Uncharted 4: Naughty Dog Responds to Voice Actor Concerns

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You may have noticed in the Uncharted 4: A Thief's End beta this weekend that Uncharted 2: Among Thieves bad guy Harry Flynn returns as a multiplayer character. But you might have also heard his voice and wondered if it was the original actor, Steve Valentine. As it turns out, it's not--and some aren't happy, prompting Naughty Dog to make an official statement on the matter.

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As DualShockers noticed, Valentine posted a lot about it on Twitter recently. He said he was never asked to contribute (a point Naughty Dog debates) and isn't very thrilled with the current state of the relationships that exist between voice talent and game developers/publishers. Here is what he had to say:

Naughty Dog community strategist Arne Meyer responded to the drama in a post in the PlayStation forums. He said Naughty Dog did in fact contact Valentine, but a deal could not be reached for him to return as Flynn.

"I don't have great news, so I just wanted to be up front about the voice acting decision process," he started off. "Looking into it, we *did* contact the original voice actors for the characters when we were looking to cast and record voiceover for the multiplayer characters in order to have them reprise his roles--this included Harry Flynn.

"This was our priority and we proceeded to try to do that across the board. I can't speak to why anyone would feel otherwise. In this case, we made the best effort to make it work, but ultimately we couldn't strike a deal that both sides were satisfied with. Sometimes that happens in this industry, among many others."

Meyer went on to say that Naughty Dog appreciates fan feedback but made it clear that it's not going to make some kind of 11th hour effort to bring Valentine in to record some lines.

"We did our part to make it work and it didn't work out when it should have, when we were casting the roles and negotiating agreements," he said. "Unfortunately, the opportunity had long passed us by, even back in December, and we won't be re-recording any multiplayer voices."

It's been a long time coming for Uncharted 4. The PS4-exclusive was first scheduled to launch in 2015, but was later moved to March 2016 and then again to April 2016 before its latest delay to May 2016.

An open beta was held this past weekend to stress-test the game's multiplayer servers. You can watch some footage from the beta in GameSpot's video above.

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I'm glad that he spoke out. Companies screw over voice actors all the time, so some transparency here is good. At the end of the day these guys are the ones who get rolled over by the cogs of corporations, so they have the right to be pissed.

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I'm sympathetic to voice actors. If they deliver a standout performance, then they should be compensated well enough.

Perhaps the offer to record dialogue as this character in mutli was not substantial. From a gaming a developer perspective VO for a multiplayer character probably is seen as a minor role and somewhat disposable. Which in many ways it is. But for a known character perhaps they should have offered more.

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he says he was not approached and then he says he had to refuse what they offered, for a small role like that it's not a big deal anyway

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It's only a little voice work for MP. I couldn't care less to be honest.

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Sony and Naughty Dog for some reason have ultimate fan protection this generation. Naughty Dog hasn't even released the game and this is the second controversy they face not including numerous delays. First, stealing the Black Flag concept art and now cutting out a voice actor. Yet, instead of fans questioning their actions they defend them. Amazing.

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@Snakepond1: Yeah......such controversy. Get a clue man. Those things mean nothing. It's only "controversy" because it's Naughty Dog and Uncharted 4. The hype for this game has been going on for a long time and talk is expected.

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It's funny how he contradicted himself several times about wanting to keep things private and not discuss publicly things during his multiple Tweets.

I can imagine he thought with a high profile game he could get a lot more, but for a small online part they were not prepared to match it.

I can't remember what he sounded like and wouldn't have realised in all honesty.

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Wow, the comments make it glaring that ND still enjoys a level of loyalty only Kojima can relate to.

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He was tremendous as Flynn, and I instantly recognized him as Alistair in Dragon Age Origins, who to this day is one of my favorite video game characters ever. It was a foolish move to low ball him.

Uncharted 3 was a terrible disappointment and I'm not expecting 4 to be better. Will they break from the cookie cutter structure and not have Drake and crew find a treasure only to lose it at gunpoint and fight some supernatural creatures in the last 15% of the game?

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He should vote for sanders. Supply and demand, I guess the demand wasn't great enough for his voice (supply) to get what he wanted as compensation.

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I am excited for Uncharted 4 to release, but there have been a lot of studio-based issues reported since its reveal that concern me. These voice actor issues are the least of my concerns for this game, though.

I really hope the studio can still pull off a game comparable to the PS3 trilogy's quality and without ruining the entertaining canon established within.

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They all should voice their concerns.

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Whatever happened to that voice actors strike? I thought they were doing that. Or was it just hot air?

Look, both sides have their merits. Consistency is important, but accepting the demands of each and every VA in order to keep all the voices even the unimportant ones intact across multiple games is also not always a reality.

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Is this really a problem? It's not like what happened when Keiffer Sutherland replaced David Hayter in MGS V. THAT was a tragedy. I can't see many throwing a fit over this.

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Sounds like an actor that over-values himself and got a taste of reality. Easily replaced and without sacrificing any quality in the final product.

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@straightcur: If that is your sentiment, you haven't been paying attention to his voice. He is an incredible voice actor and cutting him would feel like sacrificing a significal amount of quality to me.

Also, we don't know if he over-values himself. Have you seen the offer from ND? Perhaps it was insultingly low. Perhaps it stated that he had to be available in a period he was not. Fact of the matter is, we don't know.

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@dracuella: He did over value himself because someone else that is just as good was willing to do it for less. It a competitive market, you are only as valuable as the free market dictates.

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The guy is just throwing a fit because he wants more money and didn't get it, so he put the spotlight on him while he tries to throw ND under the bus. Sorry, but voice talent for a secondary character isn't that important in the overall scheme of things. The real work in game design is the coding, modeling, and texture areas. Those people could sleep in their offices while they finish a game. Meanwhile voice actors come in a few hours a day, say their lines, and leave. (Oh let's not forget their new demands where they need mandatory breaks and can't be "over worked"....) What happens when they leave? Animators sit there and match up the voice work and give the characters life. Those mocap suits don't do everything....

If I were to pay someone millions on a game, it'd be those designing it, not the voice work. This isn't Hollywood, you are not the "star" of the show here.

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@sargentpsgamer:

"If I were to pay someone millions on a game, it'd be those designing it, not the voice work. This isn't Hollywood, you are not the "star" of the show here."

I think voice actors don't quite appreciate that. Multiplayer dialogue is a pretty insignificant part of the game. They probably get a reasonable amount relative to how much programmers and designers get. The trouble is they see there talent as having a certain value regardless of their level of contribution to the product.

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Some lines of multiplayer dialogue? I wonder how much this guy asked to do this. If he really believed about keeping it private he would have, but he made himself look like a fool running his mouth off on Twitter.

I'm not defending Naughty Dog or anything, but this guy looks like a whiny asshat. Same goes for David Hayter. People need to grow up and be professional or no one will want to work with them.

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@StHapns247: If the production company hadn't started by posting on Twitter, then perhaps he wouldn't have taken to the keyboard. And like I said elsewhere, we have no idea what has been going on. He could have been unreasonable in his demands, true, but so could ND. I've heard this from other voice actors, some companies expect VAs to return whenever the companies fancy like they are doing them a favour. And if they offer them insufficient pay for the work on top of that? If that were me, I would feel pretty angry if they later on make it out to be my fault in public.

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@StHapns247: David Hayter was the voice of Snake since the 90's. He was missed big time by many. I can see disappointment there, but here is just ridiculous.

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Yea both sides grabbing money.

"We'd love for him to do voiceover for our game"

"I'd love to do the voiceover for your game"

#greedybitches

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I don't get why this is an issue or even an argument online. The guy was asking for more money than ND was willing to pay. So they hired someone else. This actually happens quite often. Anyone watch Iron Man recently. Don Cheadle wasn't always in those movies. If people were really upset about this then they don't have to buy the game. But they will, because UC4 is going to be amazing and that is what consumers want. An amazing gaming experience. Nobody is shedding any tears for the careers of voice actors so game developers will continue doing what they are doing.

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So ND could change an image in a cinematic (a texture of an art piece from ACIV) within an hour but can't throw in the same lines by a different actor to replace existing ones, I call BS, not saying they should, but saying it's a hassle is a lie, that's one thing they could do very easily.

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@mkeezay22: they didn't say it was "too much hassle", they said they aren't going to do it. It's a different and more straightforward response. Also, then the replacement guy, and HIS contracts, would be shoved aside. He'd lose his credits in the game, and possibly money moving forward depending on what sort of payment scheme they agreed upon. And ND would then be on the hook paying two voice actors some amount for one bit part. So it would be a total mess to bring this guy into a game he was never part of to replace someone who already did their job.

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@xantufrog: All of this right here. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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@mkeezay22: lmao re-recording who knows how much dialogue then just placing it into the game is comparable to replacing a single asset in a trailer that is pre-rendered? You clearly don't know what it takes to do either of these things, so instead of arm-chairing next time hold your tongue.

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@StHapns247: No you obviously don't understand how easy it would be to replace the assets of the sound files for the other actor, I never said getting him in to do the work would be easy, but once they had his voicework it would be no issue to simply replace the other voiceover with it, as long as they were even remotely close it would look fine, and that's coming from someone who has replaced many audio files including dialogue files, most of the games we see today don't have enough facial detail to notice if a word is different, as long as the timing is similar.

I've worked on everything from mods to simple projects in UE3, UE4, and Cryengine, a character with a muppet like way of speaking (less facial bones, just a part that opens and closes on an axis) you can add just about any voiceover to and it looks good, obviously the more detailed the facial animations and movement the less able you are to do that, but in the short no doubt generic MP lines with the same words it would look fine.

And when mentioning the trailer I was obviously showing they can quickly and easily access the game files, that scene had the image replaced in an in engine scene within an hour and uploaded shortly after, two hours of voicework and one day later this would be done, if you think it's more complicated than that to add audio files to a nearly finished game it is you who has no clue how game development works, everything is already done, even facial animations for the lines, adding a different voice would not be hard.

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@mkeezay22: It sounds like they contacted Valentine, probably through his agent, they wanted too much cash for what amounts to less than an hours work so they had to go with an alternative voice. With the image in the video it was a case of find the file in the games directory and replace the texture then re-record that video. One costs money the other costs ten minutes.

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@luciferous: Yes I never said it wouldn't cost money, I agree it would, but considering the games state and the fact these lines have already been recorded once for him to base his line timing on it also wouldn't be technically difficult to add his work to the game, that was my point.

At this stage in development things like this are very easy to replace, from a single texture to even the lighting in a corridor or the time of day (depending on the engine as some still don't support day.night cycles) isn't something that is going to take very long, and many last minute changes are made right up until the game is pushed out.

While maybe not practical in terms of investment, it isn't technically a big deal, and I really doubt he would come out and say this had he actually been asked, sounds more like the work of a manager trying to squeeze a deal out too much and didn't want to admit it to him, just my thought as I doubt ND would lie about reaching out to him in some way.

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Maybe it's just me, but this is a foolish thing to be upset about from a fan's perspective at least. Its not like Harry Flynn is gonna be in the main story anyways, I mean come on ppl. its just the multiplayer

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This is why video game narrative and (mainly) voice acting, don't matter, like, at all. People don't care who voices characters, they will buy the game anyway. That's why I respect what From Soft and Miyazaki do even more. You would never hear of these problems with them, because they use a subversive type of storytelling that doesn't have the need for big time video game voice actors to tell the story. They leave a lot of the work up to you, but I love that. Games like Uncharted rely on big time voice actors to succeed.

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@jdlok: I don't think it "doesn't matter, like at all". First of all, just like with any cartoon or pixar movie, certain voices and voice talents are more right for a certain role than another. Second of all, unless we went back to only text on the screen, we'd be giving up something in many types of games if they all went with the "subversive" storytelling of From Software - lots of games are story driven and dialogue heavy, From Soft games don't provide that (and if they did they'd be in the same boat here as ND)... and it's a good thing. I like variety in my games. Sure, you could take those games away, but then we've have less diversity. I think voice actors, and the right ones for the character, are extremely important (doesn't mean I agree with his guy's behavior)

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@jdlok: That's not true at all, many fans associate certain characters with certain voices, there has been a lot of gamers in the past upset with casting choices, if I'm playing a game with characters I know from previous games, it feels weird when they just change voice actors.

Maybe you need to go play the original Resident Evil and then come back and tell me you don't care who does the Voice acting.

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@mkeezay22: Yet you still buy the game and enjoy it so long as the voice acting is good. And even if it is bad, games can still be good...like the original resident evil. People can complain about developers changing voice actors all day long, but unless there is evidence that people will or won't buy a game because of voice acting/actors, it is just impotent whining. It means nothing because it has zero impact on sales.

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@ZIMdoom: Yeh you make a story based game with bad voice acting like from back then and watch how the score goes down a point and the game sells less, I can't stand it when I'm playing a game that focuses on story and a bad voice actor completely ruins it.

Your question is like me asking you to prove it doesn't have an affect on sales, but do you think a game like Mass Effect would have been so highly praised if it didn't have one of the largest casts of good voice work for the time, it was one of the most praised parts of the game, the conversation system never would have been what it was, and the game never would have been so great if the acting had sucked.

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So what I thought was more down the middle than his story of them deliberately not wanting to work with him? Tired of these self absorbed people playing on the communities' emotions to get sympathy for their own missteps. You probably wanted more than you're worth for the speaking lines and they simply said that's not possible, the other voice actors made it in so what was his issue? So he was singled out for no reason, considering he hasn't been in an UC for quite some time. Actors are just people with jobs and some of them are in actuality douches just like some of the reprobates we meet online. Not sure why people glorify these folks as if they are some separate sect of faultless humans, they are literally some else's famous friend and that's it. No more of a human than you and I. Anyone can choose to be the bigger man and do what is right, or take the low road and start throwing hissy fits online on twitter. Impending apology is probably coming, I wonder what his agent will say, assuming his agent hasn't dropped him for acting out on social media.

Life is full of choices, this one may come back to bite him later on down the road.

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do a destiny and patch him later .......

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Sometimes contract negotiations go that way. Sounds like he didn't have the leverage he thought he did.

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@Lacerz: or his agent got greedy and the deal never got through to Valentine hence why he's adamant that no negotiation took place.

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Somehow I doubt that the other characters were given huge salaries and he was offered a small one. I think he thought he could strong-arm them regarding the pay and neither side backed down. Acting like the victim here with the - I wanted to take it but I need to provide for my family - routine doesn't really make sense... Would've liked him as he was a cool villain, but you need to expect this sort of thing when you have pay demands, at the end of the day it's a business ...

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"Couldn't find your own ass with both hands.... And a map.."

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If he really loved the role he would have taken it regardless but he didn't. Quit whining and move on Steve.

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@edwardnygma: So by that reasoning, I would do development jobs at any price because I love it? Like he said, it's his job, what he supports his family with. I'm not saying he didn't ask for too much, I'm saying none of us know. But the comments make it seem as if you've already made up your minds that it was all Valentine's mistake and that he should be grateful they thought of him in the first place.

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@edwardnygma: agreed i just dont understand the big deal. Like if it was nolan north i would understand, but a mp character that doesnt have little to no impact on gameplay/ story/ etc. I hope these people dont buy the game so that i can play the game peacefully and enjoy it without people being salty and childish. Also steve doesnt seem so genuine about the whole thing.

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Don't get me wrong, I loved Steve's Flynn and was probably the best villain in an uncharted game... But something doesn't make sense to me... If he said he would love to reprise his role and be in the game then wouldn't he have taken any price they offered? I mean if he really cared about the fans and the character he would've taken the price and done it... But I understand he has a family that he needs to pay for but idk something seems strange. Also this change probably wouldn't have bothered me as much if the new voice for Flynn wasn't so infuriating and cancerous to listen to... I mean his lines are so bad "Just breathe my greatness in" and "I wish there was an explanation for my greatness" are garbage... He is so full of himself and it makes me want to cut my own ears off.

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Dont really know why Steve is attacking naughty dog?

I can appreciate its his work and paying for his family, but its business, and thats it, you wernt given the role, you were offered a part and "left it" it was your decision Steve, move on and find work else where? or keep crying about it on twitter which doesn't feed your family. Naughty dog will still be here regardless!!!!

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