Much harder to dominate than in previous CoD's

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#1 Gamer3344
Member since 2007 • 110 Posts

I am beast in BO1, but in BO2 I'm getting owned. I either go negative, neutral or a little over positive. I can't spread the difference between kills and deaths.

Anyone else feel this way?

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#2 Xtatic324
Member since 2003 • 1340 Posts

I sold the game within 24 hours because of this. I would dominate in Black Ops 1. Attacks Dogs was common for me to get. It was so easy. MW3 I could have dominated if it wasn't for the spawn system. I still liked it though. In Black Ops 2, I never raged so bad in my life. I almost chucked the game out the window. I heard from others online that they hated the game. What I don't understand is... What are other people doing that they see me first. I run a 50 download 12 upload. My connection is legit. For some reason I will shoot someone first, but they will still kill me. There must be a trick to this game that I haven't figured out yet. Also on the killcam, its amazing how everyone seems like the greatest players of all time. Like their spider senses are tingling.

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#3 Fruitymachete
Member since 2011 • 71 Posts

Well join the club ! I'm getting owned ass hel in Black ops 2 , Those damn noobs have superpowers or something.

I had a 2:3 K/D on MW3 and even higher on the previous COD but i just can't get a higher K/D in this game then 1.

 

Well mabye because it's a new gun or mabye because i aint using submachine guns ( way to overpowered if you ask me ).

I really don't know what's wrong with this game or with me lol . 

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#4 Fruitymachete
Member since 2011 • 71 Posts

Owye without ghost and silencer , the game is unplayable ..... , Why don't give them a wallhack killstreak at 3 kills ?

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#5 modart
Member since 2005 • 86 Posts

 its amazing how everyone seems like the greatest players of all time. Like their spider senses are tingling.

Xtatic324

Thats how I feel  whne i trip one of those shock rods.

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#6 marine66
Member since 2002 • 25 Posts

Are you guys serious?  Isn't it possible that other players have gotten better over time?  Also, just because you were godly in one game doesn't mean you will be in other ones.  Keep in mind the game hasn't even been out a week so just give it time and I'm sure you'll all be your usual godly-selves.  I just play for fun and I win some and lose some.

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#7 power-fantastic
Member since 2009 • 557 Posts

I always go hard for objectives and still kept a 1.5 kdr in MW3 with a solid W/L ratio. Some things I noticed is that its a lot harder to camp in this game unless your totally slaughtering the other team. Also those lightinig strikes are brutal when trying to string points/kills. Anyhow Idipped blow a 1.0 kdr for a second but I'm up to 1.03 climbing fast (lol) at level 38. :roll:

Seriousyl as I figure out the maps and where the opposition likes to camp, I'm seeing a lot more 2-1 kdr games.

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#8 MightyD88
Member since 2002 • 3517 Posts

I was AROUND 1.10ish or so in previous ones, but currently have 1.90 in this one.

May be you all are onto something.  I consider myself an "arcade" player and this target finder does the job for me, instead of me squinting and concentrating on finding players.  All I have to do it run around and look for red squares.  May be the finally made this game n00b-friendly.

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#9 mrsniper83
Member since 2009 • 1552 Posts
I feel the same way.I was good at BO and MW3 but it seems that I just can't get things going in this game.Sometimes I win,most of the time I lose, it just seems that no matter what gun I use I can't seem to kill the other person before they kill me.Oh well though,I play for fun.
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#10 Vraeth
Member since 2005 • 1208 Posts

I didn't play MW3, but the map layout in BO2 is definitely different. Another thing I've noticed is that many of the weapons don't feel quite as powerful as in BO. I've noticed that oftentimes games don't have players dominating quite at the level of BO. I've had a similar problem as the ones that are being described here--I'm getting killed by people regularly who, on my end, seem like I shot first and filled full of lead. Conversely, I've had people I've killed note the same thing about me. This is probably a server issue, and will hopefully get resolved. Also, the whole dying after I've reached cover seems worse here than it was in BO.

I'm sure part of it is players getting better, but a larger part is probably that the strategies of previous CoD's don't translate as well as they used to. Things such as SMGs are more effective than ARs in close range by a wider gap, as well as sniper rifles being the most effective they've been since CoD4.

I was pretty decent at BO (sat at a a 2.5 KDR as a TDM player and around the same as an FFA player from beginning to end... so I guess I never really improved much either), but it looks like people are going to have to adapt to a new game. I'm working on it and my KDR is certainly going to suffer for it, but who cares. The old habits are gonna die hard, though.

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#11 Immolation01
Member since 2008 • 25 Posts

My friends and I are having this problem. In black ops1 and mw 2 & 3 we would totally dominate each game without camping, just running around rushing with machine guns, shotguns or snipers. To a point that we would win around 30+ games without losing a single time, all of us with at least 1.80-3.00+ ratio. In Black Ops 2 we cant get more than 1.5 ratio in each game, even tho we lose only a few games, we barely win. Either we are getting old and our reflexes are slower or black ops 2 has an amazing delay on some people. Sometimes I can literally shot a guy an entire magazine and when I see my killcam I only hit him once.

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#12 Immolation01
Member since 2008 • 25 Posts

*Their killcam* Some people are almost immortal in this game and it is not because they have supperior skills lol, sometime a single guy being shot by 3-4 people manage to kill everyone without problem, without getting hit once.

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#13 mastahwolf
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lag compensation is currently pretty bad to the point I have 4 bars and still get shot from behind cover, kind of thing that did happen in BO1 but to a lesser extent, but did not happen at all in MW3. Hopefully that one will be fixed with patches soon But there are indeed also people like me that come from negative KDs in MW3 and BO1 to a 1.29 in BO2 and constantly rising. The very late unlock of Ghost might be a cause since not everyone has prestiged yet, this might change a little bit after a few. the MP7 still being the laser it was in MW3, people claim it's been nerfed from MW3, at least it's range but I use it and that thing still has zero recoil but yea I've always been a SMG guy since the 2-3 previous CoDs and I feel that they're pretty strong this time around, especially the MP7, the MSMC and the Vector
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#14 mastahwolf
Member since 2010 • 171 Posts
this is an example of how bad lag compensation can get for me in this game and I believe that everyone has been experiencing something similar to that http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oRpEYUJR0vI
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#15 Vraeth
Member since 2005 • 1208 Posts

Yeah I just got done playing BO1 and went back to BO2, and the lag compensation puts this game halfway to unplayable. I'm seeing bolt action snipers dominate FFA playing like it's ****ing CS--I'm losing to a bolt action with an SMG that I started firing first at 5 yards away.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm running at 4 bars.

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#16 The_Rick_14
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Welcome to week one server issues (regardless of what it says you're running at). Over the past couple days, I have been getting in a higher percentage of games where it feels like things are playing correct (as in I win gunfights I expect to have won and lose ones I should lose). Hopefully it will continue to get better over time.
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#17 Diminisher
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Much harder to dominate? Just went 40-13 with a 20+ KS. Dat Ballista. Ok you can't blame lag compensation and then say BO is better. They have the same thing. It always sucks the first week(s) Depends on how long it takes those that claim it to be unplayable to return it. Also the spawn switching has become more prominent to prevent spawn camping. (Was way to easy in BO) I like that change actually.
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#18 LilAznRiceBoi89
Member since 2004 • 1188 Posts

You guys got it right; lag compensation is horrible. It shows that I have 4 bars but I lose in every single 1v1. I will be shooting on my screen first and unload half of a magazine only to be drop shotted or killed in 1-2 bullet spray. I then proceed to watch the killcam and I didn't even shoot on their screen. Just like everyone else, I've been dominating in every CoD game since CoD4. Getting killstreaks and averaging games of 2 - 3+ kdr has been a regular thing for me. Black Ops 2 on the other hand is all my rage. I haven't raged at a CoD game in a while to the point where I am constantly shaking my head at the game. BTW Hijacked is like the worst map too, thanks for that Treyarch. 

I've noticed I can still pull off big games in Blops 2. My most recent game I went 40-10 in Domination with a Skorpion EVO. As you guys have already said, this game is a SMG game. I don't know what Treyarch was thinking. SMGs have little to no recoil while AR have way more bump and sway. Snipers are OP and quick scoping is back with a vengence. With all that being said, I can only do well when I can feel that the connection is right. When their is delay I lose like 80% of gunfights and people seem to always get around corners and my bullets honestly feel like nerf bullets. 

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#19 alphatango1
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Ive been playing this for while. Cant say I have noticed too much of that. This game is fast and whoever get the drop first usually wins. Personally, I find the maps too tight. I feel sorry for the snipers, wait did i actually say that?

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#20 Samslayer
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I agree with your statement, and I am experiencing some of the same stuff as you are talking about. I am a 2.75 kdr player on Blops1 and a ~2.3 on MW3. I am currently playing at about a 1.8 kdr in blops2. I usually do well even though I always play in a yellow connection (2 to 3 bars max) on all three of the games I mentioned, but blops2 just feels like it has more lag overall.

It is getting better though, I'm not sure if it is just me improving with the game itself (it does seem to play quite differently than the previous installments), or if I am connecting to the servers better. It is probably a combination of the two.

Even with these issues, I do appreciate that there is a lot more parity within the game itself. It has not seemed like a race to the chopper gunner then dogs as in the previous blops. Heck, I have yet to see a substantial killstreak, just the occasional lucky care package. Interestingly this has put a massive importance on spy planes. So, I try to shoot them down as much as I can, this is quite beneficial since they are worth 3/4s of a kill. If someone goes 3 KDR or over without camping the lights out, they had a pretty dang good game!

I am likely the game, but as a few have said it does get really frustrating from time to time!

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#21 Vraeth
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Much harder to dominate? Just went 40-13 with a 20+ KS. Dat Ballista. Ok you can't blame lag compensation and then say BO is better. They have the same thing. It always sucks the first week(s) Depends on how long it takes those that claim it to be unplayable to return it. Also the spawn switching has become more prominent to prevent spawn camping. (Was way to easy in BO) I like that change actually.Diminisher

I'm certainly not going to return it, but it is a problem at this point. I'm sure they'll resolve it eventually, as it usually is. It doesn't make it any less annoying, though. I've had good games despite it--as I said above, it just requires an adjustment in tactics,

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#22 Ohaidere
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The lag compensation is part of it, another part is that the spawns in this game are the worst in the series to date.

Plus, SMGs are to this game what ARs were in BO1. So if you primarily use ARs, that might be part of the problem. A couple of them aren't bad, but if you're on the crap side of the lag comp, don't even bother using one.

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#23 RocKtheCasbaH
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Don't rely on Target Finder to fix your problems, I see so many people using it on the kill cam that I have Perk 2 Greed on all my classes now and always run with Cold Blooded (I don't use lethals or an alternate - can always pick up guns in game without point cost). When you are dependent on that red diamond before pulling your trigger you are dead before you realise what you are looking at when someone with Cold Blooded comes at you.

But until people figure this out, Taget Finder with a LMG on maps that work for ranged weapons is a deadly combination. Other than that specialise in SMG's and run and gun, seems to work ok for me.

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#24 DemonFox75
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I am doing great. Started off a little rough but now I am killing it. I norm struggle with past COD games until I have gotten some more perks and attachments but not on this one. I almost every time come out positive in K/D
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#25 Ohaidere
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Don't rely on Target Finder to fix your problems, I see so many people using it on the kill cam that I have Perk 2 Greed on all my classes now and always run with Cold Blooded (I don't use lethals or an alternate - can always pick up guns in game without point cost). When you are dependent on that red diamond before pulling your trigger you are dead before you realise what you are looking at when someone with Cold Blooded comes at you.

But until people figure this out, Taget Finder with a LMG on maps that work for ranged weapons is a deadly combination. Other than that specialise in SMG's and run and gun, seems to work ok for me.

RocKtheCasbaH

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I think a lot of people use Target Finder just because they like it as a sight. The reason that you're killing people isn't because they're relying on TF, but because they're using an LMG and you're using an SMG. With the maps the way they are in BO2, there aren't many scenarios an LMG is going to come out on top in the best of circumstances.

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#26 catrocr
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Call it 'lag compensation', 'handicapping', 'net code', or whatever--it sucks to high heaven.

I have a 2.55 KDR in the original BO.  I have a 2.75 KDR in MW3.

In BO2 I struggle to maintain a 2.22 and it goes down every game I play because they are punishing me for having a good connection speed.

The other day on Carrier, a guy was standing behind a container with only his head exposed.  I was using the 4 round burst M8A1 and shot that dude right in the head with THREE BURSTS getting a 'X' hit designation every time and he still didn't die!  Needless to say it was rage time.

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#27 catrocr
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Don't rely on Target Finder to fix your problems, I see so many people using it on the kill cam that I have Perk 2 Greed on all my classes now and always run with Cold Blooded (I don't use lethals or an alternate - can always pick up guns in game without point cost). When you are dependent on that red diamond before pulling your trigger you are dead before you realise what you are looking at when someone with Cold Blooded comes at you.

But until people figure this out, Taget Finder with a LMG on maps that work for ranged weapons is a deadly combination. Other than that specialise in SMG's and run and gun, seems to work ok for me.

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For run and gun, I use the KAP 40 with Scavenger perk to avoid running out of ammo. Lightweight and Marathon too. KAP 40 is deadly--as long as they are on the screen when you pull the trigger they will die.