Q&A: Rockin' out with Rock Band

Harmonix's Alex Rigopulos and EA Partners' David DeMartini talk about Rock Band and why neighborhood parties will soon be centered around a PS3 or Xbox 360.

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Gamers and music fans alike have been eagerly awaiting the details of Harmonix Music System's next project. Today, the development team behind Guitar Hero announced Rock Band, a PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 game that expands on the formula of its monster hit by adding drumming and singing.

With MTV onboard as a partner, Harmonix was able to sign deals with the major forces in the music publishing industry and has access to the master recordings of music from popular artists. Electronics Arts is also involved and will use its global reach to help distribute the game.

GameSpot had a chance to chat with Harmonix CEO Alex Rigopulos and EA Partners vice president David DeMartini to get more details on this ambitious project.

GameSpot: Alex, please explain Rock Band in your own words.

2005's megahit Guitar Hero.
2005's megahit Guitar Hero.

Alex Rigopulos: Sure. I guess what I would say about it is that Guitar Hero is a game that we made with a tiny budget and a fraction of a year to build it. And we're fortunate enough now to be in a position as part of MTV, where basically we're being given the creative freedom and the resources to really make the huge game that we've wanted to make for years, which is Rock Band.

It's essentially taking the core play premise of Guitar Hero but just expanding it hugely along every axis. We're building it out into a complete band experience, with guitar and bass and drums and singing, including very deep and expansive online game play. Huge recording artists are going to be in the game, including original multitrack master recordings in a lot of cases, which has been amazing.

We've also really just amped out the graphical impact on the next-gen consoles in a way that we're just very fired up about, because we think that this game is going to--in some ways--just fundamentally alter the way that people who play it experience music.

GS: There are going to be three peripherals with the game. How will they ship? Will there be different SKUs?

AR: We haven't made final decisions yet about the SKU configuration.

GS: But there will be three distinctly different peripherals, correct?

AR: Yes, there will be a guitar controller for playing the guitar and the bass parts, a drum peripheral for playing the drum parts, and a microphone for singing.

GS: Can you go into more detail about the drum peripheral?

AR: I guess I can just say that it's a really impressive piece of hardware. I'm a drummer myself, so we weren't going to settle for anything less than something that felt like a real instrument.

GS: Obviously there is going to be a lot of downloadable content, right?

Alex Rigopulos speaking at the 2007 D.I.C.E. Summit.
Alex Rigopulos speaking at the 2007 D.I.C.E. Summit.

AR: Indeed. This is an area where we have very ambitious plans. Because for us, this game really blurs the line between gaming and music, and music-making. And we view Rock Band not just as a game, but as kind of a platform for consuming and experiencing music. So in addition to the music that ships with the game, we have very big plans for building out a huge library of online expansion content.

GS: Is any of that going to be free? Lots of musicians are living paycheck to paycheck.

AR: I expect it's very likely that there will be.

GS: The players onscreen...how will they be represented? Will they have avatars, or will there be camera support?

AR: We're not really ready to dive much more into gameplay details at this point in time.

GS: Fair enough. Because you're bringing together a drummer, bass player, guitarist, and such, is there going to be a way for people to search for bandmates online?

AR: Absolutely. The whole experience is actually about reaching out to other people and forming a band together in that kind of collaborative experience of working with a group of people to form a band--to rise from obscurity into stardom and fame, and to go through that experience together.

So yes, [Rock Band will feature the] kind of community features that allow people to connect. You can play the game with a group of people in your living room if you want, but with next-gen consoles, we're really excited to allow a group of people--potentially a guitarist in Germany, a bassist in Texas, a drummer in New York, and a singer in Tokyo--all get together and form a band and compete on the world stage against other bands.

GS: Will gamers be able to do their own original stuff?

AR: I cannot really talk about that at this time.

GS: Were there any other reasons why you decided to make it strictly PS3 or Xbox 360? Is it mainly the online capabilities of those two consoles?

AR: Well, the PS3 and the 360 are the two platforms that we're prepared to talk about right now. But they're technologically the leading-edge platforms, and we're pushing so many boundaries with this game from a design and technology standpoint that those are the platforms that we felt we had to lead off with.

GS: Is there a possibility that it could reach other platforms?

AR: Certainly. We're considering a lot of options, but we're not ready to make any specific announcements about that at this point.

GS: You are obviously attracted to MTV because they were able to help you secure these really good deals with the labels.

AR: Yeah, they have longstanding, deep relationships with the music industry, and it's been incredible working with MTV to forge these new relationships with the record companies. All of the major record companies are onboard with this project: Universal, Warner, Sony, BMI, Hollywood, even. Basically, every major label group that is significant is onboard and opening up their vaults of original masters to us for this game, which is really exciting for us.

It's also exciting for us because the record companies have by and large not been able to really benefit financially from the video game industry over the last decade, and we're offering them an opportunity to participate in a meaningful way in the video game business by offering their content to people to experience on a deeper level.

Dave DeMartini: To a large extent, Alex is creating a platform from which the music labels can launch things or even just get distribution and span generations with various titles. This is the ultimate family collaboration game, because you have the ability for people of a variety of ages to play the game simultaneously, and people of a variety of skill levels get the opportunity to play the game simultaneously.

GS: Say you play a song and really like it. Will there be a way to buy it right there from the game?

AR: Well, again, we'll have lots to say about that down the road a little bit.

DD: That sounds like a really good idea, though.

GS: EA is going to be distributing the title and obviously has a huge reach globally. Will there be region-specific playlists, or can someone in the US rock out to some hardcore Japanese punk?

DD: Alex is making all the key creative decisions with regard to content going into the products, and we're just trying to be a supportive partner with regards to suggestions and other things. Certainly content that is specific to different regions of the world is incredibly important, and I certainly think Harmonix recognizes that.

AR: For us, music games are at least as much about the music as they are about the game...It's critical that when we go into international territories, we're working with local artists in those [areas] who have the greatest meaning and impact for the audiences in those regions.

GS: Back to the labels and the catalogs. Do you know how much of their catalog they're offering you?

AR: Essentially we have a very broad blanket relationship with all the major label groups, so at this point we're working with artists on an individual basis to get them involved in the game.

DD: I also think Alex is moving in a direction of trying to get away from a one-off track and giving the game player the opportunity to look at a recording artist's entire catalog of songs and potentially allow you to play the entire catalog rather than a specific song.

AR: Absolutely true.

GS: How did the music publishers react to your proposition for the deal?

AR: At this point we're opening up Rock Band as a platform for music entertainment in making both the record labels and the music publishers major partners in that financially. So for them it's actually an incredible opportunity to really benefit from gamers' fanaticism about the interactive entertainment by delivering their content to gamers in a way that they're thrilled to consume.

David DeMartini announces that Harmonix has teamed up with EA Partners at GDC 2007.
David DeMartini announces that Harmonix has teamed up with EA Partners at GDC 2007.

DD: It's an interesting evolution in the industry, which MTV and Harmonix have largely been a part of. Prior to MTV, people listened to music. Then with MTV, people were watching music. And now Alex has basically defined a space in gaming where people are interacting with music in an entirely new way.

So, experience with music has evolved over these three revolutions, and I think it's made people's enjoyment of music move to that next level. People who don't have any musical skills at all--ergo me--have an opportunity to be a rock star, and that's something I'm never going to experience with "a real instrument" in my hands. But to have that ability to have that experience...I mean, to a large extent, Alex and the team are bringing a certain rock-band life experience to people who would have never otherwise experienced it.

GS: Rock Band is clearly ripe for some sort of talent contest or maybe even a reality show. Anything in the pipeline like that for MTV?

AR: It's certainly the case that these are some ideas that we're thinking very actively about right now.

GS: And any chance to expand Rock Band into other genres, like maybe hip-hop or dance music?

AR: Well, certainly. For us, this is just at the very front of what will be a major transformation in music entertainment. I really believe that four or five years from now, this kind of active participation in music-making is going to be how people expect to experience the music that they love. So, certainly, Rock Band is a huge first step in that direction. But the sky is the limit in terms of the span of genres we eventually intend to reach with this.

DD: Just from what we've seen in the demos that Alex and his team have put on, it is going to be the ultimate party experience. I could see Rock Band parties forming in a neighborhood near you, where people just get out there to entertain their friends and just love the music and interact with the music that they love.

GS: Alex, I saw your speech at the D.I.C.E. Summit, and you went about a dozen years in the industry before your first big hit with Guitar Hero. Do you feel any sort of pressure for your follow-up?

AR: There's always pressure. I think the prevailing sentiment is just a sense of excitement about everything having finally come together for music games in the US.

We've been working at this for more than a decade and finally now to have the resources and the creative freedom to be making exactly the game that we want to make. [It's great] to not be limited by resources, to have a partner like MTV supporting us, have a partner like EA who is literally unparalleled in the world at what they do in marketing and distribution of games. To have all the major record companies supporting us and offering up their content to us, honestly, I and the rest of the creative team here just feel incredibly privileged and excited to be able to just be swinging for the fences with such an ambitious project that we really think can fundamentally transform music entertainment.

Excitement is the prevailing sentiment.

GS: Thank you very much, Alex and David.

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looks pretty good to me... lets see if Harmonix can make another great hit

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man this sounds pretty sweet but i am wondering about the price on this thing. I mean the x-box 360 guitar hero2 is $90. now put in a microphone and drum controller and i think this could be a pretty pricy investment right here. oh well if they pull this off though with big name bands and songs i will be buying it.

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i was excited until i read that mtv was in on it, and now im disappointed

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For the first time this entire year, I'm excited for a game coming out. Since I play all those instruments in real life, I'm terribly terribly excited for this. Please pull it off. PLEASE! It is Harmonix though, and they're pretty good with pulling things off though, so I'm not too worried. Just extremely excited.

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awesome.........lets hope for 311 in the song list!

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I play more than one instrument, and I don't necesarily think that people absolutely MUST go out and learn "the real thing". With Guitar Hero, I can play and have fun with the game and not HAVE to learn another instrument in order to enjoy myself. There are clearly benefits to learning an instrument, but sometimes, all you wanna do is have some fun.

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OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ive always talked about this exact thing!!!!!!!! except my version had a DDR dance pad also which now that i think about it sounds kinda wierd but still. omg. cant wait

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SWEET!! must have Godsmack on there!!

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it's bad enough the people that play guitar hero get told that they should play the real guitar now this it wont be as popular as guitar hero

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As long as Slayer, Pantera, AC/DC and Sepultura are on the list, I'm on with this game

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"Just go out and learn to play the real instruments ffs! MUCH more fun / rewarding." Just go out and learn how to do 900s, stop playing skating games, stop playing surfing, snowboarding games, ah hell, just go out and learn how to shoot people, nobody needs Rainbow Six. Problem is, some of us don't want to take lessons, also, some people just want to have fun with their funs, and alot of peoples friends don't know how to play the guitar.

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I hate people who tell people to try to learn to play real guitar if they play guitar hero. Some people just dont have the time to learn. I play guitar, im in a band, but i also love guitar hero. They are just fun games, people need to quit preaching about learning real guitar and just understand that some people just want to rock out without having to learn to play.

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sounds optimistic, but i don't know if this can be pulled off...i guess we'll see

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I'm in a band, and I love laughing at people like Chrizcol who tell me to "play a real guitar." While I've actually been playing a real bass in my spare time, they've been preaching on the INTERNETS.

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Looks very promising and fun. I may...MAAAAAAAAAAY get this. I never was into those guitar hero games, but this one just seems different and may grasp my wallet and make me dish out $60.

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I loved the Guitar Hero games so I am definitely looking forward to Rock Band.

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Just go out and learn to play the real instruments ffs! MUCH more fun / rewarding.

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the only thing im worried about is the playlist. rock is such a vast genre. i hope it will have LOTS of songs.

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That could very well be the greatest rythm game ever

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It's a good idea, but if they simulate being in a band, what's going to stop people from simulating other real life acts? I'm upset about this game, completely upset. So you'd rather play guitar on a couch than on a stage? This is just annoying the heck out of me.

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phaqutomb says: "you figure if Time crisis 4 with the light gun for the PS3 is 89.99 at game stop i can just imagine how much this is going to cost" Sounds like you need a cheaper hobby like stamp collecting

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Bye, Bye, Social Life....Nice knowin ya

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A great idea, but I'm not sure exactly how well singing would fit into the mix. Guitar, drums, keyboards (if they added that), that all makes sense, but Guitar Hero's approach to guitar was highly stylized -- you push a few buttons in a simple rhythm that corresponds to, but does not really emulate, the act of playing the guitar part. It's not playing guitar any more than playing DDR is dancing. But there is no analog for singing -- it's going to be karaoke, basically, and either you can sing the part, or you can't (and if we're talking about rock songs, most people will fall into the can't camp). If you were asked to play the actual guitar parts, most people would sound similarly embarrassing. So I'm not sure how well this will actually work, but it's nice to see them continuing to push the genre forward.

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I wonder if they are going to let you play U2 musics. I would like to pretend to be the edge one of these days

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I'm interested in finding out about the guitar. Will it be more complex than the GH controller? Will I be able to use my GH controller for Rock Band?

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It does sound expensive, but If you already have guitar hero, then you already have one of the three controllers. I saw this coming after playing the first one. You see these in the arcades, I always thought it would be cool to put them all together. I dont think you need all three controllers to play along, but it would be sweet to play the drums.

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My god! This is truely going to be the greatest party game ever created!!!

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Wow, going with the reference to a novelization of the AIDS outbreak in America, classy.

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wow,as a drummer myself for 10 year i can honoustly say that if this is pulled off well,it will be my favourite game of all time.

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It's probably an april fool's joke. that whole thing would cost a fortune.

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Air guitar's next evolution was Guitar Hero. Now, Air drumming has evolved too. Air banders everywhere, REJOICE!

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I hope they can pull this off.

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Wow...this TRULY is revolutionary. Now I can FINALLY be the frontman for a band :D

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stupid.. guiter hero is better AND always will be

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Sounds ambitious... maybe too ambitious. If they can pull this off it would be sweet, but I'm just a bit skeptical.

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lol....yea it does sound expensive, yet i hope it works, the global idea sounds cool, i want to rock out to some *** music.....yea Maximum the Hormone!!!!

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Sounds expensive.

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I don't really see how this resembles an april fool's joke. This sounds awesome. if they just say it's fake that'll be ****in' lame, not funny.

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I think there way to overcomplicating things, so im not getting my hopes up

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This sounds more like April Fools but since it's the 2nd I guess not.

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DoctorFu said: "That's a scary thought: Spending a year perfecting your own original musical work just to hear it on the radio note for note a month later. Is there a way to license your digital sounds? How will each band member get a cut of the profit if they decide to sell it mainstream? Is it even possible to sell your music if it was created in a game? This is all of course assuming you'll be able to make your own music. Hopefully this game's guitar controller will be more creative that the Guitar Hero controller (ie. vertical frets). You know it would be nice if they allowed you to hook up a real guitar!" There's no way the instruments will be complex. Maybe a bit more complex than GH's controller, but the game still needs to be accessible for everyone to play, not just people who have extensive musical experience. I get the feeling they're really overplaying the whole "you get to make a band" thing. I would be shocked if the game amounted to more than just GH with multiple instruments. Creating your own music may be possible, but it would be kind of hard unless the instrument controllers are very complex, which leads back to the issue of a marketable audience. More than likely, the most creative players will get to be is making remixes of songs, a la Frequency/Amplitude.

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God this just made my week...no month!! Awesome freaking news!!

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YES!! I look forward to seeing some gameplay footage in the near future. Maybe on something like On The Spot?? hmm

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That wasn't pee my friend...

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DRUMS, SINGING AND GUITAR IN ONE GAME??!?! Ohmygod. I think I just peed my pants a little.

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I forgot to add, but will other band members need to have headsets while the main singer has a mic? I mean, there are a lot of instances in songs where not just the singer sings, like a chorus.

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/sigh I knew this would happen... it will be good if you can make it work but it looks to me like there trying to do too many things at once and might take away fromthe overall exsperience.

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I think these guys have been spying on me.......After the first Guitar Hero came out I said they should make a game for a full rock band.......my dream has come true!

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"Didn't find any mention of Activisions lawsuit regarding stolen intellectual property involving these guys." That's because no Harmonix employees are involved in that lawsuit. Go look it up.

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To me it sounds a little like they avoided the point of mentioning how music from say like Japan would be playable in the US or UK. They just mentioned the importance of music from the region being in the game. I would really like to know if I could play music from other regions other than the UK. I would love to be able to play things like X Japan or Asian Kung-Fu Generation. That would be sweet!