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Kinect has problems recognizing dark-skinned users?

[UPDATE] GameSpot testing suggests facial recognition features of motion-sensing camera system might not work properly for some gamers; Microsoft says lighting levels to blame.

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Source: In testing the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees had problems getting the system's facial recognition features to work.

What we heard: Part of Microsoft's $500 million marketing push for Kinect includes positioning it as an accessible entertainment device for all audiences. However, it may be more accessible to some than others.

While testing out the Kinect, two dark-skinned GameSpot employees experienced problems with the system's facial recognition abilities. The system recognized one employee inconsistently, while it was never able to properly identify the other despite repeated calibration attempts. However, Kinect had no problems identifying a third dark-skinned GameSpot employee, recognizing his face after a single calibration. Lighter-skinned employees were also consistently picked up on the first try.

Not all games make much use of Kinect's facial recognition features.
Not all games make much use of Kinect's facial recognition features.

It's important to note that the problems were only experienced with the system's facial recognition feature and don't prevent users from playing Kinect games. Skeletal tracking, a primary means of controlling games with Kinect, appeared to work the same for all GameSpot employees.

The system's inability to recognize a user only means that he or she would need to sign in manually and some games' features may not work properly as a result. For example, when a second player joins in to Kinect Adventures during the title's drop-in, drop-out multiplayer, the system can't bring up that player's proper in-game avatar automatically if it can't identify the new user first.

If Kinect does have some technical issues related to users' pigmentation, it wouldn't be a first for recognition technology. Last holiday season, users of Hewlett-Packard computers with built-in webcams reported problems with a face-tracking feature.

HP blamed the problem on the webcam's technology, "standard algorithms that measure the difference in intensity of contrast between the eyes and the upper cheek and nose." It said the system could have problems "seeing" that contrast if there is insufficient foreground lighting.

[UPDATE 11/4] GameSpot continued its testing of Kinect today with more users in different rooms and different clothing. At first, the two employees who originally would not be recognized by the camera were correctly identified on the first try. However, when one changed from a light blue shirt to a black shirt (but stayed in the same room with the same lighting), the camera again failed to recognize him after multiple calibration tests. It also failed to recognize another darker-skinned GameSpot employee after four calibration attempts.

Somehow, those issues may not completely undermine the camera's ability to use facial recognition features. Despite the Xbox 360's insistence that it could not recognize some of the GameSpot employees immediately after calibration, the system was able to recognize them and sign them in properly when they waved at the camera, regardless of their clothing.

The official story: "The goal of Kinect is to break down the barriers for everyone to play, and it will work with people of all shapes and ethnicities at launch."--A Microsoft representative, who added that Kinect owners having calibration or recognition problems can call 1-800-4-MY-XBOX.

[UPDATE 2]: After the additional testing, Microsoft provided further comment, saying, "Kinect works with people of all skin tones. And just like a camera, optimal lighting is best. Anyone experiencing issues with facial recognition should adjust their lighting settings, as instructed in the Kinect Tuner."

Bogus or not bogus: Not bogus that Kinect has problems identifying some users. Abstain on how widespread those problems are, or whether they're due to skin color at all. With the system launching tonight and Microsoft expecting to sell 5 million by year's end, it shouldn't be long before the scope and cause of such problems are identified.

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Microsoft only has white testers cause they fear their hardware could get stolen :p

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LMFAO! All jokes aside, OF course it's due to lighting. Almost every single person I know has poor lighting in their homes.

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@CoRiNi - lol I'll keep an eye out ;)

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@pecan50 I heard that Microsoft employees can see you through the camera , be careful dude

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well at least it will still recognize you when your naked

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You know, I bet it doesn't always recognise light-skinned users on the first try either. But there's no story in that, is there?

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What the hell? A lot of people are saying "Haha thats racism" or "lol racism at its finest". How is racism even funny, or fine? Fact is that its not racist, its just a bad camera. Watch an updated kinect come out.

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it's called turn on a light

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So... this new technology isn't perfect and don't work properly. It's absolutely normal. I think I'll stick with my usual joysticks and keyboards, thanks.

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the confederates are coming!!

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You know it's a bad day when Gamespot gets pwned by Consumer Reports. @noturfangirl: CR is about as unbiased as it gets. They accept no advertising, and do not allow their name to be used when a company promotes a product. If a commercial says a product is "highly rated by a leading consumer magazine," the magazine is most likely CR. Gamespot needs to issue a full retraction of the story and issue an apology to Microsoft.

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@damo320 Oh its been debunked? How convenient and unbiased! Riiiiight! Oh well, we all knew this thing was going to be an Epic Fail. Black folks must go to home depot and purchase a spot light for their faces to play kinect! LMFAO!

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lmao

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HAHAHA!! On top of being a ridiculous thing for gaming, its racist...........priceless!!!

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that kills one of the big features, the auto login was a great idea and hopefully some sort of patch can be made

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HAHA kinect is racist

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I have dark skin and I found that overhead lighting was initially causing a problem for my face recognition; so I turned it off and the recognition system then worked fine. It's not always a matter of having enough light. Sometimes it's that you have too much light that creates excessive shadow on part of a person's face. This system is working great and I love it.

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Wow...Just wow.

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I still don't know if im going to get Kinect only cause i don't won't to feel like a complete jack@ss throwing myself around the room! After seeing X-play and how they looked playing it i could not help but laugh! And like @Zain-Midori said racism at it finest!LOL But anyway i don't think that it will have to much problems cause if there was i don't think m$ would set themselves up for a lawsuit. After all that red rings stuff i don't think they would won't to go through something like that again!

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Racism at its finest LMAO!!!!!

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wow gamespot, pretty grimmy stirring the pot like this. pretty grimmy.

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@Robertwarnes91 There was a little black girl using Kinect live when they unveiled it. There are black families in their commercials too.

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Sorry M$, I really don't see 5 million Kinects sold in two months. Maybe by this time next year, MAYBE, but it won't be the big time seller you want to be. I just really can't see it. Besides, I see the media jumping all over this ignoring whatever M$ has to say about the technical details of the product.

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@robertwarnes91 There is one with a black girl playing Kinectimals. But anyway, Micro$oft really knows how to build up a great company image, first the three red lights of death suicidal consoles and now a "no-dark-skinners" hardware! Way to go MS! Keep it up! ROTFL

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Band-Aid, Crayola, and now MS! :p

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@DuaneDog no the Wii and Move are better because you actually have a controller xD This thing might be advance and different but that's not always good especially when you get rid of the controller >:(

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Kinect is RACIST ! LOL ! (:

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\/ At e3 a black guy did like a 5 minute demonstration

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Now that I think about it, I've never seen a Kinect advertisement with black people in it.

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Shocking that it wasn't tested more, people with darker skin are effectively getting less of a product, thats not on at all.

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It's really funny, but it sucks really bad too :\

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I can understand this happening, and it could be the same problem as the HP webca problem you mention. Some of the fastest feature recognition algorithms translate the images to black and white and then look for differences in contrast. Some of the facial features you need to get out of the image are based on shadows occuring due to your face not being a flat surface, and thus, in darker skin people, these shadows are less obvious and harder to detect, making it harder to recognise the person. Still, I would be surprised if MS didn't take such basic issues into account and did not employ better facial recognition software.

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lol, i can just imagine the xbox.... "but they all look the same"

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Very sensationalist Gamespot. Not like you...

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A racist gaming peripheral, you gotta love modern gaming...

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what if i play with the lights off?

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99 more to 1000..

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GS trolling again.

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Sensationalist guff if you ask me. There were 2 or 3 points in there which were quickly reversed whilst omitting that the camera did work after all when waving at it, so what's the beef, really!?

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Is it cos i'm black? XD

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wait until Chuck Norris buy one of this...He might need to shave his chest hair...

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This will not do, can't have a racist game system in my house!

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Looks like Gamespot is making a big issue out of nothing.

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@drummerdickens LOL!!! Good one!!! I guess MJ would be happy about this Kinect issue!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA l lauhged at this, not cuz im racist, but becasue, well.. microsoft failed.. after their overconfident hype, its a good thing

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Eminem wishes his Kinect didn't work for him.

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I don't know about how well it works with dark skinned users but after spending about six hours with it yesterday with my family I'm truely amazed by the technology. The reaction is nearly instant and almost always precise. As a hardcore gamer myself this never really interested me all that much because as we know this first line up of games is pretty weak. But I now think it's just a matter of time. The technology Microsoft has here is staggering and light years beyond what Nintendo and Sony are with gaming. To even suggest that Kinect is just an eye camera or that Wii is in the same league as Kinect is a joke.

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