PS4 System Update 2.51 Rolls Out

Patch notes outline various stability improvements.

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Sony has begun rolling out a new system software update to PlayStation 4, bringing with it various tweaks and improvements to the previous firmware build.

The console update weighs about 245MB, and should now be available to PS4 owners across North America and Europe. Brief patch notes, copied below, suggest that the new update will implement minor fixes.

PS4 Update 2.51 Patch Notes

  • System software stability during use of some features has been improved.
  • Operation quality during use of some applications has been improved.

One bug that some users discovered back in March, where a notification informing players about Rest mode would continually pop up when the console turned on, has not been fixed.

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Just small tweaks. Still could to drop the PS+ require for online multiplayer some time in the future as it would be a good feature to have.

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@Jinzo_111887: Sony drops PS+ for online play, say goodbye to "stable" servers. Unlike MS who could afford to drop or lower the price... Sony is in the red in their other divisions, Sony can't afford to drop it this time around

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@voreo@Jinzo_111887: I didn't have much of a problem on PS3. Also, Sony got rid of the other divisions.

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It is not required for online multiplayer... it is also 100% up to the dev/pub which parts of a game use ps+....

Go play your pc and stfu since it is soo damn master race....

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@Jinzo_111887: Neither console is dropping their online subs, ever.

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: on Microsoft side it was never free to start with so no one can complain to Microsoft for that

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@shadyshack@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: Umm, ya they can... Thats some terrible logic there. Hell, they started this horrible trend.

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@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: how would any complain to microsoft that gold should remain free when it was never free

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@shadyshack@turianshepard@shadyshack: Take out the word remain. replace with be.

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@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: even if i did that how would you agree that, you are using their servers.

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@shadyshack@turianshepard@shadyshack: So you'll defend Sony then as well?

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@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: yeah i will.

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@shadyshack@turianshepard@shadyshack: Lol, stop lying.

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@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: sony should have remained free that is what their customers where use to.

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@shadyshack@turianshepard@shadyshack: There shouldn't be paywalls, period. At least it's cheaper than Live.

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@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: if it make the service better than i do not mind. however if they are just pocketing the money than yes you are right

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@shadyshack@turianshepard@shadyshack: Of course they're pocketing the money. Sony saw MS grabbing free money and decided they want in.

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@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: I think Sony got tired of footing the bill for the pricey servers required to run an online community with millions of concurrent users. The free online mp was only there on ps3 to get their foot in the door.

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@suicidesn0wman@turianshepard@shadyshack@turianshepard: It's not as pricey as they'd like you to believe. If it was, the game division wouldn't have been able to post an operating income during the PS3's life.

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: I'm not going to stop bashing Sony until the policy is reversed.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: Why not go talk to a wall while you are at it? It doesn't cost a lot of money at all. It is not a big deal.

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@creepyburrito@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: It's not the money, but the policy itself.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: Why not bash all paywalls then? Does MS get some sort of pass?

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: MS can go bankrupt for all I care for bringing this policy to consoles.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: But your crusade seems to be against Sony exclusively... And you know you have the option of PC to avoid these things, right?

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: When's the LBP and Sly franchises and KH3 coming to PC?

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: Whats more important to you, avoiding paywalls or playing those titles? If it's paywalls then PC is really your only choice for next gen. (not a bad choice at all imo.)

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: Both.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: Oh, BTW. You wouldn't need ps+ for any of those titles you listed... You're going to have to choose.

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: LBP does have online multiplayer, so I choose to keep bashing Sony for adopting the policy until it is reversed.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: So 1 game out of the 3 has MP that nobody plays. Bash all paywalls and stop being hypocritical.

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: Like I said, MS can go bankrupt for starting this trend, which why I avoided their consoles in the first place. Now that Sony's doing it too, I'm going to keep bashing them for it.

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I don't think you realize how expensive it is to build & maintain server farms around the globe. Not to mention fighting off these losers that try to crash the system every day.

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@Vodoo: I think you overestimate it.

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@turianshepard@Vodoo: I have a link to documents that back that up.

<< LINK REMOVED >>

If it was as expensive as Sony and MS would like people to believe, Sony's game division wouldn't have earned an operating income in those three years I mentioned.

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@Vodoo: Sony's game division was able to earn an operating income in 2010, 2011, and 2012, so maintenance is probably not as expensive as they'd like you to believe.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: Lol, whatever. Nobody will take you seriously though unless you're consistent.

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@turianshepard@Jinzo_111887: I am consistent. Bashing Sony for this every time. I don't even bother giving MS any respect either. PayStation 4 and Extortionbox One.

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@Jinzo_111887: The NX will have some sort of subscription service, its the trend.

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@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: ok so you hate it fine, but this why live has a better online system than sony at this point because they have had money to invest in it from the xbox community.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887@turianshepard: I don't believe that. It fell when it was hit with a DDOS attack as well. I've also been told it has cheaters as well, so that's not really a sign of a better network either.

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: no sony feel, Microsoft was up and running in a short time, i can say that my xbox live service never went down. our ps4 did though

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: It shouldn't have happened at all if it was better.

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: part of that statement is true, not all of it. sony has had a major issue with it's online service over the years i can not say the same for microsoft

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: MS went down around Christmas as well as Sony. If paying for the service made it better, that shouldn't have happened.

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: i can agree to half of that. but a DDOS attack can not be stop.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: Then paying an extra fee doesn't make it better because it CAN'T make it better.

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@Jinzo_111887: that will never happen 20 million sols plus online subscription too much to lose


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There is 10 million ps+ subscribers 7 million are ps3 + psvita 20 million ps4s and only around 3 million are ps+ subscribers on ps4 strange that.

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But it is needed and surely 20 million people notice this it makes you wonder just who to hell is byeing the ps4 .

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@dockgamer36: I have financial records that show Sony's gaming division earning an operating income before they resorted to this policy.

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@Jinzo_111887@dockgamer36: I can't help but laugh at your claims, you like to post as if you have some kind of knowledge to support your biased views, yet come off as incredibly uneducated.

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@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887@dockgamer36@Jinzo_111887:

2010, 2011, 2012 all show the gaming division was earning an operating income, which means the division's revenues exceeded its expenses those years.

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@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887: So now you're pretending to be a financial expert, like how you were pretending to be a technology expert in the past.
You're just posting a link and screaming "LOOK! NUMBERS!!!" and nothing else.

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@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman: I've studied accounting. If you don't think those numbers are accurate, you might want consider reporting Sony to the authorities for cooking the books.

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@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887: The numbers probably are accurate, I just don't think you know enough about financing to interpret them properly. To start, I don't see anywhere in here where it states the costs associated with running PSN, which is kind of a key component to your argument. If you don't know the cost, you can't argue that it isn't expensive, however anyone who knows anything about networking doesn't need to know financing to know massive server farms would be required for PSN, and those are not cheap.

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@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman: If it was too expensive, Sony's game division would have reported only operating losses during the PS3's life cycle, not three consecutive years of operating income.

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@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887: If I had the choice between having you as a financial advisor or stuffing money into a safe in the closet, I'd choose stuffing money into the safe. You clearly have no clue about any of this.

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@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman: I've majored in accounting and have a GPA that's about 3.6. I understand the value of those numbers. Any doubts would be on those numbers. If you don't believe they're right, you should report Sony to the authorities for cooking the books.

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@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887: You like to deflect a lot, rather than end the conversation with proof that the operating cost to keep PSN running is as low as you are trying to indicate, you deflect the conversation with anything you can to keep from answering the main question.


Back up your claim, show us the operating cost of the server farm, the revenue generated by PS+ subscriptions(not digital sales), and what % of the playstation division profits come from PSN itself.


But you can't, all you can do is post a link and say "LOOK, NUMBERS!" because you don't even understand the numbers yourself.

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@suicidesn0wman@Jinzo_111887@suicidesn0wman: They didn't give the exact numbers (probably hiding the detailed records to keep the individual numbers hidden from the general public), but since the network is bundled into the game division during those years, it's less than their revenues for the game divisions. It wasn't as expensive as they'd like you to believe as the game division was able to cover it. If it wasn't able to cover it, those numbers would be in parenthesis.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: Are you sure it's not for the IGC, cloud back up, and other features?

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: you would have to talk to sony for that type of information because i don't know

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: I do know one thing, the game division wasn't losing money for 2010, 2011, and 2012. It was actually earning an operating income.

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: sony as a whole was losing money for 8 years. how much we might not ever know however they are not out of woods yet.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: This have nothing to do with the question. Corporations are divided into smaller organisations. They each have to make profits, but one DOES NOT have to pay for the others. If a section is not going well, they might shut it down or retructure it, but they are not seen as one company BUT for the total income. They also have different VPs, etc. Don't mix oranges and bananas.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: neither is microsoft. they lost billions over last several years from their tablet and phone markets. they were negotiating selling the xbox one to warner brothers at one point. and they are planing on concentrating on software more than hardware. windows 10 will be free only as a ploy to get people back. and the xbox one will be upgraded to the same pc version of win 10 this summer aswell. and according to microsoft at that point the xbox one will for all purposes be a gaming pc and can run pc software. and pc's with with 10 will be able to run xbox one games by sticking the game disc into their computers and plug in the controller. they just don't know wether it be enabled by default in win 10 or user will need to purchase that ability thru the store.


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@hobinm@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: you have to understand they have money burn sony did not, not that it justifies but it didn't hurt them that bad either.

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@shadyshack@hobinm@shadyshack: That's not entirely true. Sony's game division was pulling its own weight during 2010, 2011, and 2012.

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack@hobinm: this is like a boat if the company is sinking a whole you can't save half of it. if the ship was going down it was going sony has corrected some of the mistakes but they are still bleeding money from some parts of the company, not the gaming section but other parts

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Actually it's not like a boat.

Companies spin off or divest themselves of non profitable BU's. They don't just sink the entire corp.

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@lrdfancypants: That's right. Sony got rid of some of their other divisions. In other words, they threw what was weighing them down overboard.

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Yep, that's what corporations do.

That or restructure a business unit.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: You throw off what's weighing you down, which is what Sony did. However, it's not the gamers' fault those divisions weren't that hot, so they shouldn't suffer for it.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: Sony's not bleeding anymore, they did a solid job of cutting the fat this past year.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: It's not the gamer's fault the other divisions weren't doing too well. Also, I have the files if you want to see them.

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@Jinzo_111887@shadyshack: i never said it was the gamers fault if sony was losing, so that is not a talking point for this conversation it's sony fault for making bad products and over priced products.

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Actually. Their products have never been bad. All my Sony products have been in perfect working condition for years now.

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@shadyshack@Jinzo_111887: There's no reason for them to be punished for Sony's mistakes with other products.

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this update bricked my system. 2nd time so far.

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@Mr_Mark_Legion: or bricking a system twice is is because the person who had it bricked twice is a cheater and had modded the console twice. which will cause it to brick. or is using a ssd drive whicht he ps4 isn't completely compatible with. or worse trying to use a hybrid drive which definately causes issues with the ps4.

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@Mr_Mark_Legion: shit, that's serious.

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@Mr_Mark_Legion: Kind of difficult to brick something twice

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But lying twice is quite simple.

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@turianshepard@deathtripp1355@rasterorsoniu13: No one is pushing the graphical capabilities of a Wii U, so there is no challenge getting 1080p/60fps to the screen.

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