Next Mass Effect: BioWare "borrowing" many game systems from Dragon Age III

Montreal boss tweets picture of design document for upcoming game, says BioWare is "borrowing" many game systems from Dragon Age III.


BioWare Montreal is "borrowing" many game systems from Dragon Age: Inquisition to speed up development on the next Mass Effect title, studio director Yannick Roy said on Twitter today.

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After he tweeted a picture of a design document for the next Mass Effect, a fan suggested the game could be "years" away based on the heftiness of the folder.

Roy responded, "Don't worry: we have a large and talented team, we started a while ago, and we are 'borrowing' a lot of game systems from [Dragon Age III]."

None of these systems were detailed. Dragon Age: Inquisition was recently delayed a year from fall 2013 to fall 2014. In addition, the "III" was dropped from its title.

BioWare announced the next Mass Effect game last September. It will not feature Commander Shepard, as his story came to a close in last year's Mass Effect 3. The untitled game will run on the Frostbite 3 engine and, according to executive producer Casey Hudson, will be "fresh and new."

In addition to a new Mass Effect, BioWare is building an all-new IP and continues to work with Legendary Pictures on an upcoming Mass Effect film.

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This is very hard for me to say but I will not be buying any more bioware games until they can reflect why mass effect 2 was a ton better than mass effect 3. In ME2 all your choices mattered in the ending. If you decided to; not upgrade your ship, not do any of the side missions,and/or not do anything outside of the main story. Then your ending would be negatively affected Hell even though they were in the planning stages of ME3 they included a ending where shepard indeed dies. The difference in ME2's case is that the death of shepard makes sense as the player did nothing to give shepard a fighting chance. But also the death was given more weight as you see joker having to tell the illusive man that shepard died. Then if seeing joker tell this to the illusive man, the entire scene is shot slowly with really dramatic music. If that was not enough we then get a shot of shepherds casket as well as all of the caskets of the other dead crew members.

Now how did mass effect 3 treat it's ending? Well first off the ending broke one of the most important rules of any type of story based writing, Don't introduce a character during the climax or falling action part of a story. It broke this with the inclusion of the Star-Child. A character that says things that make zero sense and is just there for the dev team to try to explain why shepard MUST die in order for the galaxy to be saved. Hold on, Shepard does not have to die as he did not have to die in the previous two games. See what they should have done is the ME2 ending where the position of the "readiness gauge" decided if shepard lived or died. Instead of giving us something they promised they would never give us. An ABC ending. For those who don't know an ABC ending is an ending that gives you a clear choice between getting ending A,B, or C. In ME3's case its the choice between Blue,Red,or Green. Thats it! The game does not care about your choices in the past two games or for that matter the choices in this game. No matter what choice you made in these games it still ends up with you picking a color. **** You Bioware!

Also yes angry fanboys and gaming journalists I was a member of retake mass effect because this issue matters to me that much. So I say a very angry **** you to all the gaming journalists who claimed that retake mass effect was doing something wrong when it came to voicing our feelings about the game.

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Bioware screwed up with ME3 for several reasons. The first being that there was simply no need to explain the origin of the Reapers; nothing they came up with was going to live up to the speech given by Sovereign in Mass Effect 1, so they should have just left it a mystery. After all, we didn't need to know why they did what they did, only how we could stop them. There was a draft for a Dark Energy related arc which was IMO better than the Synthetics vs. Organics nonsense they pulled out at the last second, but they could have just left little hints to both ideas without explaining the Reaper motivation, and left us with a fun mystery for the fandom to debate.

The other problem was that someone clearly forced multiple endings in at the last moment, and we ended up with the Deus Ex style "all the endings are bad" option, except that personally I like how Deus Ex does it. I don't think anyone would have complained about a single ending, after all we all expected it to involve defeating the Reapers in some way. What was important for people was having their actions reflected in the ending, e.g - seeing your recovered assets and allies show up to help, and fighting alongside some of them in the final battle, along with all your party members (old and new). No-one would have complained about that (okay, well someone would, some people always do). They had all the elements for a great ending in the ME2 style; Shepard sacrifices themselves to save the galaxy from the Reapers for good, party members are lost etc., unless your galactic readiness was as high as possible, then your party members would survive and Shepard might.

As it is the only way to endure the ME3 ending is to pick Destroy, which seems to be the "correct" ending, and just ignore the fact that the Star Child was even in the game. Just pretend Shepard triggered the Crucible but was (maybe) killed in the process, the end.

For the next Mass Effect game I'm hoping for something with smaller, but more personal stakes. My vote would be for playing as a C-Sec officer on the Citadel, sometime during Shepard's absence at the start of ME2. This gives plenty of scope for bumping into fan favourites as a new character, gives us scope to play as different species, and gives us a chance to actually see more of the Citadel. I'd actually like to be able to roam around a big chunk of the Citadel, maybe even with free-roaming elements, unlocking new areas etc. Have the story centre around some seemingly unrelated investigations, throw in a troublesome Spectre who may or may not be rogue, and have it all come together into a bigger plot. I'd buy it.

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Yup and yup. The sad thing is that I'm still angry as hell and I mourn for what ME3 should have been more than a year later.

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I absolutely loved the original game, Mass Effect, but it didn't take too long into the "sequels" to just become ughhhh WTF? So ME2 I bought but never finished and don't really want to. Never even thought about buying ME3 but did have to listen to all of the hoopla about it.

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@Deathstroke_69 hope they do that i dont want to play as human

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oh and when u make a game ending, don't do an anticlimactic trip down philosophy lane with a last minute 'bad guy" that turns out to be a "good guy" and invalidates the entire existence of all creation.

ask other people let them see the ending before shipping the game don't think your gods' gift to humanity

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I really hope this is based like 1000 or more years after the Shepard arc. So this can truly be a fresh start. Especially after that ending...

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@SavoyPrime If its set in the future, it will be far off, so that the choices Shepard made wouldn't effect it, eg: we figure out synthesis. It could be in the past though, with the protheans or something but that's unlikely.

I was kind of expecting an MMORPG or an RTS, but I've little doubt that they are on their way.

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Hopefully they actually include an ending in their next game.

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I thought dragon age borrowed from mass effect after dragon age 2 (which the diolog UI is so similiar ) not the other way around XD well as long as they dont bring over DA's MMO style combat system (eeeww) I'm fine.. though I must say I really enjoyed DA origins

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As long as this borrowing doesn't necessarily mean cutting corners, I'm all for it.

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looks like a cum stain on that sofa. It's fairly gross.

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@dussan2 maybe its soda or something : /

u watch too much le pornz

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Still wondering why people hate EA. I mean, they got so many great games!
SimCity ? it's fucking awesome! just wait until they finish it.

Battlefield, Need for speed, this ones, Dragon Age ? ALL OF THEM ARE AWESOME!
(well, i haven't fully played Mass Effect though)
The Sims ? you aren't their target.

If you hate how EA "manages" all of these games, just leave it !
almost everybody want money, no matter what.
but what if you love the games ?
if you think EA is bad enough, pirate one or two. otherwise, RENT or TRY their games.

I'm pretty sure that many of you who said he/she hates EA actually love their games.

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why pissed off at mass effect 3 ending didnt bioware fixed that by releasing extended cut dlc

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They did, the new ending is pretty epic too. A sequel in that new universe would be really interesting. But these haters are gonna hate so **** em.

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I might be the only person on these boards who is actually excited about an ME game that has nothing to do with Shepard. The ME universe beyond Shepard is so interesting and has so much depth, but because the original trilogy was about Shepard we only really got to see a fraction of that. Everything else we had to learn through reading books and codex entries and stuff.

I dunno. The ME universe is one of the most interesting sci-fi settings to come about in a long time, and I'm pretty happy about the idea of it getting expanded and getting to explore it further.

As far as Dragon Age, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm far more skeptical about that then ME, since DAII was such a huge step backwards. I still think ME3 was a pretty amazing game despite the ending.

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Who cares? On a real basic level, Fallout 3 was basically a re-skin of TES Oblivion. They are both awesome and completely different games.

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i completely disagree that fallout3 was a re-skin. not even close.

great games, tho.

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It will be disgusting.

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HER story. Her. We all know that Shepard was female. They just included the option for a male character to placate male gamers. ;-)

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@VakarianGirl Lol and that's why no one likes femshep fans. :P

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Mac Walters, Lead Writer on the Mass Effect Series: “I’m Actually Just Working on” the Next ME

April 24, 2013 Written by Jason Dunning

Even though Sebastian didn’t think they actually happened, the Canadian Video Game Awards took place this past weekend (you can check out the winners here), with Far Cry 3, Assassin’s Creed III, and Mass Effect 3taking home pretty much every single award possible.

Following the awards ceremony, Mac Walters, Lead Writer on the Mass Effect series, held a Q&A, with reporting that he said, “Right now I’m actually just working on [the next Mass Effect]. It’s coming out of [BioWare] Montreal.” Mac then offered up a rather vague statement, saying that “I’m also working on other undisclosed things.”

The topic regarding the title of the next game within the Mass Effectseries has popped up before, with Chris Priestly, BioWare’s Community Manager, posting the following back in February:

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying “well, they’ll have to pick a canon ending”. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, because that makes people think of it more as “what happens after Mass Effect 3″ rather than “what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe”, which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don’t get bogged down in “well how are they going to continue ME3…”.

PS i got his info from a website.
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I'd like to point out that Mac Walters was only the lead writer for Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect was written by Drew Karpyshyn and Mass Effect 2 was co-written by Karpyshyn and Walters

I'm not going to say that he's directly responsible for the decline and eventual free-fall of the Mass Effect story, but all the evidence is there. **** this guy.

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I'm sick of Mac Walters. He's a hack, and he takes all the credit for the writing of the games, hell, he even said he was "the lead writer" for Mass Effect 1, once. What a ego-centric asshole. I don't feel like playing Mass Effect 4 when he's the lead writer, because i know the story will be terrible, even if there are shimmers of good writing here and there. He's not a consistently good writer, and that doesn't work in a game that is about story.

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It's pretty damn clear he's responsible for pretty much all the Cerberus nonsense that overtly dominated the series as it went on, just because he wrote The Illusive Man and had a permanent chubby for the organization. They went from actually being cool and believable to being God-modding, overpowered, over-funded "badasses" that are better at every other race at everything for no logical reason despite supposedly being a human splinter-cell group that's only a couple of decades old. Not to mention pretty much sidelining The Reapers as the main enemy by the end of the trilogy. Compare how the organization was portrayed in Drew's books and ME1 to ME2, ME3 and Mac's comics and it's pretty damn clear where the fault lies.

It doesn't really matter any more. Mass Effect is a dead series... as is BioWare as a company. They can't make RPGs any more, and clearly don't want to. They don't care about player agency, player choice and gameplay depth. They just want to make story-driven action games and tell their stories in the most linear, hands-off way possible. I'd say they want to create interactive movies, but even the term "Interactive" seems to be diminishing with each game they release.

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so Casey Hudson says it will be fresh and new...yeah, you also said me3 ending wouldn't give you a A,B or C option for the ending haha ^^ fool me once mr hudson...

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A: Who cares if they borrow some of the elements of their OWN game to make it a better experience? I mean it's there own engine that their borrowing from, & if the game is better off for it why complain?

B: If the new Mass Effect is going to be 'Fresh & new' why call it a Mass Effect game? (I'm not going to explain further because I will literally throw up on my keyboard).

As for the movie it's going to be terrible. The reason being is Mass Effect was a game full of choices & without that multiple choice element to make the movie interesting the movie is just going to be a crappy Si-Fi with the Mass Effect name tact on. I could imagine the terrible special effects in the movie to, not very great! Also, Mass Effect was a character driven game with third person shooter elements thrown in too make things fresh & interesting so it wouldn't be so boring, I can't say for sure but I could only imagine that movie being a Michael Bay movie action pact pile of shit!

But everyone has an opinion, no matter how shitty it may be.

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@Beau2010 well, you can call it as "Mass Effect" game if it is staged in the same universe. I thought that would have been pretty.....obvious? Maybe? Doesn't matter when or where......

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I like the Mass effect at all ( Whether we have another one or not !)

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I would love it if they made a space sim out of it. All the lore about how they work and all that is really interesting, along with what happens in spaceship battles. Unfortunately the games themselves never actually made use of this, all the coolest sounding battles were described in codex while what we really got was a bunch of ships that thought getting in super close was a good idea, and even then couldn't hit a damn thing (the Palaven cutscene was just LOL, they missed almost every shot, bombarding their own planet instead)

However knowing EA the game will probably be just an FPS :(

Hopefully whatever it is (and if they give dialogue options) they at least stop using the obnoxious autodialogue. Hated that far more than the endings in ME3.

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hopefully the next DA game looks great. wasn't a fan of how the previously games looked or ran on the ps3.

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wtf people are seriously bitching about them using THEIR engine to make THEIR games???? dafq.

if DA:I is great (I have high hopes it will be) then a few tweaks and they can adapt the engine to any game they want :/

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this is good news cause I don't want to wait 5 years for my mass effect dose XD

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God forbid someone think of something original.

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Just finished Dead Space 3 and, even though I enjoyed the game, it seems that they have turned it into Mass Effect. I don't like what EA is doing, they have ruined Dragon Age, Mass Effect and now Dead Space.

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I have no hope for either DA 3 or next ME, not saying they will utterly suck but i rely doubt they will turn out great.

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I get the feeling that DA3 and ME3 will be nothing like either of their first games. Just a feeling, and I don't like it.

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Loved ALL of the ME games. Loved the regular ending and the extended. Loved ALL of the DLC. I have enjoyed multiple plays and plan on doing it again. All of the haters can continue to moan and wail. I will continue to enjoy one of the greatest video game franchises of all time. Take your time Bioware...but give me more Mass Effect!!!

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6) I'm going to wait until we see some actual gameplay for DAI or Mass Effect 4 before passing judgement. I'll probably end up enjoying both DAI and TW3 because I love RPG's and don't see the point of choosing just one of them. (It's people like this who make me happy to be a gamer. Unfortunately they're very elusive and have the brains to avoid the comment sections on this website.)

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;) Thanks Auriken, saved me lots o' typing.

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Great...another comment section for people to bitch about Bioware. Let me narrow this down for you so you don't have to scroll through the usual hateful shit that populates these comment sections. These are the people who will post in this comment section. Actually...every comment section about Bioware.

1) EA ruined Bioware! (A MILLION LIKES!)

2) We don't know what systems they're talking about, but if they have to borrow anything then the game is going to suck. (Seriously, how retarded can you be? If this is how you think, then you're hating just because you like to hate.)

3) Don't even care. I like going into every Bioware article just to say how much I don't care. Because I don't care! (MILLION LIKES!)

4) I'm going to compare this game to [insert whatever CDPR is making right now]. Because I'm mentally and emotionally incapable of enjoying multiple games from the same genre from different developers at the same time. (I'm probably going to like both games a lot. I don't see why these comments keep popping up.) (MILLION LIKES!) (...nevermind.)

5) Just let the series die! Stop milking the franchise! Why do companies have to keep making sequels?! By the way did you see that new Halo trailer? Awesome! (Hypocrite, thy name is gamer)

6) I'm going to wait until we see some actual gameplay for DAI or Mass Effect 4 before passing judgement. I'll probably end up enjoying both DAI and TW3 because I love RPG's and don't see the point of choosing just one of them. (It's people like this who make me happy to be a gamer. Unfortunately they're very elusive and have the brains to avoid the comment sections on this website.)

There you go. That just about sums up what you can expect from this comments section.

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@Auriken You forgot the people commenting saying "OMG OMG OMG OMG GIVE ME MORE RPGS OR I'M GOING TO DIE!!!!!"

I like those people.

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You forgot 7) I'm going to put everything I hate about comments (because I am psychic: I know they will be there) in the comment section. My superior intellect will tell everyone exactly how they must feel (the same way I do, of course), and I am going to bitch and moan about these comments without ever realising that I am now one of those idiots I claim to hate.

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It's not his fault he's right...

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@Auriken Oh yeah, typical GS community.

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@Auriken That about sums it up.

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I'll reserve judgment until it's out because I'm not a crazy person.

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anybody familiar would agree that bioware massacred the VERY IDENTITY of the entire universe with its cannon ending. why would anyone want to play this anymore? seriously?