OK game law sidelined

Judge issues preliminary injunction preventing violent game restrictions from taking effect until he can make a final ruling.

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A violent game restriction law set to go into effect next month has been put on ice for now. United States District Judge Robin Cauthron yesterday issued a preliminary injunction against the law, preventing it from being enforced until both the industry trade groups suing to have it overturned and the state's representatives have made their cases.

Oklahoma's HB3004, which was signed into law in June and was scheduled to take effect November 1, revises the state's definition of what is harmful to minors to include games with "inappropriate violence." Under the law, no person, not even minors' parents or guardians, would be allowed to give or show them an inappropriately violent game. Retailers would also not be able to have such games on display where minors could see them, unless the lower two-thirds of the boxes were hidden behind "blinder racks," of the sort commonly used for sexually explicit magazines.

In a seven-page ruling, Judge Cauthron found that the Entertainment Software Association (ESA) and Entertainment Merchants Association (EMA) industry trade groups had met the necessary requirements for obtaining the preliminary injunction. Cauthron said that letting the new law go into effect could cause the two groups and the companies they represent irreparable harm if it is found to violate their First Amendment freedoms. The EMA and ESA also met two other criteria in obtaining the ruling, showing that they had a "substantial likelihood of prevailing on the merits" of the case, and that the potential harm to them far outweighed the harm of delaying the law's enforcement.

Judge Cauthron gave the state until October 18 to respond to the trade groups' request for a permanent injunction against the law.

EMA president Bo Andersen issued a statement after the ruling, saying, "We are pleased that the federal district court in Oklahoma City has recognized that the Oklahoma law is very likely to be found to violate the First Amendment and thus should not be allowed to be enforced. Video game restriction laws have been enacted by state and local governments nine times in the past six years, and nine times the federal courts have blocked these laws from going into effect. Rather than passing unenforceable laws, lawmakers should support existing retailer initiatives to enforce video game ratings to ensure that minors do not gain access to video games their parents do not want them to have."

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Another one bites the dust.

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I've always been confused about why American games are rated higher than the exact same game in England where I live. Take The Sims 2, it's rated a 7+ here and nobody really questions it. Our adult magazines are not hidden at all though most of the stores around here put them out of the reach of children though I don't think there's a direct law forcing them to do it. Underage drinking is rife here, but the legal age is 18 and now someone is trying to introduce a law against violent videogames? Why not put the same law on music with swearwords, violent movies, books, violent anime and violent graphic novels, whilst were at it, why not throw in comic books as well? It's rediculous. Thankfully this kind of crazy law wouldn't get passed in England, but what happened to free speech?

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imbacon I totally disagree with several of your points. Most parents do their job. Out of all the kids in the U.S. its mainly the demented ones who politicians and the media seem to focus on. There has been violence in the world long before video games, music and movies. I don't want or need the government to decide what is age appropriate for my children in my own home. And as far as the saying "it 's to protect our children" its become more like a catch phrase for politicians. When I look at all the time and money wasted on laws like this feel there's got to be a better way to spend my tax dollars. Maybe Oh investigating some certain politician sending elicit e-mails to minors.

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"If the kids are bombarded with violent movies, music and games without adults helping to guild them, they are gana get messed up." Says who? This is a crutch used by politicians, warped and fed to you to target your fears so you will wise up, grab your torches and storm the barrachades like a modern Frankenstein movie (the classic ending). There's been all kinds of stimulous that is violent, sexual and depraved and not a single study has shown that exposure means that a child is any more or less likely to be violent because of it. The only ones that do are tainted and any reputable scientific or psycological practitioner would rip them apart (and have!). That's why these laws fall flat on thier faces every time. Hey, brocholi causes lil Timmy to steal cars, STOP THE BROCHOLI! Give me abreak guys. Take the studies from various countries and with kids in an assortment of circumstances and socio-economic backgrounds and they show absolutely zero tendancies based on entertainment exposure. Ok, tell me that daddy beating his kid, or sexually assauting him, or something like that causes serious behavioural issues, I will join you with a torch in my hand and storm the gates with you. Why? Because countless studies show this to be true, with control groups and with true scientific processes to warrant the findings. You need to see beyond the issue at face value here and realize what is TRULY going on. Parents need to police these issues, and just like anything else, they need to be informed to make those decisions. Ok, so the ESRB needs to do a better job, no prob, let the government compel them to do better, and guess what? They have. But don't blame the games, they aren't causing kids to run out and kill and rape. If the cause and effect were true, then we'd live in a society that had no bounderies at all, and everyone, yes that means me your and everyone else out there, would be utterly compelled to leap out of our chairs at any moment and kill/maim/rape. But we don't. Modern media makes you think that you can't walk down the street without a bazooka and a machette or you'll be shot, or kidnapped. Yes, horrible things happen, but in the grand scheme of things, they AREN'T the norm!!!!! It's about fear, fear to control the masses or get them in enough numbers to take an action in a planned scenario. It's easy for certian politicians to say 'SAVE OUR KIDS! STOP VIOLENT GAMES!" Why? because is says they care about your kids. Do they say 'STOP BAD PARENTS WHO DON'T GET INVOLVED ENOUGH IN THEIR KIDS LIVES TO SEE IF THEY ARE SLIDING INTO CRIMINALITY!" ? No. Why" Because that alienates those parents and those are VOTES! Next time you see a kid running around the supermarket, smashing carts with his kid sister's fluffy stuffed bunnyl, and knocking the cucumbers off the racks, take a good look at the parent. Likely they'll be either WAY too passive, or are ignoring it. SO....then try to go up to that parent and tell them they are not doing their job controlling their kid. They'll FLIP OUT. How DARE you critisize me! See where that gets you. No political hopefull will ever do it. Ok, so now lets walk up to that parent and say 'Your kid is a bad boy!' See where that get's you. After they lose it on you, defending how much of an angel lil Timmy is, they'll likely still smack the kid for doing something that embarrassed the parent, not explain or discipline because they child did something wrong, only because it made them look bad. Said Politician will also avoid this like the plague. What's your other option if you want to make an issue of it. BAN STUFFED BUNNIES!!!!!!! STUFFED BUNNIES MAKE KIDS VIOLENT!!!! SAVE OUR CHILDREN. No, it's not the uninvolved parent, and surely not the angel of a child, who has been shown that will little supervision they can go on a rampage, no it's the poor fluffy stuffed bunny. Think of the Bunnies!!!!! And think for yourselves sometimes too

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the problem is such a law isn't followed by those who it is targeted upon, remember a certian powder puff hiazing in a certian chicago suburb, parents bought the alcohol that entoxicated the girls that then beat the SH!T out of the underclassmen, i'm sorry but these laws are always by passed by the ones that it is targeted at, what if instead of having a lowered drinking age, america riased it's kids to drink responsibly, because we all know that kids have a drinking problem these days, and the laws do nothing, the parents can't actually teach responsible drinking because they aren't allowed to teach any drinking at all, most non irish or scotish cultures that don't have a drinking age that is hienis like ours don't have the same teen drinking problems, responsible drinking is something they are riased on. do i drink, no this is just what i think. these kind of blind laws only hurt the good parents, since we already know bad parents could careless. if they want to attach something get basic cable, that is far more indecent than any game, because any kid of any age can watch it with far less interest from thier parents. anyone seen drawn together, that show is on later at night, but not so late that a kid couldn't see it. agian i love comedy central but i'm not gunna lie, alot if it's programs are totally inappropriat for kids. still though i personally don't think any law is right, parents good and bad have been riasing kids for the longest time, what has changed, acountability. currently if a kid kills some police officers and jacks a car, it's not his fault or his parents, it's GTA's fault for telling him to. WTF, what about the godfather, some kid is riased watching gangster films and if he shoots someone, that didn't have effect on him. or how about this, he's mentally deranged, and that is no ones fault but his own, and his parents. heck, i've seen alot of good people come from deranged house holds of one parent who isn't there, so why not say that it's the kids fault. there, now we have some real acountability.

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Making a law like that, taking away the parents choice in the matter, is out and out un-American. If the citizens of Oklahoma had any clue what the heck they were doing, they would be getting these obviously insane politicians out of office, NOW. We need to take up a collection and send them copies of 1984. Do those voters have no idea what kind of slippery slope they had started themselves down? How about taking this mess to books? When that obviously insane government makes a law saying that the Bible has innappropriate violence, and that children can't be exposed to it by anyone including their parents, will they finally look up and say "Wait, why are we re-electing these nut jobs?"

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If they want to go overboard with this, then they should treat movies the same. The movie companys would not allow nor should the game companys.

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Game laws always result in debates on forums. What do I think? I'm not from the USA so it's possible that my opinion won't be correct but, from what I can tell, the ESRB, as it is, is good for now. And they should stop trying to enact game laws: "Video game restriction laws have been enacted by state and local governments nine times in the past six years, and nine times the federal courts have blocked these laws from going into effect.". That says it all.

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this topic has cooled off a lot, well put jasonpa, i never thought someone could put it so plianly to someone who obviously missed to more heinus part of the law. thanks jasonpa, you do us all a great service, now maybe since imbacon will hopefully(though probably not) see the error of his ways we can move on and unite to oppose this law, that is if it is reinstated. for if we loose, OOOOOOOOOOKLAHOMA where the wind blows, sorry for breaking into song. if we loose oklahoma whats next, look what happened with comunism, if we hadn't stopped it successfully in vietnam it would have conquered the world.(i'm joking) this has been one hot debate, well put everyone.

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wow it seems people have alot to say about this stuff...but this game law stuff is pretty uncool

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Ok, people calm down, its simple, the law they are trying to pass isn't to stop underage kids from buying a m rated game, its trying to stop the parents from deciding whats good for their kids, and allowing them to buy the game for them and let them play. How many people did not read the article, let me copy and paste where it lists the law for you, Oklahoma's HB3004, which was signed into law in June and was scheduled to take effect November 1, revises the state's definition of what is harmful to minors to include games with "inappropriate violence." Under the law, no person, not even minors' parents or guardians, would be allowed to give or show them an inappropriately violent game. Retailers would also not be able to have such games on display where minors could see them, unless the lower two-thirds of the boxes were hidden behind "blinder racks," of the sort commonly used for sexually explicit magazines. See what it says morons, you wont be able to buy, give or show the game. Not just buy it. Thats unconstitutional, a game is not a drug or a weapon, its just a game. And if you can't raise your child to know killing, fighting, swearing and having sex before you're ready is wrong, then your children should be taken from you. The tax dollars wasted on this pursuit would be better served given to the Department of Children Services. IMBACON i hope one day you realize the true intent of certain laws people try to push. Its not a solution, its just a way to get publicity and make enough voters happy to get elected. But you are a backwoods redneck who fails to understand the constitution, freedom of press is the amendment that would be used for the rights of gamers, cause video games is a media just like newspapers magazines, music and movies. Its a way of expressing ones self and their ideas and if its too offensive then it should be the responsibility of the gamer to decide whether or not to play it, not the government. Imbacon you have an egritious point of view that is at the root of what's wrong with america, instead of taking the proper time and research for the real problem and a real solution, you go for the quick fix. You want a quick fix, raise the drinking age to 25 and it would save 100,000 lives a year. But it would never happen cause there is too much money in alcohol and too many voters who would stop it. If video games were as mainstream as hollywood then this would never happen. Cause no one will tell a parent he can't buy a ticket to LOTR for his ten year old. IMBACON you are truly pathetic.

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imbacon how can you say we are so lack about things in america when no other nation, that isn't socialist, has as many rules as we do, we are the most tied down western nation, ever go to europe, know the drinking age, how about the amount of nudity on japanese tv, watch much anime. imbacon, they make it illegal for parents to purchase alcohol for their underage kids, and yet i remember a certian powder puff hazing in a chicago suburb that had alcohol provided by the parents. these stupid laws don't stop the stupid parents or their stupid kids from beating the living day lights out of underclassmen. it only punishes the good parents, the ones that might have riased their kids to drink a glass of wine with diner, it's good for you, and teaches people to drink responsibly, but no, we send kids to war at 18 and then after they die in iraq we realized they never got to legally drink, because they weren't old enough. do i drink, no. do i think the drinking age is heinis, totally just look at other cultures. am i in favor of inforcing DUI's yes, that is where you catch the bad ones. or even the good ones that make mistakes, law is necessary, it keeps us in line, two years ago i got a speeding ticket, i deserved it i was going thirty over, and ever since i've been a safer driver, and perhaps in a couple years i'll slip up agian and they'll catch me, i hope they can catch me, because speed kills. a ticket is a minor price. now taking away a kid because he snuck a glimpse at dady playin half life, now that ain't right, actually i think half life is a great kids game, the intriguing story , the wonderful puzzels, but alas it has some violence, is it real, no. and as such i wouldn't mind, heck i played half life when i was in middle school, great game, i feel like it was the first intelegent game i played, kinda like the first time a kid sees braveheart, to see compasion like that, its motivating, and thought provoking, i'll be darned if it was the charnage that is in my mind when i think of the film, wich i saw in eighth grade. no it's the dialogue, the emotion, the characters. that is where a parent steps in, they, and only they can know when their kid is ready for a certian media and when they aren't, not the government. darn you imbacon, if you want to take kids out of the hands of idiot parents, do you know how many adoption ready familys their are. sorry i spoke incorectly those families want unborn children, the kind that get aborted, but alas, that isn't as important as games any more, games kill people not abortions, heck any day now i'm sure partial birth abortions will be kosher. i'm sorry abortion is something irrelevant and fiathbased, what about education, oh no that's taken care of no children get left behind, that's what the president siad. parents have sucked at riasing kids since the begining of time(sorry about this for all you god parents out their, like mine, ignore this) but those bad parents keep on procreating and riasing a new generation of kids that know what not to do hopefully they have learned from their parents mistakes. i've seen kids that come from recked homes and make something of themselves, agian there is no accountability. with legalized abortions i thought that retarded people would stop having kids, but no crack hores still reproduce, so do rich lazy work aholics. you can't cure the idiot and you can't punish the smart good parents to get at the idiot either.

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I'm talking about the government enforcing this stuff to protect the children that are unfortunate enough to have parents too stupid or lazy to monitor what they play, and you're comparing the way I'm thinking to Hitler Wow....just WOW... Gee, maybe I'll come by wearing an SS uniform and goose step infront of your property sometime.

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wrong again! When in the public domain, freedom of speech is paramount. In a private domain, like using the message boards like these, which are property of an enterprise, you are subject to their laws. In other words, for those who have no clue what this means legally, you can walk on public land outside my home and say whatever you want, but once you step onto my land, I can boot you from it if I just don't like the way you look, much less what you say. That is why the mother of a killed marine from Iraq was able to protest outside Bush's ranch legally, but she sure couldn't step inside and do it. Oh, and about your line about the government acting for the greater good - that line has been used across the generations by many civilizations and has been the harbringer of much horror. Case in point - Hilter 1939. Ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition, quite a time they had for the 'greater good.' Study your history, maybe you will learn something.

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Freedom of Speech is subjective, Anyone who actually reads a message board's TOS knows that.

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I wonder where freedom of speech, and freedom of press went. Hmmm..... Nice Job America.

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I used porn as an example because that's another kind of material kids shouldn't be exposed to. And some of the "fictionalized" violence is very graphic. We are WAY too lax on too many things in America, because we're so afraid to step on toes, well sometimes for the greater good you gotta STOMP some toes!

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"imbacon dn3datomiced, Children who are more mature then their age are the minority. And that WOULD be good and fine if the parents DID decide, but they aren't they're letting the kids do as they wish, if the parent isn't going to watch out for the child's intrest who will? " Well, if the parent isn't watching out for the child, it's usually a good reason to call CPS. The government certainly has better things to worry about whether or not the small minority of neglectful parents are allowing their kids to see "inapropriate content" (even though it's a voluntary rating system). Like health care. Or our war on the world. Or the enviornment. Or the growing number of fatties. Or that joke of a president of the U.S.A. Or maybe world ******* HUNGER. Any of those sound like a reasonable facet to expend our time in? Here comes the logic train, last stop: you!

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"imbacon You're not allowed to buy porn for your kid either, your point? " Good to see we've become so stupid as to compare pornographic material with fictionalized violence or bad language. I believe that makes the score ESA-11, moron politicians-0.

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I fail to see how banning 8-year-olds from buying GTA is unconstitutional. This law, along with others barring sales to minors, doesn't prohibit free speech. People can still develop and sell M-rated games. Just not to minors. How is that any different from restricting minors from purchasing Playboy, Penthouse or any other adult magazine? How is it different from preventing children from entering R-rated movies? You also can't vote until you are 18. These laws do not restrict the right to express ideas or speech. They only stipulate that some speech is not appropriate for all people. This has been upheld and written into law numerous times. These are just a few examples.

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imbacon, make whatever call you want with YOUR kids, but simple minded morons like you are why these laws get pushed out. I don't need some conservative shmuck telling ME how to raise my kids. I don't need big brother in my home, in the mall, at the supermarket or up my butt everywhere I go. What I do in my own home is my choice, not yours and not these small minded idiots who you apparently agree with. Further, there IS a correlation between movies, tv and games. Studies that AREN'T biased have proven that they is not direct impact on any form of entertainment to result in increased habits of violence. The only ones that do are tainted and have shown to slant in the direction of intended results, and that's why all these pathetic laws keep getting overturned. imbacon, go read the constitution sometime - Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness, it's about freedom. This country was founded on the platform of removing oppressive government's oversight on everything we do, and allowing people to make choices of their own. Over the coarse of time, people like you seem to think that it's ok to chip away at those freedoms because people can't think for themselves and are better off ruled and told what to do and how to do it. You can't see beyond your own damn nose if you can't see what I'm saying here. I doubt it's EVEN worth the effort. So, make whatever justification you wish, but the bottom line is that when it comes to kids, parents should be the ultimate decision makers on these matters, not the government. Those few (and yes they are a dramatic minority) who show they can't properly raise their kids, then and only then should laws come into play to protect the child and punish the parent. However, preventative legislation aimed at end results that haven't been proven, that's not only poor government and an infringement on everything this country is based, but it's also a violation of basic fundamental rights as defined in the most sacred texts we follow. The bill of rights promises that we each have the right to free speach and expression, and there are more reasons why that should NEVER be infringed upon that I can type and I suspect you will ever understand. Keep spouting your misguided support for this, it only reinforces what others have been saying, it's wrong, it will not stand. And in the end you will also be the benefactor of those rights, because you will also be able to be as strict and conservative about what you let your kids do as you see fit (and boy do I feel sorry for them too). Nuff said

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I'm here to protest this evil rock and roll music thats undermining the......what? we arent protesting that anymore? ok then, i mean lets stop these indecient movies that are......no movie protesting going on these days either? damn, well then its all hip-hop musics fault with the gyrating and the pop-locking and such thats going to.......hmmmmmm nobody griping about that either... The internet? no? Homosexuality? don't tell me nobodys goin after them these days? no? ok,hmmmm, whats left? its obvious the whole worlds goin to hell we need to blame something other than ourselves after all. anyone got any ideas? we been letting the catholics alone too much how about them? no? jews? nah been done to death already. I know lets blame all of societys ills on VIDJA GAMES yea thats it or at least it will do until something better comes along.

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Wow, this is just frustrating. Not just because i'm a video gamer either. I mean it's really just against the constitution first off, and second there deciding what is "right" or "wrong" for your child! It's ridiculous, I mean parents should choose what they believe is appropriate for their child! Not some stupid politician who has no clue what he's talking about!

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You're not allowed to buy porn for your kid either, your point?

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The parent isn't even allowed to buy the game for the child, that isn't monitering; that's restricting rights.

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dn3datomiced, Children who are more mature then their age are the minority. And that WOULD be good and fine if the parents DID decide, but they aren't they're letting the kids do as they wish, if the parent isn't going to watch out for the child's intrest who will?

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gamer_10001 WTF! this will definently be overturned. They may be able to prevent games being sold directly to minors, but they can't stop parents/gaurdians from giving them the games. That's precisely the point. I was mature enough at a young age to handle violent content, but some children aren't. I really think that parents, not lawyers, should have the right to decide what is appropriate for THEIR OWN children. That's what being a parent is about, instilling the values YOU believe to be right in your child.

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I have to say from a british guys point of view all this violent game law stuff is damn funny sort your priorities out US politicians

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WTF! this will definently be overturned. They may be able to prevent games being sold directly to minors, but they can't stop parents/gaurdians from giving them the games.

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Thank god now i can get SCDA on he 18th :) damn my state and their laws

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What do you expect from a state that shares it's name with a Rodger's and Hammerstein musical?? They've been sheltered from all things PG since they were first declared a state.

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There is a huge difference between movies and a game! And if I don't let my kids play Doom the game, what makes you think I'm gonna let them watch Doom the movie?! But what do I know? I AM a stupid backwoods Missourian who hates America after all! *rolls eyes*

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IF laws like this get passed and the mass go along with it you can kiss off any decent video games . you'll be stuck with pong .. cause even PAC MAN ATE GHOST ... forget about Zelda which we grew up on cause he uses a sword and bow.. say goodbye to any and all Wrestling , Boxing , Fighting, . Lets not forget about our RPG's they are gone cause well people or animals die.. opps cant have that so well be stuck with borring games where no imagantion is used at all to play.. sorry cant have any WAR games or umm maybe even racing cause well people get hurt when they crash the cars.. people if laws like this get passed its the beging of the end of video games .... because companys cant survive these days on crap games unless your EA lol then your 3 out of 10 games that are ok help keep you afloat haha.. the bottom line is if the law gets passed then who gets to decide just what is right or wrong is there a ok way to kill someone in a game or is it ok to punch another boxer .. where does it end.. they will keep going as long as they think it gets them votes from the people who dont understand what they are voting for. Proud Parent of a kid who can beat your kid in HALO !!!! lol

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im sick of people trying to treat video games like alchohol. I got this analogy the other day, that if a parent buys an m rated game for their kids, its just like buying a 6 pack of beer and then giving it to them later. Video games dont get you drunk, and frankly, you cant blame something you do in real life on something that cj does in GTA:San Andreas. I mean, come on. whats wrong with these people. I mean, if i see a teenager on tv drink boos, that wont get me out of drinking a jack and coke in real life. come on. im tired of the government treating us like idiots. we all know what the difference between shooting someone with a grenade launcher in halo, and shooting someone and killing them in real life. I think that people that blame video games on something they did are just looking for an excuse. And in my mind, if you pass a law like this on video games, you have to pass a law like this for movies, books, and tv show too. Do you know what an outrage that would be? i mean PEOPLE WOULD RIOT!!!!. I think the correct thing to do is to make the kid that is trying to buy the game have his/her parent with them. And just because a couple of parents are oblivious, doesn't meant that every parent is a dumb-ass. So In Reality... I just think that the government can shove it. and leave it up to the parents to get this right. Its for the parent to decide what a kid eats, not the government, so why should this be any different. Who's With Me???

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Like jeeze, doesn't the State of Oklahoma and the United States District Judge have something better to do, like maybe judge a cereal killer or a mass raper or something?

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What a world we live in...

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I keep reverting to movies and music cause they are another form of entertainment, which is what video games are, entertainment, and you can't have separate laws for separate forms of entertainment more violent and realistic then video games. Thats just moronic. Its called backing a point, or did you not attend school. My point is that laws for this form of media should be no different then any other. Parents are the problem, not the games, so the industry nor the people who enjoy it should be crippled cause of it. You see blacklodus's response. He should go to jail for playing Call of Duty with his son, cause he parenst his child and his child isn't being warped from it. You don't punish everyone so you can punish the guilty. Thats the point. We don't need laws like this one to stop kids from playing GTA when they're too young. WE need laws that if a kid does and his crimes against humanity CAN BE TRACED back to the effects GTA had on his mind he should be held accountable and so should his parents. You keep saying the same thing over and over again, and its not even what the law is intending, the law is trying to keep these from being sold, but since they can't outlaw the game itself directly, they are making it impossible for them to be purchased which is the only way they could bannish the game. If it becomes a crime in OK for blacklodus to buy halo 3 for his son, he may not buy it. But what did that do, rob Bungie and Microsoft of selling a product it has a constitutional right to sell. IT keeps them from being a capitalist. It keeps them out of business. It bannishes the game without bannishing it. That's not a solution, that's a far worse problem. This law could cost the jobs of hard working americans cause you dont want to do your job as a parent, or because you don't want other people to have to do their job.

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Why are they trying to treat games like pornographic material, that's just idiotic. So a kid seeing the front of GTA of Halo would be the same as seeing a cover of some kind of porn. Give me a break.

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yes I AM sad, because noone seems to understand the implications of this. And don't change the subject, this is about GAMES, not movies. Stop deflecting the point at hand. And you wanna start playing the Rome card? Ok, in ancient Rome it was also perfectly acceptable to sacrafice and molest kids!

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Imbacon IT also says "SHOW" them games so you agree that lf l'm playing Call of duty 2 on my 60 HDTV in the living room and my son wants to hang out with me or just walks through that l should be considered a Criminal and be fined or go to jail or even worse a chance that my son gets taken away .. I do agree that parents who do not spend the time to police what his or her own child plays should learn better parenting skills.. but when you start passing laws allowing people to come into your home and arrest you for playing a fighting game infront of your own child . Something is really wrong there.. I think that if some of these yahoo's who are writing these laws maybe SPENT A HOUR A DAY with THEIR KIDS playing video games which might be a hobby for their child . They just might find out that the games are really good and allows them other forms of Fantasy besides reading books which my son also does.. I enjoy playing xbox 360 or PS2 with my son and lan parties with him and his friends . Nothing l compaires to your son being in one room and you in another and talking on the headsets playing a video game. These people passing these laws are from a differnt time NOT EVERYONE LIKES TO GO FISHING these days lol... So playing video games with my son is part of our father son time... ITs alot better spending years with him doing things HE LIKES TO DO that are not hurting anyone heck l've turned my whole basement 24 x 12 into a gaming room just for him and his friends to play so l can keep a eye on what they do and who they are with ect. l know not ever parent can go to these lengths but they can spend 20 or 30 mins with their kids and play their kids faviorte video game with them.. who knows we might gain another Gamer out of it =) ...

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Imbacon you're sad, really, and i'm not the only one who disagrees with you. You're missing the whole point, this law is a new concept because no other form of media has it in place. This would be a first. If a father buys the Matrix for his son who is twelve he's not committing a crime, but if blacklodus bought halo for his son it would be. Thats a shame. You can't seem to fathom that laws are intended to protect a society but not to regulate what forms of expression they engage in. 600 years ago in Rome gladiators killed each other in front of adults and children, that was barbaric and inappropriate but they witnessed it. This example is extreme but it compares to this day in age where we have movies like Lord of the Rings, Die Hard, Transporter, and so on and son, where people are killing people, but its not against the law for me to show me ten year old these movies, but it would be shame if I did, cause then I wouldn't be a good parent. Its politics my dear boy, there is too much money in movies and music and tv to place the same laws. You wouldn't get elected to office pushing a similiar law on hollywood, but you can if its for video games.

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jasonpa, "Wow you're from Missouri, that explains it, you're stupid." "What do you have to say about that you poor excuse for an American?" Ah personal insults, the last resort of the desperate, I marked you by the way. I will say this again, get this in your head, I'm not repeating myself again! This law is to do what inept parents don't seem to be capable of, to keep material unfit for children out of their hands by penalizing parents who buy it for them, there are other government laws and organizations in place for when the parents don't do their jobs, this isn't a new concept!

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I miss the days when you could buy toy guns at Toy's r us. :( Most kids know the diffrence between real violence and violent play. We should be passing laws / spending government money to find/treat kids with mental health issues early. Not punishing everyone because a few mentaly ill kids don't know the diffrence between reality and play.

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It's up to the PARENTs to police this stuff. If a minor goes to mommy and daddy and asks for a game with questionable content, it's their responsibility to judge what they deem is and isn't appropriate for their children. This forced legistlation by elements of our government to push laws that 'protect' us is out of control. These ultraconservatives can't stand that YOU, in your own home, play violent games, watch porn, smoke pot, and have pre-marital sex (or even sex that is not in line with thier ringwing sensibilities). SO....they push legislation. Thankfully these have been defeated time and again. What they don't understand is that we don't need more laws, we need more accountability. Little timmy isn't the one to fault when mom and pops decide that rather than be true parents and try to guide their growth by not only helping them with thier homework, or playing with them in the yard, but instead toss in a movie to be their babysitters, or let them play 10 hours of games. It's parents who must regulate these activities. And you don't need laws to enforce that either! We don't need the 'moral' right to sit in our living rooms and walk alongside us in the malls to watch over our shoulders and control what we do, we simply need to encourage parents to actually give a damn about thier kids activities, and stop blaming forms of entertainment that aren't warping their minds. This same stuff happens in Canada, in Europe, with far fewer controls, and guess what....MUCH less violence with their youths in relation to video games they play. What a waste of taxpayer dollars when their's so much more that we should be focussing on!

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Blacklodus, finally someone with brains. imbacon doesnt seem to understand that its not the games that cause kids to act out, its the parents who don't teach their kids that what is fictional is just that and should never enter real life. I know media shapes a mind, but if as a parent you've already shaped it so the media has no affect then you've done your job. We dont need laws like this we need better childrens services departments in our cities to keep idiot parents like imbacon from procreating. He may say he watches his kids but if he supports laws like this he's got the same view as the Taliban had. imbacon should be slapped for wanting a law that would violate a constitutional right.

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Way to go Blacklodus, you hit the nail on the head

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I would like to say that l live in Oklahoma and l control what my 10 year old son plays .. but l'll be damned if l'm told he can't play Army or boxing or fighting games because some law is passed telling me HOW TO RAISE MY SON. here's is a kicker for you last year 4 boys jumped my son and beat him up at school in the 3rd grade at which my son got suspended for trying to fight back they suspended him and the boy my son blooded his nose but the other 3 boys that were holding him and punching and kicking did'nt get suspended .. This shows you how messed up the school systems are these days. so l've had him in Karate for several months now just yesterday 2 boys bigger then him tried to beat him up and he beat both of them up and my son got susupended for deffending his self. I think this law should get shot down . If it does'nt then l'll be forced to break the law . I make sure my son does his homework and house work before he plays video games . and l monitor what he plays . If they want to tell me how to raise my son then by god they can pay for his clothes and kid games which he does'nt like to play and buy him other forms of movies or books to have him enjoy. and for you people who are saying.. I'll see you in court when your kid shoots my kid . GET REAL just because kids play Halo or boxing or street fighter does not mean your child is going to grow up and shot , fight ect .. ITs the way you raise your child and how YOU set an example I teach my son to defend his self never to start a fight but if struck to do what he can to resolve it as fast as possiable with out hurting the other person to bad.. IF he's not able to go to a teacher or get out of the fight before punches are thrown.. IF you want to talk about how this law will make better kids then your already look FOR HELP IN THE WRONG AREA .. only YOU can raise YOUR CHILD RIGHT .. dont let someone else tell how to do it then you loose your Right as a PARENT .... The bottom line is THIS LAW IS A WASTE OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS .. Do you really think that parents will stop their kids from playing their faviorte games just because some idiot tells you hey l know your son likes STARWARS but people are being killed with lightsabers and laser guns .. Give me a break. Why dont they pass a good law like paying higher wages so maybe one of the parents in a home does not have to work and can stay at home and Raise their kids better. without being so damn broke people have to live in crap houses and can't eat right.

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anime_boi, The problem with the ID check is that a kid goes, "Mom buy me this." the average ignorant parent who doesn't give a damn goes, "Duuuh ok!", and buys it.

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