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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Perhaps for some of them, but even then if you're willing to pay that much why not put in a little bit extra and get something that could also do a tonne of other things? I dunno, I just don't think it seems viable for a larger audience...I guess consumers will decide in the long run though.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> That's the thing though. All these are already incredibly popular and everyone already has a machine that can play them. And most have at least one copy of several of those games. Pretty sure I've gifted at least 5 copies of TL2 to people over the last couple years.

These are not the kinds of games that will make your average gamer buy one of these things. They're just not.

You need COD, FIFA, all of that shit. Not Dayz and chivalry if you're trying to make a dent in the market..

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It's not the kind of game that drives sales of a new platform though.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Yeah right. I've played Torchlight 2, it is just a watered down version of Diablo, with cute graphics.

Watch Dogs on the other hand actually looks fun, and has a good level of story, and won't just be me and my pet running through fog of war for hours on end.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> You're still pretending a ton of really popular RTS and FPS games do not exist to make your case that console exclusives are superior. How about Chivalry, Red Orchestra 2 and DayZ standalone? IF you're going to pretend that you're a PC gamer yourself then you know the popularity of these game and how impossible they'd be on a console.

Watch Dogs is some generic AAA game with identical design to Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 3. Why? Because AAA games cannot take risks and hence cannot innovate.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Yeah, those are the titles that will make people chose one of these instead of an xbox. Screw watch dogs, it's all about torchlight 2.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Terraria isn't an exclusive :)

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Yeah unless you want an Ouya with PC levels of performance.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Problem is if there's no market the big publically traded publishers like activision, EA and ubi won't port, and if those guys don't port there won't be a market.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Sure, I've got something like 300 hours in CK2 so far. I don't think it's really the thing to compete with consoles though.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>As far as I know the amd fx8450 an octa core processor is only just as powerful as an intel i5 processor of the same cost.There's still not much clarity on the information regarding the advantages of having an 8core processor.Most do claim an octa core is more suitable for games ported from the consoles.But I suggest that you do some research if you are willing to do it.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>I laughed hard with his last message wanted to go in more with what he said about pc hardware strain and stuff but refrained as its pointless. I mean my comp ran 4ghz for 4 years on air and is still kicking a$$, people will do anything to justify their purchases.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I'm sorry but you have no clue what you're talking about. Stop pretending you know anything about hardware.

And no - an 8 core CPU is not particularly expensive. If anything, its cheaper than a lot of 4-core CPUs. You can take a guess as to why.

example: I have an i5 3570k cpu which is a quad-core. That CPU is better in gaming than its AMD 8 core equivalent FX-8350. Why? Because no games utilize more than 2 cores and the i5 3570k, despite being a few years old, is miles bettter than the PS4/X1 CPU's. It blows them out of the water.

Stop talking out of your ass.

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And give me one game in the world that used 8 cores? (correction:5) even latest games on ps4 and x1 don't use that much proven by the PC ports running better in graphics and speed and on quad cores.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Errrr i3 is dual core i5 is quad which is the recommended proc for gaming and i7 is 8 but not worth the cost and potential overclock when u can already overclock i5 up high with lesser temps.

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Your logic does not really build up because u are applying human limits while totally neglecting that its electronics we are talking about and powered by electricity which eliminates that barrier but I'll play along.

In your concept again its 5 not 8 cores as we are talking about games here not OS unless ur into the OS more? anyway in your example lets say its 8 skinny people with no no muscles or u can imagine them fat but the other 4 are beefed up being faster (3.4ghz) and stronger (more voltage per core) now how does that play out?

If by your example i'll take u core to core:

4 bags 2 contestants A is normal and B is athletic, START.... A and B take a bag each, B delivers the bag while A is halfway there, A delivers and B is picking the 2nd bag, see what happened? now if it 8 vs 4 then its balanced but we are talking about 5 vs 4 and that 4 can take steroids too if they want (unpark and overclock)

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> What are you on about? A core is a core. The only difference is the processing on them. My point is consoles have 8 of them, they might be low power but there are still 8. 8 cores on PC are very expensive. So someone with a quad core, which is a lot of people but some have only just gone up to i3 or i5 which aren't great for modern games as it is. And will most definitely need one above 3GHz and possibly overclocked higher just to brute force their way through the games that are now optimised for 8 cores.

Just like if you try to do a job designed with 8 people in mind with only 4 people. All of the people are going to need to be able to do the job of 2 people i.e. be very powerful or they will have to double back on themselves which slows down the process.

Like lets say 8 lots of shopping, in bags are laid out in a line, where the goal is to get to the finish line at the end of a 1km route. 8 people could take one set each and walk to the finish line. 4 people would either need to be able to pick up 2 sets of bags each and walk or they would need to take one set then another set (if we imagine they teleport back to the start). That means a quad will have to be pretty beefy to keep up or it will just make tasks longer to carry out. Which will translate into crap frames or stuff like texture pop-in or some other bad looking crap.

PC components are powerful but how long before they start to feel the strain. If my experience with PC components has told me anything is that it won't be long before trainwreck, badly optimised games start to make themselves seen.

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Read this to get what i mean, 1.65/1.75 ghz 8 cores with 3 locked out vs 3.4ghz 4 cores unlocked with room to OC up to 4.0ghz why do people keep comparing consoles to PCs like they are a beast of a system beats me.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> You obviously know very little about Hardware. The new MAchines have the AMD equivalent of an i3 cpu but with 8 cores.

The number of cores in a CPU do not decide its strength. The clock speed is much more important - especially given the fact that most games do not even utilize 2 cores at the moment. And no, games will not be supporting 8 cores within the next 5+ years. I can guarantee you that. An i5 quad core will handily beat the AMD cpu in the consoles.

I suggest you read more about CPUs. the buildapc subreddit is a good place to start.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>thats another misconception, just because they are marketed as 8 core doesn not equal to PC cores.

console cores and heavily under clocked to save power or else u will see one of those big PSUs inside to juice it up along with the built in gfx chip if u do the math 8 core clocks of consoles are close to 4 core pc clocks, but even then consoles cores have some locked out from developers to power the system OS as for PC OS all are unlocked to run OS and anything else and with a tweak u can even unpark them for full usage from what i read 3 out of the 8 cores will be locked out from games and reserved to keep the OS and services running in the background so a 5 under clocked cores are not even close to full clocked 4 core.

@MJ-X @lozandier @Dannystaples14 I wouldn't 3 way SLI either, but to be honest to "future-proof" such an investment like getting that rig, and you're willing to pay that much anyway with 4K gaming to consider, you may buy it anyway.

I'm waiting for DDR4 and PCIe4 before I would consider building a high-end PC gaming with great value. It's coming too soon to not be skeptical of building a high-end gaming rig meant to last the next 3 years than normal.

<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Holy cow that's too much for a system. I mean if u look at the difference 3 way sli does not scale as much as 2 way sli from single card solution so in the end u end up paying a hell of a lot more fora very small performance gain /facepalm

and whats with full water loop its good and reduces comp temp n all but i can perfectly run 4ghz on air or on a cheap h80/h100 closed water loop cooling. as for a graphic card OC is useless as its only a 5-6 frames extra and not worth the entire water cooling cost. i dont know this marketing trend baffles me sometimes.

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It's one of the ones media have drooled doing so w/ record numbers last year for a consumer-level gaming PC