Transferring Union Leadership (leader is banned, etc.) UPDATED

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#1 VinceL
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[FINAL UPDATE: New thread created regarding Union leader change]

[Update: The union admin tools have been fixed.]
[Update 12/13: Added guidelines to when we can and cannot transfer leadership.]
[Update 6/5: Contact VinceL via private message instead of replying to this thread]

There are a handful of cases after the redesign in which I transferred the leadership of a union from a banned leader to someone else, and those transfers did NOT occur successfully. I know which ones they were and have sent them in to be fixed. If you were one of these cases and have not been fixed yet, please reply to this thread.

Otherwise, if your union's leader is banned, use your union board to hold an election for a new leader, and then reply via a private message to VinceL with the winner's username. Also include a link to the thread with your election results.

RULES OF TRANSFER

The leader of the union has to be banned, deleted his account, or in some other way had his account effectively denied community access before a union transfer is eligible. If the leader wants to transfer his leadership, he/she should do so using the "Resign" link below his profile link in the Admin -> Members tab. If the leader wants to choose a specific person to take over, he/she may contact me to do the transfer - and if the leader is banned, he/she should contact me (or one of the officers, who should contact me) before an election is held.

If the union leader would just like to transfer union leadership temporarily, I can do that too. For example, if the leader goes on an extended vacation or something.

If a union leader has just not logged in for a long time and has not left any indication about transferring membership, that is unfortunately not a good enough cause to intervene. I cannot transfer the leadership in that situation since it's the union leader's responsibility to support and maintain the union, and if he/she is not banned or in some way prevented from being a leader, I can't interfere. If this is the case for your union, and you cannot continue with only the officers running the place, I would recommend selecting a leader to form a new union.

I hope you can understand this policy. I don't want to run into the issue again where the union leader was gone for X number of days and the leadership was transferred, only to have the leader return angry that his/her union was taken from him/her.

We'll probably invest in a technical solution to this issue in the following months which will allow unions to resolve leadership transfers themselves. I know there is a strong support for the co-leadership idea, so you don't need to remind me.

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#2 Sentinelrv
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You guys should make it so it's done automatically. Like if the leader is banned, a telegram would be sent out to all members explaining this, and the union would select the new leader just as it does when a leader resigns.
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#3 _Sam_
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You guys should make it so it's done automatically. Like if the leader is banned, a telegram would be sent out to all members explaining this, and the union would select the new leader just as it does when a leader resigns.Sentinelrv


That sounds hard to implent
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#4 Gum_Bercules
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Or you should give the person banned/suspended enough time to give leadership to someone else. Even if he is just suspended becuase a union with out a leader for even a week could bring it down a lot.
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#5 _Sam_
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Or you should give the person banned/suspended enough time to give leadership to someone else. Even if he is just suspended becuase a union with out a leader for even a week could bring it down a lot.Gum_Bercules


Or, there should be an option that a leader can select one person who gets leadership whenever they haven't signed onto GameSpot in 30 days or they were banned/suspended. Once promoted, that leader could ONLY change it if the precious leader was banned from GameSpot
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#6 Lu_Bu01
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'least I understand the situation now.
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#7 UT_Wrestler
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so when's this problem going to be fixed?
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#8 VinceL
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You guys should make it so it's done automatically. Like if the leader is banned, a telegram would be sent out to all members explaining this, and the union would select the new leader just as it does when a leader resigns.Sentinelrv


Will do (I think. I'd have to re-read the documentation).
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#9 hittin
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Some excellent work admins, you transferred the banned leader from the anti everything union to some random guy, not me
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#10 Sentinelrv
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[QUOTE="Sentinelrv"]You guys should make it so it's done automatically. Like if the leader is banned, a telegram would be sent out to all members explaining this, and the union would select the new leader just as it does when a leader resigns.VinceL


Will do (I think. I'd have to re-read the documentation).

Wow, I feel as if I have real power here! :o

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#11 Gum_Bercules
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You certainly do seem to influence the admins a lot, or persuade them rather. Anyways it's a good idea there needs to be some way to transfer leadership without all of the hassle.
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#12 hittin
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im still not leader, please vincel fix this ?
for the anti everything union
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You certainly do seem to influence the admins a lot, or persuade them rather. Anyways it's a good idea there needs to be some way to transfer leadership without all of the hassle.Gum_Bercules
He does have great ideas, and thinks of them logically...
Not just posting "OMG BRING BACK ADVANCED SEARCH AND ADD A BUNCH OF STUFF WE NEVER AHD BEFORE!!11!11!1!"
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#14 Sentinelrv
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[QUOTE="Gum_Bercules"]You certainly do seem to influence the admins a lot, or persuade them rather. Anyways it's a good idea there needs to be some way to transfer leadership without all of the hassle.cubedman990
He does have great ideas, and thinks of them logically...
Not just posting "OMG BRING BACK ADVANCED SEARCH AND ADD A BUNCH OF STUFF WE NEVER AHD BEFORE!!11!11!1!"

Posting like that doesn't get you anywhere. I like to lay all the details out so it's easily understandable.

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#15 VinceL
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[QUOTE="hittin"]im still not leader, please vincel fix this ?
for the anti everything union



You are on the fix list. Technically, you have most of the leader's powers, and are listed on the union home page as the leader. The only things you can't do are promote/demote and telegram. You can change the union name, permissions, banners, and all that stuff.
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#16 UT_Wrestler
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The nba union still needs new leadership, and I seem to be the only one dealing with this problem.  When is the problem going to be fixed?
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#17 stebo_2005
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Don't forget about the Nascar Hall of Fame Union, just reminding you.

And I think that leaders should also get to pick someone at any point in his/her leadership to fill in for him/her if they get banned, suspended, etc.  Or if their just resigning instead of the leader changes being automated the leader choose who they want to become leader when the resign. Just an idea.

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#18 bulletproofcow
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Yeah at the Jak And Daxter union or leader isn't banned or anything like that. He is online and posts in other unions, but has not done anything for our union in a long time. We have PMed him many times but he ignores us. Can u do something? Our mods don't do anything either.(Note: If u r going to do something like remove him from leadership, please don't make me leader. i am not there enough to be a good leader.)

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/home.php?union_id=JADU

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#19 Newborn1990
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Theleader at the Metroid Union hasn't been at GameSpot for over 16 days.  He is inactive as well as his officers, and there is arising conflict at his board with some of his members.  That being said, I posted to the members of merging my UCB, the Everything Metroid Board, and the Metroid Union to be more active and effictive.  As well, to be more regulated by actual people of authority, such as a leader or an officer.  My reasons are specified in my thread.

Also, I've previously listed the Everything Metroid Board on the post restoration list.  Even though I'll be merging, I still need some threads back for convenience.  I can merge before the posts are restored, but I would like it if you can eventually find time to restore those posts, but I'm not trying to rush you.  Thanks Vince.

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The nba union's election results are in.  The winner appears to be myself.  Can we now get a transfer of leadership?

Check the link here: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24053980&union_id=525

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#22 bulletproofcow
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Nevermind. I contacted the leader off gamespot and he transfered leadership.
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#23 Lu_Bu01
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Is Hijackers Inc. on the list?
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The nba union's election results are in. The winner appears to be myself. Can we now get a transfer of leadership?

Check the link here: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24053980&union_id=525

UT_Wrestler

Done.
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#25 VinceL
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[QUOTE="Lu_Bu01"]Is Hijackers Inc. on the list?



No, not yet... Can you give me the full details again? Sorry about having you repeat yourself, if you are, but I was sort of swamped before I could get this list together.
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#27 wallymartin
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The leader of the National Football League Union hasn't been on Gamespot for a souple of months.  So if we hold an election for a new leader, we can get it changed?
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#28 VinceL
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I've updated the first post to answer the question of "If the union leader just hasn't been active/online in a long time, can we transfer union leadership?"
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If a union leader has just not logged in for a long time and has not left any indication about transferring membership, that is unfortunately not a good enough cause to intervene. I cannot transfer the leadership in that situation since it's the union leader's responsibility to support and maintain the union, and if he/she is not banned or in some way prevented from being a leader, I can't interfere. If this is the case for your union, and you cannot continue with only the officers running the place, I would recommend selecting a leader to form a new union.VinceL

But then they would lose their entire member base, or almost all of it. What if the union leader has been gone for three months or more? This is a terrible way for a union to go.

I think that GameSpot should create a system where if the leader is inactive for so long, they receive an automatic PM notifying them that they will be kicked from leadership in X amount of days if they don't get active with the union again. It could also mention that if they don't care about the union anymore, then they should hold an election and pass the union on to the winner of the election. This is almost the same thing as the inactive union deletion system you mentioned about GameSpot creating before.

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[QUOTE="VinceL"]If a union leader has just not logged in for a long time and has not left any indication about transferring membership, that is unfortunately not a good enough cause to intervene. I cannot transfer the leadership in that situation since it's the union leader's responsibility to support and maintain the union, and if he/she is not banned or in some way prevented from being a leader, I can't interfere. If this is the case for your union, and you cannot continue with only the officers running the place, I would recommend selecting a leader to form a new union.Sentinelrv

But then they would lose their entire member base, or almost all of it. What if the union leader has been gone for three months or more? This is a terrible way for a union to go.

I think that GameSpot should create a system where if the leader is inactive for so long, they receive an automatic PM notifying them that they will be kicked from leadership in X amount of days if they don't get active with the union again. It could also mention that if they don't care about the union anymore, then they should hold an election and pass the union on to the winner of the election. This is almost the same thing as the inactive union deletion system you mentioned about GameSpot creating before.



I'm not saying this is a permanent policy, and fortunately we have a wealth of user-submitted suggestions as to how to implement a technical solution to the problem.
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[QUOTE="VinceL"] [QUOTE="Lu_Bu01"]Is Hijackers Inc. on the list?



No, not yet... Can you give me the full details again? Sorry about having you repeat yourself, if you are, but I was sort of swamped before I could get this list together.


ok. I'm not really sure what details you need. The leader ScarfaceEvaStar was perm banned with all accounts so we need him resigned in order to have a leader.

EDIT: Is the Satanist Union's leader banned?
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#32 Lu_Bu01
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Anything else you need?
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#33 VinceL
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I need to know that your union has held elections, and who the winner is.
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#34 Lu_Bu01
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[QUOTE="VinceL"]I need to know that your union has held elections, and who the winner is.


I'm not sure if you'll take this as credible or not, but he says he'll send you an email. In case that is not enough I have, however begun an election and have notified all members. I'll keep you updated on that.
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#35 Lu_Bu01
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Ok, nobuggs won the election

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24074227&union_id=3833&page=0
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#36 SSJ4Justin
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Question.  Does this apply to UCB's too?  Because theres one UCB that im a Mod to but the Admin got banned.
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#38 iforgotokie
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Is the Mercenaries Union on the list? The leader was banned before the remodel but now it says he's is on i think 24/7 and he ignores everyones pms. Also he now has a long number before his name, so I don't know what has happend. I have tried to form a new union but one of my charters always disappears, so I haven't been able to start one. We have already voted for a new leader and I'm it, so I think he might still be banned. I have pmed Bethany several times with no response or result, so I'm asking for you to please clear this up.

Here is the link to the election (to which everyone was notified of):  http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=21098722&union_id=1506

Or: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=21098700&union_id=1506

By the way our leader is:20201433415679324225907419972428-Landshark21

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i mean he's the current leader the union wants removed.
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#40 VinceL
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nobuggs and iforgotokie are taken care of (the delay was because of the long holiday). I am not transferring UCB's at the moment.
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#41 iforgotokie
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Thank you VinceL.
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#42 Lu_Bu01
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I need to know if this user is banned before we can do anything....I've asked admins several times........no answer.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/index.php?user=afalkoski2
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#43 VinceL
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[QUOTE="Lu_Bu01"]I need to know if this user is banned before we can do anything....I've asked admins several times........no answer.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/index.php?user=afalkoski2



Not banned, still active.
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I am trying to start up a union (Christian Fellowship Union) and I sent out the charter member invites. Three accpeted and they show as being accepted, I got an e-mail that the fourth member accepted, however when I go to my union page it still shows only 3 have accepted instead of the four as it should be, so the union cannot get started up. Please help, thanks :)
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#46 SWdarkJedi
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Ok I have a union that has been dying for a while now and our leader has not been active for like 3 months.  We held an election and we have decided that I be leader.  The votes will be shown below, but I was wondering can you be a leader of two unions?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24225563&union_id=2621

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#47 VinceL
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[QUOTE="Draconis"]I am trying to start up a union (Christian Fellowship Union) and I sent out the charter member invites. Three accpeted and they show as being accepted, I got an e-mail that the fourth member accepted, however when I go to my union page it still shows only 3 have accepted instead of the four as it should be, so the union cannot get started up. Please help, thanks :)



Something weird happened with godsgroovygamer's invitation acceptance. In any case, I've forced the union to form - have him try to accept again. If that doesn't work, have him decline, then re-send the invite.
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#48 Draconis
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[QUOTE="VinceL"] [QUOTE="Draconis"]I am trying to start up a union (Christian Fellowship Union) and I sent out the charter member invites. Three accpeted and they show as being accepted, I got an e-mail that the fourth member accepted, however when I go to my union page it still shows only 3 have accepted instead of the four as it should be, so the union cannot get started up. Please help, thanks :)



Something weird happened with godsgroovygamer's invitation acceptance. In any case, I've forced the union to form - have him try to accept again. If that doesn't work, have him decline, then re-send the invite.



Thank you very much, it is much appreciated :)
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#49 VinceL
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Ok I have a union that has been dying for a while now and our leader has not been active for like 3 months. We held an election and we have decided that I be leader. The votes will be shown below, but I was wondering can you be a leader of two unions?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24225563&union_id=2621

SWdarkJedi


Please review the rules again from the first post.
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#50 SWdarkJedi
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[QUOTE="SWdarkJedi"]

Ok I have a union that has been dying for a while now and our leader has not been active for like 3 months. We held an election and we have decided that I be leader. The votes will be shown below, but I was wondering can you be a leader of two unions?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=24225563&union_id=2621

VinceL


Please review the rules again from the first post.

so you cant make me the new leader of the union because I am the leader of another union