There Are "Endless Possibilities" for More Batman Games, WB Says

"Batman is one of the cornerstone IPs for Warner Bros."

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This year's Batman: Arkham Knight may be the final entry in the series developed by Rocksteady Studios, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily the last time you'll see the Caped Crusader in video game form. Warner Bros. gaming boss Ames Kirshen says in a new interview that the Batman franchise has limitless potential in terms of where it could go in the future.

Speaking with the PlayStation Blog, Kirshen declined to share specifics about what's coming next, but stressed how vital Batman, and the Arkham series specifically, is to Warner Bros.' gaming portfolio. "Batman is one of the cornerstone IPs for Warner Bros," he explained. "With the Arkham series, we were finally able to realize the full potential of the character."

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Kirshen added: "We don't have anything to talk about at this time [regarding future Batman games], but the possibilities are endless with a character as dynamic and beloved as Batman."

In addition to Rocksteady, Warner Bros. has enlisted some of its other internal studios, such as NetherRealm (Batman: Arkham City Lockdown, Injustice: Gods Among Us) and TT Games (Lego Batman), to work on extensions of the Batman franchise. The Dark Knight's latest appearance in a game is through Lego Dimensions, Warner Bros.' new toys-to-life franchise that launched just yesterday.

The company's overarching approach to Batman video games is to make sure that the "core essence" of the franchise is embodied in every new game. But at the same time, it's important not to be beholden to the past.

"You have to understand and respect the core essence of the franchise," Kirshen aid. "But you can't be a slave to every single aspect of its history or continuity in translating it for the gaming medium."

"More importantly, you have to have the talent, vision, and passion from the development teams to make great games and treat them as they would an original IP," he added. "We've been blessed at WBIE with studios and talent such as Rocksteady, NetherRealm, and TT Games."

Where would you like to see the Batman video game series go next? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

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How about an anti-hero game? Sinister Six looks awesome as a movie; an anti-hero game could set up other heroes for their own lines? I'd love to see them take a break from Batman so it doesn't become stale like Assassin's Creed has (for me at least).

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No more tanks. It is lame.

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Beyond, DKR, or Knightfall would all be great story lines to explore.

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Tone down the batmobile next time. Practically ruined Arkham Knight.

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Wanna know the fastest way to make me lose interest in a franchise...

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that's ABSOLUTELY TRUE because like you guys said that there are endless possibilities for the WONDERFUL franchise to go in the future. i have all the Batman games are from my view and in my own opinion, they all are just INCREDIBLY FUN & CHALLENGING & SUPER ENTERTAINING TO PLAY!!!!
for a guy like myself i always have loved great challenges just like The Riddler... maybe, and this is just a suggestion so don't get after me with mean words because i NEVER would do that to you guys on here... i was thinking about what if Batman has these versions of who killed his parents and to his versions, Batman is lead to his parents' killer but you don't know what the versions means until you play through the game. what if Hush makes a returns and challenges him to a game of tricky by putting innocents in danger and he has to find out why....

like i say, it just is a suggestion :) :) :)

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"Where would you like to see the Batman video game series go next?"

Into mothballs until my fatigue of it wears off.

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in other words they are planning on fleecing the Batman IP so much that people will be tired of seeing Batman games. The quality will continually diminish as WB seeks to save cash on the franchise..

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How about they freaking finish making Arkham Knight playable for PC first?

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There are so many characters in the DC Universe that have the potential to be a great game, yet they're squandered on their overall focus on Batman. Which is par for the course for DC and WB, really. Here's some, off the top of my head:

1) Superman - He's my favourite superhero and he's yet to get a good, proper video game that gives him justice like the Arkham games have done for Batman.

2) Wonder Woman - Hell, just make it a God of War clone and boom. You got a game.

3) Aquaman - Yeah, I know, I know. "Aquaman is lame!" But imagine an underwater Conan kind of game, with various kingdoms to visit and underwater creatures.

4) Secret Six - Slightly obscure for non-comic book readers, but this could make for an interesting online co-op game.

5) The Flash - I think all the different speed-related game mechanics could be a lot of fun. Steal speed from enemies or vehicles, tapping into the Speed Force. Plus, The Flash probably has the best line of villains in the DCU outside of Batman.

6) Shazam - Imagine something aimed more for kids, where you can switch between Billy and Captain Marvel. And he's got a great line of villains himself, too.

7) Birds of Prey - You wanna talk about bringing more female characters into video games, how about the one with a roster of kickass female superheroes? Make it using the Arkham engine, let you run around as Black Canary and take out thugs with the Canary Cry. Throw in Oracle, Batwoman, and Huntress for good measure.

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@RedWave247: Superman is really hard to do in video game format given that he's a cosmic level superhero. Confining him to Metropolis would severely limit the appeal of controlling Superman but if you don't then how do you come up with gaming limitations for a character that can do just about anything without making the game seem on-rails or the character feeling very nerfed?

Wonder Woman suffers from the same problem as Superman plus the facts that DC has struggled to come up with tales about her that compare to the best ones surrounding Bats and Supes, and she actually shines most when she's not solo. That's not to say that she can't hold her own but it's when she's around others like Batman and Superman that her personality and character traits really shine.

Aquaman is not lame. Not by a long shot. Aquaman represented in early animation efforts, yes. Comic book and DC animated universe version, no. Super strength, super speed, crazy fighting skills, hella-durable, and ill tempered with a king's attitude. Plus... Atlantis. There's a lot of potential in gaming for this one.

Secret Six, yes. A very creative dev would have a pretty good game on their hands with that one.

The Flash... incredibly amazing character and easily one of the most powerful in DC's stable (I do prefer Wally West over Barry Allen) but that speed... How do you even begin to convey it without just constantly bullet-timing everything that isn't him? That would get old. Without slowing things down, even his cruising speeds are too fast for a person to process and control.

Shazam, see Superman... with magic.

Birds of Prey is a no-brainer. If someone with enough love for the characters like Rocksteady has with Batman made it then that game would kill, no problem.

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@horizonwriter: Just because Superman is powerful doesn't mean you can't make a game around that. Games like Prototype and Infamous let you build up your powers until you're pretty much on par with Superman. Kratos literally fights other gods. It's all about perspective. I've had an idea for a long for a Superman game wherein you start the game depowered due to story reasons and need to earn your powers back. Going from that, it wouldn't be any different than any other game where you eventually become ultra-powerful.

You obviously haven't read a lot of Wonder Woman, then. Gail Simone, Greg Rucka, Brian Azzarello, and George Perez all had long, iconic runs with the character that prove that interesting stories can be told around her. She has all of Greek mythology behind her as a foundation, plus some interesting villains like Cheetah. Like I said, you could easily make one as a God of War style clone game.

I never said Aquaman was lame. That's why it's in quotes. That's what many others seem to think.

Again, it's all about perspective with Flash. We've seen plenty of games where speed is key. Mix that with some awesome slow motion bullet time for fighting and I think it'd be neat.

Shazam, same as Superman. Make it an origin story where you need to earn all your powers that the wizard Shazam grants you.

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@RedWave247: Kratos is powerful but the combat in the God of War series doesn't stretch far past the actions of what other more human level characters can do in other action games. Superman's power level is insanely high and his abilities are very well known. Scaling him down to a level of action akin to GoW would really feel like cheating the character. Can a good game for him be done? Probably but it would certainly be extremely difficult to pull off. We're talking flight, super speed, destructible environments, massive objects to move and probably use in battle, a huge world or multiple worlds... That's a lot to develop for. Shazam has those same issues but probably to a lesser degree. If someone could figure it out and actually not screw it up though, it would probably be the game of the decade.

I didn't say that Wonder Woman didn't have any good stories but from a main stream perspective her stories don't have the draw that other characters' tales do.

I know what quotes mean. You clearly know your characters and I definitely don't think you believe that Aquaman is lame. My statement was for those that do.

Part of the Flash's appeal is actually getting to see him whip around at those speeds or at least seeing him drawn that way. There's games with speed and then there's Flash's speed. Like I said there could be some bullet time but since the character's powers are completely rooted in the Speed Force and speed at a nearly unfathomable level I think there would be an over abundance of bullet time usage.

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@horizonwriter: I'm not talking about scaling down his powers. I'm talking about the scale. The actual scale of things and putting it into perspective. Like I said, Kratos fights gods. The Greek heroes of old have many similarities with today's superheroes, including Superman. But again, think about a game like Prototype. You have multiple abilities that you gain throughout the game and by the end, you're akin to a god, yourself. Hell, Batman's multiple gadgets are just different powers in a game, really.

I don't see why it needs to be multiple worlds. Metropolis is a big city and Superman has a vast mythology to play with. My idea included Brainiac shrinking and capturing the city within a bottle. In order to get his powers back, Superman must tap into different resources around the city (by defeating villains, progressing through the story, etc). It's all about game progression and it's completely doable. If you're interested, I wrote on my blog about my ideal Superman game. It's a rough work, but I think a lot of it could be fun. Link is in my Gamespot profile. One thing that I thought would be fun is rewarding players for rescuing people by giving them temporary power-ups. A big part of Superman character is rescuing people. Of course, it would also be optional. You wouldn't HAVE to rescue people if you didn't want to, but it's rewarding if you do.

As for Flash, look at all the games that don't necessarily use bullet time, but certainly slow things down. Shadow of Mordor slows things down while you use your bow. Arkham Knight has that new predator mode where everything slows down for you to do multiple takedowns. You could even do fun stuff like in the Lego games where Flash can rebuild things at super speed. Or even dismantle things at super speed. Imagine doing a car chase against some thugs and you can take them out not by force but by literally dismantling their car as they're driving it.

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@RedWave247: in all honesty outside of Superman and possibly Wonder Woman nobody would really care to play those other games, let alone really know or care about those Heroes or know enough about them to care about playing a game based on them.

DC universe is kind of meh when it comes to super heroes people care about. Even the Flash with the TV show seems to be forgotten about, Also I wouldn't be shocked to see another Superman game come out in the near future. Especially with a new movie looming on the horizon. Now whether or not that game will be good is another story.

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@OrgeLambart: if the game is good - or even great - then I think any of these properties could do well. The Flash is probably more popular than ever thanks to the TV show, by the way. I'm not personally a fan of it, but I've seen a lot of people online who have become a fan of the character thanks to the show, so you're undeniably wrong there.

And I think you're wrong about them being superheroes people don't care about. Some of these characters have lasted 70+ years for a reason. There's a reason they have lasting power, just like the Marvel superheroes.

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@RedWave247: you're right many of the characters lasted along time, but in the grand scheme of things they are relatively unknown outside of comic book fans. Comic book success doesn't usually translate well to video game success.. Look how many times developers have attempted to make super hero games and created crap nobody wanted to play.

Outside of the Rocksteady Batman games, and possibly Marvel Ultimate (or whatever it was called) all Super Hero games are crap. I'm not sure if it's the fact that the developer needs to pay a license to use the Hero or the Developer is only interested in cashing in on that particular hero. Either way I don't see much interest to be had in any of the games you mentioned outside of Superman, Wonder Woman and to a lesser scale The Flash.. The first two because of movies, the latter because of the Television show...

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@RedWave247: +1000

But I'd rather have someone else make these, cuz with greedy WB execs, I know they will cut corners.

For new franchises you need to pour your heart n soul to make them flourish.

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@ginobili1: So would I. I'd love for DC to split away from WB completely, but they're too dug in with them, now, so that's never going to happen. My only hope is the people in charge stop trying to make the DCU grim and gritty.

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How about we finish up with batman but keep Gotham City as the playground. And focus on other characters as the protagonists. Deathstroke would be excellent. So many awesome dc characters to list so why limit ourselves to batman moving forward.

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@spiderjensen: Deathstroke was toned way down for the Arkham series. They'd need really revamp his character for him to hold his own as a lead villain.

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@horizonwriter: Yep! I think it would be awesome to have death stroke as the main character of a game.

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An open world Superman game, but more like the comic book version and not like Smallville or something please?

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@bernard978: I think Smallville should at least be included though; to perhaps be an introduction to some of the controls and the basis of the story-- even though everyone pretty much knows the origins of Superman.

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I've had my fill with Batman games..let it die please.

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Well, given the ending to both AO, AO-Blackgate, Assault on Arkham (if applicable), and AK... they already have a lot of plot to work with. And honestly I don't care how it's done, because I'm a Batman fan and major fan of this series.

I would suggest however more inside and underground traversing and at least one water and aerial battle. Also, allowing us to cross islands in free roam with the Batboat. Batboat battles!!! To say, visit Arkham Island, Blackgate Isle (more fleshed out), and new places like, Burnside (showdown at Gotham U stadium, anyone?) or the Narrows (which can be a part of Burnside to make one big island AO sized and the two smaller AI and BI). Not as huge as say AK, but places big enough for us to still have fun grappling and gliding around. Also, to add regular people to the game... why not pull an AA and have the battles take place inside or on rooftops? It would be cool to see citizen reactions to Batman just walking around or an event happening, even if the programming constraints forces the people to look similar or the same. The constant need for tons of bad guys free roaming is so played out in this series already. If WBM are looking for an upgrading system on the outside... help citizens/police in need (muggings, B&E's, warrants). Batman does that too, instead of just constantly beating people up.

And if they must add a multiplayer... I'd like to ask for something simple like, a smash version of Arkham. It 's more fun that way, because it doesn't have to be connecting in any way. They could add characters from the entire series. Also, I think that more people would be interested in a brawler instead of a shooter. Which, is the only thing I did not like about AO. Who really wants to play as thugs when you can jump right in to playing as heroes and villains?

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well, maybe make the current one playable before considering more? I still can't play the current one on PC (even with the latest "patch") if your expecting gamers to buy a new game with this attitude then WB is delusional, "More importantly, you have to have the talent, vision, and passion from the development teams to make great games and treat them as they would an original IP," Talent, vision and passion??? suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

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@Voredor: they meant the console versions.... pc versions can rot they dont even care the half hearted pc version os clear their target is console and rightfully so since consoles are the money makers for game companies

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haha - wanted to write sth about the PC version but I guess everybody else is doing that already :S.....

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"There are "Endless Possibilities" for us to screw up the PC version of more Batman games, WB says."

Corrected. ~grin~

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I doubt the PC crowd want anything to do with you WB

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I'd rather see Rocksteadys next game

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Far as I'm concerned WB can piss off

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Bring multiplayer online back that was fun. Plus do co-op for the story mode would be nice Batman and Robin or Night Wing who ever, just have co-op, endless possibilities the perfect choose of words!

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"Endless possibilities at Batman games..."

And only a handful of developers good enough to pull these possibilities off, apparently.

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@ditronus: Their in-house devs worked on Origin and it was a decent game with good boss battles. New Batman games from them would be great.

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I expect at least 2 more Origin prequels to be made before Warner is done with the Arkham Series. and for gods sake can we please get the WHOLE city of Gotham to play in?.

I hear a Superman game is in the works so that's a start, but will Warner Brothers Montreal be able to do Superman Justice?

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Create a new Batman game where Gotham City is not evacuated due to criminal crises. Create a Gotham City filled with citizens; a variety of crimes that need to be solved, preempted, or stopped in progress; daytime duties for Bruce Wayne; nighttime missions for Batman; etc.

Focus on a diversity of good stories and character developments for Bruce Wayne or Batman, villains, Batman's allies, victims, and the overall city's culture.

The combat should be more about pattern recognition: correct timing and distance, correct technique against a specific enemy or enemy attack, correct technology against a certain foe, etc. Focus less on the quantity of enemies and focus more on the quality of enemies. Two difficult enemies are a lot funner to defeat than five incompetent enemies.

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@Utahraptor_: yep thats how a superhero game should be but devs cant make it probably money issues or some shit....

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@Utahraptor_: Yes, that's right. It would be great to have a city that isn't empty. And more boss fights like Mr. Freeze's in Arkham City.

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@Utahraptor_: I was somewhat disappointed to see all of Gotham evacuated in this last game. In early previews, they talked about how the new console power allowed them to populate the streets with people and make the city feel more alive, which led me to think it would be a Gotham with civilians and such.

The game was still good, but I would like to be a Batman in the normal world. Never have I seen a comic, movie, TV show, or game where it had Batman in a scenario where be was constantly and always surrounded by nothing but enemies like Rocksteady's stories.

Maybe Rockstar, instead of Rocksteady, should make the next Batman game.

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@ditronus: It is odd that they would choose to empty out the city given the fact that Gotham is always facing some kind of criminal threat to wipe it off the planet. It's a city where the citizens are actually used to crazy super-criminals wreaking havoc from time to time and using Arkham Asylum as a revolving door.

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Endless possibilities for you to milk DLC and mutilate the PC versions.

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Why the hell would they say it like this? We all know their going to make more Batman games but they can't be that oblivious to the fact that so many gamers have a problem with milking something for all it's worth or that the B:AK DLC plan and the quality of what's come out so far doesn't help with that. So why would they say it like this without even adding specific significant changes like they're considering making anything from a Batman adventure game with a focus on his detective skills, a stealth game starring one of his many sidekicks, Red Hood GTA style game, or even branching out to other sides of DC. Anything to show their not just going to keep putting out the same thing every year until it's in the same position as Assassin's Creed which honestly it's not far from at all.

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@sirdukefillion: "So many gamers have a probelm with milking something for all its worth?" Yes, gamers do, but that doesn't stop CoD from selling millions and breaking records every year. Same goes for Assassins Creed, Destiny's $40 DLC's and any other franchise at the moment, they are milked because that doesn't stop people from buying them. So if "so many gamers" had a problem with it, I think it would show in the sales figures, but it doesn't. The 15-20 people that bitch about yearly releases on Gamespot does not make for an accurate sample size to base such a broad statement on. The majority of gamers do not visit gaming sites daily.

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@iammcgruber: I'm not saying the fact that a lot people have a problem with it stops them from buying it every year or at least every other year to see if it improved. Obviously it just wouldn't get to the state that AC is in right now if it did stop them.

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Justice League........

drop the Arkham BS......seriously let that plot die off FFS.....and drop the 1V100 gameplay....

maybe borrow The Warrior's style brawling....along with the stealth and all that....

add multiple playable characters all with short stories to play through, like each story is an episode of the game and characters can have more than 1 episode....

Have Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow

and have sidekicks too, Robin or Nightwing, Supergirl, Power Girl, Killawog or Green Arrow, White Canary....

actually incorporate Gotham, Metropolis, Central City, Coast City & Star City....or parts of each city.....

also have hero teamups, Bats and Supes, Supes and WW, Supes and Flash, Arrow & Lantern, Arrow & Flash....

I honestly say do your own thing, quit trying to be like Assassins Creed or the flavor of the month....do something new....and on a big scale but know your limits......know what you can and can't do, experiment.....that's how good games are made.....

the best part of the Arkham games was the stealth and detective aspects.......go figure.....

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is that all they can make is different bat man games.give us something different wb.im drooling for a GOOD superman game.or any other super hero game.ANYTHING diffrent from batman plz.i know i want to play something else.so many super heros out there SOMETHING ELSE PLZ.i wont play anymore bat man games after arkham knight.

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The only kind of games I want to see him in with a major role at this point would be a full on detective adventure game,Justice League, or Outsiders games. Honestly I think I'd like them to build up some kind of connected story between games starring different teams in every entry. Maybe start with Birds of Prey, (pre-new 52) Outsiders, Teen Titans, Justice Society of America, and finally Justice League. I guess Batman has enough connections to show up in all of them but the only ones they would be justified in giving a major role are Outsiders and Justice league.

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