Diablo dev's disappointment sparks disdain from Diablo III team

@phrozac @criticalmigz @kukumav lol i never thought we would agree at something, haha just joking.. xD its true, any1 can easily tell how diablo games gradually lost that atmosphere, bummer indeed.. diablo 2 had some of it.. but way less than d1.. yaa! it would be frikin awesome to have a dead space ARPG, but i think it would be asking much.. Its nothing like it but, the new x-com looks nice, thou its not an ARPG, it is more like a turn based strategy game, but if it is like the old x-coms, it should have a great tense sci-fi horror like atmosphere, and rpg elements too.. Anyway i have faith in the next diablo installment, im sure the next time they will try to get back to their roots.. if there is any secuel coming up in the far future..

@criticalmigz @d4rkscourge @kukumav Yeah, D1 definitely had a Gothic horror vibe going on. That vibe has faded with each successive sequel. It's been a bummer for awhile, but I hope another ARPG comes out to really capture that gothic horror essence. As things grow to mainstream, they tend to get more bland. I know Dark Souls captured it pretty well. Dead Space is doing it in Sci-fi. I really want a next gen Diablo that gets back to it's horror roots. Can you imagine Dead Space as an ARPG????! ZOMG.

@criticalmigz @phrozac @d4rkscourge @kukumav i share your way of viewing the 3 diablos, i think the same, and i agree 100%

@phrozac @d4rkscourge @kukumav funny coz for me the best ambient of the three diablos,from 1 to 3,is unfortunately diablo 1... it has scary feel,not so cartoonish,and scary background... Girl crying,etc.. maybe they made it cartoon-like for 1 that many reported that diablo1 gamers went crazy or to be approximate, "possessed" by evil spirits...it was the scariest of the three... then came the diablo 2,which was more fun to play due to its diversities,more spells (diablo 1 shared spells,depends on attributes).. plus the runes and the gems... diablo3,it was fun too,and the graphics are better,but somethings really missing... scary ambiance from diablo 1 wasnt there, and so as the diversions and flexibility from 2 was lost too...but im pretty sure,the next one would be the best,,,feels like its the beta for the next diablo 's 4th installment... i hope theyd be open for changes,and suggestions from fans/diablo players..

@phrozac @kukumav haha my "mental state" lol, well.. i agree, the visual presentation, is impeccable just like any other blizzard game, like the stunning fmvs it has, same as always.. they wont release a game that lacks of those aspects.. im glad that u agree with me about the music of the old games, since those OSTs were perfect and had a lot to do with diablo games atmosphere, soo virtuous.. i still listen to some of the songs, specially tristam song (i also play it myself) i know u weren't defending the music, i did not attributed that to u.. i just got confused cause u said on your first msgs that old diablos were ugly, so i thought u were pretty much against the old team, and supporting this new team.. sounded like if u despised the first 2 games.. but now i know u do have all the good things about the old games really present.. since u can value, things like the music, game design n stuff like that.. Talking about the dev team, i understand that the other 50+ ppl have their own responsibilities, at which some failed, but still they shouldn't be put in the same bag as jay willson, i personally think that the biggest mistake wasn't the whole dev team, it was just jay willson on the head of the project, u can see the lack of codes he has, not only as a game developer, but as person, speaking of a colleague like that :S.. sure, he didnt had much to do with art/audio/animation/programming, but he leaded the game to a place, a wrong place, but that's my personal opinion, when he and his team, decided to add aspects that weren't there b4, like the so criticized action house, im sure that was his whole idea, or things like lowering the drops, to force ppl to be slaves of that new system.. im sure he also said "OK" and gave the green light, when some1 said to him "hey we should take RPG aspects out of the game, we dont need that complexity.. if we want to reach a bigger audience" those are all big mistakes, so don't blame ppl that doesn't have your dev knowledge, like me, when they are frustrated at how a team (or a man) plays with their expectations, and now we even have to hear him insulting the guy (brevik) which happens to be the one that made the name DIABLO that huge, and possibly responsible of his sales "success" so try to understand when ppl starts to insulting jay and his team, maybe out of ignorance i know, not everybody knows how a game developer team works.. but def with good reasons.. cause we, as consumers.. were expecting this for years, and we blindly bought it just to be screwed by how they are trying to make money without backing up the motive of using diablo on the game box, if u ask me the game could be called "FANTASY WORLD OF BEAUTY" and i would never notice at all that it was meant to be a diablo sequel.. im sure ill try it in 6 months like u said or maybe even a year or 2.. since i bought the game, and i cant get my money back.. so im sure ill give it a try again, to see what changed, but since i doubt they change the aspects i don't like about it, like removing the RMAH or adding more customizations to skill threes n stuff like that, i think it will still pretty much the same thing for me.. even after years of patches.. i def try to move along lol, its not that im constantly talkinga about d3, but when ive read this news a month or two ago, i was WTF?! that was really outrageous.. so i had to express my dislikes toward that awful comment.. u are trying to defend their work, i understand, i was just trying to do the same, but with the previous team, i owe them lots of happy moments of my childhood.. anyways, sry again for the things i said b4, despite all that i enjoyed our exchange of personal views, u seem to know a lot of this matter.. see ya around..

@d4rkscourge @kukumav No worries. GG, bro.

@phrozac @kukumav it wasn't a matter of comprehension thou, maybe lack of attention plus the unconscious defensive state.. which was pointless cause i wasn't being attacked in the first place...

@d4rkscourge @kukumav Good to see you talking sense d4rk. I was a bit concerned for your mental state. I am not defending the actual game design. I am defending the honest efforts of the team itself and the quality of the visual presentation. It is a subjective arena, art. Like someone might think Warhammer 40K is the best thing in the world and hate Miyazaki style animation. Who is to say. I agree that Matt Uelman's soundtrack for D1 and D2 is superior as D3 is very conventional fantasy orchestrated music. I wasn't defending D3's music. Jay Wilson made a big mistake in posting what he did in public. You guys can hate on him all you want. Although I don't think his little slip is representative of the 50+ other people on the dev team. It just sucks to hear all the hate directed towards the team as a whole, when as a developer myself, you have responsibilities in your own area while other have responsibilities in theres. In Jay's case, the overall design of the game. He had nothing to do with art/audio/animation/programming...So D3 is the least of the series? Ok. Move along. Every series has it's highs and lows. Wow. Maybe try the game out in 6 months.

@phrozac @kukumav u re totally right lol, i messed up, and got cranked up with no sense at all.. i already acknowledged that b4, on my last msg.. sry again for all that nonsense..

@d4rkscourge @kukumav Wow. You really are thick headed. I am not making any judgments on any country other than the middle portion of the US. Read my last post. COMPREHENSION. Look it up. And then calm down. And have I once defend the game design? No. COMPREHENSION. You should stop replying to post with nonsensical rants that are completely off topic. You are hilarious.

@phrozac @kukumav it is not only the game design the thing i don't like, still i think that's the weakest point of d3, it is almost everything, even how cartoonish it looks.. u said b4 that d2 was cartoonish, ya it was.. but maintained a balance having mournful places, eerie atmosphere etc.. i even prefer d2 music, i don't mind keep talking about the game, but in a peaceful way.. i have to say, and take charge that i misunderstood some things that u said, it is true, i just read them again, and u weren't talking anything about central or south america, as i did misunderstood at first the thing about FPS tech so i gave u the line to start talking about how bad my english is haha, by misunderstanding those things.. so i apologize.. cause that was my fault..i haven't insulted u thou, when i said worthless assholes.. i was talking about the ppl that can be stupid enough to invest money on d3, and since u said, u weren't one of those.. that's not for u to take, then i called u ignorant.. well, i take that back, since i spoke that out of anger.. the whole thing was my fault i agree, u were more tempered than me that's also true.. i have to say this, cause i just notice how dumb i was, and how i overreacted to something u didn't even said.. sry again.. u didn't deserved all those things, specially the ones from my last msg, i was blinded.. anyways, as far as diablo 3 goes, i still disagree with u in lots of ways.. but that's how life is..

@phrozac @kukumav poor level of education?? lol u have no idea.. english is not my main language.. so i think i do pretty good when it comes to it.. i wonder how good is your spanish or any other language besides english, to have 36 years old, u sure are childish enough to keep this conversation on, when u are not even discussing about the game anymore.. u are now just freely judging the education of a country u don't even know.. u boasts of US good education but im pretty sure, u cant point anything else besides US in a map, like many american cant do.. if there is some1 that has bad education, that's the regular american citizen (certainly not all Americans are as ignorant as you thou, at least i want to believe that) who have the same retrograde thinking about foreign ppl like u do.. so i wont take that as an insult, in fact i value, and im very proud of my education, enough to notice i can be better than that.. that's how good your education is, that u generalize, instead of talking directly about my country, u think all central/south america is the same, and u couldn't be more wrong.. The one that has a myopic view of art (and of life in general) that would be u my friend.. since u don't know how to excercise reason, to notice that 75% of the ppl here thinks the same way i do about the game, u are not even listening or even trying to understand our solid points of view about why the game isn't the precious gem u are saying it is.. so it seems u cant stand d3s failure, that is not my problem, or anybody elses, i bet that unconsciously u know it sucks but u cant deal with it so i recommend u do some therapy haha.. and clearly u are the one that is taking this too personally, by starting to mess with other ppl personal things, like education, home country and stuff, i was just talking about a game.. so wash your mouth b4 u start talking about others ppls countries without even knowing of what the hell are u talking about... i can notice u dont have anything else coherent enough to say about d3 so u now begin to detract ppl... why don't u go and troll the hell out of some1 else??, im not the only one here that have the same thinking about your "masterpiece" Anyway, this already got pointless enough for me to stop answering to your trolling from now on, a 36 man child that plays diablo 3, that's one hell of a title.. well earned if u ask me.. haha, catch u on the flip side man... have a good one!

@d4rkscourge @kukumav You have a very myopic view of game art my friend. You should keep your comments on the game design since that is your main concern as you have stated. Explain to me how my comments are immature in relation to the rants you are spewing? I haven't taken an extreme position as you have, and didn't engage in name calling or insults. All I did was make a comment on the poor level of education of middle America of the UNITED STATES. But you didn't get that, because you took it as a racist insult. Lighten up, buddy.

@phrozac @kukumav i think u are below your twenties, and that u don't developed any shit, u sound too immature.. you are just stunned by something about this crappy game, and like u said to kukumav, don't let your feelings affect your judgments towards gaming, i think u are blinded by D3 for some amazingly stupid reason.. maybe jay willson pays u (?) haha.. if u want aesthetics try looking for other games, real pieces of art, idk bioshock 1 for ex.. D3 isn't the mecca of gaming, or how every game should look like, so stop talking as if it were.. u shouldn't take it as inspiration, since the game is soooo flawed that looks unfinished.. and take notice that it took 10 fucking years to be made, so it shouldn't require any patches, since it took a decade to get it done....... geez, this already got old.. : /

@kukumav @phrozac Haha. I've been a game dev for 12 years and am now a freelance artist. I think D3 is aesthetically beautiful. Don't let your feelings for how the game plays affect your judgement in the visuals. Look again at D2. It was pretty goddamn colorful. Look at the D2 character art, pretty goddamn cartoony. I'd love to see your art.http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Diablo-2-Wallpaper-diablo-18654375-1600-1200.jpgThe game took 6 years for Irvine to make, btw. Bliz north worked on it from 2001-2005 and didn't have much to show for it. Trust me. I know.

game is good but there is a major flaw it does not make you want to keep playen. i mean drop rates where bad in d2 but not this bad. imo the way they did the skill tree sucked, no varity AT ALL

@d4rkscourge @kukumav Geez, so now I'm racist? As for someone who speaks two languages, you sure have a poor grasp on one of them. I happen to be 36, and my argument is much more tempered than yours d4rk. Try not to take everything so personally. It's a game, and you have a life I hope outside of it. Also, I was never claiming D3 to be a mecca of gaming, just defending it against some very opinionated color commentary. Cheers!

@phrozac @kukumav First of all im from south america, specifically Argentina.. what has that to do with anything?? does that mean i am inferior to u? or maybe i cant express my view just cause i live here.. haha.. flawed or not i can speak 2 languages, im not sure if u can say the same.. so leaving that aside, i did played diablo 2 from day1, and also played the first1, i have 26 yolds and ive been playing games for my whole life.. i remember all the patching, and how the game looked even b4 LOD, thou at that moment was already better than d3, cause i never talked about graphics aspects, i was referring to game mechanics, drop system, art (places and character design) the ways u had to get items, doing magic find runs, which btw was awesome (the best the game had) i really miss the characters, i dont feel shit for the new ones.. so i did understand what u were saying about FPS TECH but still i don't get ur point, if u are saying that d3 will look good, just like d2 did after the tons of patches, u are wrong, u cant change a game from its core with a few 30mb patches, D3 has no solutions, and about the RMAH, which is what essentially screwed the game, if u think u can get the same equipment that anybody else without using that shit, you are TERRIBLY wrong.. cause they want u to use that shit, and will make u use it.. i used to have your same thinking about "ill not use the RMAH" but i found out it is pointless.. otherwise u need to be farming gold for the rest of your life, cause that's how stupid D3 is, in D2 u had to farm your own items, or buy them farming runes which was the money for D2 (that was really unique and well made if u ask me) besides working as rune words on some items, and i wont even talk about how they simplified the RPG aspects of the game, cmon im sure even u can see that, if it is true that u have played D2, the game is made now for kids and anyone can tell that, how simplified it is, how the world is more colorful, then u got the fact that this shitty game took 10 years to get finished, and its more flawed than my english hahaha.. anyways im not angry lol i just feel sry for u, besides being racist, u cant tell the difference between one golden gem of gaming, and the scam that D3 is, sucks to be u.. i think u took to many prozacs my friend haha, u should quit that shit.. anyways, no hard feelings, and good luck with D3 gold farming, SO FUN!! hahaha..

@d4rkscourge @kukumav Haha, don't be so angry. I'm not one of those "worthless assholes" as I will never use the RMAH. Why bother with it? If you don't want to use it...don't use it. Also, I think your reading comprehension is flawed concerning my comment about tech from the latest FPS's. You must come from middle america. And I doubt you played D2 for the first year. If you did, you would remember all the patching required to make that game awesome. Rose tinting nostalgia, my friend.

@phrozac @kukumav i never quitted playing diablo 2, and sometimes i play the first diablo every few years when i feel nostalgic.. (few games have that tense atmosphere) it never was about graphics, or looks when it came to diablo, it was everything on it, im well aware about how the past 2 game looked.. in fact, i think diablo 2 will still be played for years too come, i cant say the same for D3, which is a complete fail, only for kids and ppl that dont know shit about how the game was.. aimed to take money from u without delivering anything that the other 2 games u called "not pretty" did.. tech from latest fps? haha wow.. awesome dude!!!!!!!.. that can lick my ballsack.. and about what u think, i cant really add much besides that, u cant tell the difference between an awesome game, and a piece of shit labeled the same way, but with nothing on it that resemble diablos old formula.. i already debated too much about this shitty game hhaha im done with it.. i suggest u go back and melt ur brain farming gold for your whole life or maybe u are one of those worthless assholes that use real money on the action house.. that would be even worse.. seeya buddy.. good luck with that!

@d4rkscourge @kukumav I played D1 and D2. Did you? Do you actually remember what D2 looked like? Not a pretty game. Not a good looking game at all. I suggest you install it again and have a run through. D3 is done with very skilled old school techniques. Don't be blinded by normal maps and tech from the latest FPS's. This is old school style art. No fancy tech. And very well done.Here is your lovely D2 character art. Nostalgia can be funny, huh? Also, if you played D2, you will remmeber that it took several patches to get to be the game we all love today. Have patience.http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Diablo-2-Wallpaper-diablo-18654386-1024-768.jpg