German group sues Valve

@Allerletzt @ssj2los @waterghost Not comparable and i wasnt trying to compare the two. His reasoning behind letting some of his liberty go because the company taking it is "the nicest" should be the same in both situations..

@inSpectre_X @vault-boy @DarkSaber2k The distribtuion of movies can not in any way be compared to the distribution method of games because they are completely different. Sure, DVD sales are somewhat similar but 90% or more of the money made by movies are in theaters because theaters are a superior way of watching for most people. Video games have no equivelant of a theater, they HAVE to make there money buy selling games. If you can get a used game cheapers and just as easy as a new one companies will hemorage money and we will only have a few games left. Is being able to sell digital games worth having the only games that are able to be made Call of Duty?

@vault-boy @DarkSaber2k

What is your opinion on used movies?

Have you considered that some people feel some games are not worth their full price? That they never would've bought the game if it weren't used/cheaper?

@DarkSaber2k @vault-boy Jesus Christ, thats not the point. If I buy it uses for $30 and play through the campaign in 3 days and resell it for $30 and the next person does the same thing than the company doesn't make enough money to make there games. This is a face, developers need money. I'm not saying that they can't be greedy, but if we demand this than so are we.

@vault-boy @DarkSaber2k If the games so bad you wanna sell it after an hour then **** the company that made it.

@DarkSaber2k Actually, yea, lots of companies have gone partially because of used game sales. Not that I crucify all used game sales but just sit back and think, if you can buy a game, play it for an hour and then sell it to someone else for the same price how is any company supposed to make money? Like it or not money is essential to build games.

Think of it like this. I like being able to drive on roads. I like being able to go to public school. But those cost money so I pay my taxes. It is an unfortunate truth but that's the way the world works.

@vault-boy @mike300zxt @waterghost Yeah, just look at all those console developers shutting down left and right because of second-hand games sales. Oh wait that's right, it's not really the case because that argument is full of shit.

@mike300zxt @waterghost The point of used sales is they degrade over time. There value goes down because they are imperfect. When you get software (and yes, video games are software) there is no degrading and therefore no reason to buy new when you can save a few pennies buying used. The problem is with this system game sales will plummet and companies wont have enough money to make games. It is that clear cut, you can chose to not be able to sell games used or not have any games at all.

@mike300zxt @waterghost

it's ok for you to not understand it, as long as the world's majority think straight and not get distracted by these self entitled low lives, we are good.

@waterghost @mike300zxt Games are not abstract, they are physical, just like a DVD, online book, software, etc. Your point makes no sense. Houses degrade, yet their value goes up. You can keep a brand new car inside and never drive it, and the value still drops. You can sell a 2 year old game that is as good as new, but you're not going to get 59.99 for it. Sorry, your point is too abstract for anyone with even a modus of critical thinking.

@isahunt And??? It made sense and was relevant to the topic. And if you hadn't had your sense of humor surgically removed as a child you at least wouldn't be throwing a fit about it. If the comment said ''I bought avengers on dvd today , IT WAS SICK!!!111!!!'' it wouldn't be relevant. But this is entirely relevant. Chill out and quite trying to do the mod's jobs.

@isahunt @moviequest14 Message had content and made sense. It was also not disruptive, so what's you point backseat mod wannabe?

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@moviequest14 @isahunt

That's a really stupid joke, then.

@HIT3kNology @gamingfrendly @beuneus12 That being said, what does this have to do with the war?!!?

@HIT3kNology @gamingfrendly @beuneus12 Actually the outcome was up for grabs until the Americans got involved. I imagine the whole of Europe would be hard pressed to compete with the industry and war machine that was mobilised within the states.

@RealFabioSooner @isahunt @DrJohnWatson I like how you jump to conclusions, I will do the same and assume your one of those people who sues from their own stupidity.

@isahunt @DrJohnWatson This, one thousand times this.

I'm baffled that educated persons with a computer and an online connection are unable to understand the difference between product/service terms and consumer rights.

Goddamn people, are you this gullible? No wonder you've been electing those people in the past 10 years or so.

@DrJohnWatson

It's not a question of "making it known" ahead of the purchase.

It is a question of taking away consumers rights - which Valve does not have a right to do.

@DrJohnWatson @mike300zxt They are suing because German courts already decided that an EULA can't take away your right to sell something you own.

@mike300zxt @edussz @DrJohnWatson Google closed up shop when China tried similar nonsense meddling with their business.

Don't think for a second Valve cares that much about Germany. Germans should be very fearful if they win this.

@edussz @mike300zxt @DrJohnWatson Valve aren't stupid. Sure they might make threats to stop the service, but why would they stop it? Even if they have to allow license transfers, they still make money selling games. If they close their doors in Germany, someone else would just come along. I'm glad Germany is bringing this issue up...too many digital services are taking away ownership rights we've always had.

@RealFabioSooner @enartloc @mike300zxt @DarkNeoBahamut its not like i like what the steam EULA have but right now i cant do a thing about it, gaben will be more than glad to nuke your account at any chance and leave you for dead, id like to see things change tho never liked the idea of the possibility to lose my account with no right to complain over it.

@enartloc @mike300zxt @DarkNeoBahamut I'm shocked at how easily people cave in and give their rights away just because someone said they should...