Do you think the WoW films can be even bigger than the Lord of the Rings Trilogy

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#1 Posted by ASK_Story (11455 posts) -

Certainly The Lord of the Rings trilogy was the greatest fantasy-based films ever made. It was ground-breaking, state of the art, and can be summarized in one word: "AWESOME!"

However, these movies came out years ago (can't believe it's been that long already) and technology has even come farther and better. That's where the World of Warcraft movies come in. If there was another fantasy-based story that can surpass the Lord of the Rings is World of Warcraft. WoW has become like the Star Wars for video games, and it's not just huge in North America but all over the world.

But this is the big "IF" question here and one that is solely in the hands of the developers and filmmakers and that is, it all boils down to the script. If the story delivers than the WoW movie will surpass The Lord of the Rings, but it has to be good....and of course the actors/actresses need to be good and the director has to be a good one.

I think WoW can surpass LotR...but we'll see what happens.

2009 is the year Blizzard literally takes over the WORLD....(OF WARCRAFT)! :D

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Ugh~I think y`all missed my point!

I wasn't talking about Tolkien's literally merits or about the author and the books themselves. I was talking about film terms. Even crap makes money at the box-office. Spider-Man 3 or Shrek 3 anyone? :roll:

I was talking about fantasy pertaining to cinema and its successes. Right now LoTR, "as films," is the best fantasy-based cinemas created. So my question was, does WoW have the potential to surpass LoTR as movies and its success at the box-office.

No diss on the author or the novels...I'm talking about movies, flicks, places where we take our dates and eat popcorn where crappy directors and films can make money even though they're trash.

So that's what I'm talking about: as movies, does WoW have the potential to surpass what Peter Jackson and his crew did with LoTR?

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#2 Posted by selbie (13295 posts) -
ROFL. So you're saying the story of Warcraft would surpass one of the greatest authors of the 20th century? :lol: For starters the Warcraft universe is blatantly ripped from Tolkien's middle earth. I'm sure the movie would LOOK lovely, but the plot will be shallower than an Uwe Boll film. It just doesn't stand up.
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#3 Posted by deactivated-5b19c359a3789 (7785 posts) -
Warcraft has enough plot and lore to fill a ****ing museum, unfortunately they'll be skipping 90% of it for the film(s).

The first movie takes place in the gap between WC3 and WoW, leaving out a decade plus of storyline.
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#4 Posted by RK-Mara (11489 posts) -

ROFL! Warcraft vs Tolkien. You got to be kidding.

EDIT: syztem, don't LOTR movies leave a lot out?

And compare WoW and LOTRO, LOTRO has much better story. (for a strange reason)

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#5 Posted by rzepak (5758 posts) -
Yeah comparing WoW and Lotr is like a kick to RIP Tolkiens crotch. There is no story in WoW even the story in the Warcraft rts series is rather weak ( Starcraft is good though). Anyway if a WoW movie would come out there would be so much whining. The characters would look realistic not cartoony as the 8 million subscribers are used to. It would be hard to keep the spirit of the game in a movie unless it was 2h of killing some poor lowly creature to get some loot...
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#6 Posted by Robio_basic (7050 posts) -
Comparing the quality of Wow storylines to Lord of the Rings. . . That sounds shockingly like something Uwe Boll would say. "Tolkien was an unimaginativewriter, and that's why I had such a difficult time with Postal."
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#7 Posted by erc500 (235 posts) -

Nope, not even close

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#8 Posted by ASK_Story (11455 posts) -

Ugh~I think y`all missed my point!

I wasn't talking about Tokien's literally merits or about the author and the books themselves. I was talking about film terms. Even crap makes money at the box-office. Spider-Man 3 or Shrek 3 anyone? :roll:

I was talking about fantasy pertaining to cinema and its successes. Right now LoTR, "as films," is the best fantasy-based cinemas created. So my question was, does WoW have the potential to surpass LoTR as movies and its success at the box-office.

No diss on the author or the novels...I'm talking about movies, flicks, places where we take our dates and eat popcorn where crappy directors and films can make money even though they're trash.

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#9 Posted by 1005 (3738 posts) -

To be honest WoW has potential to be a money maker but nothing more really. Its not got the years of fanbase that LoTR had and although i believe Blizzard had said they reached 9million accounts, the LoTR fanbase is probably double that.

So no i dont think WoW would surpass the LoTR films in terms of financial success or storyline, but perhaps CGI scenes will be cool considering todays technology and the possibilities it can have.

Personally i think a WoW film would be a lot like that Dungeons & Dragons film, only with better special effects.

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#10 Posted by selbie (13295 posts) -
When you say it that way ASK, yeah it will pwn LotR in the box office :P I mean it's already got over 8 million guaranteed cinema-goers. However, I still stand by my comment on it's quality. It won't be anything as deep and timeless as LotR.
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#11 Posted by nopalversion (4757 posts) -

Even from a commercial point of view, WoW, for all it's subscribers is not the kind of household name Lord of the Rings is. The one is classic literature, the other is a contemporary phenomenon. Love the game and the world is amazing, but it can't hold a candle to the master in terms of lyricism and quality.

It's bound to sell lots of tickets, but I doubt it will last.

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#12 Posted by SemiMaster (19011 posts) -

World of Warcraft is an esoteric game in a relative sense. It means the world to the players, but to everyone else, doesn't matter in the least. So this to most of the world is just another video game based fantasy movie.

People actually read Lord of the Rings for a good number of decades prior to it's film release, so it wasn't just some off the cuff production.

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#13 Posted by Alaris83 (1620 posts) -
The WoW movie will fail just like every other video game based movie. When will movie publishers realize that video games are fun because they are interactive and not because they're fun to watch.
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#14 Posted by Adamfast (25 posts) -
I seriously doubt the quality of this film in terms of story or acting... but it will be sucessful due to its great appeal to most gamers. It'll be a visual feast of something or other and people will go to see it and buy the DVD, blu-ray special edition with 30 days free play time or something. As for success against lotr it'll probably be close to making the same money but I'll eat my hat if its of the same overall quality.
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#15 Posted by Robio_basic (7050 posts) -

Ugh~I think y`all missed my point!

I wasn't talking about Tokien's literally merits or about the author and the books themselves. I was talking about film terms. Even crap makes money at the box-office. Spider-Man 3 or Shrek 3 anyone? :roll:

I was talking about fantasy pertaining to cinema and its successes. Right now LoTR, "as films," is the best fantasy-based cinemas created. So my question was, does WoW have the potential to surpass LoTR as movies and its success at the box-office.

No diss on the author or the novels...I'm talking about movies, flicks, places where we take our dates and eat popcorn where crappy directors and films can make money even though they're trash.

ASK_Story

In that case the answer is still no. In fact, not just no, but hell no. The fact is Fantasy rarely does well in the box office. Just look at Stardust. The movie had a cast filled with huge names, great special effects, and generally got good reviews. . . and it's pretty much tanked.

WoW has some name recognition going for it, but that's about it. It could have the best special effects in the world, but that won't be enough to make it do that well. It just doesn't have broad enough appeal. LotR had huge name recognition, years of aniticpated hype (decades really), and an extremely passionate director who took the movie to a level that no one expected.

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#17 Posted by RK-Mara (11489 posts) -
How many Academy Awards did the LOTR trilogy get? It's hard to beat that.
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#18 Posted by DarKre (9529 posts) -
I see where your getting at. Since WoW does have such a HUGE following (in terms for gaming) then it would make sense that it would be a giant hit. But only among gamers. LOTR appeals to a much broader audience, and thats why I doubt a WoW movie could surpass it in terms of box office.
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#19 Posted by Archangel3371 (28554 posts) -
I doubt it will be as much as a hit or money maker at the box office as Lord of the Rings but I think it could do very well for itself. I found that Blizzard always puts a ton of detailed information and backstory to their franchises so there is alot of good stuff to work with.
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#20 Posted by instantdeath999 (3470 posts) -
We'll see. Has to have a good plot, which will require creativity from the writers... unlike the lotr, where it was already set in place, and they had to interpret it.
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#21 Posted by SemiMaster (19011 posts) -

How many Academy Awards did the LOTR trilogy get? It's hard to beat that.RK-Mara

I think it tied Ben Hur at 11, FYI.

My bad... apparently tied Titanic also.

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#22 Posted by CooVee (2161 posts) -
Very doubtful. World of Warcraft may be a very addictive PC game but it's story pales in to comparison with Tolkien's epic masterpiece and Peter Jackson's brilliant film adaption.
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#23 Posted by Maverick_Chaos1 (415 posts) -

Certainly The Lord of the Rings trilogy was the greatest fantasy-based films ever made.

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#24 Posted by julianwelton (2526 posts) -
I just think even though they have good intentions the WoW movies are going to turn out to be a joke, I may eat my words but as of now thats my opinion.
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#25 Posted by julianwelton (2526 posts) -

[QUOTE="RK-Mara"]How many Academy Awards did the LOTR trilogy get? It's hard to beat that.SemiMaster

I think it tied Ben Hur at 11, FYI.

My bad... apparently tied Titanic also.

Actually, he said trilogy so all together they won 17 oscars but whos counting.;)

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#26 Posted by Atman_Do (173 posts) -

I doubt it would top LOTR in terms of adjusted-for-inflation box office gross, but crazier things have happened.

Yeah, WoW is pretty big, but I don't know how many people really care about the decidedly complicated lore of the Warcraft universe.

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#27 Posted by jmac18002000 (118 posts) -
you guys are COMPLETELY under estimating the amazing story line of wow, even if it is a bit tolkein like. when you think of the movies, dont think of wow, think of warcraft I-III. how enveloped were you in the whole story? the writers were amazing in the warcraft series, the characters were perfectly developed and there was tragedy and action and love and everything you would want from a great movie. im certainly not a fan boy as i quit the game a long time ago, but i think that even if the films were 3/4ths maybe even half as good as the games were story wise, you would have an instant hit and money making machine in your hands.
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#28 Posted by AlexandriaZ (25107 posts) -

To think that a fantasy world in World of Warcraft in any way would compare to the Lord of the Rings saga is absolutely absurd. Lord of the Rings follows many of the mythos that makes experiences like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Narnia, Odyssey, and the Gilgamesh one that appeals to a massive market. There are universal themes that is applicable to people of any race, color, creed, nationality, or culture.

World of Warcraft doesn't have such a precedent because there is no mythos to follow, unless they decide to make the Warcraft Trilogy the main canon storyline. While the Three Warcraft games and its expansion packs are great games, as pieces of narrative that could be used to create a grand world that would rival that mythos that civilization has always used, it fails.

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#29 Posted by deactivated-5b19c359a3789 (7785 posts) -
Sounds like Warcraft's story is a bit unknown around these parts, but let's just say it exists light years beyond what you've seen in computer games.

Not that Warcraft would surpass LOTR, atleast try reading the nine Warcraft novels before you go on about how big the gap is between the two.
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#30 Posted by yodariquo (6631 posts) -
I probably shouldn't try to understand what the public wants or will pay for, but The Lord of the Rings are the second-most read books of the 20th century behind the Bible. World of Warcraft may be huge in the videogame market, but it's relatively tiny in comparison to how widespread the LotR books are. Additionally, i have to believe that there's a stigma about videogame-based movies that will harm the WoW films in box office numbers. And lastly, odds are that the stigma will be correct and the movie will suck.
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#31 Posted by -DirtySanchez- (32760 posts) -
oh hell no, tell the truth i dont even know teh story of WoW, tho im playin the game :lol:, and all you need to know is that its a videogame movie, nothin more needs to be said
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#32 Posted by selbie (13295 posts) -
[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Certainly The Lord of the Rings trilogy was the greatest fantasy-based films ever made.

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That's Science Fiction, not Fantasy. TOPIC: I think there is a potential for a good film, but judging by the trend of game-to-film adaptations, I say it will flop. It would take a combination of the best ideas in Special Effects, Cinematography, Editing, Production and Direction to get anywhere near the Oscar-fest that was Peter Jackson's films.
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#33 Posted by Morphic (4345 posts) -
The day that the WoW movies is hailed as betterthan LOTR movies, is theday I kill myself for the end of civlization as we know it.
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#34 Posted by SemiMaster (19011 posts) -
[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

[QUOTE="RK-Mara"]How many Academy Awards did the LOTR trilogy get? It's hard to beat that.julianwelton

I think it tied Ben Hur at 11, FYI.

My bad... apparently tied Titanic also.

Actually, he said trilogy so all together they won 17 oscars but whos counting.;)

True... true. For the Trilogy it's unbeaten. But tied for individual movies. There, we both win? Call it a tie?

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#35 Posted by BDANick (93 posts) -
of course its going to make money. Its WoW... it has enough of a player base, that even if nobody other than players saw it, theyd still make money... Its going to be huge... im just waiting for the day that a WoW player gets voted for senate... then its time to let the machines kill us all... assuming of course California doesnt Terminate 'em....
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#36 Posted by mikee88 (35 posts) -
This is the most ridiculous question ever! LOTR was written by a freaking legend,they're absolute classics. The films were awarded with a bucketload of Oscars. The WoW films, despite its obvious fan base,will plummet as most video-game-movies do... ( take a look at the Resident Evil movies, complete crap!)
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#37 Posted by BDANick (93 posts) -

i dont think it could plummet... there are way too many people who would wanna check it out... thats all they need... haha hell if they threw in some sort of coupon deal, like that stupid pokemon movie, they could make some online content to support the movie, give whoever purchases a ticket some sort of trinket and hey, bunch of WoW fans hook up and go to the movie together, get there new 'collectors' online thing and presto, instantly made your money back, time for round two...

i dont know if anyone can compare the two stories in terms of plot... i mean LOTR was great... anyone here read silmarillion? its a bit dry but its mind blowing how much depth that whole world is, totally ignoring the languages he made... The point is, fantasy is in right now, people are still watching it, that in itself means that its going to do well... add in the oppourtunity for gimmicky gifts, and a massive fan base, who i might add, are all able to pay monthly subscriptions for this game anyway, it means that their more than likely going to be willing to pay for a ticket to see a movie on a game some of them have spent years playing... Im sure it will do very well indeed... unless its a total disaster, which is unlikely

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#39 Posted by Robio_basic (7050 posts) -

of course its going to make money. Its WoW... it has enough of a player base, that even if nobody other than players saw it, theyd still make money... Its going to be huge... im just waiting for the day that a WoW player gets voted for senate... then its time to let the machines kill us all... assuming of course California doesnt Terminate 'em....BDANick

No, actually that wouldn't work out at all. What's the total userbase for WoW? Around 9 million? At $8.00 a ticket that's 72 million dollars. Not a bad haul, but that wouldn't cover the movie's budget. And let's be honest, once you take out the multiple accounts, the people who bought the $3 trial and never really got interested in the game, and the others who got fed up with the game and just hate it, you're probably looking at about 5 million users. Now you're looking at around 40 million dollars. That wouldn't even cover the advertising and marketing.

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#40 Posted by BDANick (93 posts) -
the press release states nine million paying subscribers. "now totaling more than 9 million subscribers worldwide" this would easily equate to as you say 72 million.

"Production expenditures by Hollywood majors rose 9% to an average $63.8 million last year"
-http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA614600
Then assuming the players who are already paying rougly 18 dollars for the month to month rate, to put this in perspective, if youd been playing from the get go, you may have been paying approx 648.00 USD. So lets say not all of the subscribers pay to see the movie. We can see that at Hollywoods average expenditures, Blizzard will still be within their margin of 72 million. Now then,

Lets take a moment to examine Blizzard here, ok:

'Vivendi Games, the French conglomerate that owns Blizzard, has today reported its unaudited revenue information for the full year 2006, showing that revenues were once again on the rise. The games division revenue was up 25.4 percent from the previous year to 804 million euros (about $1 billion) for the full year 2006.
This increase was--perhaps unsurprisingly--primarily due to Blizzard's massively multiplayer online role-playing game World of Warcraft, which the company describes as "the most popular MMORPG around the world."'

from gamespot, see:

Vivendi Games reports profits
Blizzard's continuing WOW factor boosts parent company yet again.
By Emma Boyes, GameSpot UK
Posted Jan 31, 2007 2:23 pm GMT

Ok so with this in mind lets continue on to the question of advertising again.

Blizzard, has an internet following. That fact alone makes questioning the plausability of a succesfull advertising campaign nearly redundant. The people who play WoW, are online, online, allot. A minority, oh lets say a mere million for the sake of argument shall we, are able and willing to post content, online.

It stands to reason therefore, that, even assuming that WoW doesnt advertise on its own servers, it will have a very difficult time, NOT advertising within the web community. People ARE going to pass any information they even THINK is possible on to their forums, blogs, websites and chatrooms. If this were a console game, a book or a standar movie, they would be presented with another host of problems. Advertising being one of them. But to say that in this case, the mere irritant of advertising is going to slow down a billion dollar gian like Vivendi is just, illogical. If the story is good, as many here say it is then i have few doubts that this will be a success. From a logistics stand, it all seems pretty straightforward.
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#41 Posted by GodModeEnabled (15314 posts) -
If it concentrated on the story of Arthas and the Lich king and the whole Warcraft 3 story than I think it would be amazing. PS LOTR is overated and kinda boring.
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#42 Posted by BDANick (93 posts) -

im not saying that it WILL be bigger, im saying it stands to reason that it has the potential to be bigger. And for those who are talking about story, i was under the impression that the point was not whether the story was better, If thats the argument then hell yeah i think LotR has a better story, as i said before. Im a huge fan. Im just saying that theres no reason to write it off cuz its a game...

I should tell you that if WoW is to overtake LotR it would have to cover more than the feeble 72 million you reference... im talking:

1031.9 million....

so lets not split hairs here... LotR is a big thing. BUT its ALWAYS possible, and it should be HOPED that along will come something that does somehting different and furthers everything along... I love LotR, but if WoW was better, id be happy not upset.

Who knows if this does well, wouldnt you want to see games become movies? It would DEF move the industry to a more productive state. As far as im concerned games are movies that i can act in. Thats how i see it. If more games make the jump, maybe senators and others will stop trying to drawe lines between the two and will start to treat the games industry as it should be treated... that and i really want to see a starcraft movie...

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#43 Posted by WitchGamer (25 posts) -
I say, NO. World of Warcraft is loosely based on Lord of the Rings. I think every single new fantasy game, film or something else has taken something from J.R.R. Tolkien's stories about Middle-earth. Elves, Orcs, Dwarves etc. World of Warcraft is just a rip off... Sry.