Ninja Thinks Fortnite Streamers Caught Cheating Deserve Special Treatment

Ninja thinks FaZe Jarvis's permanent ban is "just silly."

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Popular streamer Ninja has provided his thoughts on FaZe Jarvis Khattri's permanent Fortnite ban, saying the punishment was too harsh for the pro gamer who was caught using aimbot cheats.

Tyler "Ninja" Blevins said Jarvis is a "stupid kid making a stupid decision" but felt that a permanent ban is "just silly." According to Ninja, content creators and regular players should be handled differently by companies seeking to dish out punishment.

"There's a difference between a content creator who has millions of subscribers, hundreds of thousands of followers, who gets banned from literally what makes him money and some kid who is a piece of s*** who has absolutely zero following, has zero money that comes from gaming, and hacks," Ninja said. "You ban that kid, nothing happens to him. Nothing happens. 'Oh no, he can't cheat anymore.' You ban Jarvis... It's different. The stakes are different, it should be handled a little bit differently.

"Just look at the situation. It needs to be handled different because it's different. A content creator cheating who's entire life is about the game he's playing and some random who has no YouTube channel, no Twitter account--he doesn't even care, he just cheats. He hacks to hack. You ban one, you ruin his life. You ban the other, he makes another account and keeps cheating. It's different. It has to be handled differently."

Ninja admits that his initial reaction was wrong later in the Mixer livestream but does believe the punishment for juveniles and an adult should be different, just as they are in the legal system.

"A kid cheating at a video game is a little bit different than a grown adult cheating at a video game. An adult should be able to experience and think things over and [reflect on] consequences because they've experienced life longer and they realize that everything in life has consequences," Ninja said. "As a child, they need to learn these things. Should the bans be the exact same? Technically not, because when someone usually commits murder past the age of 18 [or] 19 they're considered an adult and that's why they get tried as an adult. If you are under the age of 18 there's a reason [why] you're not tried as an adult right away because you're not mentally all there ... [The punishment] should be the same for all kids under the age of 18."

While he thinks the ban should "100 percent be there" and that Jarvis was "truly clueless" for not knowing the consequences, Ninja states that popular games like Fortnite will be affected if content creators are handed severe punishments and permabans. "Without your content creators as well, though, it has a negative impact on your game," Ninja said.

You can listen to Ninja's full thoughts in the stream below, where he starts discussing FaZe Jarvis at a little past the two-hour mark. More thoughts on Jarvis occur around the 2:43:00- and the 3:02:00-mark.

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I'm sorry but ninja is wrong you don't treat someone differently just because they're a content creator they violated the games tos/eula they suffer the consequences end of story for example if i blatantly cheated in an online game and got caught id expect to be banned.

Yes they made a stupid mistake but you know what people who feel the need to cheat in online games to gain unfair advantage over other players or ruin the gaming experience of other players shouldn't be playing games.

Jarvis Khattri was ruining the gaming experience of the other players he was against by using cheats/hacks and as such got what he deserved.

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They should obviously be treated differently.

The guy making tons of money from cheating should be arrested.

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Translation: I cheat from time to time, please stop scaring me like this. 😂

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this child needs to be boycotted.

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BULLSH*T.

A Cheater is a cheater. This "Content Creator" is free to create another account and play the game, he's just not going to be able to dupe anyone else, or, he can start streaming again using a "Kitty Bot" to mask his face.

I hear he's fond of Bots.

Ninja's comments, to my ears, sound like "I cheat too, just no one caught me, so I better try to make it seem like it's no big deal".

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He's got this back to front. The person making significant amounts of money from this should definitely NOT be treated less severely because it's more valuable to them. It's more important to make an example of them plus the ethics of them raking in loads of money in the first place by acting dishonestly is very questionable.

He got what he deserved.

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"Clearly, fame isn't everything" - Severus Snape

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You know what? Maybe Ninja is right. Maybe he does deserve special treatment. By that, I mean maybe he should be sued for copyright infringement as well and have his youtube channel be targeted and destroyed by Epic. While I do consider it abuse of the system, this punk has done it to others on youtube over people critiquing him for his confession of cheating and manually flagged videos, so maybe he needs a taste of his own medicine and it's not like Epic hasn't tried to claim cheating is copyright infringement before.

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For me, the worst part here is that so many kids are following - and idolizing - little pricks like these two.

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Everyone needs to get a life.

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No, Ninja, this is exactly the reason this cheater should be banned. Making millions off of cheating. Come on dude did the hair color seep into the brain?

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Banning this douche was the right move. End of story! Stop being arrogant and think your entitled to special treatment. Need money...? McDonalds is probably down the corner, and they need people.

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Mess with the bull, you get the horns, no matter how old you are...

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from a business standpoint, if times were tough I'd bet any publisher would agree, but epic games shit chineese gold, and i doubt they would be deterred from their decision.

for example if his favourite game was GR Breakpoint, pretty sure he'd still be there playing lol.

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So if you are poor, you should get permabanned for cheating but if you make money off of streaming then you should get a slap on the wrist for it? Is that what I am getting here? Is that the stupidest statement that Ninja could ever make? From what I can tell the answer is yes. NINJA HAVE YOU EVER READ THE TERMS OF SERVICE?

It says that if you change the program to gain an advantage, such as using wall hacks, aimbots and such that you will get banned for it. It is up to the discretion of the owner of said game to do that and the discretion of whoever runs the servers for said game to drop that ban hammer as hard they want.

When you literally post a video that gives evidence to the fact that you cheated by doing this, you deserve a permanent ban for it. The idiot basically admitted to doing in the video that he posted and you think that this is too harsh? What world are you living in, Ninja that you would think that a slap on the wrist means a whole lot to cheaters? That is like a murderer getting away with a year in jail for killing 10 people instead of getting life in prison.

He deserved the ban and nothing he is going to say or do (including the crocodile tears in his "apology" video.) is going to change that. TERMS OF SERVICE, live it, love it and remember it.

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Completely disagree. If anything, content creators deserve harsher penalties. Kid deserved the permaban. There's hundreds of other games he can still play. Just don't cheat at any of them.

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@Darkflare_EX: Yep, he got off lucky. Epic has sued cheaters for copyright infringement before. One could argue that he did get special treatment there.

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This is an era of feeling and everyone wins. This new generation is weak, childish, and has no clue how anything works. He should be banned for life

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What a ridiculous response. He's a kid so he is smart enough to play a video game and cheat but he's too dumb to realize the consequences of cheating?

Nowadays it's pretty clear what happens to cheaters. Regardless of your age. Adults are playing real games, so they really aren't thinking about how to cheat on crappy games in any case.

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Kid can go get a real job now and not be useless to society.

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Zero tolerance for cheating. Getting caught should warrant a lifetime ban. How is his status as a minor relevant? Who makes up the bulk of people playing videogames (especially this one)?

He knowingly used a third party app to cheat. He's advertising the app and the practice. Stop acting like this is some harsh punishment -- it's a videogame he can't play again; he's not being sent to jail. The idea that he may be popular from people watching other people play videogames is inane. A teenager (or anyone) banking on profiting from this as a "career" is preposterous.

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Missing the point entirely.

Ok kids, it's ok to cheat if you claim your just a stupid kid and you are popular...

I support the ban 100%

Ninja is probably a cheat himself.

While I don't play the game and personally think games in general are silly and kids should be playing outside or doing things more constructive. I think the kids that do play it should be all playing on a level field.

Maybe it's all the hair product to blame for the brainlessness?...

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@rbennett: Definitely agree. Although I do find it funny you think games in general are silly, but you have an account and posting on "GAMEspot"

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@XT14: I created the account to post on the topic. It showed up on a news thread and as a active parent of an 8 and 11 year old, who play the game and enjoy it as well as many of their friends, It hits a nerve about cheaters and people who think they deserve special treatment because they are "famous".

I played Cowboys and Indians , GI Joe, C64 and Atari as a child which I'm sure others think is silly. If you enjoy what you do and you're not harming anyone else, go for it. I'd just rather be doing other things is all. No disrespect intended.

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I agree with the sentiment that because he is a minor, he should receive a reduced punishment.

But, I disagree with the rationale that because he is a content creator, he gets a reduced punishment. It is likely he got popular due to the cheats. That means his entire career and success is predicated on the fact that he is a fraud.

Because of the enormity of the latter, I do think he should be banned from the game, at least for a while. He'll have to create a new account, preferably once he's an adult, and basically start over again, or fail.

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@Radnen: There is no reduced punishment for what he did. If he didn't post it up on YT and encourage others to cheat with aimbots, so he deserved a permaban for what he did. If he didn;t post it up on youtube and basically admit to cheating he probably would not have gotten a harsh punishment.

I mean it says on TOS on most games that if you modify the game in any way that gives you an advantage over others then you get banned. Since it is Epic Games that runs the servers and designed the multiplayer game then they have the right to dole out punishment as they see fit. If they give him a light punishment, what is to say that others won't cheat because they can get away with nothing but a slap on the wrist.

I played way too many games where my experience has been ruined by cheaters and I am glad that someone decided to take a stand and actually enforce their terms of service for their game. There should be no tolerance, especially when you are an influencer such as Jarvis is and Ninja also. That is why I wholeheartedly disagree with Ninja's entitled take on this whole situation. I mean do you get special treatment because you robbed a bank and you only got away with a thousand dollars? No, you are a criminal and deserve to be treated as such.

So that is my opinion on the matter and while I do understand where you are coming from I cannot agree that a punishment "for a while" is fitting here. He made it blatantly obvious that he was cheating and he showed himself doing that exactly while he was streaming. So whatever punishment they brought down on him, I believe he deserved it wholeheartedly.

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Sounds like he is got skeletons in his own closet. Permanent ban is not enough for people who ruin the gaming experience for others.

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They should both be banned from streamIng! He is espousing criminal behavior. It’s called FRAUD.

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Tyler "Ninja" Blevins is an idiot! No one cares what he thinks. I support the Fortnite ban!

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Ninja is a complete tool, who would have guessed? If you cheat the punishment should be the same no matter WHO you are. Dear god I didnt know I could dislike Ninja anymore then I already did, and then BAM he's like hold my beer...

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Burp to those comments, lul

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I'm not a sure a lifetime ban is necessarily fair for any first offender, but I will say that being a Pro, putting a video on YouTube or streaming yourself cheating isn't the smartest thing to do.

They did it to make an example out of him really. If you ban a Pro for life, the news spreads farthest. Is it fair, I dunno about that, but I don't think they should get special treatment. If anything, it should be harsher.

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They should get banned no matter whether they're a pro, a streamer, or just a casual player. Break the rules, suffer the consequences.

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What a clueless douchenozzle.

If creating content is your f***ing job, you should conduct yourself like a damn professional, starting with not cheating. If you have millions of followers - probably the vast majority of them younger viewers - you are, whether you like it or not, something of a role model and you should aspire to be a positive influence on your audience and the gaming community. Content creators should be held to a higher standard because they're making money of playing/streaming these games, and toxic behavior - whether it's trolling, cheating, or verbally assaulting other players - is detrimental to the game and the community and it's wholly unacceptable, especially by these pseudo-celebrities. And if they actually cared about preserving their livelihood, they would hold themselves to a higher standard and not act like the rules don't apply to them.

And if Epic buckles on this and reverses the ban, then f*** Epic. At that point, they will have conceded that these influences hold all the power and are more important to their games than the average joe who's playing just because they enjoy the game, not because they're pulling a paycheck from it.

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So Ninja is an idiot, I thought everybody already knew that...

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He is 100% wrong here.

People clearly know and understand that cheating is bad. And if a big-time idiot gets punished for all to see as a warning, even better.

And I'm betting he's thinking "he just lost his livelihood", but I'll say: play stupid games, win stupid prizes lol

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Easy come easy go.

Get a job Funboy.

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That's a really unhealthy thought pattern

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@moviespot: People who grow up playing kids games for a living will inevitably be spoiled brat adults. Once the lake runs dry, and oh boy it will, his career and qualifications are forfeit.

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No, what should happen is whether it's a kid or an adult, multi-million dollar streamer or casual non-streamer, the same punishment should be done to both to make it fair. If one is banned, the other should be as well. They can just move on to another game to do what they will either way. And yeah, content streamers get lots of money doing that if they're good enough...but that also doesn't mean they can't go out and get some kind of job elsewhere to earn money..even if not as much. So you're a content streamer..using a mic all day and night while you do. A new job? Try being a radio dj or something. streamer skills would help with that, i think.

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A popular streamer should be monetarily penalized and/ or sentenced in court because a top content creator should have a better understanding of right and wrong than some nobody.

Apparently Ninja is a self-entitled capitalist who values money over the difference between right and wrong, differently not the type of person I would want the younger generation to idolize.

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Content creators should be punished more severely.

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These streamers are full of it, People who make their money being in the public eye need to be held accountable and need to be given the same treatment as everyone else, Being let off because your famous or its your job sends the wrong message, And does he really think letting this idiot off would have a positive effect on the game? , It would leave the developer open to legal problems when ever they did permaban someone else.

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Lol. Cheating is a cheting. If the cry baby wanted to make such material, he could ask for help friend, that dose'nt care about Frotnite and set all to this person account. Than make stram, where he could be a guest for example. And about Ninja...its hard to find words to describe how disconnected from reality he is,.

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It's really hard to take seriously what a man that dyes his hair blue and calls himself Ninja says.

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