are nintendo kiddie(excluding metroid and fire emblem)

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#1 Posted by klonoafanboy122 (232 posts) -

i mean most of there games are aimed at kids and usualy have more cartoony artstyles and simple plots

i mean the only nintendo series i enjoy nowerdays is pokemon(though kid icarus uprising was admittedly fun)

what do you think if you exclude metroid and fire emblem (because there some of nintendos few non kiddie games) are they more for kids and familys instead of adults and teens?

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#2 Posted by klonoafanboy122 (232 posts) -

i guess ill never know if nintendo is kiddie or not

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#3 Posted by Jag85 (11369 posts) -

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

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#4 Posted by 1PMrFister (3134 posts) -

There is a difference between "Kiddie" and appealing to all ages. It's subtle, but it definitely exists.

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#5 Posted by MathMattS (4012 posts) -

No, I don't think that Nintendo is "kiddie." Nintendo's biggest thing that sets it apart from Microsoft and Sony is that its core franchises appeal to everybody, kid and adult alike. I have just as much fun playing Mario games now as I did when I was a kid.

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#6 Posted by Bigboi500 (35550 posts) -

Nintendo is Everybody.

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#7 Posted by Smashbrossive50 (3915 posts) -

If you define Mario and Animal Crossing,yeah,that's the only sort of "kiddie" games they can offer,but it doesn't always stuck to children,even teens,and adults do play these to relieve their adult matter

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#8 Edited by gargungulunk (403 posts) -

@Jag85: "..." C.S. Lewis

^^^this.

My own response,

You forgot to exclude Castlevania, Shin Megami Tensei 4 and that copy of Metal Gear 3 I've yet to unwrap. The more one excludes, the more one ignores and only hears what they choose.

In the mean time, I'm gonna spin another day on Rune Factory 4, I've hit a good stride with my crops where I've struck a strong profit margin. Melons and tomatoes are really worth the price. I plan to spend several $X00,000 on winter crops that might just double my investment & allow me to purchase a 5th segment to the farm...they may take awhile to grow, but I can finish the second ending to the game in the process...and gather required materials in the process.

Or maybe I'll lay-down a slick beat on my Korg M01 software made for the 3DS, and play guitar over it, feeling like the champion that I am.

TLDR: Growing up, gets old.

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#9 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

Despite the visuals of their games, in the console arena Nintendo isn't worried about kids. Disney targets kids (which is why they offer a lot of original content and their sequels tend to be to young franchises) while Nintendo targets adult fanboys (which is why they offer little original content and their sequels are to decades old franchises).

Kids don't care about franchises, they gravitate towards what looks fun (the pattern can be seen not only in children's movies, but also tv shows). Make a fun looking movie or tv show, kids will want to see it.

Adult fanboys by way of contrast care a lot about franchises. Like Marvel and DC, once Nintendo was kid oriented (at which point they released a much broader range of games than they do now, as anyone that remembers the NES, SNES and even N64 can attest) but they chose to follow their aging, shrinking but predictable existing fans rather than undergo the risky work of chasing the fickle, competitive kids' market.

The NES skewed decades younger than any modern console and its library looks a lot more like those of the Playstations and Xboxes than it does the Wiis. Motion controls were a sideshow and the system boasted tons of action, adventure games and racing games (nods towards Castlevania, Ghosts n' Goblins, Contra, Blaster Master, RC Pro Am, Rad Racer, Commando and Double Dragon). Nowadays Nintendo consoles are Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Mario.

Nintendo's defenders talk about how modern Nintendo offers a narrow range of franchises because they want broad appeal, but the only people they are fooling are themselves.

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#10 Edited by gargungulunk (403 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

The NES skewed decades younger than any modern console and its library looks a lot more like those of the Playstations and Xboxes than it does the Wiis. Motion controls were a sideshow and the system boasted tons of action, adventure games and racing games (nods towards Castlevania, Ghosts n' Goblins, Contra, Blaster Master, RC Pro Am, Rad Racer, Commando and Double Dragon). Nowadays Nintendo consoles are Mario, Mario, Mario, Zelda, Mario.

Nintendo's defenders talk about how modern Nintendo offers a narrow range of franchises because they want broad appeal, but the only people they are fooling are themselves.

You make a good point about Nintendo being less action oriented...a solid observation actually. Given the old NES line-up alone, they really have deviated from that stride.

Now-a-days, I see Nintendo as primarily a platform...they've even stated it themselves. They're not so much a publisher, as a hardware designer...any game they publish is basically using their iconic characters to showcase the new hardware...and yet any /re-hash/ is a complete over-haul, and in-fact a whole new game. I'm impressed by how they operate actually. They still have new ideas...it's just applied to old faces.

To address any problem, they really need to make more ties to 3rd party developers. Yet, the 3DS is still my next-gen "console" for well into '14...so it's hard to dislike what Nintendo is offering.

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#11 Edited by Master_Of_Fools (1651 posts) -

I hate these sayings. If a game can be played and enjoyed by a kid it makes it kiddie? COD is played and enjoyed by kids does that make it kiddie? Nintendo games can be played and enjoyed by anybody. And if you think cartoony games are "kiddie" your an idiot. The developer chose that as the art style. Nintendo hates doing realistic games cause it restricts creativity.

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#12 Posted by Master_Of_Fools (1651 posts) -

@CarnageHeart:

Due to Iwata mostly lol.

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#13 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

@gargungulunk: Its worth keeping in mind that with the Wii and the DS, the games which made the systems big hits among casuals were original games like Wii Sports, Brain Training and Nintendogs. Even Nintendo grasped fairly recently that to draw new audiences, one needs new games, rather than hoping that this week's Mario game draws them in.

I agree that what Is killing the Wii U among Nintendo fans is the 3DS (which has gotten the far more first and third party support this year and that doesn't look like it will change anytime soon).

I disagree that third parties will be willing to save the Wii U. Look at how well the partnerships with EA and Ubisoft worked out. Third parties don't care about HW, they just want to sell games. Right now most of them have bigger audiences on the PS and Xbox than they do on the Wii. In order to encourage a wider range of games on the Wii U, Nintendo needs to put its money where its mouth is.

On a related note, its crazy that in an era where Western developed games are more popular than ever, Nintendo is more Japanese than ever. NOA used to helm development studios and manage relations with Western developers and publishers, nowadays they just run PR for NOJ.

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#14 Posted by MirkoS77 (12909 posts) -

@CarnageHeart: NCL detests Western games.

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#15 Edited by trugs26 (7527 posts) -

@Jag85: Thanks for the quote. It's on the mark.

Nintendo games are fun, regardless of your age.

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#16 Edited by Pikminmaniac (11232 posts) -

They're for all ages. They are appropriate content-wise and the gameplay is easy to understand and get into, but Nintendo games also offer extremely high challenges for the most part for those who want it. It's a rule of thumb it seems with Nintendo and it allows their games to be enjoyable from the very beginning to the very end.

Pikmin 3, Nintendo Land, New Super Mario Bros. U, and Donkey Kong Country Returns are all perfect examples of this ideology. All 4 are very easy to get into and understand, but it takes an extremely dedicated person with a great deal of skill to accomplish the harder challenges in each.

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#17 Edited by Flubbbs (4948 posts) -

have you seen the Wii U commercials lately? yes they are kiddie

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#18 Edited by GreySeal9 (28247 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

That is a very wise quote.

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#19 Posted by thegroveman (123 posts) -

@klonoafanboy122: Is Pixar "kiddie?" You need to realize that the industry needsNintendo. Just because something doesn't have decapitations and M-16s doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed by everyone. I wish more kids respected games like Mario and Zelda because I fear for the future when I see 9 year olds playing GTA V and Call of Duty.

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@GreySeal9 said:

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

That is a very wise quote.

Wise but irrelevant to the discussion. Most gamers (including kids) like a broad range of games, but modern Nintendo steadfastly refuses to offer such a range.

Like I said before, the NES skewed decades younger than any modern console, but its vast and varied library was more analogous to that of the Playstations and Xboxes than the Wiis (or for that matter, the GC).

Modern Nintendo's orientation on a tiny handful of franchise indicates that they are more concerned with nostalgic adults than newly minted (and thus nostalgia free) kids.

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#21 Posted by insanegame377 (392 posts) -

I'd say that the majority of their games are primarily aimed at kids, despite some adults liking them too. I wouldn't call them "kiddie" myself though I understand why others would.

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#22 Posted by Jag85 (11369 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

@GreySeal9 said:

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

That is a very wise quote.

Wise but irrelevant to the discussion. Most gamers (including kids) like a broad range of games, but modern Nintendo steadfastly refuses to offer such a range.

Like I said before, the NES skewed decades younger than any modern console, but its vast and varied library was more analogous to that of the Playstations and Xboxes than the Wiis (or for that matter, the GC).

Modern Nintendo's orientation on a tiny handful of franchise indicates that they are more concerned with nostalgic adults than newly minted (and thus nostalgia free) kids.

You may have a point. Nintendo's core fanbase is mainly adults who grew up playing Nintendo games, And then along with this core fanbase, you have casual audiences that represent all ages from kids to elderly folks.

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#23 Posted by psx2514 (425 posts) -

I think you meant "IS Nintendo kiddie."

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#24 Edited by MirkoS77 (12909 posts) -

@thegroveman said:

@klonoafanboy122: Is Pixar "kiddie?" You need to realize that the industry needs Nintendo. Just because something doesn't have decapitations and M-16s doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed by everyone. I wish more kids respected games like Mario and Zelda because I fear for the future when I see 9 year olds playing GTA V and Call of Duty.

Funny that you mention Pixar. Their films appeal to adults because, despite their aesthetic and outward appearances, deal with very mature themes: love, loss, fear, hope. Nintendo's games I can see being "mature" in the sense that when delved deeper into, they require a determination and degree of skill that adults would find more enjoyable than a child would, however I don't see many Nintendo games that attempt to address many adult themes as Pixar's films do. In terms of Nintendo's games, "maturity" only really extends to gameplay, or at least of the ones I've played. Yet I've seen other games (TLoU, Beyond Two Souls, Journey) that are not afraid to attempt to tackle these above themes head on, oftentimes with success. This is why I believe many see Nintendo games as kiddie, and I tend to agree. Violence and maturity are very different and do not necessarily require one to define the other. While I can understand why some equate the two, it's only half of the equation.

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#25 Posted by thom_maytees (3669 posts) -

I just wish that the term "kiddie" does not have derogatory meaning among gamers.

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#26 Edited by ZZoMBiE13 (22931 posts) -

There is a distinct and clear difference between "kiddie" and "fun for all the family". Kiddie games exist to be sure. But I don't see that in Nintendo's offerings. I see them as fun for anyone who can work the controller with enough proficiency to manipulate the game's avatar. Be they 4 years old or 64 years old.

There is nothing kiddie about enjoying a game, it's characters, it's charm or level design. If Nintendo wants me to buy a WiiU, the surest way they can accomplish this is to announce a Kirby title. The cuter the better. And I'm in my 40s in case you were wondering.

So to answer your question... no. No they are not. They are masters of their craft.

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#27 Posted by Smashbrossive50 (3915 posts) -

@thegroveman said:

I fear for the future when I see 9 year olds playing GTA V and Call of Duty.

this event similarly happened to me before,and it was a tragedy to remember,I was angry enough,I threw a chair at someone whom I declare as the arch of the arch-enemy #1 ,til I scare away nearly the whole school(including the principal) on the fifth day I was at a wretched school for jerks

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#28 Posted by klonoafanboy122 (232 posts) -

oh and i might aswel say this aswell

sony has made kids games in the past (i mean look at crash spyro ape escape etc) so its not only nintendo systems who have family friendly exclusives

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#29 Edited by Haziqonfire (36344 posts) -

Nintendo appeals to everyone. They're a lot like Disney in that their primary market is probably younger but a lot of the people that grew up on Nintendo still enjoy Nintendo titles.

They're still one of the most (if not the most) consistent developer in the industry for quality software releases.

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#30 Posted by klonoafanboy122 (232 posts) -

@ZZoMBiE13 said:

There is a distinct and clear difference between "kiddie" and "fun for all the family". Kiddie games exist to be sure. But I don't see that in Nintendo's offerings. I see them as fun for anyone who can work the controller with enough proficiency to manipulate the game's avatar. Be they 4 years old or 64 years old.

There is nothing kiddie about enjoying a game, it's characters, it's charm or level design. If Nintendo wants me to buy a WiiU, the surest way they can accomplish this is to announce a Kirby title. The cuter the better. And I'm in my 40s in case you were wondering.

So to answer your question... no. No they are not. They are masters of their craft.

im 16 and i went out of my way to get a p3 just so could download klonoa door to phantomile XD and play the atelier games

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#31 Edited by thegroveman (123 posts) -

@MirkoS77 said:

@thegroveman said:

@klonoafanboy122: Is Pixar "kiddie?" You need to realize that the industry needs Nintendo. Just because something doesn't have decapitations and M-16s doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed by everyone. I wish more kids respected games like Mario and Zelda because I fear for the future when I see 9 year olds playing GTA V and Call of Duty.

Funny that you mention Pixar. Their films appeal to adults because, despite their aesthetic and outward appearances, deal with very mature themes: love, loss, fear, hope. Nintendo's games I can see being "mature" in the sense that when delved deeper into, they require a determination and degree of skill that adults would find more enjoyable than a child would, however I don't see many Nintendo games that attempt to address many adult themes as Pixar's films do. In terms of Nintendo's games, "maturity" only really extends to gameplay, or at least of the ones I've played. Yet I've seen other games (TLoU, Beyond Two Souls, Journey) that are not afraid to attempt to tackle these above themes head on, oftentimes with success. This is why I believe many see Nintendo games as kiddie, and I tend to agree. Violence and maturity are very different and do not necessarily require one to define the other. While I can understand why some equate the two, it's only half of the equation.

Don't discount mature gameplay as inferior to mature themes. Videogames have an extra dimension that the cinema doesn't, so where a kids' movie needs layered themes to appeal to adults, a videogame can have layered gameplay. Super Mario 3D World is a perfect example of this, and it does that game a disservice to dismiss it because it's not a grim post-apocalyptic tale. You mentioned Journey as an example of a game that is thematically mature, but I think it's too abstract for a kid to enjoy. There isn't much "gameplay" to it that would engage and excite kids. And I don't see GTA V or Call of Duty as mature, they're more adolescent than anything.

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#32 Posted by luke1889 (14617 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

Oh, most definitely this.

As for the TC's question, I can see why people have this "kiddy" perspective about Nintendo, but I just think that they have universal appeal.

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#33 Posted by cfisher2833 (2150 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

Pretty much this. OP is sixteen, so I can see where he's coming from. It's the kind of thing people worry about at that age. One of my best friends refused to ever buy a Gamecube and play Nintendo games when he was younger, but lately went on a Nintendo buying spree. Liking Nintendo isn't remotely kiddie though. Every big Nintendo fan I've ever met has been a grown adult...but then again, I don't go around hanging out with young people, so it's not exactly representative of anything.

Nintendo also happens to be one of the few gaming companies that recognizes that the game itself (not all the superfluous fluff) is key.

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#34 Posted by turtlethetaffer (18695 posts) -

If they are then it doesn't matter. They still release some of the best games in the industry. Plus, like someone else said, it's more that their games appeal to all ages.

I'd say calling the bulk of Nintendo games only for kids is like saying the bulk of Pixar movies are only for kids.

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#35 Posted by dvader654 (44751 posts) -

@CarnageHeart: Kids don't care about franchises, they gravitate towards what looks fun (the pattern can be seen not only in children's movies, but also tv shows

Well then kids should be playing Nintendo games cause there is no one making more fun games than Nintendo.

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#36 Edited by Jag85 (11369 posts) -

@cfisher2833 said:

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

Pretty much this. OP is sixteen, so I can see where he's coming from. It's the kind of thing people worry about at that age. One of my best friends refused to ever buy a Gamecube and play Nintendo games when he was younger, but lately went on a Nintendo buying spree. Liking Nintendo isn't remotely kiddie though. Every big Nintendo fan I've ever met has been a grown adult...but then again, I don't go around hanging out with young people, so it's not exactly representative of anything.

Nintendo also happens to be one of the few gaming companies that recognizes that the game itself (not all the superfluous fluff) is key.

When I was a teenager, I also refused to get any Nintendo systems up until towards the end of the PS2 era, when I finally decided to pick up a GameCube and had a blast with it.

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#37 Posted by CarnageHeart (18316 posts) -

@dvader654 said:

@CarnageHeart: Kids don't care about franchises, they gravitate towards what looks fun (the pattern can be seen not only in children's movies, but also tv shows

Well then kids should be playing Nintendo games cause there is no one making more fun games than Nintendo.

I'm sure you and all of Nintendo's many adult fans think so, but kids might disagree. As I've said before, the NES skewed younger than any modern console, but in terms of its breadth its library was far closer to the Playstations and Xboxes than the Wiis.

On the NES, kids loved sports games (remember 10 Yard Fight, Ice Hockey, Blades of Steel, Pro Wrestling and Double Dribble?), action games (Contra, Ikari Warriors, Ghosts n' Goblins, Castlevania, Commando and Gradius spring to mind), beat'em ups (Double Dragon, Battletoads and Bad Dudes) and well, lots of types of games.

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#38 Posted by dvader654 (44751 posts) -

@CarnageHeart said:

@dvader654 said:

@CarnageHeart: Kids don't care about franchises, they gravitate towards what looks fun (the pattern can be seen not only in children's movies, but also tv shows

Well then kids should be playing Nintendo games cause there is no one making more fun games than Nintendo.

I'm sure you and all of Nintendo's many adult fans think so, but kids might disagree. As I've said before, the NES skewed younger than any modern console, but in terms of its breadth its library was far closer to the Playstations and Xboxes than the Wiis.

On the NES, kids loved sports games (remember 10 Yard Fight, Ice Hockey, Blades of Steel, Pro Wrestling and Double Dribble?), action games (Contra, Ikari Warriors, Ghosts n' Goblins, Castlevania, Commando and Gradius spring to mind), beat'em ups (Double Dragon, Battletoads and Bad Dudes) and well, lots of types of games.

Everyone still likes many types of games but above all that even back then, even today the Nintendo games stand out. And Nintendo makes many different kinds of games, action, platforming, adventure, RPGs, etc. Now buying an entire system for a limited amount of Nintendo games, ok that is a different argument and one for the parents.

Now if you want to tell me kids don't like platformers anymore well now that is a solid reason to say Nintendo doesnt appeal to kids and frankly I would find that so sad. What kind of parent doesn't raise their kids on platformers, that is horrible. :P (You've done a fine job with LBP.) One area Nintendo really needs to work on is the create aspect of gaming as that is huge now, just look at Minecraft and to a lesser extent LBP. Or make stupid action figure things that connect to your game and is a total ripoff, on second thought I hope Nintendo avoids that one.

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#39 Posted by good_sk8er7 (4327 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

― C.S. Lewis

Awe, one of my favorite quotes. Especially concerning games, I know too many people who dismiss great games with creative artstyles because they don't feel like they are adult enough.

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#40 Posted by -ParaNormaN- (1491 posts) -

Nintendo is more focused on clean fun rather then lets tear heads off and get tons of bloodshed kind of fun.