Q&A: Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel

The West's most famous gamer talks to GameSpot about being a workaholic, how games are just like a mathematical equation to him, and what he wants to do next.

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Saying that Jonathan Wendel is competitive is a very large understatement. He admits that he got into pro gaming through sports largely as another way to satisfy his love of competition. He is currently the title holder of 10 major pro-gaming championships, and has won titles in five different games: Doom 3, Painkiller, Aliens versus Predator 2, Quake III Arena, and Quake 4.

His first monetary win in professional gaming came in 1999 when he entered the Cyberathlete Professional League tournament and won $4,000 for third place. From then on, he realised that he could make money out of playing games and set about becoming a full-time gamer.

He also started his own business, Fatal1ty, Inc, through which he sells a range of gaming products including mice, video cards, headphones, and clothes. The latest addition to the range is the Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium sound card, developed by Creative.

GameSpot UK caught up with Wendel on a visit to the Omega Sektor gaming venue in Birmingham.

GameSpot UK: Is there any game that you get owned at?

Jonathan Wendel: No, I can't think of any. I get asked that question a lot. But to me, games are like maths, like a mathematical equation, so pretty much any game I pick up I can play well.

GS UK: A mathematical equation? How so?

JW: Every game has been programmed. And there's a code to beat the game in some sort of fashion. There's always a kind of mathematical way to beat every game. Of course there's still the hand-eye coordination, the timing, the smarts, and the strategy and all that kind of stuff, but a lot of it comes down to mathematics. If you approach it in a mathematical way, you improve your odds for what's going to happen next.

Like, in a basketball game, I know the game doesn't just want me to go on the court and shoot the ball. I know it wants me to pass it around at least once or twice, and get it to the open guy, and by doing all these sorts of things I can make the odds better, I can get a better percentage chance that I will make the shot. In the games I play [professionally], I know there are three or four different items I have to time, and by timing these items, the odds of me winning the fight now instead of being 50/50 are 60/40. There are a lot of different things that go into the game where people don't really realise how important mathematics really is.

GS UK: What game are you going to play next?

JW: At the moment I'm still picking my next game, so I don't know yet!

GS UK: The president of the Olympics recently came out and said that people can never achieve anything playing video games. As a pro gamer, what's your opinion on this?

JW: For me, when I talk to kids who want to be professional gamers, I talk to them about playing sports too. I think it helps a person become very well rounded--to be a gaming champion you really need background in being competitive, in other sports or in some other competitive area. Most of the pro gamers who make a living playing video games come from a very competitive background.

GS UK: So you're saying they're not mutually exclusive?

JW: Exactly. A lot of the top competitive gamers in the world do both. The thing is when we go to LA and we're getting ready for the Championship Gaming Series,9 a lot of the guys will go and work out in the morning--we'll play basketball, and we'll play other sports to keep our fitness levels up. Because the thing is, if you're going to be a top gamer, you have to be naturally healthy because it takes so much hand-eye coordination, reflexes, and so forth, and playing sports is a good way to get good reflexes and other skills.

GS UK: In a previous interview, you said that you had a deal with your dad where you'd go to one tournament, and if you won you'd go into pro gaming, and if you didn't, you wouldn't. What was your plan if you didn't win the tournament?

JW: I was going to go to college full-time--at the time I was part-time. I was studying IT so my plan B was to become a desktop-support guy, and then work my way up the chain as quickly as possible.

GS UK: Why did you decide to go down the business route and sell your own product range as well?

JW: A lot of people asked for my advice on what products to use and what to buy. I used to do sponsors when I first started, but eventually I felt like I was being taken advantage of and I wasn't really getting paid what I was worth.

So I decided I would just create my own company--all these people seemed to care about what I had to say, and all these companies aren't really gaming companies, they're all just people in suits. So I figured I would start a company that was really for the gamers, and for the community, and to give back funds that came in. And I do that by sponsoring players and sponsoring teams, I've spent over $100,000 already sponsoring other gamers and travelling around the world and giving them products and so forth. I work with engineers and designers to develop my products so my products really are made to increase your skill level.

GS UK: Has it been successful?

JW: Very. It's been going really well. I think we hit close to $20 million last year in sales.

GS UK: Did you ever have any instances where you'd go to tournaments and not get paid?

JW: Most of the time there's no problems, but I'd say there's about $15,000 that I was owed that I never got.

GS UK: Would you ever consider making an XFX EU team like you did with XFX in the US?

JW: I do sponsor players in the EU; most of the gamers that I have sponsored were European players. I was asking about this the other day, and it sounds like we were maybe going to do something like that in Europe. I can't remember the exact details, but I seem to remember we were talking about doing something very similar. We are doing a tour of Europe I believe at the end of this year, so maybe we'll have something like that.

GS UK: Do you think what makes a pro gamer is more innate skill or practice?

JW: I think it's definitely a natural talent to be good at games. First of all there's so much hand-eye coordination, reflexes, timing, and strategies involved in the games I play. But of course practice definitely does help.

I think from the first day I sat down in front of a computer screen I had a natural talent for shooting people in a virtual world. [Laughs.] I think some people just naturally have really good hand-eye coordination and reflexes, and they're able to respond in milliseconds. People say if I wasn't a pro gamer I'd be an amazingly good jet-fighter pilot because of my hand-eye coordination and so forth.

I think for gamers that play these kind of games, strategy and tactics will only get you so far, and that will get you pretty far, but then it comes down to who has the raw talent of fighting in the virtual space.

GS UK: Don't you ever get bored of the games you play professionally?

JW: I'd say eventually it becomes that half of it is fun and half of it is work, because you're putting in long hours every day. But the thing is for me, I love the competition, so I've found a way to love to train. I've figured out my own personal code of not being bored so that I can have fun every day playing my games.

But it's definitely exhausting; between the ages at 18 and 25 it was just seven years of constantly training and working hard at my games. The biggest break I'd ever take out would be two weeks, and I took maybe three of those in the whole time.

GS UK: That doesn't sound like fun! That sounds like being a workaholic!

JW: [Laughs.] I think to be a world champion at anything, you have to be something of a maniac. The thing is, there's always someone out there trying harder, that what's my dad always said to me. So I said, I'll show you dad, I'll definitely train more. [Laughs.]

So when he put that in my mind, that someone was out there training more than me, I was like "Bullcrap, I will make sure no one can train more than me. I will train every day all day, and never stop!" [Laughs.] I think that might be a lot of the reason behind my dedication to be the best and never give up. That's really one of my, I think, best traits--I never give up.

GS UK: Do you think in the future people will accept pro gaming as a legitimate career choice?

JW: Most definitely. Even today there are about two or three people making a living out of playing video games around the world--which is not a whole lot, but I think gaming's really stepping up to the next level. I think it's really going to get big, and I think in about 20 years, when the audience gets older, people like me, I'm the spectator of the future.

People who are growing up today, who are in their late 20s and early 30s, know about these games and have played them. So they're going to be fans later on too, because they understand the games. But people in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, usually they don't understand, and they're antigames anyways. But that's changing. I think in 10 or 20 years, gaming is going to get to the level where it's considered a real profession to the mainstream audience.

GS UK: What advice do you have for wannabe pro gamers?

JW: You have to be involved in the online community. You have to watch what the best players do and what they're playing. Watch their demos, watch their recordings. Basically see how they do it. Try to go to LAN parties, and go to the big tournaments in your area or country. You're going to learn way more in person at an event because you're living and breathing it instead of just watching it on the Internet.

The thing is also, when you're at home, if you're not involved in the online community, you're only getting feedback from yourself. So if you go watch the best players play, and see how they do it, talk to friends, you talk to 10 friends, you get feedback from 10 different people about how to play the game better. Having some people talk about your game, you're obviously going to get a lot more input into how to beat the game, and how to play the game better.

When you go to a LAN event, it's more fun anyway. I've said this before and I'll say it again, when you're playing over the Internet, that's not really a tournament, not really real like it is in a LAN. Play as many tournaments as you can--if you're going to get better, you're going to learn from being in tournaments.

GS UK: Have you ever thought about getting into game development?

JW: I've had a lot of different companies very interested in me getting involved with them and helping them design games or get involved in some other form or fashion. It's definitely something I've been intrigued about. I would definitely like to make my own game eventually. Right now, though, I'm really happy with making a product line for the pro gamers. I'd like to do game development sometime down the road in the future.

GS UK: What kind of game do you want to make?

JW: A first-person shooter, for sure. But I would like to use different technologies and stuff--there are lots of ideas I have. I've got some killer ideas, although I know everyone says that.

GS UK: So how long do you plan to carry on pro gaming, and what other plans do you have for after?

JW: After, I think I will continue to run my company, to run the Fatal1ty brand. Continue to be a spokesperson for all the gamers across the globe, and keep doing my part to grow gaming. I eventually want to have a house on a beach somewhere and play sports and all that stuff that everyone does when they get older. But I really love to play games, so I don't think that love is ever going to go away. It's a love for life--I'm married!

GS UK: What are your hobbies and interests outside of gaming?

JW: As I said, I love sports. I'm a huge competitive nut. I've been playing sports my whole life. I played baseball for six years, I played tennis in high school, I used to play pool/billiards. Right now I'm really good at golf, I've gotten down to about a five handicap.

GS UK: How do you find the time for hobbies like sports in your grueling schedule?

JW: Well, I didn't! [Laughs.]Between the ages of 18 and 25, I'd maybe play one game of tennis every two weeks. I'd find that it took away from my gaming. I basically resorted to just running, going outside and go run two or three miles, because that was the fastest way to get my exercise. To play tennis, I'd have to go and get tennis balls, drive to the court, play tennis, drive back from the court...so I decided, you know what? The fastest way I can get a workout is to just go run.

GS UK: You've recently announced the X-Fi soundcard as part of the Fatal1ty range. Can a sound card really make a difference to a pro gamer?

JW: Definitely, a sound card makes a huge difference. That's why I worked with Creative to design our cards--our newest card is the X-Fi. The reason that sound is so important is because when you're playing a game you have to know where your opponent is.

Of course you can use the normal sound, and you can get by with 2D and hi-def sound and so forth, but you're not getting true 3D sound like you would with the X-Fi. X-Fi allows you to hear if a person is five feet around the corner, or 20 feet around the corner. So when you get into a fight, you know exactly where your opponent is. You know if he's above you, below you, behind you, on the second level... You can hear their reverbs off the walls, so you know he's in that room because the sound of his shooting or jumping is making this echo sound, so he's in the hallway...

The sound card just gives you so much information, and that's what it comes down to, basically. Whoever has the most information is going to win. If you have that information, then that's one more advantage you have over your opponent.

And you know, a good sound card's not just for gaming--it's great for listening to entertainment, your MP3s, and everything else. I got one for my brother for his birthday and all he does is listen to his music now. [Laughs.]

GS UK: Do you think to be a pro gamer you really need to have the best, top-of-the-range, most expensive kit?

JW: I think yes, to an extent, you do. You can't be playing with old mice and crappy, small mouse pads. And if you don't have a great graphics card, then you're not going to be seeing stuff at the same frame rate as the best gamer, and see all the stuff he sees. Having the best equipment definitely pays.

GS UK: Thanks for your time.

JW: Hey! I just thought of a game that I'm no good at! I'm useless at singing and I'm not musical at all, so games like Rock Band I get owned at!

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I met this dude when he showed up @ E 4 All. He's the exact opposite of what a lot of people are saying here: He's not a bad dude at all. Very sociable to his fans. and @ gr8jedimaster: Yeah, there is a heavy air of jealousy here.

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What a smug little prick xD But people in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, usually they don't understand, and they're antigames anyways. - my dad is 46 and addicted to gaming. He can get that up him. What he's forgetting is that people in their 40s and early 50s have grown up with games like Space Invaders, Pong and Asteroids - he's not sure what he's talking about, and clearly doesn't know where gamings true roots lie.

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lol Loogie...who wants to watch someone play a videogame? I ask myself about that with professional sports all the time. They are insanely talented...I'll give you that. But why are we paying guys millions to play a child's game? I think atlhletes should cap at $200k and call it a day. Obviously I'm in the minority on that opinion.

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"d4BiDDEN Why do you suck so much at realistic games like Counter Strike? Why do you suck so much at team based games like Battleflied? Why do you suck so much at all FPS with proper recoil and spread?" lol ok, i watched him play 4v1 the other night on CSS and he KILLED them almost every round.

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Me + Halo3 + Fatal1ty = 25 beatdown kills for me

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Hmm, I've never really taken too much of an interest in this whole "cyber athlete" phenomenon. I mean who wants to watch someone else play a videogame? Oh well, he's making a living out of it and he does seem to be successful at it so kudos to him, I suppose.

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if hes the west most famous gamer why do the mention him only here?

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Street Fighter II + Me + Fatal1ty = Fatal1dead.

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When you make your life about playing videogames, you might just excel at them. He also spelt Fatality wrong.

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I agree with sirfatalchaos... WHO THE F**K IS THIS GUY???

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Just looking at his face makes me cringe. Oh and i've seen some of his "Gaming products" A Geforce 8500GT Fatality card. Not even slightly a gaming graphics card for gods sake... Tbh, this is just a footballer dumbass who also loves to play games a bit TOO much. If you ask me, people like this need to go out and get a real job at SOME point in their lives. They always have their heads in the cloud, and think they're important and special, when all they are is a way to sell products. Basically, he's a Celebrity gamer, that last thing i would ever look up to. Next thing we'll get some cross-dresser on YouTube going "LEAVE FATALITY ALONE *sob sob*"

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I guarantee that as competitive as he is, give him a few weeks with any game and he could be very good at it. Any competitive person will be able to do that, put their mind and time into something and win. It is in some people's makeup.

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Fatality is god, nuff said...

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i'll love to see ANYONE pwn him with half-ass equipment ... then he might need to learn how to shuttup about the best equipment (aka my brand) wins

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i wana see his skill in an RTS...his talent lies in reaction times and hand-eye coordination as he says but thats not as imprtant in an RTS, its all about strategy and management of troops positions/field of fire etc etc....he ses he cant think of any game she gets owned at, i bet hed get his ass handed to him in an RTS by anyone who is half decent

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why is everyone saying that the can beat him at realistic game. Realistic games are unpredictable and there are much less tournemants for them. Realistic games rely on a large amount of luck and a little skill. Mouse and keyboard is easy just go look at the videos of quake tournemant on youtube these people have reactions and accuracy that nearly all of you would never achieve. And i bet everyone who says they will beat him are actually mediocre anyway

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wot a cck!

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PROFESSIONAL GAMING WOULD'NT WORK FOR ME BECAUSE I ACTUALLY LOOK FORWARD TO GAMING.. SO I WOULD'NT WANT TO JEPODISE THAT BY BECOMING A FANATICAL CODE BREAKING EGOTISTICAL SMUG MATHEMATICALLY MINDED MUPPET LIKE "JONATHAN 'FAT AL' WENDEL" WHO WORKS OUT IN THE GYM TO IMPROVE HIS GAMING?! L.M.F.A.O. !

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he needs to get out more!

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I know this will tick off a lot of PC gamers, but I'd be more impressed with this guy if he played games on consoles than on a PC, it requires far less skill to own with a keyboard and mouse than it does with a controller.

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Who the hell is Fatal1ty?

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I'll pwn him in Guitar Hero III ... Bring on Dragonforce.

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I've seen his 8500 GeForce card. But I bought the PNY 8500. Later I upgraded to 8800. But I only use it for Oblivion. Everything else I play on PC worked just fine on the 8500. note: most of what I play is old (i.e. UT1999, UT2004, Quake 3 Arena, Fallout 2, Starcraft, etc...).

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you can slag this guy off all you want but he's got more money than most of us put together, he runs his own business and even has his own geforce card. he ahs obviosly worked hard to get where he is and all you haters just dream of being as rich and famous as him hw many of you have 10 championships under your belt.the air is thick with envy around here.

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I'd hand him his *** on R6 Vegas 1 or 2

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CloudyWoIf This kid is a little punk, don't listen to him. Too bad he doesn't play any REAL games, you feel me? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No....I don't FEEL u. There's alot of jealousy here.

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i don't hold doom or quake as "standards" in FPS. i'd like to play him in half life 1.

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he is so cool!!! that last sentence! he broke the order of the interview and found a game he wasnt very good at thatts the HONESTY you dont have and why you guys will never be able to accomplish anything

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Plonker.

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If this is "the face" of videogaming, this makes me not want to play anymore out of embarassment. Looks like that big doofy blonde guy that was on "Friends."

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I swear it's a different kid everytime someone talks to this "Fatal1ty."

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I think this interview is more about the feasability of being a pro-gamer and not about how good a player he is, and also how the gaming industry has changed from a leisure to a serious virtual sport. As recent facts clearly states Current GGL ranking: 6th 4th WSVG Kentucky June 18, 2006 4th WSVG Intel Summer Challenge July 9, 2006 9"12th QuakeCon August 05, 2006 5th WSVG London October 8, 2006 3rd Digital Life October 15, 2006 5th World Cyber Games October 19, 2006 2nd WSVG Finals New York, December 10, 2006 1st Championship Gaming Invitational Los Angeles, December 17, 2006

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he obviously only owns in fantasy type FPS. any "realistic" FPS, strategy or RPG etc would probably see him look average but still gotta hand it to him he is the best 1v1 fantasy FPS player (and proabably an excellent overall FPS player). but i wonder how he would go in a team.

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"this kid should drop the mouse and try to play h3... he only does good b/c competition on PC isnt as hard as it is on consoles" Spoken like a guy with on board video.

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Making a living as a pro gamer pretty cool though i'd rather play for a few hours a day for fun than all day for training

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Why do you suck so much at realistic games like Counter Strike? Why do you suck so much at team based games like Battleflied? Why do you suck so much at all FPS with proper recoil and spread? -d4bidden Why? Cuz those games take less skill. A noob in CS can get kill against a really good player very easily. In a game like quake 3, noobs get owned hard. In CS most of the shooting is at the same level, in quake you got to look vertically too, predict jumping paths - the fact everything happens MUCH faster, know firing techniques of different weapons from rocket launchers to railguns and rapid fire weapons. In quake 3 jumping is an art in itself, look up youtube vids of clans that JUST do trick jumps only nevermind shooting...and thats why COD4 blows. Dumbed down and slow as hell.

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With the amount of hours he puts into gaming I figure he has never gotten laid...

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I wish I knew how to get involved with pro-gaming in the UK. |: ..lol, if anyone reading this knows anything about it, drop me a line

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I would get bored constantly playing the same game. I'll stick to playing a lot of sigle player games.

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You hate him only because he has your dream job. Stop whining and go practice.

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Gaming is like Math. Well that doesn't sound like fun at all. Stick to the chalk & blackboard Wendel...solve our energy crisis problems.

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I disagree with his comment about being 'spokesperson' for all gamers. Since when? If this title goes to anyone it goes to Gabe & Tycho at Penny Arcade hands down.

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Why do you suck so much at realistic games like Counter Strike? Why do you suck so much at team based games like Battleflied? Why do you suck so much at all FPS with proper recoil and spread?

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interesting comments but I don't agree with everything he says, but with some of it

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Hey guys, the dudes not a kid, hes 27y old. Seriously. @CloudyWoIf - its not like the game you play (Barbi horse adventure) is more of a real game then the games he plays

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Man. A lot of you guys sound really jealous! Many of you seem to think he has a big ego. I don't get that from him. Sounds to me like he's just being honest. Just because someone works really hard and becomes successful is no reason to attack him. If you worked hard and were successful too, you'd sound just like him. Believe me.

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This kid is a little punk, don't listen to him. Too bad he doesn't play any REAL games, you feel me?

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bottom line hes the most successful gamer and he has the right to talk smack and promote his products.@haters no use u the best in whatever game and not making any money.

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I'd own him in NHL 94 for Genny

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this kid should drop the mouse and try to play h3... he only does good b/c competition on PC isnt as hard as it is on consoles

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