Xbox Scorpio Will Deliver "Very Best Console Version Of Games," Exec Says

"I'm very confident," Phil Spencer says.

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If you're picking up a Project Scorpio console, you can expect to play the "very best console version" of games this year, according to Xbox boss Phil Spencer.

Asked on Twitter if games like Destiny 2 and Call of Duty: WWII (presumably) will look better on Scorpio, Spencer said, "I'm very confident, from what we are seeing and hearing, Scorpio will be the very best console version of games this year."

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According to Microsoft, Scorpio--or whatever name Microsoft ends up giving it--is the "most powerful console ever made." It boasts 6 teraflops of performance, including 326 GB/s of memory bandwidth. Additionally, Microsoft says the console's engine is the "most powerful console gaming processor ever created." The console has a vapor chamber that uses "advanced liquid-cooling," while it also uses the Hovis Method to maximize performance and minimize power consumption.

All Xbox One games work on Scorpio, though the Scorpio editions can look and perform better, in some cases, if developers want to do that. It is a similar situation with PS4 and PS4 Pro.

Microsoft is expected to share more details on Scorpio at E3 or sooner. Presumably we will learn the console's official name and price, among other things, in the weeks and months to come before the system's launch this holiday.

In other Xbox news, Microsoft's E3 2017 planning is taking shape. Microsoft conducted an end-to-end runthrough of its briefing today, which apparently took all day.

Additionally, Microsoft Studios boss Shannon Loftis said the company may soon announce at least a partial list of the games it's bringing to and showing off at E3.

The Xbox E3 briefing this year takes place on a new day, Sunday, starting at 2 PM PT on June 11. GameSpot will bring you all the news from the event as it's announced.

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Of course it will...it's the strongest console yet to be released isn't it?

Thanks for the re-announcement of the announcement of said announcement that was announced last year when it was originally announced xD

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@louixiii: HA!

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@louixiii: I love the selling points.
" The console has a vapor chamber that uses "advanced liquid-cooling," while it also uses the Hovis Method to maximize performance and minimize power consumption. " Like who the hell cares how hot a damn console is? I can understand saving power, but come on using the old Jag CPU i don't see them talking so much about that, i wonder why.

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@Popa2caps: According to D.F. they prototyped the cpu through software and eliminated the possible bottlenecks and draw calls, the main cpu bottleneck were reduced from thousands to 11 thus freeing up 50% of the cpu then they even customized the cores to run faster and more efficiently all before the first cpu was even built.The theme here is balance scorpio is greater than the sum of its specs.

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@Popa2caps: Because they know it's bull****. They already ran test on a pc that had the same specs and with most games they had to take a big hit on the graphics to run in 4K.

I think next gen is going to be weak sauce too. If they're not 8K capable, I don't want em

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@louixiii: Did you really just compare the terrible, inaccurate lack-luster of a PC they tried to compare?

You do know the Jague CPU is barely a jaguar because it's entirely custom. I.e, you can barely find any of it's features in an off-the-shelf version of the same CPU.

So what will you be using to power your 8K monitors? There aren't many cards out there that do it anyway.

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@gtxplayer:

"Project Scorpio uses a six teraflop GPU based on AMD’s Polaris architecture. Considering AMD’s recently released Radeon RX 580 is a 6.1 teraflop graphics card that’s also based on Polaris, we think it’s a great fit for our build here."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-how-a-pc-with-xbox-scorpio-specs-performs/1100-6449878/

The RX 580 boost more teraflops than a Scorpio so what they used was actually a bit more powerful.

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@louixiii: More powerful on paper but no where near as powerful in practice for a very simple reason.

The console is ENTIRELY custom which means it performs miles ahead of any PC with similar specs. You can see the Digital Foundry analysis of performance for the proof.

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@gtxplayer: They said that about the PS4 vs Xbox One and what happened...the PS4 was actually more powerful xD

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@louixiii: It's more powerful and yet it has nothing to show for it now as it did when it was first released. People have learned the hardware and that's what counts.

The difference we have this time round is huge. Its the first premium console and with that you will get premium performance. The PS4 Pro will be no where near competitive. It doesn't have DirectX baked into hardware. It's isn't as customised as the Scorpio hardware and finally it doesn't have the power to keep up with it.

Lastly, Sony doesn't have the money to do what MS does, and that's all it boils down to. MS could easily put them out of business to be brutally honest.

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@gtxplayer: We already know it's more powerful than the Pro. Tell me something I don't know Sherlock xD

And "premium" console means jacks*** without games. The original Xbox was a "premium" console but when it dropped, it got smoked because it lacked "quality" exclusives.

[You] "Lastly, Sony doesn't have the money to do what MS does, and that's all it boils down to."

Yet Sony's console is miles ahead of the competition is sales...

Sales...that's what it boils down to...so take that backwards ideology and GTFOH xD

And if they could have put them out of business already...don't you think it would've been done by now?

You fanboys get more and more ridiculous by the day lol

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@louixiii: Tell you something you don't know? PS3 was miles ahead in terms of computing power vs Xbox 360. The extra power was never used because the system was too complex to program for!

Also: "they had to take a big hit on the graphics to run in 4K". That's because it's a PC cobbled together with off-the-shelf parts. If you knew anything about a console it would be that you cannot compare a PC to a console. Also the fact that both companies spend million in R&D just for the CPU design. You know literally nothing about how the console hardware works.

Sony loses money for each PS4 sold, just like Microsoft so your point is invalid. Sales don't matter when it makes you no money per unit. It's the business as a whole that keeps the boat floating.

No... because putting a company out of business is bad for the industry and it would cause the industry to die. Are you really that naïve?

That's a rather amusing point because I don't own any console. I own a gaming PC. Well done for proving you are a fanboy :]

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@gtxplayer: You're an idiot lol

How are you going to start a paragraph off with "Tell you something you don't know?" and then you tell me something I already know xD

Also, in but so many words you've just said "Hey...I don't own a console but I love to comment on console related threads and articles" xD

Like...really? GTFOH troll. You don't own a console so why are you here? And unlike your broke a**, I own every console that's been released since the NES plus I own a kick ass computer that's running an Intel i7-7700k processor w/Nvidia GTX1070. Best $1500 I ever spent at BestBuy...but regardless, you're wrong.

Sony doesn't lose money per console. They gain actually. Do you not know how many people are paying for PSN not to mention how much they've made off of software? Do you know how much they pay for materials in bulk? I bet you don't...which goes to show you're talking out of your a** fanboy lol

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/ps4-sales-sony-full-year-profit/

"Strong demand for the PS4 and games led to an 11.8 percent jump in sales for Sony's Game and Network Services division."

Proof is in the pudding...

Now come with that "sales don't matter" bs...

xD

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@louixiii: It was a guess, maybe I will whip out my Crystal ball next time.

I don't own a console but I did own every console I wanted. I still have my Gameboy, DS and PS1/2 in the attic. I don't own a Maserati but apparently that means I can't make opinions about them on a public website. You live with either strange rules or you have a few screws loose in the mental department :]

Funny because I doubt you own every console since the NES. You write like a 5 year old petulant child. Are you really going to result to point scoring because I keep proving you wrong? Doesn't bother me. I own two rigs, one for developing Apps in C/C++ and SDL and one for gaming with a 1070 and 7600k@5GHz. I hope you didn't buy an i7 for gaming lmao.

Aww don't shift the subject. They do lose money for every PS4 unit sold. PSN is a different matter. It's the exact reason PSN exists. To make a real profit these days you have to sell a "service" and not a physical product. This cuts manufacturing to zilch. Here's the article that proves you wrong. That article simply links what the PS4 and its services make. I mentioned the PS4 as a unit, not bundled with services. Stick to the topic :]

Microsoft could put Sony out of business rather easily but it would destroy the industry:

Sony NET Income (They lost more than they've earned since '08)

Microsoft NEW Income (I don't need to say anymore)

Remember when Sony had to sell off its TV business, VAIO business and then its video and audio division (Sony Vegas, Sound Forge and more). Such bad times for a company that used to be at the top :D

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@gtxplayer: Don't whip out a crystal ball, just stop assuming. That's your problem. Then you have the nerve to claim that I write like a 5 year old child yet you say things like this...

[You] "I don't own a console but I did own every console I wanted. I still have my Gameboy, DS and PS1/2 in the attic."

Do you know what a oxymoron is? For the uneducated...an oxymoron is a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction.

That alone let's me know that this isn't a fair fight lol

2 things we've learned about you...

1.) You love to assume and...

2.) You're a hypocrite xD

Next...

[You] "Funny because I doubt you own every console since the NES."

Well I doubt you graduated high school lol but I'm a collector so yes...I do. The only person on this site (that I know of) that has a bigger collection than myself is suicidesnowman. His collection dates back to the original Colecovision.

The assumption is real with this one xD

[You] "Aww don't shift the subject"

You mean...don't do exactly what you did? Like...how you still haven't admitted that the PS4 dusted the Xbox One in sales? Is that what you mean by "shifting" the subject? I call it avoidance. It's something that fanboys do to avoid looking like mindless idiots while defending their plastic box of choice. THE PS4 OUTSELLING THE XBOX ONE IS A FACT...sooooooooo why is that so hard to understand. And Sony only lost a small margin per unit but in REALITY (where most people live) they profited big time because of PSN and quality software...and speaking of quality software, how's those quality exclusives for the Xbox One coming along?

Oh wait...you don't have one do you? My bad. I "assumed" you did for a sec xD

And I just remembered...they don't have exclusive Xbox games anymore. I wonder why :/

And why are you spreading false information? Sony didn't sell their TV division. You don't even read your own links. "Spinning off doesn't mean it "sold" it's TV division. They might sell it in the future but they have yet to do so...

http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/sony-says-it-wont-sell-struggling-movie-tv-businesses/

There's a fresh 2017 link for you. That bs you tried to pimp off earlier was a 2 years old article xD

https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/18/8063269/sony-electronics-future-selling-off-pc-smartphone-tv\

Try READING the articles you post first. Once again...this isn't even a fair fight xD

Now there's 3 things we've learned about you...

1.) You love to assume

2.) You're hypocrite and...

3.) You're comprehension skills went down the s***ter with your credibility xD

FURTHERMORE...don't try to get me to sign up for anything. The Microsoft link you sent was spam and that's not allowed here. Microsoft NEW Income

Lastly, you say that...

[You] "Microsoft could put Sony out of business rather easily but it would destroy the industry"

Yet...they've failed to outsell a Sony console EVERY GENERATION even though the Xbox 360 got a year head start over the PS3 last gen...

Why is that genius?

Let me tell you...people like exclusive content and exclusive gaming experiences and in large abundance. That's what Sony provides which is why they will always strive. Microsoft makes a lot of money off of their OS...but not their gaming division xD

On that note...stop assuming (because you've made an ass of yourself multiple times already kiddo), stop making yourself to be a hypocrite (I don't own xxx but I got xxx in my mom's attic lol), and take your time reading articles so you won't misguide any more people (it's the blind leading the blind out here).

:D

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@louixiii: Stop assuming what? How am I supposed to know of something that you don't.... it was a guess, clearly.

Do you know how typical forums and/or comment sections work? It's laid back typing of which I am not aware or bothered about grammar but only basic spelling and logic. Thanks for pointing it out though.

It was an educated guess of which I wasn't fully confident I would get correct. I'm not afraid to admit it though :] Why would I need to admit anything? Of course it outsold it, and it still does. I don't defend a single console as I said previously. Despite you saying you have a great collection of consoles and a gaming PC, I thought you would have more of a grip and stop defending a specific company, console or platform. If the 2 higher-ups in MS were sacked way before they started working on Xbox One, we wouldn't have a lack-luster console. Notice how they were both gone not long after :) The sales were shocking because it wasn't what the consumer wanted at all. They both knew it and ignored their market. You can't simply do that. You keep forgetting that your original argument is moot because I proved you wrong. I don't play Xbox One because I don't have one as I previously said; "I don't own a console".

Sony profits on the edge of bankruptcy and always will until they shift their focus. Sony isn't what it used to be.

When you spin off a company you split it into it's own entity. The shares and stock have to be divided, so no matter if it is sold to an external company or split and retained under a parent, the stock are diminished so they still lose a great deal of interest and money. I gave you a two year old link because that is when the news came through. How nice it would be to be a time traveller though.

Spam? No it's called information. It can be viewed if you load the page and press Print screen before the page loads, or are you incapable of using your keyboard to it's full extent?

So because they've failed, does that mean they couldn't destroy their business? Nope. Microsoft likes to evolve the market using it's own cash because they can afford to. They tried Kinect which wasn't taken very well. New peeps were brought in when the previous one were kicked out (yup it happened twice (remember the guy that went for Zinga when he left)). Then the new peeps did the same thing and they were also sacked.

Expecting great sales from something that is lead from a previous failed product is naïve. Of course it wasn't going to get great sales. The PS2 sales were crazy and so you would expect PS3 sales to be better than a few million, would you not? Clearly that is not the case ;]

Microsoft makes majority of money from their services-orientated products and not their physical products as I said previously. They can afford to pump infrastructure and new features into their products where Sony cannot. (Hi Beam Streaming, Scorpio, Crackdown cloud computing). Sony cannot afford to pump out this because they can't do business anywhere as efficiently or on the same scale. Such a sad truth.

Keep changing the subject and I will keep proving you wrong :) Let's hope you've ran out now. Although I'm sure you can find a spelling mistake somewhere :D.

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@gtxplayer: Why do people ask questions they already know the answer to?

[You] " Stop assuming what? How am I supposed to know of something that you don't.... it was a guess, clearly."

Yet you forgot about this...

[You] "Tell you something you don't know? PS3 was miles ahead in terms of computing power vs Xbox 360. The extra power was never used because the system was too complex to program for!"

Assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

Synonyms include: surmise, guess, premise, hypothesis, etc...

So...is it so hard to admit that you're assuming when you "clearly" stated that you guessing...which is the SAME THING xD

Now do you see why I said this isn't a fair fight...but you know what, it's cool. I don't expect everyone to have a college degree or high school diploma, but before you start name calling...make sure you have your bases covered pal.

[You] "Do you know how typical forums and/or comment sections work? It's laid back typing of which I am not aware or bothered about grammar but only basic spelling and logic. Thanks for pointing it out though."

Your grammar had nothing to do with the oxymoron you put out there. Illogical comments stem from lack of thought. And I understand...you're in a discussion with a guy that you want to prove wrong so badly that you forget to think at times. It's a human condition...xD

[You] "Despite you saying you have a great collection of consoles and a gaming PC, I thought you would have more of a grip and stop defending a specific company, console or platform."

I was thinking the exact same thing about you. See...I actually checked out some of your previous comments and I noticed a trend. A lot of your comments are anti-Playstation/Sony and pro Scorpio/Microsoft but why is that? You're defending a specific company and it's soon to be released console...yet you accuse me of doing the same. Why? What do you have to gain from it all?

Being that I'm a paying customer and has supported both consoles of both companies, I can talk about both products from experience...and yes, I do talk a lot of s*** about MS because of the way they've ran their gaming division this gen. In my opinion, Phil Spencer hasn't done a damn thing to improve the "greatest line up" in Xbox history. It's going on 4 years and I'm still trying to find something to get excited about aside from the norm which is Halo and Gears. My Xbox is collecting dust as we speak. It's sad...but that's my reason. So why has Sony gotten your panties in a bunch?

[You] "You keep forgetting that your original argument is moot because I proved you wrong."

My original comment (before you butted in)...not argument is below.

[Me] "They already ran test on a pc that had the same specs and with most games they had to take a big hit on the graphics to run in 4K. I think next gen is going to be weak sauce too. If they're not 8K capable, I don't want em"

Sooooooo...what did you prove? The PC had a stronger GX card than what's going to be in Scorpio and they still had to dumb down graphics settings for it to run in 4K on nearly every game they had on display. There was even an article where MS admitted that not all Scorpio games will run in Native 4K and that they may be doing some checkerboard rendering as well soooooooo...what are you trying to say?

Furthermore...I don't know why people are shocked by this when MS is using old tech.

Anyway...

[You] "When you spin off a company you split it into it's own entity. The shares and stock have to be divided, so no matter if it is sold to an external company or split and retained under a parent, the stock are diminished so they still lose a great deal of interest and money. I gave you a two year old link because that is when the news came through. How nice it would be to be a time traveller though."

Being that I'm also a shareholder, I'm familiar with the term, but the term was used incorrectly in the article. The TV/Bravia division never spun off. Their computer division did but not TV division.

And that's one thing we can agree on...because I'd love to go back in time and see how certain events played out.

[You] "Spam? No it's called information. It can be viewed if you load the page and press Print screen before the page loads, or are you incapable of using your keyboard to it's full extent?"

Don't insult my intelligence. I'm trying to nice here but you're not making it easy pal xD

[You] "So because they've failed, does that mean they couldn't destroy their business? Nope. Microsoft likes to evolve the market using it's own cash because they can afford to. They tried Kinect which wasn't taken very well. New peeps were brought in when the previous one were kicked out (yup it happened twice (remember the guy that went for Zinga when he left)). Then the new peeps did the same thing and they were also sacked."

You call Kinect "evolving" the market. It was a web cam lol GTFOH!!! They tried to combine what Sony and Nintendo was already doing and failed horribly. Then they FORCED Kinect 2 on early adopters...which is crazy. And that guy has since left Zynga but from what I heard, MS was going to let him go anyway. He was against the new business model that became the old business model they same day it was announced xD

E3 2013...the day that MS doomed their game division xD

[You] "Microsoft makes majority of money from their services-orientated products and not their physical products as I said previously."

You're right. Sony even makes more money off of Xbox One's than Microsoft xD

LMAO!!! Thank goodness for Blu-Ray right?

xD

[You] "Keep changing the subject and I will keep proving you wrong :)"

Actually...you're the one that changed the subject but you have yet to prove anybody wrong...though I've proved you wrong quite a few times already xD

[In Baron Quinn's Voice] "So why all of the hatred towards Sony Sunny? Did it have to do with Henry" xD

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@louixiii: You must have spent a while writing that out, which I think is nice but I haven't read it :)

I came to prove your previous comment, specifically this one, wrong. Which I did with ease:

"Because they know it's bull****. They already ran test on a pc that had the same specs and with most games they had to take a big hit on the graphics to run in 4K."

I managed to achieve this quite easily before you switched the subject to a lack of games in the comment following the one I quoted here :)

I think it's quite amusing how you compared the graphical fidelity, never mind the actual hardware. Just goes to show why you changed the subject. You clearly had no idea what I was talking about :)

Now I expect a MS-hating-esque reply hahaha. Go ahead :)

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@gtxplayer: Not really. I type close to 100 words per minute xD

And I seriously doubt that you didn't read my comment because you pointed out two of my main points...on top of the fact that you replied period because only a idiot replies to comment without reading it. Then again...maybe I'm giving you too much credit xD

I didn't see any grand achievement sir. I think you've mistaken. The RX580 trumps the GX card in Scorpio. 6.1 beats 6 every day of the week so you've proven squat lol

The sad part is..I can't even say that was amused by that senseless babble you call an explanation.

And I don't hate Microsoft, or anything for that matter. You're the one that's filled with hatred towards Sony. Anyone that checks your previous comments can tell you that xD

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@gtxplayer: Of course you don't get it. You'd need a adequate amount of brain cells to do that xD

And I forgot I'm talking to Mr. Oxymoron here lol

[You] "I don't own a console but I did own every console I wanted. I still have my Gameboy, DS and PS1/2 in the attic."

No mention of 360 buddy. I guess you'll magically own a XBO in sec lol

And didn't I tell you that I've own every console since the NES...which includes NeoGeo, 3DO, Turbo Graphic16, Jaguar, Sega CD/32X so take your 300 games and let's multiply that by...ummmmmm...let's just say 5 for now (but I know there's more than that)...so what do you get?

Once again...this isn't a fair fight xD

[You] "The point here is that the PC GPU and CPU are not stronger because they don't have half of the deep level features and "to the metal" programming tools and common practices."

You sound like all of those little fanboys screaming "the console version is better than the PC version" when anyone with a shred of common sense knows better lol

But he says I'm the one with the screws loose xD

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMgosh...you'd make great court jester xD

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@louixiii: "Yet your dumb ass is on a the site that allowed the article to published" What is your point here? I don't care :]

I never owned a 360? Wrong, Again! Probably far more Games than you ever will. Over 300 :]

Is that because you have nothing to counter the argument. The point here is that the PC GPU and CPU are not stronger because they don't have half of the deep level features and "to the metal" programming tools and common practices. If this wasn't the case, the proof I gave you concerning BF4 specs wouldn't be there would it?

Definitely a few screws loose!

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[You] "Thanks for again, comparing specs between a console and PC. You're just as dumb as those who made the article."

Yet your dumb ass is on a the site that allowed the article to published AND you're going back and forth with a person that you call dumb so that makes you what...an nincompoop xD

Next...you give me this loooooooooong spiel about the 360...a console you never owned...and try to apply it to a discussion that I'VE layed to rest about 8 replies ago in an attempt to prove moot point which is ridiculous...and a bit pathetic :(

If you put a PC that has a stronger and faster GPU AND CPU against a console that has a weaker GPU and CPU...common sense will tell you that the PC will win hands down. I mean...it's common sense lol

With that being said...I'm not going to say that you're coo coo for cocoa puffs but......you might be in love with the cocoa xD

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@louixiii: Thanks for again, comparing specs between a console and PC. You're just as dumb as those who made the article. You can read many points on the internet about how you can't compare a PC to a console of the same specs, because for 1:

Everything in a console is custom. Infact, you probably don't understand half of the custom entities on their GPU. PC parts simply don't describe with as much importance the exact details, on the shelf, because they simply aren't needed for the average consumer.

Just to show you how wrong you are, here are the requirements for BF4s minimum spec vs the X360:

Windows Xbox 360

OS: Vista 32-bit (around 10 Years old ) || Windows 2000 (Now 17 Years Old)

CPU: Athlon X2 2.8GHz / Core Duo 2.4GHz || Xenon 3.2GHz (Outdate architecture)

GPU: HD 3870 (AMD) / 8800 GT (NV) || Xenos (X1800 XL derivative)

RAM: 4GB =/= 4096MB || 512MB GDDR3 @ 700MHz

Other:

Xbox 360 supports only a "Super set" of DX9 components and ShaderModel 3.0+. 3870 supports full DX9 10.1 and SM 4.1!

GPU Analysis:

From the GPU, benchmarks for the X1800 XL couldn't be found but a comparison between the X1800 GTO and X1800 XL could be found, along with benchmarks for the X1800 GTO. We can see the GTO supersedes the XL by quite a lot (SPUs and Mem Bandwidth). So from this, we can know the PassMark score for the X1800 GTO found here is probably 60% more powerful than the 1800XL. We would then cut the score to the represented percentage to around 56.4. The HD 3870 can be found here (729). You can see the silly difference which isn't even comparable. The Xenos only has 240 GLOPS where the 3870 has 497.3 for Single Precision FP format.

So, I think at this point, it would be safe to come to the conclusion that this X360 wouldn't run BF4 at all right? You directly compared the numbers and after number-crunching everything, we can see that the minimum spec of the PC version blows the X360 version out of the water right? But what's this? X360 did run BF4? How you ask? Simple:

You cannot compare a PC to a console. A console of the same spec (or even half the spec in this case) blows it out of the water! Who knew!

"...but it will not be able to run games in ultra high or even high settings without taking a hit in comparison to a high end PCs version of a game"

Already proved you wrong in my previous point with the settings. The version IS the PC PORT. Here is the link. Here is the quote: "In fact, the team can push ForzaTech to the equivalent of PC's ultra-level settings and we're still sitting at 88 per cent GPU utilisation".

Instead of babbling numbers, actually learn what they mean along with hardware features and the rest of it. Posting it is the easy part. Understanding it is the more challenging part, but not rocket science.

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@gtxplayer: ummmmm...ok lol

I suggest you read that article again. Hopefully...by the time you're done, some common sense will kick in and you'll realize how silly you sound.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-how-a-pc-with-xbox-scorpio-specs-performs/1100-6449878/

Takeaways from the article...

GPU:

"Project Scorpio uses a six teraflop GPU based on AMD’s Polaris architecture. Considering AMD’s recently released Radeon RX 580 is a 6.1 teraflop graphics card that’s also based on Polaris, we think it’s a great fit for our build here. These GPUs aren’t exactly the same, mind you. Project’s Scorpio uses an integrated graphics solution that offers 2569 shaders, which is more than the RX 580’s equivalent 2304, but the RX 580 has a higher 1257MHz core clock, and tops the console’s 1172MHz speed."

CPU:

"The FX-8350 4GHz core clock speed does make it faster than Project Scorpio’s 2.3GHz frequency"

So...they used a faster GPU AND CPU than what's coming with Scorpio...yet you want to continue to argue a moot point xD

And I never said that Scorpio will not be able to run games in 4K...because if that was the case it wouldn't be coming to the market...but it will not be able to run games in ultra high or even high settings without taking a hit in comparison to a high end PCs version of a game. That's a fact pal...numbers don't lie.

Soooooo...do you believe in unicorns and leprechauns too?

xD

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@louixiii: You must be really pleased with yourself. Maybe you should ring up Guinness World Records :]

I didn't point out anything other than what was related to the comment I quoted.

If you're looking for a grand achievement when comparing 6.1 and 6.0, you're looking in the wrong place. You're also looking in the wrong place if you are trying to compare a console to a PC. I'm sure I could elect the whole PC gaming scene to teach you on how you can't simply compare different technologies and/or features, but you would not listen :]

You're simply implying that Scorpio would not be able to run games at 4K without taking a hit to graphics because the PC contender could not also stating that "RX580 trumps the GX card in Scorpio". You have to be extremely simple minded to think this will be the case. Also, because people seem to throw TFLOPs around a lot does not mean you can compare that to a console either. It's still apples and oranges. Quite laughable but an enjoyable read.

So, what we can learn from the analysis by Digital Foundry is this:

> Forza 6 runs on Scorpio at 4K@60fps with 4K assets with only 60-70% GPU utilisation. We're talking about a Port here, not from scratch, so it's not fully utilising the platform. The difference between 1080p assets and 4K assets was a mere 1% performance difference. I'm sure the 580 couldn't achieve that.

> On Forza 6 Ultra settings, they achieve 88% GPU utilisation from the same Port. The port took 2 days which is a clear indicator by any ports from console to console, that it was done for speed and not performance. They note plenty of overhead from the port of the engine.

> The RX580 does not have its own "Power Profile" when it rolls of the manufacturing line. Every Scorpio does. The RX 580 does not have DX12 baked onto the GPU either. What we're talking here is "to the metal" programming and efficiency. RX 580 has none of it :D

I'd like to see RX580 hit that. Oh wait, it can't, but apparently it still trumps the Scorpio AHAHAHA.

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@louixiii: it wasn't to the same spec at all, they used the RX 580 because it had 6.1TFlops, however the 580 gets no where near the same performance as the scorpio's GPU, which according to Digital foundry lies somewhere in between the GTX 1070 &1080 for its performance, on the CPU front it can do twice as many tasks 31% faster than the xbox one s can, there isn't a pc spec that has a direct comparison to the scorpio, meaning gamespots pc build was total trash for benchmarking against.

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@eternalrogue198:
I don't want people to read this and take it the wrong way, i'm all for making 4k the next thing, but i would rather have 1080 at 144 hz or even 240, (yes you can see 240 hz). If they where to say that Call of Duty ww2 runs at 4k 60hz, Then it should be able to run at 240 at 1080p right, shoot i would take 144 at 1440p and be so happy. I'm really sick of 60 FPS and people on consoles thinking they can't see any higher. That's the main reason i want Windows 10 to become Xbox, so i can get my FPS that i want to play at.

And to the people who think i'm talking about 240 FPS fake TVs, i'm talking real 240 hz monitors.

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@eternalrogue198: Stop spreading lies.

"Project Scorpio uses a six teraflop GPU based on AMD’s Polaris architecture. Considering AMD’s recently released Radeon RX 580 is a 6.1 teraflop graphics card that’s also based on Polaris, we think it’s a great fit for our build here."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/heres-how-a-pc-with-xbox-scorpio-specs-performs/1100-6449878/

The RX 580 boost more teraflops than a Scorpio so what they used was actually a bit more powerful. And even if it was weaker, how could even come out of the mouth saying something like "580 gets no where near the same performance as the scorpio's GPU" with a straight face?

What's sadder is that other people actually believed that dumbs***...smdh

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@louixiii: does the rx 580 get anywhere near the same performance as the GTX 1070? the answer to that is a big fat no!!! scorpio's GPU matches a 1070 at least when it comes to performance, RX580 might match it spec wise but it doesn't match it performance wise, i'm not spreading lies, however gamestop are!! digital foundry are the tech experts they know a hell of a lot more than gamespot, they have already proven it can match a 1070, here watch the links,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYfj0Ah0SfI&t=8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AiQlu7h5C4&t=809s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTmWDhSHC4&t=437s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE2hNrq1Zxs&t=75s

all the info is right there in those 4 videos, that completely disprove that the pc gamespot builds matches scorpio for performance.

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@eternalrogue198: 6.1TF v 6TF...

That s*** isn't rocket science lol

numbers don't lie...

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@louixiii: also you didnt't answer my question, does the RX580 get anywhere near the same performance as the GTX1070? thats right you cant answer that because it validates what im telling you!!

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@louixiii: it doesn't work like that you muppet, the Tflops are not an accurate representation of the total power and performance, a 6TFlop card can out perform cards with more TFlops, the fact that you think 6.1 vs 6 means the higher number is better means you know nothing about pc or console components, for instance 6TFlops in a console will out perform 6TFlops on a pc, the experts are saying the same as what ive told you, so that means only one thing, your wrong!!!

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@eternalrogue198: You wish I was wrong you Boxtroll. More horse power means horse power. Consoles today are nothing more than PCs that can't be upgraded. Truth be known, the RX580 is more powerful than what's going inside of Scorpio. That's a fact Alice...but you can continue to live in Wonderland if you want. Tell the Mad Hatter I said hi...now don't be late lol

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@louixiii: total raw power does not dictate total usable power or total performance, again your wrong, the RX580 has 36 compute units running 1257MHz giving it a grand total of 45,252MHz of raw power, the scorpio on the other hand has a grand total of 44 Compute units 4 of which are turned of because their for developer use, so it has 40 compute units running at a slightly slower speed of 1172MHz per compute unit giving it a grand total of 46,880MHz of raw power, would you look at that, scorpio has more raw power than the RX580, ile say it again you know absolutely **** all about how pc and console components work, your right its not rocket science but in your case it might as well be!!!

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@eternalrogue198: In layman terms... you're say that "just because the PC had a stronger graphics card, it doesn't it's going to be more powerful than Scorpio" xD

Meanwhile...everyone else is looking like...

"Is he serious? I mean...how many episodes of Muppet Babies did he watch because he has A WILD imagination" lol

You sound like those Xbox fanboys that used to say "just because it can do 1080p doesn't mean it's more powerful" xD

Hilarious!!!

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@louixiii: retard!! you clearly are one dumb ****, i mean seriously i have backed up what ive said with proof, all you have done is talk shit!!! did digital foundry say that the scorpio GPU is on par with the GTX 1070 OR NOT? the answer is yes they DID!! right there in those 2 videos that i linked which you have clearly not watched, the scorpio GPU is stronger than the RX 580, FACT!!! and ive proven that, now go away you retarded little twat!!!

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@eternalrogue198: Flattery will get you nowhere numskull xD

6.1 v 6...do the math fanboy. 1+1=2, not 3 lol

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@louixiii: OMG!!! its not as simple as 6.1 vs 6 you muppet the RX 580 has less CU'S and less overall RAW power, the GTX Titan X features seven teraflops, but performs worse than the GTX 1070 in most instances which has 6.5 teraflops, There are many other factors to consider, such as GPU architecture, core speed, frame buffer size and speed, actually go learn something.

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@eternalrogue198: OMgosh...you're b****ing lol I'm sorry that 6.1 beats 6. I didn't make the numeric system, but no matter how you say, 6.1 will always be the greater number.

Did you graduate?

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@louixiii: Moron, i'm not saying 6.1 isn't a greater number than 6, i'm saying that 6.1 has less performance than the 6, but if you want to go on greater numbers, then look, that 6.1 has 36 Compute Units, the 6 has 40 Compute Units, the 6.1 has a total of 45,252MHz in RAW power in those 36 Compute Units, the 6 has a total of 46,880MHz of RAW power in those 40 Compute Units, the 6.1 has a Memory bandwidth of 256 GB/s, the 6 has a Memory bandwidth of 326 GB/s, on top of that the 6 has better power consumtion using only 145W vs the 6.1 using 150W ( the lower the number the better), scorpio's GPU beats the RX580 across the board with the exception of the RX580 having marginally faster clock speeds on the Compute Units, i'm done, your just trolling, i'm right, your wrong, FACT!!! end of!! i wont be responding again.

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@eternalrogue198: Once again...A MORE POWERFUL GRAPHICS CARD IS NOT LESS POWERFUL THAN A WEAKER GX CARD. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL YOU MICROSOFT LACKEY!!!

6.1TFs is GREATER than 6TFs meaning MORE...POWER!!!

Once again...did you graduate?

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...but by how much? And of what games?

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@girlusocrazy: all 1st party will be 4k 60fps and im sure the majority of 3rd party will show the improvements that scorpio can provide.

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@sodapoppimpski: 1st party for sure but if you look at the kind of updates you're seeing for Pro that's about what will happen for Scorpio but with an extra 10% that only DigitalFoundry nerds will care about

HDTVs just now hit 81% and 4k TVs are on track for 35% in 2019, I think next gen will be when they really focus on exploiting higher power consoles, so many gamers just have 1080p sets and vanilla PS4/X1

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@girlusocrazy: i guess its about all multiplattform games

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@sladakrobot: So for a preview look at third party PS4 Pro enhancements and slightly more of that basically

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@girlusocrazy: the question will be how much devs will invest in upgrading the ps4pro version and the same for the Scorpio.

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lol

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MS should really focus on their games if they wanna sell more. lol

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