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Bully's boy-on-boy scenes causing a stir

Rockstar's latest lets players experiment with same-sex make-out sessions; ESRB says that content was considered in assigning the game a T-for-Teen rating.

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Rockstar Games' Bully has been the subject of controversy since it was first announced more than a year ago. The game shipped to retail last week after a failed 11th-hour attempt by Florida lawyer Jack Thompson to have it banned.

However, the controversy surrounding the game might not be over with just yet. In navigating the angst-filled halls of Bullworth Academy as 15-year-old Jimmy Hopkins, players can participate in some extracurricular tonsil hockey with significant others. But while these significant others are typically female, there's at least one other boy in the game whom Jimmy can successfully court, as documented by this in-game video from GameBrink.

The Entertainment Software Rating Board surprised some people last month when it issued a T-for-Teen rating for the game. The content descriptors listed for the game on the ESRB's Web site are crude humor, language, use of alcohol and tobacco, violence, and sexual themes. When asked about the boy-on-boy make-out sessions, the ESRB told GameSpot, "That content was considered in the assignment of the rating."

Thompson addressed ESRB president Patricia Vance in an e-mail he claimed to have sent to "every major news organization in America and the UK," as well as a host of lawmakers and industry representatives.

"Dear Ms. Vance," Thompson wrote, "We just found gay sexual content in Bully, as Jimmy Hopkins makes out with another male student. Good luck with your 'Teen' rating now, Patty."

A representative from Bully publisher Take-Two had not responded to a request for comment as of press time.

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Jondommy - surely it's not that strange if someone else asks why you have a certain opinion? Surely you are able to say why you see homosexuality as a disability beyond saying "I am me"?

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Maybe it will spark a breakdown of biggoted anti-gay BS brought on by parents with brains full of hate (I'm lookin at you bible-belters). Kudos to ESRB for rating gay scenes as if they were completely normal. Just wait until they find the "secret" code where you can take a dirty sanches on the professors and DVDA the lunchlady! Besides if I can turn on MTV and watch some gay dudes and lezzies full on frenching on that Next show this should get an E for Everyone...who is gay ________________________________________________________ I love how you named Christians as being full of hate. When that's the complete opposite of all the teachings these people follow. People who hate, are NOT Christian. And for whoever said about a world full of ignorance and prejudice, I agree, but the pacifists are much more dangerous. The people who are ready to let anyone do anything they want as long as conflict is avoided. Sadly these people make up 90% of the planets population, and they make me physically sick.

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I think Jondommy has a little downs him/herself. Besides your avatar is Link and when it comes down to it he does wear a lot of knit stockings and a dress! Sounds pretty gay to me...something to think about.

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Criteria? Didn't know I had to use a criteria or "reasoning" i think you mean, to have an oppinion. I am me, I don't need any of your reasonings or criterias to back me up. We don't need over-population, true. But you seem to have just said that we need gays. Maybe you're confused. And what does it matter how many people are gay...I still say it's wrong, and I will gladly tell it their faces, my gay friend knows I dissagree with her actions. I still love the person. I say again, homosexuality is a disability. Wouldn't you love to rid the world of downs, or cystic fibrosis?

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So the sims was also an adult game? Everbody played it and it has always been sold as a game for everybody given its nice graphics, though it had homo content if you wanted to. I'm really upset when I read articles like this one, i mean, what's the point in all of this? If you try to kiss a boy you could make it, and so the game should be banned for this? OMG then we should ban MGS cause you can get a man naked and Final fantasy VII cause you can dress like a girl to disguise yourself! Ahhh we live in a world full of ignorance and prejudice.

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Maybe it will spark a breakdown of biggoted anti-gay BS brought on by parents with brains full of hate (I'm lookin at you bible-belters). Kudos to ESRB for rating gay scenes as if they were completely normal. Just wait until they find the "secret" code where you can take a dirty sanches on the professors and DVDA the lunchlady! Besides if I can turn on MTV and watch some gay dudes and lezzies full on frenching on that Next show this should get an E for Everyone...who is gay

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[quote]Why don't you get a brain and ACCEPT that heterosexuality is RIGHT. And the others are WRONG.[/quote] What criteria are you using? Religion? Please :roll: Minority? 10% of the population is estimated to be gay. Children? Earth is overpopulated as it is, do we really need another ten percent of six billion mouths to feed?

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This is stupid, saying this game deserves more than "sexual themes" in its rating because there are gay sexual themes is just discrimination against homosexuals, Jack is making himself look worse than he did before, this guy is really obsessed with banning Bully.

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those who think they have to puke if they wee two (even only virtual) guys kissing - shall gays always vomit if they see a straight love-scene in a game or the media? you'd better take cover not to get hit by all this vomit then. why are people getting SOOO religious when it comes to homosexuality? if you really want to be a religious gamer, just a little question: how about "you shall not kill"? and by the way, i even know some gay priests, and they obviously didn't chose it themselfes. so why don't you just let anyone have the possibility to do things his way, just as rockstar games do with bully. if you are really so concerned about gay content, give it a try and don't worry to be different than the others.

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[quote]Homosexuals are Gay[/quote] Homophobia is gay :roll:

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If a kid doesn't understand it explain it to them. Or would you rather your child get his/her information from friends and their siblings? There's not too much that kids won't understand. Before ignorant adult get to them that is.

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zombey1333 "What exactly is the difference between a guy kissing a girl and a guy kissing a guy o.0? There isn't any, really. " well the difference is that they are opposite sexes lololololol i dont care about the game its been over rated so this news dont bother me. but just u let u all know little kids will be exposed to it (fact) showing that content is fine in a person old enough to understand but a kid will not understand. thats the only bad thing about this news

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It's an illness of the mind. More like a disability. Actually wow revelation, it IS a disability. It disables us from having children.

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I heard from my cousin that this game is a gay simulation? Is that true? I thought the review said it was a highschool themed game. I was thinking of buying it. But if it's a gay sim, I'm going to have to think twice. Then I'm going to have to play it and become gay Or something.

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Homosexuals are Gay

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Nintendus "It's normal when two diffent genders kiss, most of us are hetrosexual, but when two males kiss........ i think i'll vomit......." Keep your close minded ignorant remarks to urself please. ________________________________________________________ Why don't you get a brain and ACCEPT that heterosexuality is RIGHT. And the others are WRONG. And don't call me a homophobe or ignorant/closed minded or whatever, I have gay friends. People these days, I love being politically incorrect, it's typically the RIGHT way to go. Science could have made a cure for homosexuality by now, but they haven't because it isn't an illness or anything.

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You can choose to kiss boys or not...just like in real life. I think the people that are complaining are not upset that this option is there but really afraid that there are people that will choose to do it.....just like in real life. Most of our problems stem from fear: fear of being poor, different, lonely, harmed, etc...

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Anyone who thinks this is bad or should be banned should really look at themselves instead of others. Jondommy, you have gay friends but think that it is WRONG. How are these people your friends? You are judging. What the hell are people so afraid of? An open ended game where you can do what you want? People only start crying when it's something that makes them uncomfortable. I can chose to buy this game or not and I can chose how to play it. Keep your bias out of my living room.

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I dont understand why people want to get games banned, people should have the chioce what they can buy or not its a free country last time i checked, it makes me mad when people try to ban things especially games, i mean cmon you watch tv sometimes 2 guys kiss and do gay scenes, but when its in a game, thats a differant story, if anything games give you the chance to try new and differant things, so for people to go and try and ban games they must really be stupid.

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Bah The Sims had homosexual content WAY before bully was out.... WHO CARES! oh I hope jack didn't read this or The sims might get pulled from the stores hahaha

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Nintendus "It's normal when two diffent genders kiss, most of us are hetrosexual, but when two males kiss........ i think i'll vomit......." Keep your close minded ignorant remarks to urself please.

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it's too much of a reminder of Thompson's childhood--that's why he hates the game.

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Oh my god... when will Jack Thompson FINALLY stop dogging games about the tiniest things! Imagine if Garrysmod was a boxed retail game (which it'll soon be minus the boxed thing) it'd be something like this: "I was playing this DISPICABLE "game" yesterday and some young activist talking on the microphone called me a quote "noob" unquote. I feel strongly offended by this so I would like to see this game excorciesed....

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Now all we need is to get the gay activists in Thompson's case. That will teach him.... :D

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So now he's a homophobe too? Why does that not surprise me....?

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If that scene it's part of the game, so it really should have been rated M. It would shut up Thompson, and made parents less worried. Of corse that, if had been that way, this whole story would be very less interesting::::::))))

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It seems like 3/4 of the worlds population is gay anyhow so who cares :P

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OMG boy on boy action, shield your eyes!! Who cares, it's a game. If you wanna kiss a guy in Bully go for it, if not don't. Jack Thompson seriously needs something else to focus his career on. Maybe someone at Rockstar should send him a PS2 and his 'favourite' games.

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First this is a topic about Gay content in a video game not whether you are born gay or choose it. First do I agree with it. No but that doesn't make a person a bigot they just don't agree. Second with out going to indepth People choose to a certain life style and they haven't proven other wise yet. They simply say I was born this way in an attempt to avoid being persecuted which I don't agree with either. Call me Jesus freak or whatever but its just what I think. And to silverfang. The other guy was being sarcastic but even if he felt that way like you said this is America and people can have whatever opinion they want to as long as they are not stomping on the rights of others.

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it's a freaking kiss. It's not like there having gay sex. Your not even required to do it. What is with the homophobia in this country. If something as little as a gay kiss can scare you from playng a game and require a higher rating something is wrong with you. BTW to anyone afraid of this stay very far away from Enchanted Arms which also has a T rating.

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Man Jack Thompson has to be labelled the new crusader for the 21ist centuary. i mean he is having his own personal "war on terror" against the Video game industry. The way he is saying like gay men have never come on t.v. Man what is this guy, a serious retard or what. i mean he is really going to go down as the most hated lawyer in the world. i think he is trying to impersonate Mac Murdock "Daredevil" in his own superhero wolrd where there be no games, no gay and definately a lot of Jack. Hats Off dude.

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OH NO! SAME SEX MAKE OUT SESSIONS! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO? PROMOTE EQUALITY???? - Jack Tompson is a MORON. There is NOTHING wrong with same-sex making out. He would be making NO FUSS if there was opposite sex making out. He is a twit.

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wow im glad this homophobic biggot doesn't live in my country :)

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Wow, so Thompson is a homophobe now too? Who cares if there's possible homosexual content. By saying that homosexual acts requires an "M" rating is indirectly insulting the gay community. Its just ignorant. I'm not a homosexual so i wont come across such content because i have no desire to try and get Jimmy to hook up with another boy. Someone who is gay however, might say, "hey cool they have represetned gay kids (who do in fact exsist in high school) in this video game" and will experiment with such a feature. No harm will be done. In fact, by making a big stink about it Jacky-boy, you're actually going to A. offend the entire gay community(which is much greater than the number of people who would be offended by such content available in the game) and B. discredit your future arguementts due to the fact that everyone cna now see that you are just an ignorant, prejeuduce, homophobe who can't see past his own narrow wants and desires. NOTE: MxGfx's comment is absolutly hilarious, well put haha

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Wow, so Jack Thompson isn't just anti-video games, he's homophobic too?

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nintendus...you said "self-pwning yourself" isnt that redundant? I mean the way you madethe phrase? funny though. :D:D

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This game made me gay I'm a child of the video game generation and I have a problem with imitating things I do in video games. I believe all games (No matter what form they are) depict my behavior and outlook on life and society. So, I just got finished with a three month addiction to Tetris DS (I built five brick houses on my farm with the knowledge I obtained with said game) and I delve into this piece of trash. Rockstar, I have to seriously reconsider purchasing any more games of yours! After you released GTA San Andreas, I started driving over people in my tractor trailer. Then you released Warriors, I started my own gang and beat up the local highschool baseball team. NOW you put out this game?! ... and I'm gay now. Can you make a game that teaches me how to form my own opinions and enhances my ability to rationalize thought? Cause I'd like that game.

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:lol: That is just sick :P

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Jack Thompson isn't just plain crazy, he's allso a homofobic biggot. So what if the game contains a scene of two guys making out? Worse things have happened. The game allready contains scenes with the game character kissing girls, so what makes him kissing boys so much worse? Jack Thompson is just looking for something to complain about.

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OK first of all dude ... watching a game is not going to suddenly turn a person gay Sorry. Second - it's not a decision a person makes to be gay Did you decide to be straight? No? omg you mean you just knew you were straight and you never had to kiss boys to find out if you liked girls? Ok so it's the same for a gay man. They don't choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight. And watching a video game with a boy kissing a boy isn't going to sudden;y make a person jump up and say "omg I want to go kiss boys now!" ... not unless that person would have kissed boys sooner or later anyway. So get a grip and go watch some "boobs flop around" - or whatever you like to do.

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Go Rockstar.

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Obviously this isn't going to bother anyone who bought this game or other Rockstar games...it's not like the company is known for producing uplifting, positive-themed games anyways. I say to Rockstar, shame on you. If people want to bash me now, go for it, your only argument is that this is acceptable because so many other people agree with you. Well I'm no longer going w/ the "masses" and I feel like this type of thing is the LAST thing we need put in games. But like I said, it's up to YOU to decide what you want to play. If this sortof thing doesn't bother you, I'm sure me saying it should won't change your mind. Just be careful, the next thing you know you may be playing Homo Dead or Alive and enjoy seeing something other than boobs floppin' around.

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So gay = bad. Yeah, right Thompson.

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Never really cared about homosexuality so long as it's not forced in my face, much the same way about religion. People can do as they please so long as they don't try to force their belief and way of life on others, and let them make their own choices. As such, I genuinely don't see a problem with this gay kissing situation. As other posters have mentioned, kissing, gay or not, isn't exactly explicit, nor is it unheard of...heck, kids around that age are already jumping the gun to go having sex with each other, and a game that features kissing of the same sex is suddenly a god-awful thing spawned from Satan himself. Please, I genuinely want Jack Thompson to try something with this, really try to make the game an M rating or get banned, because his new 'reason' is nothing more than experimentation that happens every day in the real world.

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Thompson needs to be castrated. BADLY.

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Awww, I wanted something deserving of an M rating in that aspect. *kidding*

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For a lawyer who addressed the president of ESRB as 'Patty' instead of 'Ms. Vance', that was very rude of him indeed, to be honest.

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The ESRB doesn't know what it's doing they give N3 a M rating for Violence, the equivlance violence of Smash Brothers, no blood or anything, then they give this game a T, with Language, Violence, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol and Drugs, and that Crude Humor whatever that means.They should have just gave this game an M rating and shut Thompson up.

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