Iron Fist Actor Responds To Negative Reviews

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Ahead of Iron Fist's premiere on March 17, reviews for the new Netflix show came online--and they were probably not what Netflix would have wanted. A number of high-profile outlets wrote mostly negative reviews of the superhero action show.

Now, star Finn Jones (Game of Thrones) has responded. Speaking to Metro (via CBM), Jones started off by saying Iron Fist was made for fans, not critics, which might explain some of the lower scores.

"These shows are not made for critics, they are first and foremost made for the fans," he said. "I also think some of the reviews we saw were seeing the show through a very specific lens, and I think when the fans of the Marvel Netflix world and fans of the comic books view the show through the lens of just wanting to enjoy a superhero show, then they will really enjoy what they see."

"I think it's a fantastic show which is really fun and I think it stands up there with the other Defenders' shows without a doubt."

For what it's worth, critics were only shown six of the 13 episodes in Iron Fist's first season.

Entertainment Weekly said about the first episodes, "Iron Fist--devoid of vision, lacking in executional chops--barely even tries." The Hollywood Reporter said, "Iron Fist feels like a step backward on every level, a major disappointment..." while Collider weighed in with, "Despite a very good cast and a great origin story, Iron Fist is predictable, a little hammy, and has no real sense of how to tell a cohesive story." For more on the critical reaction to Season 1, go to GameSpot sister site Metacritic.

Iron Fist is the fourth Marvel show made for Netflix, following Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage. In addition to Finn, it stars David Wenham, Rosario Dawson, and Jessica Henwick.

The events of Iron Fist will tie into The Defenders, the superhero team-up show that will also feature Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage. The first season is expected in late 2017--click here to see official images.

Iron Fist Season 1 hits Netflix in its entirety on March 17, 2017.

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I thought Iron Fist was very good. The Danny character at times was a bit whiny, but the story was good. I did like it better than Luke Cage, but not as well as I liked Daredevil. About the same as I liked Jessica Jones.

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I finished the final episode of Iron Fist last night and rank the shows as follows:

1. Daredevil

2. Luke Cage

3. Jessica Jones

4. Iron Fist

Shows like this require a great villain to serve as a counterpoint to the hero. Sadly, Harold Meacham and this show's version of the Hand didn't cut it. I liked the Colleen Wing character as well as Davos, however Joy and Ward were all over the place. I'll also have to pass on the Claire Temple character this time around. While I appreciate the continuity she brings to the material, her flip flopping between they butchered my friends and we can't kill them was really annoying.

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I'll give it a shot....but I want Punisher next

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critic

  1. 1. a person who expresses an unfavourable opinion of something."critics of the new legislation say it is too broad"
    detractor, censurer, attacker, fault-finder, carper, backbiter, caviller, reviler, vilifier, traducer, disparager, denigrator, deprecator, belittler; informalknocker, nitpicker;

    In other words, another a-hole with an opinion… no better or qualified than anybody else… I trust a “professional” reviewer/opinionater no more than I do all the thousands of reviews/comments on Netflix.

    I’ll let myself be the judge & go with my own vibes/first impression before I listen to anyone else. So far it looks my style tho or watchable/entertaining at least, & since I liked all the other Marvels they would have to f*** up hard for me not to like this 1

    I’d give it a few episodes at least to see how it goes since some of these things tend to start out slow but get better the more you watch, which has been the case for every Marvel series.

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Has to be better than Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Both terrible. Daredevil is a GREAT show so maybe this will hold up.

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@edwardnygma: **** no. I guess u must've been watching a different show b/c Luke Cage was top notch

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@urbanman2004: You must have been because Luke Cage was a joke.

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@edwardnygma: No point in arguing, u have no taste. I blame your mom

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@urbanman2004: You're right. There is no point. I have intellect and taste. You? You can't even spell "you" correctly.

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@edwardnygma: Oh my, touchy

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@edwardnygma: Luke Cage was actually excellent. But to get the full feel of it, growing up 'black' definitely helps. Jessica Jones' dark and assholic feel of her character was great not to mention good plot devices.

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@edwardnygma: Holy smokes...I can't believe you didn't like Luke Cage

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I hate that excuse.

First, critics can qualify as fans. Second, fans deserve quality. I've always felt like "We make this for fans" is insulting when the show is legitimately bad. I guess we'll find out for ourselves soon, but it seems unlikely that critics would get Iron Fist wrong after Marvel has had such a string of hits.

At least when BvS sucked they said "We'll let fans decide" instead of just assuming we're all brainless and meant to like it regardless of critics.

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@Greyfox-101: My sentiments exactly. Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke Cage received overwhelming great reviews. But we'll be the judge.

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Can't be worse than Jessica Jones. Surely not. I don't want to invest my time in another 10 episodes of boring table setting followed by a crap finale.

I'm hoping the Iron Fist series takes a few pointers from the single-take fight scenes in Daredevil.

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@n0pe: Jessica Jones was pretty good. Just that Daredevil was damn near superb. Lot to live up to.

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@n0pe: Yet i preferred JJ over Daredevil and Luke Cage?

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@analgrin: What did you like about the show? Were you familiar with the source material?

I thought JJ S1 was painfully slow, uneventful and felt a little low budget. The trailer and first episode had me intrigued, but it wasn't the show that I thought it was going to be. It seemed like 90% of it was about Jess getting drunk and being a bitch. I thought S1 failed as a drama and a popcorn superhero show.

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@n0pe: Not familiar with source material no. Firstly I admit I rather like Krysten Ritter. Something about her I find alluring even in depressed mode :)

I loved the villain ( played by David Tenant) I like how he actually uses his powers like most hot bloodied (read perverted lol) men would. That gave the whole show a really quite dark twisted feel which I found refreshing. I guess I liked the dark dreary adult feel of the show. Daredevil and Luke Cage came across as a bit more cheesy and very familiar and predictable, felt like they're made more for teenagers.

JJ just felt more adult and different to everything else. Yeah it got a bit slow in the second half but I quite liked the finale.

Luke Cage I found watchable but that's about it. Same with DareDevil, the only time it was better than "okay" was the episodes featuring The Punisher.

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It's got to be better than Luke Cage at least. Lukes awesome from the trailer.

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I'm inclined to believe this sucks without having seen it. I thought Jessica Jones sucked and while I loved Luke Cage in the comics, his show was pretty damn boring. So far, only Daredevil has been really good if not great.

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@DETfaninATL: I've had the same experience with the Marvel Netflix. I love Daredevil for the most part. Couldn't even finish Jessica Jones despite loving the character. Felt like a CW show. And while the dialogue and atmosphere and cultural exploration in Luke Cage was great, the show just didn't have much of a plot to drive the show forward. It became too obvious entirely too quickly. Daredevil has its flaws but at least it wields several narratives simultaneously with mostly strong emotional payoffs for their struggles.

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@mephisto1138: Of the 3 series, Luke Cage was the only one that I finished.

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As a fan of comics, I'd prefer live action adaptations to not suck. Which "fans" are these filmmakers/actors always cherry picking when they make these asinine comments?

"Making it for the fans" as defense for crap is so insulting to "fans." Like they're all tasteless hacks that will watch anything.

I don't know who Nolan made Batman Begins and Dark Knight for - himself? his kids? Cillian Murphy? - but that should really be everyone's target "fans" if that's the quality that results.

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@mephisto1138: Considering the reviewers are only bashing on it since Iron Fist is white (which he is in the comics)

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Critics seem to hate anything that combines wuxia with white people. Marco Polo, Into the Badlands, The Great Wall, now this one.

Personally this looks a lot more interesting to me than pretentious and generic shows like Daredevil, Luke Cage etc. At least Iron Fist became powerful through years of training, not by contrivance or "magic".

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@Orontes13: Yeah, the reviews I've seen FOCUS on "white guy learns martial arts" and I've seen nothing about acting, plot, effects, sequences, ect. I'm sure it'll be sick.

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@bakula: They have mentioned the "white guy learns martial arts" cliche of "white guy learns martial arts, is better at it than the natives and either becomes their leader or hero". But mostly they focus on the idea that you cannot keep doing the same things season after season. They seem to be saying that (1) Iron Fist does nothing to improve on the formula of the shows that came before it and (2) it's not using the formula as well as their other shows. And many have mentioned that the fight sequences of the episodes they watched weren't up to par with stuff seen in the show's predecessors, I think they've said that the character isn't being presented in an interesting way or in a way that we haven't seen before but better executed in the previous shows and that the plot is rote. Of course I haven't seen it yet but that's the gist of what I've been getting from the review so far. The fact that you think it will be sick doesn't equate to it being good. You are allowed to like a show personally but still recognize it as poorly written, acted and scripted by a commonly recognized standard.

I know next to nothing about Iron Fist so I was surprised when, looking to see early reviews for it, I started running across suggestions that he should have been played by an Asian actor. The comic book traditionalist in me wanted to shout that they're just being true to the source material and should be left alone but another part of me wonders if being White is an essential part of Iron Fist's character? I know he's privileged and idealistic but would he still be Danny Rand if he were a privileged and idealistic Asian man? If a fan can answer yes to that question, why is that not a valid criticism? If they say say no, then we're looking at a one dimensional character.

And before someone brings up Black Panther or Shaft, please look up "false equivalency". Race shouldn't matter but in country with a history of treating poorly anyone not white or white but not from the right section of Europe as somehow less human at one point or another, it does to a certain extent.

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@Orontes13: To be fair, DD did likewise. He trained since he was young, I didn't find it contrived at all. I think it also features some of the better fight choreography on the small-screen.

For what it's worth, I absolutely loved "Marco Polo," and I enjoyed "Into the Badlands" for what it was. If you didn't overthink it, it was a good bit of fun. Now "The Great Wall" just looks terrible to me. Seems like it wants to be some sweeping epic but everything I've seen just looks cheesy and by-the-book for that type of affair. I'm willing to be proven wrong.

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I doubt this is worse than Daredevil or Elektra. Which have higher RT scores. Never trusted reviewers or others opinions but mine anyway.

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@kanekan-slaugh: Movie is a movie. Personally I'm able to watch and be interested in pretty much all movies because at least it's compact. If a series is dragging and predictable the though after 15 minutes will be "oh and there's 12 hours more of this coming screw that"

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@PrpleTrtleBuBum: I think we should just wait and see

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I think he forgets that some of the critics ARE fans.

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@juiceid: Critics are only hurting on it because he's white.

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@putaspongeon: Which shows they know 0 about the actual comic.

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I don't know BvS said it was built for the fans but me as a fan still hated it.

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this is the same argument the cast of Suicide Squad made when they got lambasted by critics as well. not that I agree with critics myself most of the time though

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@conquerorsaint: Well what else do you say when critics are insulting the show purely for the fact that the main is a white guy (even though danny rand is white)

They hate it cuz he's a white guy doing kung fu.

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@putaspongeon: i see isnt this misplaced though because Rand is canonically white in the comics? this is only justified for the whitewashing of the Ancient One in Dr Strange imo.

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@conquerorsaint: To say nothing of The Ancient Ones loss of "tackle" to the ever more powerful feminists brigade!

I hate it when studios cast against the source material for nothing better than politically correct crap, like the Fantastic Four's black Johnny Storm. Yes that film was bad for a lot of reasons, including the changed origins and yet another bloody Doctor Doom. But as Sue and Johnny were supposed to be real brother and sister, why mess with the whole family mechanic to start with. If they had made both of them black, or purple or whatever, that would have made more sense.

I actually haven't got Netflix so haven't seen any of these shows, though I used to read a lot of Marvel comics and watch the Sky shows, but apart from Daredevil who is well known and fits into the super powered bracket with his senses, I do wonder why they even bother using very minor and largely unknown characters as a basis for these shows.

It must be that a) those are the only ones left without film tie ins

and b) that they are non spectacular type powers, as in a Martial artist, because it is easier and cheaper to fit into their limited budget.

But then again as an outsider, I still have to wonder Why bother with largely unknown characters as super heroes when there is really nothing spectacular to show?

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@conquerorsaint: Yeah, they are upset because they hate white people saving the day and shit like that and "culturally appropriating" other cultures, ie bullshit.

I'm on episode 13 and it's a pretty damn good show and it's had some fucking beautiful scenes. A few of the one off villain martial artists (not goons, like actual bad asses) are far too interesting for how little time they get. I've personally listed 2 of them as my favorites. Some crazy guy who has the best entrance scene in television history and Zhou Cheng.

But yeah, the reviews are shit, watch the show, it's good, albeit I'm a martial artist nut so I feel like it should have more than it already has =w=

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@putaspongeon Ooh i loved that Drunken Master style fella who was guarding the door.. Saying this on non spoiler way :) Need more chars like him. Maybe like squad of them guarding something heh. That Scene was amazing <3 I'm going with slow'ish pace cause prefer to watch Netflix series that way. Ep. 10 be next and i leave 2x last eps. from S01 to days in distant lands.. i mean in future :P Then ofc avoiding ending spoilers.

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@Eagleheart1980: That character is probably coming back, remember he said there was a reason he was on the bottle? (like he was drunk for a reason), well in the comics he's the guy who kills iron fists on their like 31st or something birthday. (some kind of monster martial artist) and while I don't think that will happen, maybe something like him being much stronger and having some iron fist like power and being a bloody lethal killer who is nearly uncontrollable but also much stronger would be cool and he comes back off the bottle to battle iron fist.

Yeah I finished the series almost instantly and now I'm just like "shit, it's a while till the defenders and other seasons of iron fist and daredevil"

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The show hasn't been released yet, so how about we wait until more than a few people will see the show and then make a final decision.

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@zero_juice: The reviewers insult the show cuz he's a white guy doing kung fu and they think he's the "white savior", even though danny rand is white.

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@zero_juice: Shield has been consistently fantastic from the end of season 1 to date.

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