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Sony Teases A PlayStation Response To Xbox Game Pass

PlayStation has already been trying to compete with Microsoft's popular gaming subscription service, and Sony CEO Jim Ryan hints that more is in store.

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Xbox Game Pass is likely the most popular gaming subscription service right now, and all eyes are now on Sony's response to it. In a TASS interview, when asked directly on what Sony might have planned in order to compete with Xbox Game Pass, Sony Interactive CEO Jim Ryan stated that there is "news to come."

Ryan also pointed out that PlayStation does offer a competitor to Xbox Game Pass already. "We have PlayStation Now...and that is available in a number of markets," he stated.

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PlayStation Now is primarily meant for streaming. However, certain games are available for download. Xbox Game Pass games can be played locally or, if on an Android device, via streaming. PlayStation Now's market is also limited compared to Game Pass, with the service only being available in North America, Europe, and Japan.

In the past few years, Sony has already been steadily trying to compete with Xbox Game Pass. In 2019, it cut the monthly price of PlayStation Now from $20 to $10, seemingly in an effort to match Xbox's Game Pass monthly base price of $10. In 2020, Sony announced PlayStation Plus Collection, a service that gives PS Plus subscribers a selection of big PS4 titles. In a Gamesindustry.biz interview, Ryan stated, "The great first-party IPs are all there, the great partner titles, and we'd say that if you are new to PlayStation, or if you didn't have a PS4 but are getting a PS5, and you're taking out a PS Plus subscription, you're basically getting PS4 there for the price of the subscription."

Ryan also emphasized that the company will not be emulating certain parts of Xbox Game Pass' strategy. In particular, Ryan disagrees with Microsoft's tactic of releasing new games as soon as they come out on the subscription service. "We are not going to go down the road of putting new releases titles into a subscription model. These games cost many millions of dollars, well over $100 million, to develop. We just don't see that as sustainable," he commented.

It's no secret that the Xbox Game Pass is a big appeal for consumers looking to make a decision between the PlayStation or Xbox console. At $10 a month, players can access over 200 games. Xbox Game Pass Ultimate tier also incorporated EA Play titles recently, adding a bigger slate of games to the subscription service. Ultimate includes Xbox Live Gold, as well. Subscribers essentially never have to buy a new Xbox Game Studios title again, as they are all released through the service the same day they launch traditionally. You can check out our breakdown of Xbox's Game Pass for more information.

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Another problem with game pass is when they delist games. I was playing Rise of the Tomb Raider, went away for 2 weeks (pre pandemic) came back to find it's not on game pass anymore. I think now they give you notice which is good but I find with game pass you have to treat it as a platform to try stuff out and if you really like the game, purchase it.

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@njs72: Yep, they warn about 2 weeks ahead of time. I've made a habit of browsing this list every week to see if there's anything I might like (which is often very rewarding), and only a couple of times have I been so "into" a game that I was compelled to buy it. (Aven Colony was one of these -- stellar city builder!)

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@Pyrosa: Titles that leave typically stay on the platform for roughly 12 months, so even though they only officially give you a few weeks notice most of the time, you can roughly look at when a game was added to see a more long term outlook of when something might leave.

For example, some of the next likely coming up soon for removal include:

- My Friend Pedro added December 3rd 2019

- Naruto Boruto Shinobi Striker added December 5th 2019

- PES 2020 added December 12th 2019

- Overcooked 2 added December 12th 2019

- Pathologic 2 added December 12th 2019

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I'm a Sony Playstation fan but I'm subbed on Xbox game pass as ATM just because of Microsoft Flight Simulator and it's well worth it. Been dreaming of a new next gen flight sim and Microsoft finally delivered one and it's the most impressive piece of software (game wise) I've ever experienced. Still won't buy series X though. Ps5 all the way here. 👍

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The headline is weird, given Sony already HAS a Gamepass competitor l which costs half the price, which the article points out within sentences Lol.

Honestly playstation now costing half price is the only thing I like better about PlayStation right now, though my backlog is so big I don’t know when or if I’ll use either.

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@wolfpup7: PSNow charges the same price per month at $10/month as Gamepass for Xbox. Sony actually used to charge double that before matching Gamepass last year.

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@wolfpup7: please tell me which games do you get on PSNow on day 1 release the way Microsoft does with GamePass?

None?.....I thought so.

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@johnny0779: because Sony doesn't need to throw money away to attract people to their games or system.

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@tanzel: They're not attracting people to the service we're speaking about....psnow. 1 to 2 million subscribers, compared to gamepass which passed 10 million subscribers in April.

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@sealionact: I wasn't talking about attracting users to PS Now. I was saying Sony doesn't need PS Now to get people to play their games or consoles. They stand on their own

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@tanzel: Then why is Jim Ryan talking about a response to Gamepass? Sony will react to the competition like every corporation. Those that don't will end up like Nokia, who were the market leader until they failed to respond to Apple's new strategy.

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Xbox is more like an attempt to destroy sony rather than being a competitive choice for consumers. Sony is japanese console, huawei is a chinese phone maker, gosmspro had 100 million downloads, 5G and so many other examples... some people cant tolerate outsiders in their world of monopoly and would do anything to destroy others, some by direct attacks and some by indirect attacks.

Its a perspective i wanted share. just so you know i own an XBOX 360 and its fine for gaming.

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@zintura: MS is just trying to reach the billions of gaming customers outside of consoles(which only caters to it's nice base of billions). It allows MS to double or triple their income for their first party games either via sales or subs compared to Sony. It is good business practice which apparently Sony is considering following.

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@zintura: Sorry but I don't see it. Do we need to get into the whole Betamax type proprietary Sony technologies that they didn't even want competition on.

Please Sony doesn't exactly have an innocent past, so let's not fool ourselves into thinking it does. Just imagine what they'd do with Microsoft money.

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@zintura: Funny that you mention aversion to "outsiders" as a knock on Microsoft, when the entire country of Japan rejects Microsoft's consoles, largely because they're not a Japanese company. I'm not saying you're wrong about MS business tactics, but they have to utilize any advantage they have to attempt to break into the Japanese market.

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@BigJerm1: Japanese monopoly in anything is quite insignificant. I am trying to highlight US uses force, banning, cyber attacks, media hype etc. If they cant win it they destroy it, take Huawei as an example, thats the way they do things, but while this is an entirely separate debate. i hope you already know , the Japanese staff has remarked weeks ago that they are being pushed away / left behind in the whole PS5 thing. They say Japan is a home to PS but not anymore.

Globalization should'nt be Americanization.

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@BigJerm1: Japanese monopoly in anything is quite insignificant. I am trying to highlight US uses force, banning, cyber attacks, media hype etc. If they cant win it they destroy it, take Huawei as an example, thats the way they do things, but while this is an entirely separate debate. i hope you already know , the Japanese staff has remarked weeks ago that they are being pushed away / left behind in the whole PS5 thing. They say Japan is a home to PS but not anymore.

Globalization should'nt be Americanization.

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@BigJerm1: To a degree, sure, but it also involved the "X" symbol being taboo in their culture, MS mistreating some of their most famous devs, some whacky marketing, their overall cocky attitude, and the simple fact that Xbox consoles aren't hand helds.

To learn more: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-13-why-xbox-failed-in-japan

This article is pretty funny to read these days. MS had once described their development philosophy as artistic, but Sony's games are more like art whereas Xbox games feel like soulless money printing machines.

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@zintura: It's not just your perspective, it's actually history. MS is known for anti-competitive tactics.

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@Barighm: a company doesn't grow to be worth a trillion dollars by being friendly and pro consumer. It happens through being anti competitive and anti consumer.

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I don't see the appeal to me.

I love owning my games, either digitally or physically.

It's just like Netflix for videogames.
I guess it makes some people happy, but they'll always depend on cloud servers on wether or not they want to replay older games that will most probably be left out of the cloud after a couple of years.

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@LVT_PTA_PB: Netflix doesn't let you download the programs to your hard drive though.

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@Barighm: Uh.....yes they do.

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@BigJerm1: You can download Netflix shows to your hard drive? Since when? And where can you find that option in the menus? I don't see it.

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@Barighm: Its a little downwards arrow pointing at a horizontal line. Usually its next to the episode/movie name when looking at the info page depending on what app your using. Its been around since about 2016 I think it was.

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Microsoft is clearly using Gamepass in an attempt to disembowel Sony.

And when the next Elder Scrolls game releases as an exclusive day 1 to subscribers, the first deep slice will be made.

Microsoft can eat the loss if they claw back market share. I hope they do.

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@Richardthe3rd: I think people WAY overvalue the impact of ES.

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@Richardthe3rd: I don't see why it has to be so personal. Why isn't it just that a business is trying to do what is good for business, and good for consumers. Honestly those to things should always be in harmony, the fact that it isn't the case is actually the weird thing.

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@Richardthe3rd: Probably, but I imagine it has more to do with them seeing the numbers Fortnite is pulling and wanting to leverage Windows.

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Game Pass is a weird thing. Here I am playing Gears Tactics on PC for essentially no money. I don't think I would've bought it at full price, but it was worth a try via Game Pass at least. After having played it, this is a game I would've bought at full price now that I know that it's a lot like XCOM: Enemy Unknown. Sooo... congrats? I get to play your brand new game for what's essentially free considering I didn't get a subscription specifically for Gears Tactics? And if you want to argue that it's not free because I'm paying a subscription then whatever... what's $10 divided by like 5 games? $2. Big whoop. Essentially free, so **** off. From a consumer perspective, I can't complain at all... but from a business perspective, I'd have to agree with Sony. I don't understand how that's sustainable. It smells like a move that isn't sustainable but it's something that Microsoft will eat the cost of if it means that they'll make more money later with a larger audience.

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@jinzo9988: It's easily sustainable with the proper customer base.

Microsoft has at least 15 million subscribers--up from 10 million six months ago. At $10-15 per month, depending upon the plan, that's $150-220 million in revenue per month. That easily covers development of a $100M AAA title. And they aren't going to release a new game with that price tag every month.

One could argue that it's a much less risky model than producing a $100M game and having to sell 3-4 million copies just to break even. For every God of War and Uncharted 4, Sony has suffered duds like Knack and The Order.

Nobody knows exactly how finances work on the GamePass licensed games, but I doubt they are cost prohibitive. They're already trending toward $2-3 billion per year in revenue from GamePass. And the subscriber base can be doubled or tripled without adding development costs.

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@tjkraz: The Order and Knack likely didn't cost nearly as much as God of War or Uncharted.

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Whatever it is, I hope it grants FULL access to PS1/PS2 games. That would be a killer app for the PS5.

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The Gamepass games are still a pretty shit selection. I used the trial on xbox then on PC as well and could only find a couple that I wanted to play or haven't played before.

The only way I see it being worth it is if all of their AAA titles going forward are on gamepass to stay.

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@DeadlyMustard: What are you looking to play?

Sports, Story driven, FPS, RPG, RTS, MMORPG, Racing, Point and Click, Indie, Adventure, Platformer, Simulation, Puzzle, Fighting games . . .

They even have a number of JRPG's now so what's left?

At this point saying it's a shit selection kinda looks bad on you unless you can give a valid example of the types of games you're looking to play.

It's kinda like saying Netflix has a shit selection because they have movies you've seen before while glossing over the fact that you go to the theater every week and stream TV for hours every day.

Maybe try something out of your wheelhouse and see if it sticks. I know I've gotten more into puzzle games than I thought I would. I certainly didn't think that What Remains of Edith Finch was going to be my cup of tea but it's interesting what you'll enjoy once cost vanishes from the equation.

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@wahsobe: variety doesn't matter as much as quality. Checking genre boxes doesn't mean those games are any good.

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@tanzel: Please, It's mostly quality titles. Check the game review scores of all of the titles and you'll find that most review quite well.

Nice try hater

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@wahsobe: I'm not hating. You said nothing about quality before. You just threw out genres like that meant anything.

And quality is very subjective. Someone not liking something you like doesn't mean they have poor taste. It just means their taste is different than yours. The same applies to review scores. And aggregate score can give a general idea of quality but there will still be people who don't like it.

Not everyone is going to like things you do. That's OK dude.

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@tanzel: The problem is I shouldn't even need to comment on it. The quality and breadth of titles available should make it a non starter regardless of preference. There is something in there for everyone. The only real thing it comes down to is if you've already bought the titles you can play in there, which is also a bit of a cop out. If you're an avid gamer and tend to buy all your favorite titles on launch that's not really a fault of Game Pass.

The I already own anything good on there will become less of an argument once the 23 studios start pumping out a steady stream of titles that are available on launch. Once that starts players should pick up Game Pass instead of the game and before the savings run out I guarantee they'll have found more titles that they enjoy playing. In the meantime they should try playing something that they're curious about, they may be surprised at what they find. I know I have been.

I tried to be as clear about that as I could from my original reply to the poster.

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@wahsobe: not everyone games the same way. Some people don't want to branch out like that.

Core gamers do for sure. But the average gamer plays what they like and sticks to that.

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@tanzel: Again that's not my point. I recommend going back and rereading from DeadlyMustard's original post.

As a footnote the service isn't shit just because someone wants to play 2-3 games a year. If that's all they want then that's not what Game Pass is used for and they should continue to pay outright. Microsoft isn't offering an all or none ecosystem. Gamers can use the option that best suites their needs.

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@wahsobe: I am not sure where your disconnect is. I've addressed the point you made in response. My point being that variety isn't necessarily quality and some people don't even want variety.

The only thing I zeroed in on from your comment was that you listed genres on GP like that meant something or proved a point. I was not referencing any other arguments.

I get your overall point. I do. I'm just saying that it doesn't apply to everyone.

I also never said it was shit. We agree. These programs aren't for everyone. They also aren't perfect by any stretch.

PS Now has a much larger library but could use more recent games and heavier hitters.

GP has more recent games but could use higher quality exclusives and a larger backlog.

When it comes to Sony improving, I could see them including Now with Plus at some point or simply releasing new release games on the service sooner. Probably never day one though.

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@tanzel: You replied to my reply to the OP. The shit games comment is from there which is why I said to go all the way back and see where my point comes from. I may be replying to you but I've still kept my focal reasons directed at the original posters original post since that was the whole reason I posted what I did.

- - OP - -

"The Gamepass games are still a pretty shit selection. I used the trial on xbox then on PC as well and could only find a couple that I wanted to play or haven't played before.

The only way I see it being worth it is if all of their AAA titles going forward are on gamepass to stay."

- - You arguing against me - -

"variety doesn't matter as much as quality. Checking genre boxes doesn't mean those games are any good."

"I'm not hating. You said nothing about quality before. You just threw out genres like that meant anything."

Why did I not say anything about quality? Because we were talking about a specific service where the quality of the titles are already on display. The review scores speak for themselves, so then it all comes down to personal preference which is what I questioned the OP about and for some reason you challenged my point even though you already had the facts a click away. It's like you ignored the OP, ignored that I was discussing Gamepass and just made a comment like I had randomly spat out genre's but with no titles behind them. The information is available for those who seek it.

"I get your overall point. I do. I'm just saying that it doesn't apply to everyone."

I never said Gamepass was for everyone, I assumed it pretty obvious by now that there are clear cut cases where it pays little to no dividends. As for the rest of us, much like Netflix there is plenty to fulfill everyone's tastes.

Moving on.

I'm sure Sony would like to offer their own package deal but until they start adding current gen titles it's not going to mean much. Sony could and should have nipped this all in the bud. They bought Gaikai and Onlive so they should already have been miles ahead on streaming and they had a 3 year lead on PSnow. It's disappointing really. Even if they want to you're looking at a bare minimum of 1 year for them to get themselves in a position to compete with Gamepass. And I mean compete not announce that they are going to compete in the future. It will happen, it's just a matter of when.

Gamepass is constantly rotating games in and out so even though they can only boast about having almost half the catalog there's always a steady supply of new titles, many of which are current gen or at least as current as can be expected considering we're not even a month into the new gen. Again, once the 23 studios start pumping them out we're going to be drowning in first party titles.

I don't hate on the age of the bulk of Sony's back catalog because I love my BC, but I do wish it didn't feel so old.

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@DeadlyMustard: It's a good way to try out some PC games that you would normally buy from Steam or something during a sale. I've regretted purchasing a number of games, despite how cheap they are, so GamePass at $1 has proven to be really nifty for that purpose.

As a daily gaming service, on the other hand, it's a pain.

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@Barighm: It's pretty hard to hate on Gamepass. Let's be honest, if you're not finding anything in there these days that's more on your purchasing habits or strict personal taste than anything else.

Even PS die hard reviewers can't help but show love for Game Pass. Sure there's room to grow but even in it's current state it's a hell of a service. It's not even that there's room to grow, Microsoft has more coming that we already know about.

I've not had the chance to do much more than some basic testing on the Xcloud side of things but I'm all over Game Pass on Xbox and PC. I've been loving jumping back into Age of Empires and playing the definitive editions, even if I am getting super pissed about not being able to install AOE3 DE.

I'm currently in the support queue and waiting to find out what the hell is going on that won't let me download the title. I've had years of experience troubleshooting PC issues and this kind of stuff reminds me why I prefer console. Although I am hearing that the PS5 is having some nasty install issues of its own that I'm hoping get rectified ASAP.

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How about Sony teasing a response to the LACK OF PLAYSTATION 5 ON RESTOCK?

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