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The Xbox One vs. PS4 1080p debate is an unwinnable war, says Titanfall developer

Producer Drew McCoy says getting worked up over specs is silly because, "that's a war that no one actually wins."

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There's been no shortage of debate concerning the ongoing "war" between Microsoft and Sony in the battle for the living room. One argument that constantly makes the rounds is the fact that right now, more PlayStation 4 games run in 1080p than they do on Xbox One. In fact, one of the Xbox One's biggest and most important titles to date--Respawn Entertainment's multiplayer shooter Titanfall--does not run in 1080p. But the debate over respective resolutions between platforms does not interest Titanfall producer Drew McCoy.

"It's the console wars. It's Sega does what Nintendon't," McCoy told GameSpot at PAX East about why he believes the 1080p debate has gathered so much attention this year. "There's going to be games that look better on one or the other. There's going to be exclusives that look better, for whatever reason. And we never set out to engage in the tech war. I feel like that's a war that no one actually wins."

"We never set out to engage in the tech war. I feel like that's a war that no one actually wins" Titanfall producer Drew McCoy

"We consciously just decided that we're going to make a game that's fun and new and exciting and then worry about making it as good-looking as we can," he added. "And I don't think we made an ugly game, but no one in the office will tell you we made the prettiest game out there. Or [the one that] runs at the highest resolution."

Titanfall runs in the oddball native resolution of 792p, and because it's not available on PS4, there is obviously no comparison to be made there. McCoy teased that Respawn is experimenting with ways in which it can improve visual performance, but overall, he doesn't want to get wrapped up in a debate about specs. It's just not worth it, he says.

"We have more that we can do. We're looking at performance stuff on Xbox One; the PC patch added some stuff; and we're working with NVIDIA for some things on PC as well," McCoy said. "At the end of the day we don't really care. People were roasting us because we run at higher than 720p but we're not a solid locked [60fps] yet. And it's like, 'Yeah, well you know what, guess what? The GPU isn't always a thing that limits your frame rate and your performance.' So we hit the highest resolution we could without limiting the GPU."

Titanfall's first DLC expansion, Expedition, launches next month and introduces three new multiplayer maps to the game. Respawn is also planning to support Titanfall extensively with new modes and features--all of which will be entirely free.

Titanfall launched March 11 for Xbox One and PC, and came to Xbox 360 earlier this month. We'll find out how well the game sold--and how much it helped sell Xbox Ones--later today when the NPD Group releases sales information for the month of March.

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The bottom line is the PS4 has the inherently more powerful hardware, so it will have better performing games (from a technical point) for the entire generation. Even with tech such as DX12 coming to the XB1, you can't overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> And don't tell me Killzone.. I've played 2 iterations of that game on the PS2 and PS3 and I've never been impressed

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Software is what sells games. Tell me one game on the PS4 that an FPS guy like myself MUST HAVE.

Titanfall and HALO. Only two games that matter to most of us XB users.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Yes, games are what sells these systems. I never said that just because the PS4 has the better hardware that it’s the better system so you should go buy that instead of anything else. I stated that the in the argument of the PS4 vs XB1in terms of hardware, the PS4 will always win because of the fact that it has the inherently better hardware. As a result I said the PS4 will have better performing games from atechnical point, and by a technical point I mean technical factors in games such as resolution, frame rate, effects etc.

Ones decision to buy a system should be because they like the system & it has the games they like to play, not solely because it has better hardware.

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Yup people don't play games to play games. They play it for resolution and graphics and defend it like they had some hand in making it...

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<< LINK REMOVED >> This is like saying you don't drive a car for gas mileage, you drive it to get somewhere. Who cares if your gas mileage sucks cause you got where you were going. Well, that's a stupid argument because we can care about multiple things at once.


Yes of course we care about the quality of the actual gameplay, but ALSO of course we care about quality of resolution and graphics. So many great games have proven they can give us top-notch 60fps 1080p last-gen, so why are we still struggling with it next-gen? It should just be the norm.

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If you put graphics anywhere near the importance of story and gameplay you are losing most real gamers respect.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Visuals can make a huge difference. Just look at Rockstar's recent games, and tell me that their work in detailed facial animations has no effect on character dialogue and interaction. Tell me that obnoxiously blurry textures and models clipping into each other has no effect on a 3D rendered cutscene. Tell me that having nothing but a handful orange squares to simulate fire as I burn away cobwebs in Metro Last Light has no effect on its acclaimed immersion.

So don't give me your arbitrary and irrelevant label of who "real" gamers are. Real gamers are people who enjoy games, and your opinion isn't worth any more than theirs unless you have the fatter wallet (and vice versa). People can like whatever the hell they want in a game, and it's all about the full package. If something's lacking, it stands out, be it music, story, graphics, gameplay, controls, whatever.

And if you have two products that are (for all relevant intents and purposes) completely identical, other than in one area where one has a clear advantage; why would you choose the inferior?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I agree, it is a stupid argument. Gas mileage matters because of the cost of going from point A to point B. It's in direct relation to the distances traveled in a given time. Very little to do with graphics and resolution as it relates more to the longevity of the system if it were attached to a limited supplied power source.


The right analogy is, would you make the trip in a Civic with faded paint or a Civic with a custom paint job?

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If it's 2014 and your games don't run in 1080p, YOU LOSE.

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"Producer Drew McCoy says getting worked up over specs is silly because, "that's a war that no one actually wins."


You know who says that, the loser.

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<< LINK REMOVED >>Until the end of the PS2/Gamecube/XBox generation, the PS2 was in the lead and the Gamecube pretty much stayed dead-last for most of it.

Of those consoles, the PS2 was actually a low-tech piece of garbage designed only to *just* squeak past the Dreamcast; The XBox and 'Cube, pound for pound (and a PS2 with a network adapter somehow weighed nearly as much as an XBox with its harddrive), beat the hell out of it. Not only in performance for either, but in capability in the XBox's corner.

So, actually, McCoy is right. What he omitted is that it's often the jabbering fanboys that keep things going, often in the wrong direction, like the PS2.

It's the same with the XBox and PS3; The XBox is technologically behind, however slightly (and, actually, how far behind is actually irrelevent because of how powerful both consoles are), but it's much more user-friendly, has a much better online interface and it has a superior controller.

The PS3 does have slightly more good exclusives, though - but only slightly. I'm not particularly impressed with many of the exclusives on either; other than the level of polish, most of them are actually pretty mediocre in the gameplay department.

It's ultimately not just about what is under the hood, it really is about how you make use of it.

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"it's much more user-friendly, has a much better online interface and it has a superior controller."


Well, these points are your opinion, but are definitely not fact. 360 may have had a better online experience last gen, but they're very much the same now. Also, the DS4 is much better than XB1's controller IMO.

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Why is it that when people are losing some say that they weren't playing? A constant 1080p resolution is the first thing that distinguish an Xbone or PS4 from a PS3. Not from an X360 since it didn't even have a BR drive nor a standard HDD in all model. And yes, the PS3 can play (and RECORD!!) television as well with the optional PlayTV in PAL regions.

Unless now a new console generation gets defined by the opportunity to wave the arms like a monkey in front of a camera.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> I never understood the TV plug-in feature of the Xbox One. I got rid of cable years ago and between free stuff online and Netflix, what's the point of paying through the nose for tons of cable TV I really don't need? It just feels like a feature more relevant 10 years ago.


I've also seen the "snap" feature. Wow thats pathetic. It takes up a huge chunk of your screen and shrinks your gameplay screen size. I thought it was just like a picture-in-picture, but no it takes nearly a 1/3 of the screen. Pathetic.

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I was actually mildly interested in Titanfall when it was first announced. The fact that they took the bribe and chose an inferior console rubs me the wrong way, I am not even considering getting it on PC at this point.

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I was looking for a BECAUSE in this article to explain why no one wins ... and sadly there was none ...

Stop wasting my time GS !!!

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I am just wondering when X1 will start getting some good games. Their exclusives suck, one of them being the most overhyped turd in recent memory. TitanBot. Does Xbone even have any games coming out? Or is it perpetual slaying of dumbass bots and 720p multiplats?

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This shit only matters to people who for some reason think that slightly prettier pixels actually affect gameplay.

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That isn't necessarily true. It brings to fruition the fact that a larger number of people are more aware of the technology they buy. The real issue isn't the "vs" topic, but moreso the, "these 2004 machines were pumping out 720p...you mean to tell me these 2012 machines can't easily do native 1080p."

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It is a winnable war. And guess who wins it? The PC!

RIP "next gen"

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<< LINK REMOVED >> PC winning a console war? Mustard race bafoon...

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Youre right the consoles will forever be behind the PC's,its not really a race when the PC always wins.Consoles get their technology from PCs,by the time the console comes out its immediately a couple steps behind.The $$$vspower the console still holds its own

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It's so cute when developers and publishers actually expect people to believe this kind of double speak. If graphics are so unimportant, why even bother trying to improve the graphics in a post-launch patch? Why not stick to 720p and lock in 60fps? Why even bother developing for the current gen consoles when previous generation already has a huge install base?


Seriously, when did these people become so gutless that they willingly kiss platform maker ass? My guess is about 2 minutes after they signed an exclusivity clause in which all of a sudden it becomes very important for, in this case Respawn and EA, that the perception of the XBOne remains positive for the future success and survival or all three companies.


Simply put, you cannot trust someone directly linked to one platform or another to be objective about things like the power and abilities of either system. I don't trust Respawn to be impartial on things of this nature any more than I trust Naughty Dog to be impartial about it. Unfortunately, it seems even 3rd parties are rather gutless when it comes to speaking out publicly, less they earn the ire of either platform holder, so the only trustworthy metric we have is the actual games themselves and thus far the evidence points pretty handily to PS4 being the superior system for playing games. When you take that evidence with what we know about the raw numbers of each system, it really shouldn't be a surprise to anybody that has been paying attention that this is the case.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> lol.........3 systems actually just one company lol , everything just not sony pretty much ..........and if we are going by numbers pc completely destroys everthing anyway so just play it on the best to begin with at 1440p and all the nice stuff nvidia is puttin in it right now

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"that's a war that no one actually wins"


LOL


No, it's a war that PC constantly wins

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Do any of you guys making comments about them being incompetent actually make games? Do any form of computer programming or make in game art assets? Know anything about what is going on behind the senses of a game loop? Whats being calculated pre/post processed before a frame is rendered to the screen much less 60 frames per second? There a lot of bottlenecks that can cause a significant drop in FPS, that is not totally based on how great or not so great the graphics actually look. So before you guys continue to make ignorant comments, you should do a little research and educate yourselves about what you are trying to have a discussion about before discussing it.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> pretty sure games have been around for a while, thought you guys would have gotten hang of it by now, but obviously not, and your one of these guys that makes excuses and finger points, in my line of work i dont have the luxury of excuses, but you can blame anytihng you want, eg. the modem, the router, the internet provider, your firmware. you are brainwashed by this industry, enjoy supporting your console based on promise and hope that its going to get better.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Again with misinformed comments. I don't own any of these consoles actually, I was strictly speaking about game development. Sure as you've said "We've been making games for a while", but, unlike PC development which is a very open platform, console architecture changes dramatically each generation and developers have no control over the underpinnings of these systems, but to just work with what they are given. I don't see any where in my previous comment where I'm brainwashed or pointing fingers at anyone other than saying that people should have a more open minded to things they may not be privy to fully understanding, before they make comments. But thanks for your comment, I appreciate your thoughts. PS what is your line of work?

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The Titanfall dev is trying to be diplomatic here. If you compared two race cars side by side where one car had the more powerful engine, it would be very easy to say which car would win a race. But this is just fanboy flame bait BS. Get over it already. The sad part is 90% of Gamespot and IGN articles anymore are these 'Flame Bait' articles.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> "If you compared two race cars side by side where one car had the more powerful engine, it would be very easy to say which car would win a race."


I'd disagree with this. A more realistic approach to this scenario is: "it's about the car AND the driver". You can throw performance as the undecided factor but, in reality, there is more to it than that. You can put anyone in the fastest car but that doesn't mean it's the best car, was used in the right way, or that the car performs in any given scenario. Everything, including high end cars have their strengths and weaknesses depending on certain scenarios (albeit the driver, the terrain, or the scenario). Longevity: Well, I guess we'll see. I'm not feeling either console right now, but that's because I see both as having serious faults. One picks up on a couple; the other picks up where they left off..." In the end, I hope to see somebody (either one of them) decide: "hey, we screwed up on A..B..C, let's fix that and make this thing Awesome!" The problem is that I don't see that happening any time soon. I don't want to hear about Exclusives. I want to hear how M$ will be competitive because right now I don't see it.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> This exactly why I don't have a "Next Gen" console. The isn't anything compelling yet that's a must have that I can't play on PC if I want to.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> well least ya dont have to worry about that for this game cause its on pc .........way better that way anyway ....way easier to get a stable shot when jumping off a building using a mouse .......but still have the option for a controller if ya need that


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<< LINK REMOVED >> How is this fanboy flame bait? It's a developer that has spoken to Gamespot and tried to be diplomatic about the shortcomings of the XBO compared to Playstation 4.

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I haven't played Titanfall on the Xbox One, but I find it incredibly difficult that it was the Xbox One that limited the developer to have the game on 60 frames with Full HD. The game uses the source engine for crying out loud! And no, I do not mean that it should be easy because the engine is old but because it is extremely scalable.


It seems completely nonsense and it just seems that Respawn is just incredibly incompetent. They are no better than when the majority was working at Infinity Ward.


Besides that there is no 'debate' there is simply fact. The Playstation 4 currently performs better than the Xbox One. That's not a debate but a simply fact. A debate would be: "1080p is better than 720p!". And even that wouldn't even be much of a debate because there are no instances where 1080p is visually superior or where 720p is similar.


Normally I am quite neutral on the matter, resolution does very little to impede my experience overall. But clearly this developer has missed that this debate is winnable, and has already been by every single Playstation 4 owner. His argument doesn't make sense in the slightest, it just doesn't.


Case in point: Titanfall is not the best looking game on the XBO, but it is the one that performs the worst. That's an incredible achievement, unfortunately not a positive one.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Indeed. The people who think 1080p and 720p are indistinguishable obviously never went tv shopping and compared. Not to mention how bad pop will be in the Fallouts and TES for Xbone

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Id buy a powerful tv that outputs 1080p and 4k capable for $400 over a 720p for $500 anyday.

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How this game isn't on the PS4 is beyond me. Let me know when Xbox One & PS4 can have cross platform console war on Titanfall. Rock'in.

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I am sure both systems are very good. I bought the PS4 though, because it only focus on games. If both systems had a pure gaming focus, I must say I would go for the one which usually plays at 1080p. Most HD tv's are either 720p or 1080p native. Any HD screen looks best on it's native resolution. THis in between reso's does not do your expensive tv justice.

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'but no one in the office will tell you we made the prettiest game out there.'



then there is no reason in developing games at all ... they totally miss the point of the potential that is in the media called video.games ... pathetic



'GPU isn't always a thing that limits your frame rate and your performance.''


no, the limiting factor is the Talent of your Crew and the will of the Producers

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<< LINK REMOVED >> That's right, Ex-CoD developers were always a bunch of lazy asses using the same old crappy engine for years. Even on the next-gen the CoD series is still using the same engine without any improvements.

I'm not saying graphics is the most important thing for games, of course it's not, but people who buy these next-gen consoles so early on their life-cycle are buying it because they want better graphics.

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Little hard to listen to someone who has vested interest in people NOT wanting the 1080p debate.

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too many idiots posting on this story.... the only way xbox will catch up is with new hardware, they fucked up big and why so many people are defending them i have no idea. Graphics matter, in 2014 IT SHOULDNT BE HARD TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD AND BE FUN so dont give me that i'd trade graphics for gameplay shit.

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