PS5's SSD Speeds Can't Be Matched Even By High-End PCs, Epic Says

Epic Games' Tim Sweeney is convinced the PS5 will be the blueprint for SSD solutions in the future.

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With Epic Games revealing its next-generation-ready Unreal Engine 5, more of the capabilities of both the upcoming PS5 and Xbox Series X have come into focus. Specifically, their custom storage solutions, with Epic's Tim Sweeney saying PCs aren't able to replicate them today. This could give the PS5 an unexpected advantage against the PC, a platform that has consistently been able to outperform consoles for generations.

In an interview with The Verge, Sweeney explained that the PS5 and its custom SSD solution will inform the future of PCs, and that no commercially available products can replicate the speed Sony has achieved yet.

"The storage architecture on the PS5 is far ahead of anything you can buy on anything on PC for any amount of money right now," said Sweeney. "It's going to help drive future PCs. [The PC market is] going to see this thing ship and say, 'Oh wow, SSDs are going to need to catch up with this.'"

That's not to say commercial storage options won't catch up. Sony itself is expecting them to, with the company electing to list compatible SSDs for PS5 expansion over creating custom peripherals. Microsoft, on the other hand, have already revealed a partnership with Seagate to create custom Xbox Series X SSDs that will be used to expand on internal storage.

Sweeney had a lot to say about the PS5 during today's Unreal Engine 5 reveal, including how Epic Games is working closer with Sony on its hardware than Microsoft. Despite that, Sweeney says Unreal Engine 5 will deliver great performance on a range of hardware.

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Cue angry remarks from PC elitist dorks trying to reach the bottom of the barrel for a rebuttal.

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@costanzamania: Don't really have to reach far, this hardware as it is can't compete if it's not actually out.

Rebutted Bitch!

Whattup!!!

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@wahsobe: Funny. You haven't refuted jack, Bitch!

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@costanzamania: Then go out and pick up your PS5 today and prove me wrong. Oh wait, you can't. Cause it's not on the market. Can you prove that PC doesn't have their own equivalent coming near or before the PS5. Exactly, you can't sooooooo, right now the machine with the highest SSD performance on the market is the PC.

I'm very happy that my shiny new PS5 will be running a lightning fast SSD but will it be faster than what is offered on PC when it comes out??? **shrug** I don't own a crystal ball so I honestly can't say. What I can say is that I hope not. I hope my PC will see this same option in the same time, and hey maybe the XBSX custom SSD PCIe 4.0 port will see a compatible device soon after.

My point is this article is kinda dumb and argumentatively pointless. Sony's SSD is evolutionary not revolutionary.

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@costanzamania: yup lol

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Yes the unreleased hardware is ahead of released hardware. Derp

Remind me, how many months until release?

I would have accepted this statement if it was currently released even if it was only a few months ahead of a comparable PC release. How about we stick to comparing it to the XBSX.

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Bit of misinformation going around here..

Firstly, the PS5 storage speeds report around 5GB/s, and the expandable storage states 'NVMe', gen 4.0 of which has been supported on the X570 platform since last year, NVMe gen4 speeds run at (you guessed it), 5GB/s.

So stating it will take PCs awhile to catch up when you can already build one that already runs upto 5GB/s on the Ryzen high end platform is only a half truth, it might take high end INTEL PCs awhile to catch up as they dont support PCIe 4.0 yet,, but AMD are already capable.

Here's some benchmarks from last year;
https://www.techspot.com/review/1893-pcie-4-vs-pcie-3-ssd/

Thankfully it does look like they have 'optimized' the PS5 NVMe drives with additional priority levels, but this shouldnt be too hard to implement and is not the main advertising point they are trying to make when they claim 'speeds faster than high end desktop'.

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if this is true then why the hell am i spending thousands of dollars on samsungs 860 pro?

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First the SSD For some (some) crowd wowing

Next

PSVR2

Hoping they have some nice surprises in the pipeline. Of all my HMDs it’s still the most comfortable and best subpixel tech in my opinion.

Gimme optional Wireless, better FoV, res, and most of all better tracking and controllers Sony!

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It might not be now but I'm sure PC's will catch up quickly. It's still impressive that consoles are able to do this though.

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Honestly, I find it rather hard to believe that Sony could just come up with some better SSD technology than all the leaders in that industry like Samsung. And it really makes me wonder why Samsung hasn't released some super expensive SSD that is similarly fast. Maybe because they don't see it being profitable enough, which is not an issue for Sony who puts theirs into each of their consoles.

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@Atzenkiller: This is integrated storage or memory, almost like the new mac storage built into some of their computers for 2020. Still not as fast, and if you have problems with it, you have to ship the whole motherboard back, not the memory/storage module.

Luckily m.2 nvme has proven, incredibly durable. But we may never see the speeds that the ps5 has, because not being able to expand or change desktop storage would limit PC builds too much. Also, even the fastest of storage is nice, but it is not the end all when it comes to computer/ console games.

But adoption of DDR5 RAM is coming soon this year, and even faster nvme forms. This will allow 4k assets to flow like butter.

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Not going the custom route is one of the things I give good credit to Sony for doing. They screwed up going the custom, proprietary memory for the Vita and it hurt the system, didn't help it was extremely overpriced. I didn't like the custom original Xbox hard drives where they would slowly release bigger and bigger hard drives. Being able to buy and use my own HD is great.

I'm still skeptical about SSDs in the next gen console. Sure they will be fast, I have one in my PC. However they are also relatively expensive even though it's been going down and a 250 or even 500GB SSD isn't going to cut it. At the very least they need a 1TB SSD and I just don't see it happening. It's pretty easy to blow through a 500 GB HD even on the PS4.

I'm also not convinced at all that we need a super fast SSD. SSDs in general, sure but even the slowest non-hybrid SSD is fast enough.

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@nedrith: I think this is one of the concerns about Sony’s console and cost/profit. The architecture and probably SSD will bump up that price by the sound of it.

Plus since they are only releasing it with an 800 or some odd Gb it’s going to push everyone to get a peripheral for storage unless they have some sort of cloud storage idea in mind.

Will be interesting. Regardless it sounds pretty awesome

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@nedrith: Sony already mentioned they're planning to release the PS5 with a 840GB or so SSD. And if you have a decent internet connection then you certainly don't need more space than that. It's enough to have several full price games installed at the same time. And if waiting an hour for a game to download, or maybe two if game sizes double with the next gen, is too long for you, then that's a different problem. But how many games can you be actively playing at the same time so that you'd need to have them all installed?

Of course 840GB or whatever they announced is a still bit week though. No real reason not to make it 1TB instead. And since they're using fake numbers like every singe hard drive manufacturer out there today, even 1TB is more like something close to 900GB. Probably less than that. Add at least 50GB that's reserved for the system itself and yeah, there won't be that much space left. Should still be enough though since not every game will reach 100GB in size.

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Epic games... *Darth Sidious voice* It's treason then....

Remember your roots!

Also what does this accomplish? Do they really think PC gamers are going to say "Oh, no! I have to ditch my PC with it's better graphics, not paying for multiplayer (and pretty much everything), and modding my game however I want and buy a PS5!" Nope. This whole argument is childish. I get they are marketing it, but there's nothing wrong with either platform. Play where and on what you want.

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@Wraith3: nothing but appreciation for PS5 SSD solution.

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The only area that the next gen consoles will be faster for the time being is with load times and SSD speeds. PC will surpass those speeds but it probably won't be until 2022, and unlike the specialized methods on the consoles the PC will do it with new hardware standards with faster speed and better performance.

It shouldn't even be an issue until developers completely drop support for current gen, and even then I doubt anything will change.

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@lonesamurai00: And at waaay higher prices. But we don't look at those when comparing PC to console hardware, do we?

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It takes me literally like 2 seconds to load up Resident Evil 2 after hitting Continue on an NVMe drive. I don't know how much faster things need to be. I can wait 2 seconds.

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@jinzo9988: whats faster? ssd, nvme m.2, sata m.2?

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@jinzo9988: Well, it's a current gen game while the tech they're gonna put into the next gen will have to last throughout the whole life cycle of those consoles. And games will be about twice as big in size at least and made for 4K resolution. So if you wanna compare it to PC hardware then compare it to what was available back when the PS4 launched.

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if only it helps eliminated loading completely (doubt it), so i play game like i did back the nes all the way to n64's life cycle.

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@nintendians: It certainly will for older titles with less gigabyte to render scenery.

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Consoles will always be better optimized than PC for gaming. PC is the very definition of "Jack of all trades, master of none."

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@OldSchoolPlaya: yes I can optimize my PC to run games amazingly with 30 fps too.

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@OldSchoolPlaya: But the PC will always have its ace in the hole and that's good ole' brute force performance. This is where consoles will always come up short. It's also the reason that developers always play it safe when developing games on them.

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@lonesamurai00: Yeah, but that's comparing an every day car to a Ferrari. Yeah, sure, a Ferrari might be nice and quite powerful but it will also cost you a fortune. While you can get a very nice and powerful car for much less money if you wanted to.

To most people that don't feel like throwing thousands of $ away for a PC, any high end gaming hardware is of no relevance. And obviously if you're someone who is looking for that, then you'd have no reason to even consider buying a console. So why even mention it?

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@Atzenkiller: Not everyone who is on a console wants to be. Some people play games on consoles, not because they want to, but because they have to, either because they can't afford a Gaming PC, or they feel they wouldn't know how to maintain it once they got it. See, no one, and I mean no one buys a Mercedes, Porsche or Lamborghini because they have to drive them. They buy them because it's what they have always desired. Some console gamers, are console gamers because they have no other choice, but you could never say that about being a PC Gamer because buying a console is a lot cheaper and easier, you just miss out on all of the luxuries in gaming.

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@lonesamurai00: lol I highly doubt there're a bunch that want to be on PC vs console, especially since if you've only ever known console, you wouldn't have a desire to be on PC no? I was on PC, way back with battlefield 1942, Call of Duty, game called I think Guild Wars, anyway that's when I made the switch to console. I haven't thought geez I'm missing out on PC. The hassle that comes with PC and the cost isn't worth it too me, couple that with the modding(A lot of cheating on PC), issues with mutiplayer(sluggish lag etc)K/M(hate it), the point is the consoles are more consistent, yes simple, I can enjoy it from the comfort of my couch.

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@bababooey12: "battlefield 1942, Call of Duty, game called I think Guild Wars"

Well I can certainly see why you quit playing on the platform.

Those were your personal issues. They are your personal preferences and reasons, but it still doesn't change fact that there are people who drive what they drive everyday, but still they dream of driving something more powerful, custom built, elegant and luxurious.... but can't, and have to settle for what they can get. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that at all. Just don't try to compare a Smart Car to a supercar where performance is concerned.

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@lonesamurai00: Yes, still doesn't change the fact that PC gamers will never understand, why it is console player's stick with a console. I drive my car for personal reasons as well, sure most do. I think Ferrari or a Lamborghini is nice, but even if I had the money I still wouldn't waste it on a car that gets you from point A to point B, just like I don't want to spend thousands just to get a high end rig that might be a little better than my Xbox X, but still have the other hassles that I've mentioned. As for the smart car to super car comparison, you sound pretty ignorant, especially if you really think that every single PC out there is like a Ferrari, as has been stated many times before, the average PC gamer is probably in the more or less in the middle...

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@bababooey12: "just like I don't want to spend thousands just to get a high end rig that might be a little better than my Xbox X,"

Just like a person who has to play their games on a console. The fact that you have to convince yourself of that is the funniest part of this conversation. I guess this is what you need to believe, or tell yourself in order to keep enjoying playing your games on your preferred platform.

I am so happy for the new upcoming consoles because it means that we can finally move ahead where graphics are concerned. The upcoming consoles will have faster load times, but that's it. They will be no more powerful then a mid/high range PC today, and low/mid by the time they release. By the time that they release they will only have the advantage of fastest load times, and that's only on paper, because load times have never been a problem at all on the PC.

I can certainly understand all of the excitement behind next generation consoles, but people like me are only excited by what it means for PC Gaming.

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@lonesamurai00: I don't have to spend thousands of dollars on the next xbox to enjoy myself, still stands that most people have more or less a mid range rig, you'd be delusional to think the majority of PC players are shelling out thousands of dollars on a high end rig, especially right now. As for graphics I'm willing to bet I could give a mid range PC a run for its money with just the current X, the OLED Tv I have paired with my xbox X seem to do quite well, for example RDR2, while playing looks like real life graphics are so crisp, maybe they'd be better on a PC, but they look damn good on my TV. As a console player, I see no incentive for switching to PC, for what the chance I might be able to obtain a little boost in the graphics department, as for loading I can load into the game around 30 seconds, such a long wait lol. I don't have to have a whole setup in my living room, like I would if playing on a PC(could picture it now what a mess), have to worry about swapping out parts to keep up with the changing times(waste of money), have to worry about the modders aka cheaters(beauty of the console, more lvl playing field) etc. Do I sound like someone who wishes they could be on a PC, but has to settle for a console, lol whatever makes you sleep better at night.

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@bababooey12: I'm not sure whether a PC Gamer has a high end system or not matters at all. The point is that being a PC Gamer, he has a choice that you don't have being solely on a console. He doesn't have to wait seven years until it gets better. The guy can literally piece together his PC at his own pace. Your pace is seven years, no PC Gamer has to play games at 30fps with dynamic scaling, or checkerboard rendering as his only option. The whole point of console gaming is that it's cheap and easy, but mostly that it's cheap, and that's great. I mean if you can spend less it's awesome. But console gamers also wish, and want for PC features for that little bit of money but it isn't going to happen.

You try to downplay modding, but console gamers want it, and they wish for it badly. They are stocked at the prospect of having mods in Snowrunner. You need only to go to their forums to read their silly excitement. They also want mods support for Skate XL - in fact they are panting like begging dogs for it on their forums, and in Youtube Q&A interviews with the devs. See it;s you who is delusional if you think that every console gamer thinks like you. They honestly think that they should have these things without spending the dough for it. Xbox gamers begged Microsoft for the use of a keyboard and mouse on their XBoxes, why, It's hilarious really! That console can't ever be a PC.

If you want to stay on the Xbox One X, then great, my son has one that heats up his room like a furnace, as does my neighbor. Comparing that console to what a high end PC can do is simply ludicrous. Comparing it to PC hardware coming this year is absolutely insane. Hell Microsoft is already down talking the Xbox One X in hopes that people will buy the next one.

"The Series X console will be four times faster than the Xbox One X". Sounds like they want to shame people like you into buying their next gaming box.

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@lonesamurai00: Your posts are starting to now sound ignorant, acting like you speak for all xbox gamers or even console players. As a console player I have never thought I wish I could mod or use a k/M, I don't consider those that do true console player's, certainly don't count those who come from PC and want to use a K/M or Mod as a true console player(hear about it a lot those coming from PC, expecting to be able to play the console just like the PC and whining when they can't), because I'll agree that in the case of modding for instance console will never be like a PC(thank god). Lol "shamed into getting the next console", seeing how I've already been enjoying my X, S before that and so on, I know what I'm getting and for half the cost when I trade in my X towards the price of the SX like I've done now for generations. As for the heating up your room like a furnace, maybe you should get that checked or get a bigger living room, never had any issues with mine putting out too much heat.

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@bababooey12: "I highly doubt there're a bunch that want to be on PC vs console, especially since if you've only ever known console,"

My comments look as though I am speaking for someone?

Look man, I'm not speaking for any console gamer, because I personally don't know what they want. I can only read and see, and Xbox gamers asked for keyboard and mouse support because it is a superior solution for FPS games. It won't help them in the same way, but they asked for it for whatever reason.

Also, here is the Q&A interview on Youtube where the actual devs of the game are thanking the modding community for the content that they have added. The he host is reading questions from gamers, and some of the console gamers asked if they could use mods on their consoles.

"SKATER XL INTERVIEW: The Past, Present and Future of Skater XL | Modding, Animations, Multiplayer"

That is the video since you think that I am speaking for a console gamer. I wouldn't know where to begin to speak for them. They're too busy crying over story plots in The Last of Us. A game that no Playstation gamer has even played. I can't relate to that man.

You say that I am speaking for consolers, but these are two instances of console gamers wanting PC features. Now, show me one instance of any PC Gamer wanting anything from consoles other than first-party games because that would be the only positive that the console as a platform could add to the PC platform. We have all Xbox games, and now Sony is slowly starting the same trend.

Consoles can't offer anything to the PC platform except for first-party games because first-party games is all that the console platform has really, other than being cheap and easy to deal with. There's nothing else that they can offer that's good about them. I'm surprised to be wasting any time with you on this other than you provide me with entertainment.

P.S. I still think that it is both funny, and sort of sad that you convince yourself that the Xbox One X is slightly under what PC gamers are afforded - you need to watch Digital Foundry to see some disappointments in regards to frame rate, and other differences. But you go on living in the fools paradise that you've built for yourself, maybe if it helps, I don't know.

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@lonesamurai00: lol, yea your comments do look like you're trying to speak on behalf of console players example

"Just like a person who has to play their games on a console. The fact that you have to convince yourself of that is the funniest part of this conversation. I guess this is what you need to believe, or tell yourself in order to keep enjoying playing your games on your preferred platform."

Your reason is because you watched a video where the devs asked a few gamers for mod options lol, they represent probably a small fraction of the gaming community..I have never in the years I've been playing games on a console, thought geez wish I could mod or use a K/M..I'm not going to try and waste time sitting here looking for a video, but I remember SOT for instance where the community was complaining about playing with PC players, how they've an unfair advantage, modding or K/M, the PC players response was well why can't the console players use a K/M too..I had also seen posts in those forums and here on gamespot in the past where a PC player, also has a PS5 or Xbox and would like the option to modd or for K/M functionality(xbox now has)...sounds like to me some PC players want to change the console to suit them, despite what you might think there're PC players that play on both console and PC.

P.S.

Cool you found one site to use, just like Digital Trends recently posted how Xbox One X still stands as the most powerful console, I don't need Digital Foundry or whatever site to tell me about the X, as I have one...never do I have any framerate issues, SOT, Destiny, Battlefield 5, Red Dead Redemption all run smooth as butter, the only fool is you. I look forward to your next ignorant post.

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@bababooey12: Sure your Xbox plays games smoothly, but with checkerboard rendering, and or dynamic resolutionat 30fps. A PC Gamer has options that you don't because your only recourse is to accept what devs are willing to give you. That's the major difference with playing games on a console. You have little to no control over anything, except for what game to buy, and the little bit of control that they give you always comes with serious trade-offs in graphics and performance. I refuse to play games that way.

You say - "Digital Trends recently posted how Xbox One X still stands as the most powerful console"

To that I say - That's not saying much when you have to play Assassin's Creed Valhalla at a minimum of 30 FPS when it releases on your paltry Series X console.That's sad man.

You see, the difference between the PC as a gaming platform, and any Xbox is how the developer perceives them. It has been said since before the Xbox One X even released that it is the most powerful console, and yet their are games that have released on it that only allow for 1080p 30fps, the same as the PS4 Pro. And many devs don't even bother to do anything extra for the Xbox One X past what they're are willing to do for the PS4 Pro. That's because the PS4 and PS4 Pro are, and always have been the lead platform for console games development where third-party devs are concerned, but never the Xbox One or Xbox One X.

You will always see the consoles used at their very best by first-party studios, but third-party devs don't like taking any risks on console game performance. This is why games are mostly checkerboard, and 30FPS on consoles. You say that you don't want to spend thousands of dollars just to get a high end rig that might be a little better than your Xbox X, but your Xbox One X doesn't allow for 4K or 60fps in every game. PC Gamers have been playing games at 4K 80 to 120fps (depending on the RTX card) for two years, and 4K 30-60fps for the past 4 years (depending on the GTX card) since GTX 10 series cards came out. You can't do that with your little Xbox console, and when you do play at 60fps it comes with sacrifices and trade-offs.

Now, from what I have seen you've shown little to no knowledge of computer hardware, and because of that you've shown how very out of touch you are on the topic. Look dummy - no one, and I mean no one buys a console for graphics and performance, and if they do then they are as clueless and as you are on the subject. Consoles are, and always will be about software (games), not about hardware. Please do your homework before jumping into a conversation on a subject of which you have no knowledge.

If you don't want to spend thousands of dollars for graphics and performance, then you are exactly where you belong - on the Xbox One X. It is highly advisable that you stay there.

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@lonesamurai00: lol nice novel, checkerboard graphics etc doesn't bother me, I can't tell the difference on my 4K tv and if my FPS are always smooth, then what do I give a crap if they're at 30fps or 60 fps or 120 lol, thats the problem with you PC players you guys are never happy and you think we play on a console, because we have too rather it's a choice. I have plenty of computer knowledge, built my own computer 5 years ago and work in the technology field, not that I really need to justify myself, to a moron like you. I never said that a console will have better graphics than computer's in general, however to sit there and say that all computer's graphics and performance wise run better, once again makes you sound stupid, I'll say that the xbox X looks better than the S and so fourth, so while you say that no one plays on a console for graphics or performance, just makes you sound ignorant and how out of touch you are with why console player's are on the console. Yes, its cheaper, the ease of use, prefer the controller option(PC has the option too), more consistent or just less of a hassle, but also graphics look good, performance is fine as well. RDR2 for example I'm fine with how the graphics look, they look amazing in fact the lvl of detail etc, if you don't think graphics matter at all for a console player then they wouldn't continue to release new consoles(better graphics and performace), I would've just stayed on the 360, if you think the 360 and X look the same, than you're blind. Hmm lol, yea I'm well aware the dev has a large influence on whether games will hit 30, 60 fps etc, in fact mentioned this in other posts, if the xbox SX is capable of hitting 120, but the developer releases the game at 30fps, that doesn't mean the console isn't capable of hitting those or at 60fps etc, but neither you nor I could possibly know that because its not out yet, once again makes you sound stupid. As for PS4, third party titles you were referring too that on are on both systems right. I could careless about the fighting, boring racing(Gran Turismo) and lame japenese style(like final fantasy) singleplayer exclusives. I'll gladly save my thousands on a computer, to stick with a console at least this way, its one less idiot I might risk running into(referring to you just incase you were too stupid to get it).

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@bababooey12: More dumb opinions. That's all that you have to throw at the wall - opinions. You say that you are fine with checkerboard rendered games, and 30fps, but if you're playing games on a console you don't have a choice except to be fine with it. That's the one thing that you guys don't have is choice. The developer makes the choice for you, so whether you are fine with it, or not is really quite inconsequential.

Now having said that, the fact that you think that it is a smart thing, or makes any kind of sense at all to base what console you will buy on the graphics or performance that it will produce tells me that I was correct, and that you are clueless and completely out of touch on this subject. Consoles are and have always been about software, the software of exclusive titles and that's all they're about, but hey, it's your money.

Another opinion of yours is that the graphics look good, and performance is fine on current gen consoles, but many many would quite disagree. Why do you think that developers have been asking for better console hardware for so long. Why do you think that developer, Josef Fares once said in public that the PS4 is “like a five-year-old PC and is holding games back". Or that the Platinum Games studio head Atsushi Inaba has said he’s finding it “hard to get excited” about Microsoft’s and Sony’s plans for these next-generation consoles, stating that the upcoming hardware feels like “more of the same”.

Developers get tired of developing games on hardware that has to last them for seven years. It gets old fast. Yes Microsoft and Sony make new consoles, but they also leave them to rot and make devs tired of using them. Face it, you are dumb on this issue, and I would suspect on many many other issues as well.

All I read from you is blah, blah blah, not one fact or reference to make any concrete point. Remember that it was you who commented to one of my posts in the first place, and not me to you. I stated a fact that exists about your preferred platform, and it rubbed you so much that you had to comment to me. I say that you are and have been a waste of time, and going back and forth was weak because you're full of nothing but opinion period.

"if you think the 360 and X look the same, than you're blind. Hmm lol, yea I'm well aware the dev has a large influence on whether games will hit 30, 60 fps etc"

The developer doesn't merely have some influence on how his game will look and perform on the consoles, he has all of the influence, no matter what you may think on the subject, also, you yourself must know that some current gen console titles look as though they were made for the Xbox 360 - I mean you brought it up didn't you?

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@lonesamurai00: I did a quick read through, noticed too much ignorance to give it much more then that, what you are saying is also of opinion, you think you know everything and anything about console gamers and that you speak on our behalf, just in case you weren't aware, not everyone likes the same stuff you do etc(should've learned that when you were little) has nothing to do with my not knowing this or that(know more than you do apperently).

The console has improved in terms of graphics and performance since the Original Xbox, as it has done with each generation after. To say otherwise makes you stupid, therefore from that standpoint, yes graphics and hardware does matter and of course the games too. To say the games is the only thing that matters for a console gamer, also would make you stupid(no one said the games didn't matter smh). I would have no desire to play a game today on the Orginal Xbox, knowing that the xbox One X exists, with much better performance and graphics. At any rate like I had said before if assassins creed hits 30FPS that's on the developer, doesn't mean the console isn't capable of hitting it. Lol you think that there're some games that look as though they were made for the 360, in terms of what? This should be good. What your comment about how we have no options, as if the PC is unlimited in everything? Lol no crap the developer has influence and dictates what and how the game will run on the console, not all the influence though, it wouldn't be possible without the hardware... lol wow your such an idiot. The comment I didn't like was when you said console gamers, don't really want to play on a console, but have too, son I'm on a console, because I choose to be, I choose to game on my nice 4K tv, from the comfort of my couch with an Xbox One X that I bought for around $300 upon release(man so expensive, which I'll trade towards the SX), with amazing graphics, no framerate issues and a great online experience if I so choose to do. I can also use the system for virtually anything else I want to do, movies tv internet etc, pretty much anything a PC can do right, wow I can't mod aka cheat, who gives a crap or maybe hit 120fps, doesn't matter if my game is smooth. Lol sounds like I'm missing out on a lot(been on PC by the way before, been there done that) I wouldn't expect you to understand, you don't seem to bright.

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@bababooey12: You poor thing, you try so hard to make that console appealing for graphics. The PC platform is called "The Master Race", and consoles are known as "the peasant race" for a reason, it's because your platform is inferior where graphics, performance and hardware are related, and the choice to buy one based on those terms is simply ludicrous, dumb and ill-conceived. The analogy of an everyday car that gets you from A-B is an analogy that I can respect in regard to consoles, but when you try to tell someone who knows hardware that his console can hang, you're wasting your time, and you would clearly provide them with even more entertainment than the console.

Hey my console is good -stop laughing, it is good don't laugh!!! That's how you come off. Someone who desperately thinks that their platform produces great graphics and performance, but it was clearly never needed.

The One X was pure trash as an upgrade, and no one bought them. Many console gamers were in fact fine with what they had, and I can respect that point of view. But you, yes you are living in a fool's paradise. You serve as nothing more than cannon-fodder for hardware enthusiasts like myself.

Both Microsoft, and Sony love to present the world with sales numbers, but with regards to the mid generation refresh, no sales numbers were ever presented. This is because sales figures were not good enough to celebrate them. Console gamers are cheap where hardware is concerned, and as such, they were not going to be the idiot (like yourself) and shell out money for a slightly better console from the same "generation" knowing that the "next generation" was just a couple of years away. Sony and Microsoft are not going to make this mistake again, which is why they are trying to throw everything that they can at the upcoming consoles. Sales were abysmal - sorry yeah they were.

And you poor thing, your comments read with such enthusiasm, adornment and passion for the Xbox One X and it looks so sad and pathetic because you don't know any better. You're like the guy wearing his toupee and walking down the street thinking that his fake hair looks fine, but he doesn't know any better, and what's cruel is that no one will tell him - that's you. The sad little guy who bought into buying a slightly better console, when those who were informed enough to know better would not.

You should actually do some research next time to make more informed decisions. I mean do you have any friends who could have told you any better? No you don't, of course not, because they would have laughed behind you back instead.You would have given them the same entertainment that you are giving me is all.

This is the truth you poor soul, and may it help you in the future to make less stupid purchasing decisions. You actually spent $450-$500 on an albatross console - congratulations my boy, congratulations GIVE HIM A HAND EVERYBODY!!!

ExtremeTech - "Even the Xbox One X Can’t Stop Microsoft’s Console Sales Slide"

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/269049-even-the-xbox-one-x-cant-stop-microsofts-console-sales-slide

What's this uh oh, more actual data to back my claims from me. Too bad there's none from you huh.

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@lonesamurai00: lol read the first paragraph, then skipped the rest, never said the console can "hang" with a high end PC, I said in my preevious posts and other users have also said that the next gen console should be able to "hang" with your low and mid lvl PC'S, not once did I say it will out perform the top of the line PC'S, I simply said I wouldn't spend my money to get one, you just keep saying the same old stuff over and over again Pc master race blah blah, lol you think because a random website that really doesn't know anything, means actual data, the link you provided is to an article of a guy's opinion, hardly would I call that "data", you really are stupid, keep posting I won't be reading anymore, obviously you have nothing of intelligence to write, won't be wasting anymore time on you.

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@bababooey12: See, see what I mean, you're clueless.

ExtremeTech is a reputable technology outlet that has been around since before the internet became a household item. They are certainly no random site in the tech industry. You should - be reading every word that I say because it's apparent that you need the help - mister console gamer, mister One X.

The X Box One X was and is a complete waste. You bought it thinking that it was a great purchase, but it is not. Console refreshes were a failure, and you stupidly bought in on it thinking that you would be on the level of a mid range PC, but even a person with a mid range PC can make use of settings that would make his games outperform and outclass the One X with ease. The One X is simply fixed hardware -THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND DUMMY. You get great optimization, but still mostly poor performance by comparison.

And stop saying that the Xbox Series X could do Assassin's Creed at higher than 30fps, because you don't know that. Ubisoft has used the kits and came to the conclusion that 30fps would be the best solution, proving my point further that consoles are less equipped for great gaming experiences, but mostly equipped for what could be deemed an acceptable one, and yes even the upcoming consoles. That is unless graphics and performance really mean nothing to the person, of course most consolers care, they just say that they don't.

I don't blame you for leaving since you don't have a leg left for which to stand. I would give up as well after having bought a console refresh. Well goodbye guy with the toupee, it's been...... interesting. In the future do your homework before jumping into a conversation of which you have no knowledge of the topic - tah tah.

P.S. I knew that anyone who uses LOL as often as you had to be really weird, and you did not disappoint. I'd stop using that if I were you. it makes the read even more stupid - LOL.

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Even if you have an SSD from a few years ago, it's not really a bottleneck for loading games. Kind of a pointless flex.

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@bbq_R0ADK1LL: Not on current games. This demo showed loading far more assets in far higher quality than what current games do.

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I'm pretty sure these sort of claims were made back when the XB1 and PS4 were announced (looking at you Watchdogs) and always ended up being BS, with high-end PCs ending up trumping the consoles in terms of specs. The advantage they have is more to do with price for that level of power, but for some reason they never seem to emphasize that and always try to go for a power war with the PC.

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