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Xbox Exec Clarifies Comments About DLC Exclusivity and More

"Paying marketing funds so another console's base can't play a piece of content doesn't feel like growth."

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Xbox executive Phil Spencer has spoken out to clarify some comments he made earlier about how the video game industry can grow in the future.

In 2015, Spencer said he wanted that year's E3 show to focus more on Microsoft's own franchises and expanding them. Asked on Twitter recently if this is still Microsoft's directive, Spencer said it is. He cited things like EA Access, Fallout mods, the Game Preview program, and cross-play between Xbox One and PC that are things that "move gaming forward," and in some cases are only available on Xbox.

"Our [first-party] IP should do the same," Spencer said, referencing efforts that push gaming forward.

He went on to say the continued support for Halo 5, particularly its Forge mode, is an example of Microsoft continuing to invest in and grow its own franchises.

As for what Spencer doesn't want to do, he said, "Paying marketing funds so another console's base can't play a piece of content doesn't feel like growth."

This might sound like a dig at Sony's timed-exclusivity deal with Activision for Call of Duty and Destiny DLC, but Spencer doesn't see it that way. "People getting worked up on this," he said when someone suggested he was being hypocritical. "Never said Xbox has never done this, not calling out others, just not practice I like, that's it."

Microsoft has its own co-marketing deals, too, one of which is with Ubisoft for The Division DLC.

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Spencer is a forgetful person, retarded sometimes. remember the most recent exclusive deals with capcom? You know, dead rising 4?

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@sakaixx: An exclusive game isn't the same as DLC. Also I'm 90% sure MS own the Dead Rising IP. Or have a long time publishing deal.

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@kanekan-slaugh: I really dont want to call you retarded. Please do some research first.

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@sakaixx: I could say the same thing with you acting like twat here and all. And yes MS has a publishing deal with them.

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@kanekan-slaugh: please indulge me on how dlc and timed exclusive is different. Both block other parties to access the game for a while my good person. You can make an essay about it too.

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@sakaixx: I just diiiiiiiiiiid

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@sakaixx: he isnt forgetfull,you just need to read the article before posting...in fact does admit that they did it but its a practice he doesnt like.

Read the article again

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@sladakrobot: Isn't it funny how the Sony base are whinging about paying for "exclusives". Yet Sony has been buying up exclusives left, right and center for years and they say nothing. And they think Spencer is a hypocrite. Better take a good look at themselves first.

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@helixt: buying up exclusives??? Such as?

Show a single shred of a document that was a contract for a game to be wxclusuve to sony in exchange for money....

Yeah.....

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@Mirimon78: SF franchise. That being a multiplat game for decades.

Yeah.........

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@helixt: still is, unless pc doesn’t count for some reason you made up..

So no poof then eh?

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@Mirimon78: Having it on two platforms counts as it being multiplat now?. Ofc you made that one up...bro you're shifiting the goal posts here.

And you think I have access to companies financial records?. Whatever deals where done, where done behind closed doors. The fact it's on a single console says it all.

Edit: Why else did i say multiplat. And what makes you think I excluded the PC?.

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@helixt: go ahead, look up the definition of the prefix "multi"...( fyi, it means more than one, ergo by the actual definition of the term it is on multiple platforms no matter how much you want it otherwise to fit your delusional argument). No need for me to shift anything, it is what it is and hasn't changed.

Also, lol, because a thing is, is itself not supporting evidence for your "theory" ( I use this term loosely) of why it is, thats just poor logic.

And yes, you excluded pc when you complained of sf being a multiplat franchise which is now "exclusive" to two platforms as though two no longer meant multi...

Perhaps you'll choose better words to argue about next time?

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@Mirimon78: Wow a delusional argument if I've ever read one. With so called "lessons" on etymology to boot.

No you are shifiting it. Contextualise the argument that I stated, SF has been on more than just two platforms - for years, that is a fact. That is the modern interpretation of the word multi; more than two. To use your words "it is what it is and hasn't changed" no matter how hard you try to justify it or fit in to your delusional argument.

Since you want to get smart lets look at the prefix; two. There are other words that can be used if talking about having only two things. Both, dual, biliateral are words straight off my head. So don't even go there about poor use of words.

"Also, lol, because a thing is, is itself not supporting evidence for your "theory" ( I use this term loosely) of why it is, thats just poor logic."

Whatever the hell this is, I have no idea what it even translates to. Evidently you're trying to be smart about something. Which is what makes it amusing.

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@helixt: nothing to shift, it is the very definition of multi-playform, get over it.

As to the meaning of that statement: no, the result is not evidence of your suggested cause. This for of false logic is sometimes known as "affirming the consequent", among other names. Though, this isn't the only fallacy you tend to use, but that is for another lesson.

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@Mirimon78: Keep believe in that if you like, since it makes you feel better. Squabbling over the definition won't get us anywhere. Period.

Oh goody, let's throw out fallacious argumentative terms to make your arguments sound "superior" (even if it is illogical). Let's spot the next one in "my fallacious arguments"; I know!!! denying the antecedent??? amirite, bro?.

Nice to know you haven't changed bro. Hope you had a nice new year too.

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@helixt: so a whole post of ignorance? Ignoring or even making your own definitions to words.. that is some severe goal post shifting right there.

If you can't even understand nor respect the definition of words in the language you intend to argue in then you have no hope nor position to argue from. When even a simple word, such as "or" is beyond your comprehension then you have lost before you even speak.

Why would I use terms simply for the desire to sound superior in an argument such as this? My argument is inherently superior, using facts, while yours is inherently inferior having used naught but fallacies, slander, and ignorance. I need no cool points for sounding good.

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@Mirimon78: Sure keep beliving your argument is superior. If it makes you feel better.

Then by your standard, logic and by your definition the author over here has a; fallacies, slanderious, ignorant claim.

http://techterms.com/definition/multiplatform

"In the consumer gaming market, multiplatform games run on more than one gaming machine. For example, a sports game developed for Xbox, Playstation, GameCube, and PC would be a multiplatform game."

Take a look at the number of platforms he lists. And then take a look what word is emphaised "more" in your case "or". There is no number succeding it there after. Your words "it means more than one".

By ergo if you believe 2 is multiplat; you're not wrong. I believe more than 2 makes a multiplat then I'm not wrong either. Key word here is more. It's not the definition that's the issue on hand, it's how we percieve or interepret it - as I've stated earlier. Natrually we want it to fit our narrative as well. But you have a problem with that. Since you take words & meanings far too litterally. That's your problem - not mine.

The rest of that comment of yours - talking out of your arse. I tried being nice to you. My gain, your loss. Do you care, nope. I sure as hell don't. And you don't sound cool either. And with that I'm done *walks off coolly*.

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@helixt: kid, you were essentially saying that less than 3 makes it not multi platform, that somehow you yourself can change the definition of a word and its ok when the definition, as is used by the entirety of the rest if the English speaking world is more than one, NOT more than two.

Your statement inherently excludes a platform, which would be false. Math and logic go together well, I would tell you to use that and see the issue, but now that I see you don't understand what definition means I doubt you would also understand basic maths.

Now come back again to try and backpeddle and respin your web of lies.

Fyi, words ARE LITERAL....if you mean to say a thing, use the right word, otherwise you wont be understood, you will look like a moron, and continue to lose arguments. There is no interpretation of a definition, a definition is clear, because it is finite, it holds all that a thing is and nothing else, no maybes, no what if, no possibly... a definition defines a thing, not makes it more vague. You don't even understand the definition of the word definition???

/facepalm

Tell your parenta to stop what they are doing and hire a tutor, immediatly, and ban you from speaking to the outside world until you are educated enough to understand the words you want to use.

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@helixt: totally agree.

You know...2 years back some head of Sony said,after he was asked about the timed exclusivity of Tomb Raider,that Sony wouldnt do such things..,just few months later Sony bought SF5 and excluded any other console of having it.

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@sladakrobot: sony doesn't own sf5... at all.... they didn't even publish it ..

According to Capcom, the game was a PlayStation 4 console exclusive as both Sony and Capcom had "the same vision for the growth potential in the fighting game space".

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@Mirimon78: Sony funded the game at cost of 100% exclusivity...simple

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@sladakrobot: says who?, not either capcom nor sony have said such.

But, if you tend to believe rumors ( it seems that is all you believe in and operate on) then sure. Capcom was short funds and resources, Sony was able to offer capcom what they needed and both company interests were aligned, allowing the game to be published to sony's ps4 and msft's windows which make sense because those two playforms have the best potential for immediate revenue.

And its not 100% exclusive, heck, it has cross play with pc...

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@Mirimon78: that is why i said they excluded all other consoles

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@sladakrobot: xbox isn't excluded for that, they are excluded because of msft's cross play policy.

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@Mirimon78: you mean the policy where MS asks Sony to do crossplay?

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@sladakrobot: no, the one where they ask everybody to be on msft servers, to drum up business for them and put the games under their control.. rather than how it has been for the 2 generations prior, open.

Msft was asked to join in on open and fair cross play but denied it, now they are willing to play, but only if they hold the reigns.

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@Mirimon78: which online game is under MS control?

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@Mirimon78: It has been said Sony funded Street Fighter 5. If you truly believe that corporate talk of "We like each other so we made it exclusive for the lolz" then there's no helping you.

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@kanekan-slaugh: can't read well can you?

Much "has been said", if the truth is among it is a different matter all together. We do know more than simply loaning money in a time of need was done, such as loaned manpower and tools to name a couple of examples.

This is again strait from Capcom: "According to Capcom, the game was a PlayStation 4 console exclusive as both Sony and Capcom had "the same vision for the growth potential in the fighting game space"".

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@Mirimon78: 1. Yes I can read well, understand this: your argument (or lack thereof) doesn't gain any credibility by questioning anothers ability to read.

2. Not only been said but confirmed. I'm not talking rumours. Spencer even commented on it. The real story is that Capcom wanted money from both MS and Sony to be invested in the game. MS said no, Sony said yes. Capcom being Capcom decided to make it exclusive mainly from that AND sony actually helped with development (admittedly that last part I'm not sure of)

3. You are truly naive if you believe corporate talk from ANY company. Though I believe you're just feigning ignorance.

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@kanekan-slaugh: hold on.. you are trying to say that what the companies who are involved (sony and capcom) are telling lies, and that spencer, having NOTHING to do with sf5 nor would he be privy to any dealings or contracts concerning its development is contradicting them???

Seems you still didn’t read..

Go on then, show proof of this money hat conspiracy.. you have contacts and account statements right? Does spencer? (Spencer btw isn't talking about sf5, he was talking about his own deals that he claims he didn't want to be a part of.. the deals with such a long history there they might as well be msft tradition.... )

Gtfoh..

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@Mirimon78: 1. Corporations not being honest with people, wow. shocker. It's a business deal, nothing more. Hell no it's not a conspiracy. Jesus, you people always exaggerating things.

2. Once again you're argument doesn't gain any ability from questioning whether or not I can read.

3. when I said that Phil commented on the Street fighter dealing I wasn't referring to this article. look it up there's google. Phil said something among the lines of "I prefer to invest in our exclusives" when he was asked to comment about Street fighter 5 exclusivity.

4. No I don't have any account statements. Funny that. private things are private. You have to be an idiot to believe that capcom would decide to make something exclusive for the lolz though.

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@kanekan-slaugh: so you are saying a person, who would not e privilaged to as you said, private information, knows more than the people making the game?

That's what you are saying...

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@Mirimon78: No, read this stuff on your own. Use your brain. That's not what I'm saying at all. By the way detracting from the argument isn't getting anyone anywhere.

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@kanekan-slaugh: no, that's what you said in a poor attempt to support your claim..which is why it fell apart.

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@Mirimon78: Don't put words in my mouth. This is basic level crap.

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@kanekan-slaugh: lol, they are your own words....

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@Mirimon78: *facepalm* no they're not.

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@kanekan-slaugh: listen, your words (para)

1. Sony paid for sf5, thats all they did

2. Capcom (despite needing money) turned down msft???

3. These companies are faceless liars, not to be trusted, so what they said about the development of sf5 cant be trusted, even from the company that made it....

4. Phil spencer, NOT part of capcom or the sf5 dev team, knows more, has said more, and is the one to beleive about sf5 (inspite of him representing one of those untrustworthy companies, and having absolutely NOTHING to to with sf5 nor would he be privy to any of the contracts, deals, or development of sf5 outside what capcom has already told the public).

Not only did you drum up some wacko conspiracy about msft funding being turned down, but you are clearly saying that phil, and as a proxy of msft, knows more about something that IS NOT his business than those whose business it is.... that or you have an issue phtting to words what you mean to say and fucked all of that up.

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@kanekan-slaugh: backyrack? Lol, nothing I have posted has changed, are you that batshit stupid/crazy??

Oh, you got me, haha, nice troll kid.

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@Mirimon78: lol. If you're going to backtrack your argument at least edit your previous comments to reflect it. You're acting like a woman that knows she's lost an argument so you say some stuff to try and trigger me to get me angry so arguments all about me being angry and nothing else. You've contradicted yourself already. It's embarrassing at this point. Stop it.

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@kanekan-slaugh: now you are annoyed to have been proven wrong, and annoyed you have failed to admit it? Ok, I suppose that's the best I'll get from you.

I know you are likely out of school due to snow, but do yoursekf a favor and open a book or something, just because you aren't in school doesn't mean its too late or that you can't learn, clearly there is much more for you to learn.

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@Mirimon78: Wow, I'm still getting notifications from a hypocrite that doesn't know when to quit it. Stop trying, really. No my pride isn't damaged if anything I'm annoyed I have to deal with someone who's got a small memory span.

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@kanekan-slaugh: seems you lost the argument with yourself, no matter how hard you tried to pull something confusing over my eyes to cover up your damaged pride, what you said cannot be unsaid.. realize that and simply man up and own your mistake, or be petulant and declare yourself the internet winner no matter how wrong you are.

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@Mirimon78: God this is so childish. "no you are twisting your words" "no you are" "no you are" is that what you want? You still have lost the argument. Stop replying.

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@kanekan-slaugh: lol, you are now twisting your own words...wait, is this really Trump???

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@Mirimon78: No you read that wrong.

1. Yeah that's what I've trying to say. God, stop twisting it. I said they paid for SF5 you said they didn't and they made it exclusive for the lolz. Now you're twisting things to make it look like you were right.

2. No, still not what I said. That's not how it works. Capcom went to both Sony and MS asking for an investment in their game. (it's common) Sony said yes. MS said no. Capcom being salty then made it exclusive to sony. So no MS denied capcom not the other way around.

3. THAT'S WHAT I SAID

4. Nooooooooo, reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy???? I never knew the head of xbox wasn't part of capcom *gasp* *shock* (SARCASM)

5. You're the one believing in conspiracies and crap I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

6. Save it. You're not fooling me. Don't reply. Ever.

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@sladakrobot: so in other words, spencer is a hypocrite.

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@sakaixx: learn to read boy!!!

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@slayer0066: please guide me.

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@sakaixx: no,he is a human like you and me who work for a company and have to accept certain things which are not under your or my control

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@sladakrobot: Gamers do have the power over the gaming industries. Vote with your wallets. But even then, that's now a Myth.

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@davillain-: well,i vote with my wallet and by almost only GOTY games

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@sladakrobot: spencer is the head now, and dead rising 4 is timed exclusive to xbone. He does it and then complaint it was wrong. Human or work, that is a hypocrite right there.

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@sakaixx: the article is about exclusive dlcs...not about timed exclusive games

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@sladakrobot: ....and? Can't see what's different about it. They are still paying for that exclusivity.

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@sakaixx: and we are again at beginning.

Cant you understand that there things beyond his control?

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@sladakrobot: I get that you are trying to say he had to do it due to business.. But just why are you trying to differentiate? They are paying for exclusive content on their platform, no matter timed or dlc. Its the same practice.

Also spencer is a hypocrite.

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@sakaixx: Spencer isn't talking about games. Exclusives games drive sales. No sh** do they get them just like Sunset Overdrive, bloodborne, (insert any 3rd party exclusive here)

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@kanekan-slaugh: please elaborate further how its different and how than can make spencer less of a hypocrite. Indulge me

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@sakaixx: If you're smart enough to open a computer and comment on a page. You should be smart enough to figure this stuff on you're own.

But I'll indulge you. DLC's aka Downloadable content, are additions (these days barely though) to games. What Spencer is talking is DLC exclusivity. Meaning both PS4 and Xbox one have a game. but one of them can't get a piece of DLC. what this does to fans of the game owning the other console is alienate them. Now when it comes to exclusive games that's a different matter entirely. An exclusive game as in never on the other console doesn't have fans on the other console meaning it's not as annoying.

Even if it wasn't Spencer still isn't a hypocrite. let me quote the bottom of the article "People getting worked up on this," he said when someone suggested he was being hypocritical. "Never said Xbox has never done this, not calling out others, just not practice I like, that's it."

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@kanekan-slaugh: lol this why you should always do your research first before ever replying. did you know that dead rising 4 is "timed exclusive". Which also meant alienating the userbase for a time. No different than dlcs which also alienating the userbase. There is absolutely no different in the practice.

Spencer is the head, he is in charge. yet he continues to do the same thing he despise. That is a hypocrite no matter how you see it.

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@sakaixx: You also need to do research. Microsoft is the publisher. THE PUBLISHER. Meaning making it a timed exclusive is their decision. Don't friggin know why Spencer would do that. It's still not the same because it's a full game not a piece of DLC. Full games drive console sales, DLC drives people mad.

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@kanekan-slaugh: LOL at this. You should really look at yourself why the heck you even wrote that!

I'm screenshotting this before you edit the stuff. Laughing my arse for reading this!

FYI retard, there is no other reason for dlc or games to be exclusive. Other than to drive sales for the console. My god can't believe I even replied to this.

@sladakrobot - lol look at this

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@sakaixx: I don't edit my comment unless I make an actual mistake. Even then I write down that I edited something.

FYI I know Exclusivity drives sales that's what I've been saying. No idea what the hell is wrong with you.

No seriously what's wrong with you. This argument was on something else. like Spencer not being a hypocrite.

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@sakaixx: By that standard this makes the PS owners even bigger hypocrites. If you're whinging about exclusives - whether it is timed, dlc or full games done by third party devs then Sony are the biggest culprits in pushing the exclusive envelope - I don't hear any out rage against it. At all. Not only did the fan base support this pratice last gen but actually agree with it this gen. Because Sony are doing it now. Is it because Sony / Shuhei didn't do it first?.

Also Dead Rising 4. Seriously?. Really?. SF franchise has been a multiplat game for decades, what did Sony do. Buy it up and made it in to an exclusive on their platform. And just like the Sony contingent, if it goes with your narrative. You agree and say nothing. Whilst bashing the "exclusive" over everyones head.

I'd be very careful on how you use the word hypocrite. Because a portion of the Sony fanbase are known to be the biggest ones.

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@helixt: paying for exclusivity=/= the devs and publishers making it exclusive for other reasons,,

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@helixt: you have a misconception here. Also bad reading skills. I dont speak for sony fanbase.

Anyhow I am not against exclusivity or anything, just calling out spencer for being a hypocrite due to him doing exclusivity and not liking it. Soooo, get it?

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@sakaixx: no he is not. He said pretty early that he doesnt want to practice exclusive deals like in the X360 era and he kept his word?

You see very few exclusive deals

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@sladakrobot: cuphead, inside as the latest example... Hmmm spencer is not a very trustworthy guy it seems.

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@sakaixx: more trustworthy than anyone at Sony

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@sladakrobot: "more trustworthy than anyone at Sony"

I'm sorry but that's a pretty ignorant statement, you don't know everyone at Sony so you can't say for sure who is or is not trustworthy. As for Phil it sounds like he is a hypocrite regardless of whether he wanted to be or not so really no point in trying to defend him.

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@sladakrobot: that one is true!

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What I don't get is that MS started this last gen. However this practise is carried over and continued on by the Sony fanbase this gen. Hardly any room to say anything the Sony base has.

On other note - MS really should boot up some other IPs that they own and haven't used in a long time, I mean it would be perfect if they did that. But of course them IPs have gone dark for a long time.

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@helixt: They are staarting to reeboot and claim new IP's but things take time.

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@helixt: So what you're trying to say is that you suck at reading?

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@jmichura: So what you're saying is... you suck at reading and understanding.

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@helixt: Nope, it's just you being a complete moron.

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@jmichura: sure sure. Keep believing that if it makes you feel better.

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How about rise of tomb raider?

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If its a practice you dont like then dont do it. Theres only what 2 companies that do it (sony microsoft)? So i mean one of you has to step up.....

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you know whats worse? pre order exclusives, day one dlc and store exclusives. gimme the full game at launch or kindly go shoot yourself

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For those who still don't get it:

Sony pay $$ so Xbox players get less content for the SAME amount of money at the time of purchase (or forever).

Examples: Destiny, Hitman.

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@TashunkoSapa: xbox does the same, people forget easily lol

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@TashunkoSapa: And MS does the same thing. I mean hell, look at last gen as a prime example of it which more likely sparked Sony to go even more aggressive this console cycle.

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Pointing out a 2 week wait to be enjoying same content thats on other system is NOT same thing. Its a 2 week wait. Destiny is one to one and half years of wait. Theres a relativity that needs to be considered there. Tomb raider wouldve been a much better example bc it was 6 to 8 months. A wait which i can understand and put some sympathy behind.

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@bandcelks00024: Tomb Raider was published by MS (which means funded), Phil Spencer mentions this. Without their money the game would never have happened.

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