Post a pointless message about what food you're eating

I love banana pudding. D: But I haven't had any in a long time. D:

I am drinking water.

...I just had deja vu.  Have we had this conversation before? D:

...I just had deja vu. Have we had this conversation before? D:

Mr_Jenkins

We've probably had every conversation before.

But banana bread is one of the greatest things ever invented.koopa_shell

Yesh. 8) 

I like banana bread! :D 

[QUOTE="Mr_Jenkins"]...I just had deja vu. Have we had this conversation before? D:Dragon66116

No. No we have not. I can only recall four intelligent conversations around here, and I'm reasonably certain that there are at least ten such conversations in the universe. :P 

I like banana bread! :D 

[QUOTE="Dragon66116"][QUOTE="Mr_Jenkins"]...I just had deja vu. Have we had this conversation before? D:Courtney817

No. No we have not. I can only recall four intelligent conversations around here, and I'm reasonably certain that there are at least ten such conversations in the universe. :P 

So start an "intelligent" conversation now. :o 

I could start one, but no one likes my intelligent conversations. >_>mariostar0001

Try me. :o 

Because they turned into ferocious debates. :P

And what were the 4 intelligent conversations we've had? 

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]I could start one, but no one likes my intelligent conversations. >_>DrAwesomeMD

Try me. :o 

[QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]I could start one, but no one likes my intelligent conversations. >_>mariostar0001

Try me. :o 

Sounds good. Who would your 5 favorite presidents be, mariostar?

FDR is mine. :3Mr_Jenkins

Same with me. :o 

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"][QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]I could start one, but no one likes my intelligent conversations. >_>DrAwesomeMD

Try me. :o 

Sounds good. Who would your 5 favorite presidents be, mariostar?

[QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"][QUOTE="mariostar0001"][QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]I could start one, but no one likes my intelligent conversations. >_>mariostar0001

Try me. :o 

Sounds good. Who would your 5 favorite presidents be, mariostar?

Grant? Really now. That's unusual. Any reason other than that? Also, why Truman? 

Only one of those on my list would be Thomas Jefferson.  AND NO LINCOLN!!??? WHAT???

Oh, for the point of discussion, my favorites would be:

1. FDR
2. Lincoln
3. JFK
4. Eisenhower or Teddy Roosevelt
5. Reagan 

Only one of those on my list would be Thomas Jefferson.  AND NO LINCOLN!!??? WHAT???

 

Mr_Jenkins

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"][QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"][QUOTE="mariostar0001"][QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]I could start one, but no one likes my intelligent conversations. >_>DrAwesomeMD

Try me. :o 

Sounds good. Who would your 5 favorite presidents be, mariostar?

Grant? Really now. That's unusual. Any reason other than that? Also, why Truman? 

Mine would go:

1. FDR
2. Lincoln
3. Jefferson
4. TR
5. Wilson

Still surprised Lincoln didn't make your top 5 Mariostar.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

He made every single scholarly survey listed! :o 

He had a stroke. :|  And I don't get what you mean by single-mindedness.  I hope you don't mean he didn't take the South's side into account.

No Lincoln. A great orator and strategist and all, but a little too consumed with "the union" at the expense of everything else ( his family,his religion, his public relations, his sense of humor, etc.).

mariostar0001

None of those are relevant to how good a president is. Public relations, you can make an arguement for, but the others have no bearing on politics.

Then he did a lousy job of running the Korean war. MacArthur had the right idea, finish off the Koreans versus just bottling them up. Truman said no, MacArthur made his mistake by publicly insulting Truman, and Truman had him removed (and rightfully so), and replaced him with a guy who agreed with him (not that that's a dumb idea).

mariostar0001

Lol what? MacArthur wanted to atom bomb China. That would've been practically guranteed to start World War III. Truman made the right call there.

 

Then he left office and proceeded to try to help his friend Eisenhower to be president, only to be shocked and horrified when said man decided to run as a Democrat, making Truman decide to hate Eisenhower for the rest of his life (one of only three people Truman claimed he'd never forgive).mariostar0001

Don't you mean Eisenhower decided to run as a Republican? :P 

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]

No Lincoln. A great orator and strategist and all, but a little too consumed with "the union" at the expense of everything else ( his family,his religion, his public relations, his sense of humor, etc.).

DrAwesomeMD

None of those are relevant to how good a president is. Public relations, you can make an arguement for, but the others have no bearing on politics.

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]Then he did a lousy job of running the Korean war. MacArthur had the right idea, finish off the Koreans versus just bottling them up. Truman said no, MacArthur made his mistake by publicly insulting Truman, and Truman had him removed (and rightfully so), and replaced him with a guy who agreed with him (not that that's a dumb idea).

DrAwesomeMD

Lol what? MacArthur wanted to atom bomb China. That would've been practically guranteed to start World War III. Truman made the right call there.

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"] 

Then he left office and proceeded to try to help his friend Eisenhower to be president, only to be shocked and horrified when said man decided to run as a Democrat, making Truman decide to hate Eisenhower for the rest of his life (one of only three people Truman claimed he'd never forgive).DrAwesomeMD

Don't you mean Eisenhower decided to run as a Republican? :P 

They based my opinion on him as a person in the office of President. And believe it or not, the ability to lead your family well (and not manage to estrange your wife after your son dies) does have an impact on how you run your public life, especially in politics. And religion does matter in life, though I doubt I could convince you of that.

mariostar0001

Yeah, kinda forgot this whole thing is based around favorites, not trying to be objective. My bad.

 ...I honestly have heard nothing from any source (even my supposedly Christian yet still PC school) about atom bombing China. :|mariostar0001

Alright then. Here's what Wiki says about MacArthur contemplating using nukes and Truman discharging MacArthur:

These setbacks prompted General MacArthur to consider using nuclear weapons against the Chinese or North Korean interiors, intending radioactive fallout zones would interrupt the Chinese supply chains. Wikipedia

MacArthur had crossed the 38th parallel in the mistaken belief that the Chinese would not enter the war, leading to major allied losses. He believed that whether or not to use nuclear weapons should be his own decision, not the President's. MacArthur threatened to destroy China unless it surrendered. Wikipedia

Note that Wikipedia isn't my primary source; I learned that in US History and watching documentaries. 

Now this is an intelligent discussion!

My favorites include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, FDR, and I think that Kennedy was a good president. 

Now this is an intelligent discussion!

My favorites include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, FDR, and I think that Kennedy was a good president. 

Courtney817

Yay! :D 

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"] ...I honestly have heard nothing from any source (even my supposedly Christian yet still PC school) about atom bombing China. :|DrAwesomeMD

Alright then. Here's what Wiki says about MacArthur contemplating using nukes and Truman discharging MacArthur:

These setbacks prompted General MacArthur to consider using nuclear weapons against the Chinese or North Korean interiors, intending radioactive fallout zones would interrupt the Chinese supply chains. Wikipedia

MacArthur had crossed the 38th parallel in the mistaken belief that the Chinese would not enter the war, leading to major allied losses. He believed that whether or not to use nuclear weapons should be his own decision, not the President's. MacArthur threatened to destroy China unless it surrendered. Wikipedia

Note that Wikipedia isn't my primary source; I learned that in US History and watching documentaries. 

Now this is an intelligent discussion!

Courtney817

My problem is, I can't really form a top five worst list, I dislike too many. :|mariostar0001

Put down a handful of the ones you dislike. :o 

The first Harrison (:P), Truman, FDR, Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Wilson, probably more when I think of them. Obama has yet to get on because he has yet to have a full term, there's a chance he'll do something that redeems him in his last two years.mariostar0001

Really now? And why them?

Also, when you say Johnson, do you mean Andrew Johnson or Lyndon Johnson? 

How could you not like FDR? He lead our country through one of the worst wars in history and took great strides in ending the Great Depression. What is not to like about that?

How could you not like FDR? He lead our country through one of the worst wars in history and took great strides in ending the Great Depression. What is not to like about that?

 

Courtney817

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]The first Harrison (:P), Truman, FDR, Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, Wilson, probably more when I think of them. Obama has yet to get on because he has yet to have a full term, there's a chance he'll do something that redeems him in his last two years.DrAwesomeMD

Really now? And why them?

Also, when you say Johnson, do you mean Andrew Johnson or Lyndon Johnson? 

How could you not like FDR? He lead our country through one of the worst wars in history and took great strides in ending the Great Depression. What is not to like about that?

Courtney817

Correction: the worst war in history. World War II made all other wars, even World War I, seem like playground fights between kids. 

Also, fun fact: the depression technically ended by the end of FDR's first term. However, the economy hit a steep recession after recovering a lot, which is why FDR's unemployment rate spikes from 1937 to 1938. 

mariostar0001

I've seen most of your points made by people in history who didn't like FDR, and they're all valid to some degree. However, I don't believe there was anyone who could have led the nation better at the time, mostly due to all of FDR's oponents when he went up for reelection going "I'm going to do exactly what he's doing, so vote for me instead!". When you have that going on, you know you're doing something right. 

Andrew Johnson, due to his fail method of dealing with the south. Seriously, was he trying to spilt the country in two again or something? :roll: I'm not really a Lyndon fan either. As for Kennedy, he was a rather boring president, and overconfident. He wrote a thesis paper in college and made it into a book, which was pretty much totally rewritten by the publisher so it might sell, and then still didn't until Joseph Kennedy (AKA daddy) bought over 30,000 copies of it so it could become a bestseller. There's also the theory that he bribed his way into office, but I won't go there because I don't quite believe it myself.mariostar0001

Johnson was an arrogant SOB. He actually said that God had Lincoln killed so he could be president, or something to that effect. :roll:

I've heard that his dad bribed the Chicago mob into voting for him on the promise that they wouldn't get any heat from the law if they did so.

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]Andrew Johnson, due to his fail method of dealing with the south. Seriously, was he trying to spilt the country in two again or something? :roll: I'm not really a Lyndon fan either. As for Kennedy, he was a rather boring president, and overconfident. He wrote a thesis paper in college and made it into a book, which was pretty much totally rewritten by the publisher so it might sell, and then still didn't until Joseph Kennedy (AKA daddy) bought over 30,000 copies of it so it could become a bestseller. There's also the theory that he bribed his way into office, but I won't go there because I don't quite believe it myself.DrAwesomeMD

Johnson was an arrogant SOB. He actually said that God had Lincoln killed so he could be president, or something to that effect. :roll:

I've heard that his dad bribed the Chicago mob into voting for him on the promise that they wouldn't get any heat from the law if they did so.

[QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]Andrew Johnson, due to his fail method of dealing with the south. Seriously, was he trying to spilt the country in two again or something? :roll: I'm not really a Lyndon fan either. As for Kennedy, he was a rather boring president, and overconfident. He wrote a thesis paper in college and made it into a book, which was pretty much totally rewritten by the publisher so it might sell, and then still didn't until Joseph Kennedy (AKA daddy) bought over 30,000 copies of it so it could become a bestseller. There's also the theory that he bribed his way into office, but I won't go there because I don't quite believe it myself.mariostar0001

Johnson was an arrogant SOB. He actually said that God had Lincoln killed so he could be president, or something to that effect. :roll:

I've heard that his dad bribed the Chicago mob into voting for him on the promise that they wouldn't get any heat from the law if they did so.

Actually, they did. See, that part ties in to one of the JFK assassination theories that the mob did it. Joseph Kennedy said they wouldn't get any heat, but Robert Kennedy cracked down on them as attorney general, so some say they killed JFK since they felt they had been betrayed. 

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"][QUOTE="DrAwesomeMD"]

[QUOTE="mariostar0001"]Andrew Johnson, due to his fail method of dealing with the south. Seriously, was he trying to spilt the country in two again or something? :roll: I'm not really a Lyndon fan either. As for Kennedy, he was a rather boring president, and overconfident. He wrote a thesis paper in college and made it into a book, which was pretty much totally rewritten by the publisher so it might sell, and then still didn't until Joseph Kennedy (AKA daddy) bought over 30,000 copies of it so it could become a bestseller. There's also the theory that he bribed his way into office, but I won't go there because I don't quite believe it myself.DrAwesomeMD

Johnson was an arrogant SOB. He actually said that God had Lincoln killed so he could be president, or something to that effect. :roll:

I've heard that his dad bribed the Chicago mob into voting for him on the promise that they wouldn't get any heat from the law if they did so.

Actually, they did. See, that part ties in to one of the JFK assassination theories that the mob did it. Joseph Kennedy said they wouldn't get any heat, but Robert Kennedy cracked down on them as attorney general, so some say they killed JFK since they felt they had been betrayed.