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#1 Orasion_Seiz
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For those who have played FFXII,so what do you guys think of the espers in the game? I basically find them very usefull (all of them) and im just tired of those people that says the espers are a bunch of rejects. Come one SE wont put them there w/o any use at all.
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#2 -weezer-
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I can definately win battles without 'em. I use them sometimes, and then charge up my characters so I have mp. They sure have cool looking special moves lol. I tend to use quickenings before ever using espers.
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#3 Amnesiac23
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I nnnnneeever use them. They are very useless, which sucks because they are so **** cool... oh well.
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#4 Orasion_Seiz
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You can use them to powerlevel up your charaters late in the game, one of the main purpose of the espers.

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#5 Amnesiac23
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really?! hmmmm interesting
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#6 SephirothSyZtem
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I think FF12s battle system is useless.

Ive played 2 much FF11 to enjoy it.

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#7 kick_7ay
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Story is the biggest letdown...
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#8 Amnesiac23
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I love the story. Might be too serious for some though.
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#9 GoPhins123
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I think they are useful.
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#10 Orasion_Seiz
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I think FF12s battle system is useless.

Ive played 2 much FF11 to enjoy it.

SephirothSyZtem

the topic is about how usefull the espers are,not about the battle system. oh well...

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#11 Amnesiac23
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that's a good point there, whoops lol
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#12 Fantasy-7
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i don't really use them, the quickening are more useful for me, and the only time i do use them is wen i feel like lvling up 1 character
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#13 larrysorice
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Other than to open the door to Giruvegan I haven't used the espers. I think they should fight along side of a three party team, not just the character who summons them. Also I wish you had more control over them and what there attacks are. Kind of the way FF8 way set up how you level up summons yourself.

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#14 Headbanger88
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The espers are garbage, and actually more garbage than the ones in FFVI, which I thought was impossible.The only time using an esper helped was to open that door with Ifrit.
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#15 Amnesiac23
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You mean Belias? lol (yeah, that's pretty much the only time....sad)
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#16 fengzheng
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using an esper drains all my mp..after using it i still have to charge the mp back..somemore the battle system in ff12 doesnt  allow to autocast espers...the gambit system isn't compatible for using of espers..
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#17 Headbanger88
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You mean Belias? lol (yeah, that's pretty much the only time....sad) Amnesiac23

whatever he's called nowadays
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#18 Amnesiac23
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lol yeah. He's a rip off. His attack is even called HellFire!! That's a slap in the face for me. I loved ifrit
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#19 okami92
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I wouldn't know much because all I have for now is Belias, but I don't even know who to assign him to....still stuck on the license board. :(
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#20 DRUNK_CANADIAN
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i am completely screwed in regards to espers....they are cool...but I still like my battles to be epic, sword and magic ....no quickings (they make me win to easily) or espers which are cool yet dumb
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#21 titledlive
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Yeah, I only needed to use a Esper once. After that I only used them to see what they can do. I don't even use Quickenings very often because the deplete your MP. I have 4 Espers right now, and I think there could be more of a use for them if your whole party was still on the field, or if you could summon multiple Espers at the same time.
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#22 okami92
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I just got Mateus( or Madeus??) and I'm still confused who to assign her/him(Bestiary) and Belias to. As for Quickenings I only assigned Red Spiral to Vaan and I have more on the board, but I don't know who to assign them to.
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I just got Mateus( or Madeus??) and I'm still confused who to assign her/him(Bestiary) and Belias to. As for Quickenings I only assigned Red Spiral to Vaan and I have more on the board, but I don't know who to assign them to.okami92

Dont worry about quickenings, its not that each one is different, think of them as limit unlockers. Each character has 3 quickenings, and you need to unlock them in the board to use them.
Ex:
Squall:
  1. Rough Divide
  2. fated Circle
  3. Lionheart
Pay 1 quickening and you unlock Rough Divide, pay the second quickening and you get Fated Circle, pay the third and you get lionheart. I recommend you giving ASAP the 3 quickenings to the ones you use the most, and then taking care of the others.(I had all 3 quickenings for 3 characters and lvl 2 for 2 more and lvl 1 for the other when I reached Raithwall toomb, and I didnt do more than 1 hour of extra training.)

Regarding Espers, they are very usefull to play solo in order to lvl up quickly, since if you kill an enemy alone you get 4x exp. (Ozmane is exelent for lvl 20 to get quickly to 40)
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#25 kenshinhimura16
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1 more tip about quickenings, when you launch them to do a chain, start from the lowest rank quickening(Rank 1) and then in the chain you will get more hits. If you start with Rank 2 or 3 the random pops less quickenings, and even less mist change
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#26 kenshinhimura16
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1 more tip about quickenings, when you launch them to do a chain, start from the lowest rank quickening(Rank 1) and then in the chain you will get more hits. If you start with Rank 2 or 3 the random pops less quickenings, and even less mist change
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#27 okami92
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How do I tell Rank1,2 and 3? Is Red Spiral rank 1?
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#28 omega235
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yes, it is told by the number of orange circles when you start then chain, red spiral has one circle by it
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#29 crushgoil
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I find them to be completely useless (sadly).  Mind you, I also only try to use them on hard fights..

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#30 kenshinhimura16
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Another thing about Quickenings, unless you chain them over 10, they will not be that powerfull, but over 10, and if you get a good chain of higher lvl quickenings, you can do massive damage, and example:
I did 36000 to Arramesh with a chain of lvl 20 party because I hit 7 rank 3 quickenings, in  a 16 chain.
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#31 omega235
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i once did 10 against tiamat, never got higher than that
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#32 kenshinhimura16
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i once did 10 against tiamat, never got higher than thatomega235

Start from rank 1 and make sure that all party members have at least 1 charge. If you have all 3 charges in all 3 players, its better, since the more charges the slower the time bar decreases. Starting from rank 1 gives you higher chances of chain. I have a friend that couldnt get over 10, and when he started doing that, he was pulling 13 easily
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#33 fuzzysquash
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1 more tip about quickenings, when you launch them to do a chain, start from the lowest rank quickening(Rank 1) and then in the chain you will get more hits. If you start with Rank 2 or 3 the random pops less quickenings, and even less mist changekenshinhimura16
wow....good advice...I didn't know that.
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#34 omega235
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[QUOTE="omega235"]i once did 10 against tiamat, never got higher than thatkenshinhimura16

Start from rank 1 and make sure that all party members have at least 1 charge. If you have all 3 charges in all 3 players, its better, since the more charges the slower the time bar decreases. Starting from rank 1 gives you higher chances of chain. I have a friend that couldnt get over 10, and when he started doing that, he was pulling 13 easily

thanks man, i will use this against the elder wyrm
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#35 haseeb_1989
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I actually dont think that they are useless sure it would be better if i can control the esper.
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#36 okami92
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Wow...those are sweet tips, thanks! No wonder I had so much trouble with the bosses, especially the wyrm in the forest, his spore attack was annoying.
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#37 omega235
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Wow...those are sweet tips, thanks! No wonder I had so much trouble with the bosses, especially the wyrm in the forest, his spore attack was annoying.okami92
yes, especially the sap and confuse part, and fireball and on someone who has oil
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#38 -weezer-
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1 more tip about quickenings, when you launch them to do a chain, start from the lowest rank quickening(Rank 1) and then in the chain you will get more hits. If you start with Rank 2 or 3 the random pops less quickenings, and even less mist changekenshinhimura16
Hm... didn't know that. I'll definately do that from now on. Never been good at quickenings.
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#39 omega235
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man it is so funny to se belias attack the elder wyrm or tiamat, soo funny