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Kinect has problems recognizing dark-skinned users?

[UPDATE] GameSpot testing suggests facial recognition features of motion-sensing camera system might not work properly for some gamers; Microsoft says lighting levels to blame.

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Source: In testing the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees had problems getting the system's facial recognition features to work.

What we heard: Part of Microsoft's $500 million marketing push for Kinect includes positioning it as an accessible entertainment device for all audiences. However, it may be more accessible to some than others.

While testing out the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees experienced problems with the system's facial recognition abilities. The system recognized one employee inconsistently, while it was never able to properly identify the other despite repeated calibration attempts. However, Kinect had no problems identifying a third dark-skinned GameSpot employee, recognizing his face after a single calibration. Lighter-skinned employees were also consistently picked up on the first try.

Not all games make much use of Kinect's facial recognition features.
Not all games make much use of Kinect's facial recognition features.

It's important to note that the problems were only experienced with the system's facial recognition feature and don't prevent users from playing Kinect games. Skeletal tracking, a primary means of controlling games with Kinect, appeared to work the same for all GameSpot employees.

The system's inability to recognize a user only means that he or she would need to sign in manually and some games' features may not work properly as a result. For example, when a second player joins in to Kinect Adventures during the title's drop-in, drop-out multiplayer, the system can't bring up that player's proper in-game avatar automatically if it can't identify the new user first.

If Kinect does have some technical issues related to users' pigmentation, it wouldn't be a first for recognition technology. Last holiday season, users of Hewlett-Packard computers with built-in webcams reported problems with a face-tracking feature.

HP blamed the problem on the webcam's technology, "standard algorithms that measure the difference in intensity of contrast between the eyes and the upper cheek and nose." It said the system could have problems "seeing" that contrast if there is insufficient foreground lighting.

[UPDATE 11/4] GameSpot continued its testing of Kinect today with more users in different rooms and different clothing. At first, the two employees who originally would not be recognized by the camera were correctly identified on the first try. However, when one changed from a light blue shirt to a black shirt (but stayed in the same room with the same lighting), the camera again failed to recognize him after multiple calibration tests. It also failed to recognize another darker-skinned GameSpot employee after four calibration attempts.

Somehow, those issues may not completely undermine the camera's ability to use facial recognition features. Despite the Xbox 360's insistence that it could not recognize some of the GameSpot employees immediately after calibration, the system was able to recognize them and sign them in properly when they waved at the camera, regardless of their clothing.

The official story: "The goal of Kinect is to break down the barriers for everyone to play, and it will work with people of all shapes and ethnicities at launch."--A Microsoft representative, who added that Kinect owners having calibration or recognition problems can call 1-800-4-MY-XBOX.

[UPDATE 2]: After the additional testing, Microsoft provided further comment, saying, "Kinect works with people of all skin tones. And just like a camera, optimal lighting is best. Anyone experiencing issues with facial recognition should adjust their lighting settings, as instructed in the Kinect Tuner."

Bogus or not bogus: Not bogus that Kinect has problems identifying some users. Abstain on how widespread those problems are, or whether they're due to skin color at all. With the system launching tonight and Microsoft expecting to sell 5 million by year's end, it shouldn't be long before the scope and cause of such problems are identified.

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The only game I was looking forward to, and what made me somewhat interested in Kinect was "Sonic Free Riders" and now that has gotten some pretty absymal reviews, so I don't know. Knect could be the biggest failure since Virtual Boy. Too bad.

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Wow!! Kinect don't like black people.

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F****** LOL'ing.

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@damo320 why is it an errant story? Gamespot tested it multiple times and the facial recognition system failed repeatedly on two of its employees. They have reported their observations.

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BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Microsoft analysts soon to announce 5 million suckers!!!!

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@Rekunta ROFL XD Mr. Popo would be pissed.

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RACIST HARDWARE!!

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Microsoft expect to sell 5 million of these? Perhaps once they have slashed it's price in half and some games worth playing are released/announced. Until then i seriously think Microsoft are a bit over-confident of their new toy.

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why should we need more than the normal basic lighting in the room (or change the colour of our clothes, lol), wasn't this supposed to be brand new advanced camera techonology, with RGB and in-depth infrared whatever sensoring, funny how in the end it's no more advanced than your average webcam, or the PS2 EyeToy :)

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Basic physics, not racism. Get real people. However MS should test it properly... if it's even possible with current cameras in Kinect. Basic advice for everyone - use better lighting no metter what skin color you are. It does NOT work in the dark for anyone

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Why does news story read like a joke "two dark-skinned employees" , I know this is a video game website, but seriously.

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This "story" has already been debunked: << LINK REMOVED >> How long is Gamespot planning to run with this errant story which is only feeding the trolls?

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more gimmick fail! has nothing to do with the person, its just an inconsistant piece of trash that cant 'connect'

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problem after problem after problem yet it is microsoft lol

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Funny. I was sure the voice recognition would be the main problem, but racia-err... facial recognition? Weird. So to play the Kinect you have to be in a brightly-lit room, wearing non-dark clothes with at least 6 feet between you and the Kamera? I don't think my room has that much space, and I certainly don't like playing my games with a bunch of lights on. Again, I really think this is a great proof-of-concept prototype MS has come up with, but no where NEAR ready to be a "motion controller" of any sort.

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Sooo im guessing Microsoft has only white game testers?...

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tahah i remember a similar thing.. was on youtube.. a dell laptop had face tracking tech on the webcam.. followed a white face around perfectly but completely ignored a black one.. hilarious

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The title : ' Kinect has problems recognizing dark-skinned users? ' LOL. wow

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I just called some of my black friends that were thinking of getting this and they are pissed and offended that they aint getting it i hope it fails microsoft would do this it may or may not have been racism. I believe that this may be because they did not want to beef up the hardware i heard that originally it was supposed to have a cpu but they wanted to be cheap on the hardware and charge a butload for the product lame

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I am not a fan of Microsoft by any means but it's pretty ignorant to say that they are racist. I wouldn't have a use for Kinect anyway because my TV is right in front of my bed so I don't stand to play games. I also don't like playing games in a lit up room, total darkness for me.

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Dave Chappelle: "Some people think black people look alike. We call them police." Microsoft is the po-po.

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hardware limitations is now called racism,

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Following a logical progression, the Kinect is perfect for albinos and mimes.

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@aGiantSquirrel Sorry, but I have a Wii and Xbox and I don't find any similarity at all. Next year is looking just fine, if you don't cloud your judgement with PS3 cateract eyes. And oh, the M$ dollar sign is getting so old ... no doubt thought up long ago by some witty P$$$$$$$$ 3 child.

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HaHaHa EPIC news of 2010 :P ... made me ROFL lol :lol:

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well that suck for them, but i already know it was going to have problem i just didnt know i wasnt going to that

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I remember setting up the EyeToy on my PS2 a couple of years back. Had to do a lot adjustments to the lighting in the room, and it was important to wear clothes contrasting with the background in the room in order for the camera to pick up and register my movements...and here we are with the Kinect and it's not one single bit more advanced than the technology in the nearly 10-year old PS2 EyeToy, lmao at this epic fail :)

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The best epic fail of 2010. xD

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Omg when i go to work tomorrow I'm not gonna be able to return this. black guy walks in to the store I need to return this it doesn't work.umm its not the camera its you please contact Microsoft.

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Stop with the derogatory comments. Microsoft is a trusted leader and this is just hearsay on the KKKinect.

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MS is racist... Yo DAWG Imma not gonna buy MSoft!

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"Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal", yeah that sounds like a neutral and unbiased site that's not gonna try and portray the Kinect in a good light ;)

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Come on where are the you tube videos of the black guy trying to use his kinect.

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This is bad. Though I don't have an xbox, I really wish for kinect success. I'm not so interested in motion control, but technologies always catch my eyes.

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Black Guy: wow can I play with Kinect? Me: Sorry, Kinect can't see you

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>bestbuy319 Of course it would work for you. That's how Microsoft programed it!

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Wow, this is just......Wow. And MS blames it on the lighting....Riiiiiight.

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I always knew micosoft are racist jk

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@Stesilaus LOL!!!! :D I bet Nintendo and $ony are enjoying this charade as much as we all are!

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Wow, i have to be white and my room has to the size of a small warehouse to play this gimmick? FAIL

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@SHEN4N1G4NS I wish that were true but in reality most Americans buy crap just to be, "in the loop" and have the latest thing to brag about to their neighbor, regardless if they actually want or need it. So because of this, it will sell, as sad as it is to say its just the way it is, people will buy anything when a $500 million marketing budget is behind it telling them to.

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Further proof that kinect is nothing more than an over-priced webcam. I guess Black players will need to buy a spot light to shine on their faces for them to be recognized!! LOL!!!!! Way to go M$, the secret is out!..........you FAILED.

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Thanks to this story, Gamespot has earned mention in an Associated Press news article! :P Here it is on << LINK REMOVED >>.

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New Tech New Problems "I think I will pass on this one"

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i wonder if Kinet is going to get a RRoD? hmm...

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