GameSpot's Best of Show Winners for E3 2013

@DiscGuru101 @udubdawgz Fair enough , i can see that being very reasonable

@DiscGuru101 @udubdawgz ok, i thought you were drawing a different conclusion than that. got ya.

@udubdawgz - I thought my points were super clear. But for the record, dev kits typically have better graphics than the final standalone hardware..

Look, I'm not buying an XB1 unless they roll back DRM. But I don't see anything special about PS4 yet. On the contrary, it looks toy-ish.

@DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers LOL except graphics were better than the FailBox One

@snaketus @udubdawgz @cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers ya, i've got that. what i'm not understanding is discguru's exact complaint about sony.

i expect crappy footage from dev kits, since, everyone is smack dab in the middle of the process. it's all incomplete at this time.

that's NOT how msoft portrayed their footage. they STRAIGHT UP LIED.

@udubdawgz @cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

@DiscGuru101 @cvfish are you talking about the bad footage due to the incomplete dev kit being used?

if so, that's exactly to be expected, since, we all know it's all a work in progress.

that's NOT what msoft said.

@cvfish @DiscGuru101 - You didn't answer my question. Did you watch the Sony E3 conference? 95% videos of dev kit footage. 5% mediocre live demos.

Again, I saw the live stream where Gamespot employees mentioned that Killzone looked "jaggie" running on PS4 hardware.

@DiscGuru101 http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Games-E3-Ran-PS4-Dev-Hardware-High-End-PCs-56752.html

This is proof, you have supplied nothing. And what are you watching on, my PS3 has videos streaming at 1080p and they are much better then what is on the PS3 currently.

@mlp071 @DiscGuru101 - It was most likely PS4 footage of a dev kit.

@DiscGuru101 ?? It was PS4 footage that they were running on PS4 architecture....in comparison to PC run version with Nvida 780 and Windows 7 platform (both not being present on Xbox , or PS4 ) is more thruthful.

All what was said for PC run application was "come and see the power of Xbox"

And here is news for you, games are always not ready to run on any E3 because they are generally still in development ...

@cvfish - Did you watch Sony's E3 conference or not? Only a few demos were live, and they didn't look very next-gen.

@DiscGuru101 Again, proof. What were the 5% of games and where is the link?

@mlp071@DiscGuru101@cvfish @bunchanumbers

If you think running 95% videos of PS4 is an "honest" practice, I don't understand you.

Clearly, most games don't run too well on PS4 or XB1 yet.

@bunchanumbers @DiscGuru101 @mlp071 Yeah that's why you buy them off Steam for like half price and not from XboX where they will be overpriced for sure and underperforming (in comparison to PC) , lol :)

@DiscGuru101 @mlp071 I saw the in game footage of destiny, the division, Black Flag, and Watchdogs. I saw what was capable on the system. All I saw with the X1 games was what could be possible if the X1 used a GTX 780.

@DiscGuru101 @mlp071 i agree that is not proven , but we have seen at least glimpses of one and false representation of another one .

No one here is telling you that we have seen all from PS4, and if you are buying something solely based on graphic , you should then go with PC's, they are always most advanced no matter.

@DiscGuru101 @mlp071 msoft lies about their presentation and all you can say is, so what?

you see, that issue is sorta, kinda, an important one in the gaming industry.

and, did sony lie about what they were presenting and completely misrepresenting what they were showing?

of course, we need to wait and see. completely irrelevant to the topic.

edit: in fact, all of this bull in the past week is actually RIGHT NOW eroding some of my support for the freakin 360.

@DiscGuru101 @mlp071 One system so far as been proven to be anti-consumer and supported with dodgy marketing.

@mlp071 So what? Sony ran 95% video footage of the PS4. This only supports my point, there is no rush. Neither system is ready yet.

@udubdawgz @mlp071 @cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers You mean MS deceiving their costumers and fanboys is huge story?

When if ever they did something diferently?

@mlp071 @udubdawgz @cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers wow. for me, that is a HUGE story. news in its truest sense.

@udubdawgz @cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One-Games-E3-Were-Running-Windows-7-With-Nvidia-GTX-Cards-56737.html

All what they said was " come and see the power of Xbox One" , which can be very deceiving itself.

Jalopik reporter is claiming that he as kicked out of Forza 5 presentation after he took photos of PC running the simulation of the game..

@udubdawgz @cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers there's been reports about the X1 games running on W7 computers with GTX 780s inside. pictures are floating around the internet too when a game crashed and went to desktop.

@cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers so are we sure that is really the case? i've been seeing it here and there about the power behind the msoft demos and the basic architecture for the ps4.

is it confirmed to be true that msoft deceived everyone and/or did they announce it ahead of time?

@cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers - Killzone was remarked to be surprising full of "jaggies" by Gamespot employees in the live stream. The YouTube HD video is not impressive.

@cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers Agree we have yet to see how games are on Xbox's downclocked system and we do know now what to expect from PS4, which is mostly satisfying experience in general.

@DiscGuru101 You surely know that 780 is latest card and can easily beat anything that any console shows?If i were you i would be concerned why MS was trying to outshine PS4 by using PC card instead of their own system.

@cvfish @DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers I was impressed with the ps4 games. I just wanted more rpgs. And it turns out that the x1 games were running on GTX 780s :/ it kinda skews the games. This also means that you're gonna see a downgrade when they go to their own native setups and ps4 will still have time to optimize their own games.

@DiscGuru101 @bunchanumbers First off, XB1 games were running off of technology far surpassing XB1's specs, while the PS4 was running off of PS4 architecture. Second, where is your proof that no one was impressed with the PS4, I have not seen anything supporting that.

@bunchanumbers - They could roll back always-on DRM and used games tomorrow. If they don't, no rush to buy a PS4 because it didn't impress anyone graphically at E3..