mod) and even larger sized mob spawns/groups.
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#17 Cenerune
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If you actually follow the game flow, sure it's easy, if you don't it's challenging on early-mid game.

You can challenge yourself too you know, go in place you aren't supposed to. I had the Legion assassins after me extremely early and they were a major problem until i leveled up and got some companions. However, the game does get a bit too easy after the mid-game where you can't wander off and end up in nasty critters anymore.

As far as stats and skills goes, it's also a roleplaying game, a lot of the enjoyment of the game comes from there rather than combat. Some stats and skills are more geared towards that rather than making you better at killing stuff and using a powergaming build will make you miss out on those elements.

In any case, too easy? Go for mods.

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#18 cprmauldin
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You probably have the game difficulty set to a very easy setting.

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#19 imetamonster
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It seemed fairlychallenging to me.

It wasnt really hard though. Just wasnt easy when i started out.

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#20 beast_oftheeast
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If you actually follow the game flow, sure it's easy, if you don't it's challenging on early-mid game.

You can challenge yourself too you know, go in place you aren't supposed to. I had the Legion assassins after me extremely early and they were a major problem until i leveled up and got some companions. However, the game does get a bit too easy after the mid-game where you can't wander off and end up in nasty critters anymore.

As far as stats and skills goes, it's also a roleplaying game, a lot of the enjoyment of the game comes from there rather than combat. Some stats and skills are more geared towards that rather than making you better at killing stuff and using a powergaming build will make you miss out on those elements.

In any case, too easy? Go for mods.

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No, you don't miss out on it. You can have a 1 Perception and a 1 Charisma and still have a 100 Speech and related skills. There is NO DOWNSIDE. Most of the SPECIAL stats do NOTHING for you unless you're a herp-a-derp that can't allocate points.
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Part of it is that such a huge and open game has to err on the side of easy to guarantee that all playstyles are possible.

For example a character with high CHA who depends on party members to do most of the fighting.

Or a sniper character who for RP reasons won't use shotguns or assault rifles.

They can't make it such that you need a minigun to get thru parts of the game, while at the same time ensuring that if you DO have a minigun, it'll be great fun to mow thru crowds.

This type of balance is harder to achieve that one would think, and as I said they err on the side of easy to facilitate "gimp" builds.

If you set the slider to hard, and play in hardcore mode, it's definitely not easy.

Heck I played on medium and some battles were touchy, especially Deathclaws which killed me so many times.

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No, you don't miss out on it. You can have a 1 Perception and a 1 Charisma and still have a 100 Speech and related skills. There is NO DOWNSIDE. Most of the SPECIAL stats do NOTHING for you unless you're a herp-a-derp that can't allocate points.beast_oftheeast

Perception affects targeting accuracy and radar threat indicator.

Charisma affects companion DPS.

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#24 Zevvion
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Well, the game sure isn't hard, that's true. But it's not like it's super easy compared to most other games. I've died just as much in Fallout 3 as any other game that isn't the likes of DMC4, NG or what have you. All other games I find pretty easy anyway.

That said, SPECIAL does do something? If you raise Endurance for example you get more health. Raising Strength makes you carry more items etc.

Also, I don't think Fallout 3 is a game that's supposed to be hard. I think it's supposed to be just regular, if a bit easy (I'm playing on Very Hard). I think it's more about the atmosphere, exploring and the experience as a whole. Also, scavaging is probably the biggest draw of the game. Because make no mistake, if you don't loot stuff and go out preparred, you will die. Having no food or Stimpacks makes the game quite hard at certain times.

But like I said, I don't think it's supposed to be a hard game and that's cool. A game doesn't need to be hard in order to be fun. Infact, extremely easy games can be fun too. Like God of War, Darksiders, Mirror's Edge, Mass Effect etc. etc. all great games and fun to play.

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#26 N7v1K0
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New Vegas was simple on Hardcore mode. If you don't piss off any major factions early in the game you're fine. All that eating, drinking, sleeping ain't a problem because most people do it anyway. Nearly all enemies can be killed very easily by getting sneak attack criticals on them with a sniper rifle.