Call of Duty: Cold Warfare next up for Treyarch?

Studio reportedly seeking "Vietnam War-era tunes, as well as Cuban, African, and Soviet Union music," pointing to guerrilla warfare hot spots of '60s and '70s.

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Source: The video game blog called That Videogame Blog.

What we heard: As Call of Duty: World at War was being finalized last fall, its developer indicated that it could be the final Call of Duty game set during World War II. After saying that the now-best-seller's setting had already been decided when Treyarch came on board, senior producer Noah Heller dropped a major hint that it would be the last entry in the series based on the 1939-1945 conflict.

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"I won't let your readers read into the comment too much, but we are showing the final battles of the Pacific and the European Theater, and that lets us put a close to the war," he told OXM UK magazine last year. "I'm sure game companies will be making World War II games for years to come, and World War II is a very classic war. But we're happy that we put the war to bed."

This week, a That Videogame Blog article sparked a rumor firestorm that Treyarch may move the series to another Pacific Rim locale: Vietnam. Citing a "reliable" source, the blog reported that, "Activision is looking to license music for 'Call of Duty 7,' music that gives some serious hints as to the locations the game may take us. Mentioned were Vietnam War-era tunes, as well as Cuban, African, and Soviet Union music. The source says Call of Duty: World at War's senior producer Noah Heller is involved, so it looks like Treyarch is once again developing."

The official story: Activision reps covering the Call of Duty franchises politely declined to comment.

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Bogus or not bogus?: Looking not bogus, given that apparently That Videogame Blog's source was pressured to recant. Several hours after the original story went live (cached version linked above), it was hurriedly replaced by an apologetic note.

"Whoops, looks like talking about this is too soon for some people and our source has requested of us to remove the story," reads the new post.

Although an intriguing concept, Vietnam-era shooters have proven problematic in the past, with Battlefield: Vietnam, Men of Valor, Vietcong, Conflict: Vietnam, and 2004's Shellshock: 'Nam '67 selling poorly. (The latter two games were also fragged by critics.) Given the multiple locales, another possibility could be a game set in the hotspots of the decades-long conflict between the United States and the Soviet Union. Call of Duty: Cold Warfare, anyone?

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well its kinda good that they're changing the venue.. im kinda tired of playing ww2 based games.. i was really hoping that somebody would come up with the vietnam scene.. but u never know, its treyarch .. i dont really like them -_- COD MW 2 FTW INFINITY WARD ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!

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yah i think they need the british stuff too but i dont like the treyarch games anyway so i dont really care. MW2 all the way!!!

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i cant wait !

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This makes me sad, Ive played the COD series since the 1st PC game and I've always held out hoping that they would do more with the WW2 british campaigns, in particular the 1st and 6th airborne divisions. I.E. more normandy than just Pegasus bridge and how about someone finally making a decent go of Arnhem!!!! I Also felty Treyarch's decision to exclude a british campaign sucked ass too. I know theres a lot of stigma concerning WW2 games, but I think its lame, its still a valid and entertaining subject to some of us. I'm concerned as to the playablility of a vietnam game in the COD world, firstly theyw ould have to put effort into making jungle combat effective in a computer game, in other Vietnam games I've played its been far from enjoyable if the jungle is realistic and unconvincing if it is playable (with the expetion of some areas in FC2) I dont want it to end up being linear which in treyarchs hands is a big possibility (COD 3?) and the complete antithesis of COD games.

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Could be interesting, it is time for a new venue.

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I would love to see either Vietnam, Korea, or The Bay of Pigs if they were to do a game that takes place during the Cold War.

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we need a really good vietnam game with the my lai massicare

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not to burst your bubble pwnszord or "correct" you or anything, but the Bay of Pigs was a pretty open conflict CIA operatives were present at the time of the invasion and the Cuban Rebels were financed by the CIA...you also have open conflicts in East bloc states such as when Georgia(i might be wrong, could have been the ukraine) attempted to become a Democracy during the 1950's but the Soviets invaded and stuff. Basically if you want open conflicts with communists you have the Korean War and the Vietnam Conflict which definitely part of the Cold War without a doubt. You also have the Israel/ Egyptian war during the 1970's were the communists were supplying Syria, Jordan and Egypt with new missle and anti air tech while the west was tryn to save Israel...Israel took the entire Sinai Penninsula from Egypt and pwned everyone into a stale mate despite being out numbered. There's tons of more conflicts that can be mentioned all diverse in locations and people involved. The Cold War is an excellent choice and potentially has the most to work with. thanks ps sorry if any of that was already mentioned

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Vietnam would probably work for COD game, true they haven't done great within other series, it has some potential. A game set specifically within the cold war era and those conflicts would be a flop. Part of the success with these games is that you can in part identify the conflicts with the most basic of historical knowledge (or in the event of Modern Warfare simply go along with the story they're presenting). But in the cold war just how many skirmishes did we have? How many times did we have open firefights with the Communists? I only know of one instance when we came close and even then we were both separated by a large mass of water. That doesn't mean I can't be wrong, not in the least, because as I said I am a casual student of history. But the way I envision it standing around in during the bay of pigs waiting for a conflict is not an exciting game. Sorry I just don't want to be a border guard in East Berlin.

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Well Treyarch, if you make this for the Wii I will love you.

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Hey Brent0s. So Treyarch Makes Garbage Games Huh? And No One Wants To Play Them? Well Thats Weird! Why is World At War Number one On the top 5 Games Played on Live? Why Has It sold Nearly As Much As Modern Warfare In Less than half the time? Answer These Simple Questions for me. Haters Really Need to Grow a Brain. I'd Like to see you Create a game better than World at War.

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damn treyarch again?

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Everyone seems to Pan any PC game set in NAM. Yes Men Of Valor could have been great if more effort was put into into it but it is still a decent game. Vietcong in my opinion is a great game but again could have been brilliant if some more development went into it. Battlefield Vietnam isn't bad but keeps crashing on multiplayer and takes ages to load. It is about time that a game the standard of Call of Duty or Meadl of Honour is applied to a Vietnam setting. WWII will always sell but I think PC gamers want a new theatre of warfare like in Call of Duty Modern Warfare. As a personal fan of that era I love watching Vietnam war films and playing games set in Vietnam.I only wish that there really was a gold standard that could be set for a tactical shooter set in Nam.

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I'm glad the Call of Duty series is taking place in different eras beside World War II. But, how long will the series last? Whether CoD 7 takes place in Vietnam or during the Cold War, CoD 8 will be what CoD 7 wasn't. How much longer can they go after that?

They are obliviously not going to make games that are before World War II, so what could be left? I really like World at War though, even if it was made by Treyarch.

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Brent0s = fa9!!!! cod is the best series going to date ur just a hater so f**k off you piece of sh** no one wants your hitler hate speech here! : D

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Boooooo. You can't even fix your exsisting game you Gayarchists. I will not buy anymore of your games untill you take the time to release them working correctly. Quit puttin out garbage. World at War is failing and no one wants to play. Ladders included. They can't even get someone to sponsor the new map packs for pc why. Because either they suck or they want too much money for it. Either way all they are is a pack of money hungery prostitutes waiting to phux ya.

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@AnthonyBoscia - lmao what a comment

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wow that is amazing call of duty 7 i really enjoy vietnam since it has a great scene but cod sometimes messes up in that terrain the war is on of the best to make a game off of though

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fingers croosed for a nam cod

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If they do a cold war era Call of Duty they really should have the Afghan-Russian war, becuase the only FPS that did that was made by a Russian company called "The Truth About 9th Company" which I would love to get but I cant seem to find ANYWHERE. :( Probably the most elusive game I have ever come across. Gamespot dosn't even have it listed and Ive never seen it on Ebay.

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assassinatur54 The Green Berets versus the Spetsnaz in one game? Holy crap awesome! I hope we can play as either Green Berets or Spetsnaz, and then we can use the E-shovel and ballistic knife. Awesome! The Cold War returns. Somebody's been watching spike. :) Anyway, I hope Treyarch does as good as WaW.

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I'm still anxiously awaiting Call of Duty 8: Falkland Islands and Call of Duty 9: Spanish-American War aka Remember the Maine. Also, Call of Duty: War of the Worlds. The Martians are supposed to have some awesome perks.

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im glad treyarch r exploring new eras, ww2, vietnam n even the modern setting have been played to death. This should be interesting as its not been well documented in video games its also the war that no one knows about, although i have studied it in history

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It needn't be a historic warfare, just an imaginary modern warfare should do fine.

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Not being militarily fetishistic, blood lust whatever, there are many historic wars game developers may choose to pursue. The Korean war, Vietnam War, Soviet-Afghan... Or, have something fictional, like a modern war settled in the Korean region. There are many good ideas, which one would likely sell? :)

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Oh dear, battlefield 2 sold greatly even though many problems in the past and currently are at hand in Iraq, which the game is "likely set", forget the politics, these are video games made solely for entertainment, it is up to us whether we would attach something to it. Developers then should not mind making games at all, if what they matter most is profiteering. the old BFV was a great game in many respects, I wonder if ever activision wiill publish something that would come out at par with the BFV, Battlefield had always a wider field of gameplay due to its features (vehicles, wider arenas). But COD is entirely unique in itself.

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COD Vietnam might be cool. by grandpa's told me stories of what he did when he was in Vietnam. I think it would be cool as long as it sticks to what the Vietnamese tactics were really like.

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i like waffles i like pie i could marry poop corn CORN corn CORN sTrAwBeRrY zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz SNORE ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ snore oops sorry i fell asleep. TUNA

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why not have a Call of Duty set in the Vietnam era????

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it sounds good, it looks good, so why not buy it?

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What we heard: As Call of Duty: World at War was being finalized last fall, its developer indicated that it could be the final Call of Duty game set during World War II. After saying that the now-best-seller's setting had already been decided when Treyarch came on board, senior producer Noah Heller dropped a major hint that it would be the last entry in the series based on the 1939-1945 conflict. "I won't let your readers read into the comment too much, but we are showing the final battles of the Pacific and the European Theater, and that lets us put a close to the war," he told OXM UK magazine last year. "I'm sure game companies will be making World War II games for years to come, and World War II is a very classic war. But we're happy that we put the war to bed." This week, a That Videogame Blog article sparked a rumor firestorm that Treyarch may move the series to another Pacific Rim locale: Vietnam. Citing a "reliable" source, the blog reported that, "Activision is looking to license music for 'Call of Duty 7,' music that gives some serious hints as to the locations the game may take us. Mentioned were Vietnam War-era tunes, as well as Cuban, African, and Soviet Union music. The source says Call of Duty: World at War's senior producer Noah Heller is involved, so it looks like Treyarch is once again developing." The official story: Activision reps covering the Call of Duty franchises politely declined to comment. Bogus or not bogus?: Looking not bogus, given that apparently That Videogame Blog's source was pressured to recant. Several hours after the original story went live (cached version linked above), it was hurriedly replaced by an apologetic note. "Whoops, looks like talking about this is too soon for some people and our source has requested of us to remove the story," reads the new post. Although an intriguing concept, Vietnam-era shooters have proven problematic in the past, with Battlefield: Vietnam, Men of Valor, Vietcong, Conflict: Vietnam, and 2004's Shellshock: 'Nam '67 selling poorly. (The latter two games were also fragged by critics.) Given the multiple locales, another possibility could be a game set in the hotspots of the decades-long conflict between the United States and the Soviet Union. Call of Duty: Cold Warfare, anyone?

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"I won't let your readers read into the comment too much, but we are showing the final battles of the Pacific and the European Theater, and that lets us put a close to the war," he told OXM UK magazine last year. "I'm sure game companies will be making World War II games for years to come, and World War II is a very classic war. But we're happy that we put the war to bed."

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unlike all the WW2 games and WW1

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if they did make a vietnam game they'd have to put some respect into it

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@Therealgamer1 We didn't have to lose, it could still make a good game, assuming the subject matter is handled with respect. Treyarch did fine with World at War, but playing it made me feel, well, guilty. I don't play games to feel like I'm doing something evil. I like to be a good person, and become my own role model.

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if they went Vietnam it would be hard to do cause America lost haha but it would be the best Vietnam game out thier all the others arnt too good

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@athenian29 Yeah we really are saying the same thing aren't we? And I definitely respect the average joes and military that went over to Vietnam and fought in what I consider the most brutal war the 20th century saw. Sorry if I seemed hateful at first about marines, sometimes I can be narrow minded about American foot troops due to a book called "Nam" by Mark Baker(which I recommend). And 9/11 was definitely a big time screw up for Al-Qaeda, far more of "their" people died due to that barbaric attack. They proved their point, that anyone can be touched, but they lost a huge amount of members in fighting afterward, not to mention thousands, hell probably millions, of civilians who supported them in the Middle East and abroad. Either way, it was nice to have a conversation on gamespot. Take care.

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@Alex_09 I think you and I have a mutual lack of understanding. From what I can tell, and pardon the following exaggerations, you seem to regard me as an ultraconservative libertarian who'll take any excuse to whip out a Winchester and blast the goodness-gracious out of anyone who's not fighting for the ol' Red, White, and Blue. I'm nothing of a patriot - everything bad about it is shoved into my face whenever I step outside, since I'm a black-sheep-liberal in a conservative town, and so it's hard for me to like my homeland for any reason at all. I'm not saying anything about the shaping of our country, except hardening us into a slightly Wilson-esque antiwar mentality (which was very nearly cast to the Four Winds when President Bush-it sent us to Iraq). You're absolutely right, our cause was idiotic. We didn't need to poke our noses into the Communist spheres, as it all fell apart of its own accord anyway a decade or two later. And really, we did lose the Vietnam War, in a way, because the South Vietnamese fell apart - the opposite of our goal. But again, it makes little difference for those of us in the western hemisphere, at least for the time being. The Civil War and 9-11 are such completely different events that it's like comparing spuds and spats. The Civil War was a no-brainer, I'm not even going to waste words on that one. But 9-11 was a misguided lashing out at America resulting from years of cultural angst and grudge-holding. That "get back at them" mentality has been stewing in that region for thousands of years, and now we just added kindle to the fire with (there it is again) Iraq. This argument could go on for a while, but after looking back at our comments our opinions aren't really that different. I don't like Vietnam either, it just didn't look like you gave the individuals who did their part enough credit. Now that that's cleared up, let's move on with our lives.

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@athenian29 You're not breaking anything down for me really... I know what bigotry means, have studied Vietnam both in school and far more out of it. I have a 2000 page book that is considered the best account of what happened in Vietnam, and the guy who wrote it won the Pulitzer prize and was nominated before once too.... I already clearly said I am not calling your uncle a terrorist or executioner or anything. Good for your uncle for being man enough to enter that, and I don't mean to insult him at all. And there was a cause in Vietnam, alright sure. I don't know how you can compare that cause to the shaping of your country, although if you are asking me if the Civil War was wasteful too I think it was. Any time men die over different ideas it sure isn't useful. Just like there was a cause in the September 11th attacks. Was it a worthy cause? Of course not. It was kind of similar though, Muslim Extremists wanted to show they still had power, flexed their muscles, and ended up even worse off than before. Also, do you really think that anyone in this day doesn't know why America went into Vietnam? Obviously it was the same old Cold War bull****. Oh and by the way, I am more learned on American history than many of your fellow patriots, and have never even seen your country. So maybe I can't tell you the names of all of the Founding Fathers, but I have studied plenty of your wars and problems, and I think after putting in the interest I deserve an opinion. P.S. I'm not saying America lost the war, they just joined a conflict that didn't concern them really, and got in over their head. Also, most of this stuff we are arguing about is due to the politicians who sat at home talking about the communist evil and such, I can't blame the military(not that there weren't problems).

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I prefer that treyarch leaves call of duty to infinity ward. infinity ward should make CALL OF DUTY: VIETNAM

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@Alex_09 I'll break it down for you. bigotry: (noun) The act of being prejudiced or predisposed towards something without rationale. If the "military itself [didn't mess] up," then what was the problem? And yes, sections of it did do horrible things, but as I said, my uncle was not among them. American people are already predisposed against that war, but it's too late for that, so we don't "need to accept that war was wasteful." And not all wars are - would you call the American Civil War wasteful? I'm pretty sure we had a proper cause then - preserve the Union, and as of January '63, emancipation. We had a cause in Vietnam, which any fool who paid attention in History class would know. We were there to prevent the spread of communism, in our signature ultra-suspicious-of-non-American-ideas style. And if you want the real problem, blame the idiots who thought bombing Cambodia would be a good idea. That, more than anything else, was what lost us our moral cause. Curious to know more? Read chapters 36-40 of The American Pageant, 13th AP Edition. Lotsa tidbits about the Cold War.

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@athenian29 @ocaiside Uh oh! I have a no-go at this station(what the hell were you trying to say). And you obviously don't know what the word bigotry means... Anyways I don't think the military itself messed up, although sections of it were involved in some horrible things. I think the American people do need to accept that war was wasteful though, not that any war isn't. But America had no real cause in Vietnam, and Vietnam has turned itself around on its own. Nothing was accomplished, and that's the real problem.

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@alex_09 It's not about whether it was a "military **** up" or not. It's about how it affects individual people. My uncle wasn't one of the village killers, if you will. Keep your bigotry to yourself.

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wow....that would be so awesome if it was in vietnam :)

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hopefully it's as good as modern warfare

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alex_09, for characterizing the war as a "military ***up" you receive a no-go at this station. I suspect you wouldn't characterize the Korean War that way yet large-scale US military involvement in Vietnam similarly ended with a stalemate. Beyond that I think you could call LBJ a ****up for expanding it, Nixon or Kissinger ****ups for agreeing to the terms of the Paris Peace Accords, or Congress for failing to provide South Vietnam air support afterward.

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they will not make it in vietnam because america got defeated :D

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I'm just glad they put an end to the WWII setting. Vietnam would be interesting, I think the surroundings would offer a great experience.

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