Bully's boy-on-boy scenes causing a stir

"-starter- sccUniverse, most religions teach that God is forgiving. Your discription of him is a harsh ruler of the universe. Why would he create people just to have them damned to hell if they didn't believe in him? What is the point of him making everything and then trying to convince his creations that he exists without any hard proof? Once you start questioning things, the less they seem likely." First of all, "MOST" religions don't deal with God's word. Only Christianity is God's TRUE word, NOT Islam, Mormonism, Watchtower, etc. The God in those religion endorses hatred, revenge, killing, blasphemy, etc. - that is NOT God. And you ARE right. God is forgiving. That's why I said even gays aren't unredeemable. But saying "I'm sorry" isn't enough. If you were said "Im sorry" to someone but kept hurting them in either the same way or other ways you knew hurt them, you never really sincerely apologized. So no, if you aren't sincere in your apology to God because you don't believe in Him or his power, you WON'T be forgiven and you will go to Hell. That's the long and short of it. As for what is His point in making us? He wanted companionship. He made us in His own image. He made us to be like him but also to have free will. When humans decided long ago to be proud and do wrong, all of the human race from then on struggled with sin and being evil. We are all born sinners and will die sinners if we don't get saved. And God is a loving God...but he is also a JUST God and will service Justice to those who deny him. If you were to get a kill a person and went before the judge and said "I am truly sorry"...the Judge and the victim's family might forgive you...but justice will STILL be served. So like it or not, this is life. There is more to the world than YOU. Anyone who is a non-believer is a selfish, proud person. Finally, if you want "hard proof", read the Bible and examine your own life. REALLY examine it. I guarantee you - if you read the Word with an open heart you will see the errors of your ways and will know life would be so much better if you didn't do many things in your life. That's your PROOF: The most popular, best selling, most translated book in the world EVER. ============================================ "Falnor I've just been reading these comments and I can't believe the crap spawned by that religious nutter sccUniverse. Most of the evil that happens in this world is caused by religious nutters like him. If there is a hell them i'm quite sure he will be first in the queue when he dies. because of nutters like him we had the inquisition, bali bombings, 9/11, holocaust, london bombings etc. The whole world would be a better place if religion was never invented. Everyone would get along and there would be no war." ============================================ Okay, so you acknowledge that there MIGHT be a Hell, but yet you only think it is for Christians? Alright.....we'll go from there. So, let's get this straight....CHRISTIANS are going to Hell...NOT YOU.....because WE want to keep YOU from going there. Hmm, that makes sense..right? Um, no. If we were going to Hell and as evil as you described, wouldn't we want you to come with us because we are so mean? Secondly, if you believe you MIGHT get in a car accident, you buy car insurance, right? Well, you said you MAYBE believe in Hell.....WHY NOT GET death insurance by becoming a Christian? You can't be sure your car will get damaged, but yet you pay month after month because you BELIEVE it might happen. Well READ the BIBLE and BELIEVE in something more than yourself to SAVE yourself. And of course, there are always people who use God's name and cause for their own agendas which can sometimes be tragic...but know this, THAT is not God's fault, that is the fault of men who are NOT perfect NOT doing what HE intended.

Look at the way he worded that letter to "Patty". It's so informal. It's in fact a taunt. There is no way a serious lawyer would say "Oh we found gay events in Bully so there's no chance of that Teen rating you were thinking of". This guy has made no secret that he is desperate and willing to go QUITE LOW to get to Rockstar. This guy should have been sent to the asylum a looong time ago.

Jack Thompson ought to be arrested for saying that

Jeez. people are being so homophobic about things, On Fable you can marry a guy... and "join" him and stuff..... some people over react soo much. p.s, I agree with the person below, trying to be good through religion is being evil to the rest of the world.

I've just been reading these comments and I can't believe the crap spawned by that religious nutter sccUniverse. Most of the evil that happens in this world is caused by religious nutters like him. If there is a hell them i'm quite sure he will be first in the queue when he dies. because of nutters like him we had the inquisition, bali bombings, 9/11, holocaust, london bombings etc. The whole world would be a better place if religion was never invented. Everyone would get along and there would be no war.

so Jack Thompson right is going "That's right, we got Rockstar. They need to be stoped." With a kiss that happens behind the heads you can't see it? I don't know I think it's all tounge and cheek humor, sorry for the pun. Although with drunk and abusive characters in the game and all of them as taken with a witty sense of humor I just find it hard that even if your playing the game at this point 2 guys kissing you would understand the sense of humor of the game.

sccUniverse, most religions teach that God is forgiving. Your discription of him is a harsh ruler of the universe. Why would he create people just to have them damned to hell if they didn't believe in him? What is the point of him making everything and then trying to convince his creations that he exists without any hard proof? Once you start questioning things, the less they seem likely.

There's no point dealing with people who wants to change the life of the others around their model at all costs. If you don't accept the life of the others I think the problem is yours. I'm sorry for you.

So let me get this straight, real life Homosexuality is socially acceptable in public and on national tellivision...but digital homosexuality is strictly forbidden. Makes no sense to me, but political correctness gone crazy never does. These people need to get out more.

Wait, am I pretending to be homophobic or homosexual? .. I forget. How about I just hookup with whatever comes my way? Deal.

scandogbasic, do you want to make out with a boy (if you are a boy?) Or better yet, do you want your child to be gay? ...and I compared homosexuality to murder and drunkeness because they're all sin, no one is worse than another. A lie is the same as murder, stealing something is the same as thing as practicing Voodoo and worshipping spirits according to the Bible. If you don't want to believe in the Bible, FINE. I can't force you to believe in something. But ask yourself this when your next to the edge of a building or on a bridge...why not just jump? Is it because you will fall and most likely die? Is it because Gravity will pull you to your death? But yet you can't see, touch, smell or hear it...how do you know it is there? You don't. But you BELIEVE it is. Same thing. You BELIEVE you are a good person by letting people do whatever they want, so long as it doesn't affect you. Well what if someone BELIEVES they don't approve of something you're doing? Who's right? Neither. The only person who IS right is God, and if you DON'T believe he exists when he comes back and you start to fall, HE WON'T catch you. He'll let your beliefs in things like Gravity determine your fate.

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These are my suggestions for you people on the thread. 1.) If you don't want to kiss men in the game. Don't. 2.) If you don't want to kick yourself in the nuts in real life. Don't. Nobody is forcing you to do either!. However, if you had to pick between them. I would suggest the later of the two.

Trust me SccUniverse, by what you are saying not many people are going to heaven. Just check out most Christians. No one is perfect and no one is "good". I think the world would be better if people just enjoy life to the fulliest and stop worrying if they are going to heaven or hell, and I believe thats a fact.

Ever since the hot coffee these "advanced easter eggs" seem to be becoming common place. Based on whats going on in schools these days and its already trickled down to elementary grades, I can uderstand the "T" rating. This game is tame compared to whats really going. Can you imagine them puting in a scene in which you are on a mission to kill another student for stealing your prom date? Have to admit though the game moves well...cant wait for GTA 4.

"scandog_basic Feel free to read my posts you anti-gay guys. I know it might be hard to process. You might feel compelled to ignore it. Please come back with a valid argument. Please give me a reason for believing as you do. I would love to hear it; something backed up with facts, not opinions based on how you think its gross and don't like to think about it. I just want to know why. Not the bible either. It says lots of things in the bible. If everyone followed it verbatim, the world wouldn't be a very fun place to live." NO, the world ISN'T supposed to be a place to have fun. OUR ONLY goal while on this Earth is to avoid going to Hell, THAT'S IT. You are not "entitled" to any fun, any riches, any sex, any love, any ANYTHING. Now the good news is that by being a Christian and trying your best to live like God, you will not struggle with many things that non-believers do. No, you won't have sex with a hundred women. You might not even have sex ever again if it's not in His plans for you. But should you ever, it will be witha person you love and who genuinely loves you...and one person like that beats a million random sex romps anyday. No, you won't be wealthy. In fact, you won't really care about the material things in this world because you know that once you leave here, YOU CAN'T take any of it with you! Of course we're human and we would like to have nice things...but money will no longer fuel your life and every endeavor. No, you won't be successful. In fact, you will probably have a harder time to work because so many Non-Christians own businesses and make the rules...and non-Christians despise Christians. So you will most likely not be a CEO or President of the US...but don't worry, once you believe, you won't care...a job title is just a worldly thing you can't take with you either. The only things that will truly matter to you is your life with the people around YOU and more importantly your relationship with God. THAT'S IT. Think of yourself like you are in The Matrix....but you're NOT Neo. You're NOT Morpheus. You're NOT anything other than an average Joe who will be deleted with the rest of the world because the programmer [God] is so saddened and displeased with the way things worked out. You're ONLY way to be saved is by asking for forgiveness and accepting responsibility for all the bad which you have done. Then, when God finally hits that Delete key, you're in a nice Save folder while everyone else who didn't acknowledge how small and bad they were lost forever. I'm not saying Gay people are irredeemable. I'm not saying Bully will turn people Gay in one viewing. But I can say confidently that anyone who is FOR this game and has NO problems with it is NOT a Christian and will NOT be going to Heaven. I don't want ANYONE to die and then suffer forever. I don't want BaillieBoy, AC305, scan_dogbasic, or anyone else to go through that. And I certainly don't wnat my kids, when and if I ever have them...to be raised ina world where this garbage surrounds them constantly, making them struggle even MORE to find the turth. These aren't my rules, these were established long before MY ancestor was ever a twinkle in my great, great, great, great grandfather's eye.

why cant this thompson just get a life

People can do what the **** they want. What say do any of you have?

funky_muzik, Well, with the Wii you do flail your arms about and grip a long, hard object to manipulate things...I think you may be onto something LOL But then again, the Sixaxis has you twisting your hands in all sorts of unnatural positions to get things done, so I think I'll have to go w/ the PS3. :P

off topic funky_muzic

Wow! This is a heated thread. XBox 360 vs. PS3 vs. Wii anyone? Actually, out of all of the next/new generation game systems, the "Wii" definitely sounds the gayest. Of course, Nintendo does want to appeal to everyone.

Yo, bobreturns. Just let people live their life. I'm stright, but I don't go around saying gay is wrong and saying they are disgusting. Sure I disagree with the gay lifestyle, but gays made the choice to be gay Let them live their own lives and let us live our own.

"GUYston Thats INSANE, it shouldn't matter if it's a boy OR a girl. Maybe if thier was sex involved then it would but it's just a kiss! And by the way that' s my unbiasd opinion." ------------------------------------------------------------ I used to think girl-on-girl was okay too (even great) but then I realized being gay is not right for anyone, regardless of what sex you are or how "hot" you look. hanjo feeling a bit sorry for sccUniverse and jondommy, and am positively surprised about the majority of posts on here, makes me hope that some day we might have a more tolerant society, not acting on bible paragraphs but on their heart. ------------------------------------------------------------ I AM acting on MY heart, and MY heart is in the Bible. That does NOT mean I am perfect or any better than anyone else on this planet. In fact, I am probably far worse than many people reading these posts. But I do have my eyes open now and believe that THIS IS NOT MY LIFE. I have no "real" control over this world, only what God allows me to interact with. I can make choices but ultimately I am only able to control myself. Gays DO NOT control themselves. They act on instincts or urges every human has but only few (and unfortunately decreasing) withstand. My HEART is pleading with the world, PLEASE, take a look around you, stop being selfish and saying "NOT my problem" or "It only AFFECTS me and my LOVER"....and say that you are sorry to the One TRULY responsible for your existence...or do you REALLY believe you are the master of your own fate? But if this method of testing was truly accepted and infallible, wouldn't you be able to apply this to EVERY behavior known to man? Serial killers and rapists weren't responsible for their actions - THEY HAD NO CHOICE because chemicals in their brain as a fetus MADE them do it. The neighbor down the street didn't pay his bills but instead drank it away NOT because he ignored his responsibilities....but BECAUSE a chromosome was altered in his DNA while an embryo and made him an uncontrollable alcoholic. Finally, ::scandog_basic::, you wrote about a person performing tests and experiments that "proved" gays have NO control over their sexual orientation. Alright, I'm not going to argue that some people are MORE inclined to be gay than others from hormonal imbalances to emotional/sexual abuse suffered while developing as a child. I'm sorry folks, but I no longer believe too much of what other humans say. We lie, we make mistakes, we have hidden agendas and sometimes are plain evil. There's not a single "good" person in the whole world, according to God's standards. And personally, I like believing that someone expects more out of me than I do of myself.

I don't see how similar scenes that involve 2 men are any more "mature" then those with a man and a women. We shouldn't have these ridiculous social distinctions. All Jack Thompson is asking for is to pull the wool over the eyes of the people. This really does sicken me. It's not even as if there's extreme violence or explicit sexuality. There are scenes that are the same except with a man and a woman, and if that's okay then so should the same sex scene. It's a horrible double standard.

ok scandog_basic im guessing u r gay or at least bi and there arent facts for not liking gayness lol but the reason most people think its gross is because its NOT NATURAL you are supposed to be attracted to the oppposite sex like in magnets "opposites attract" i think gay is disgusting

i didnt want this in the first place now i definitley don't lol

Are you saying that you're better than Jesus?! Just because you can read and he couldn't?! Thats absurd. I take offense to that. Sure, you are literate, and Jesus was not. That is not a determining factor of intelligence about gays. How dare you.

One thing that gets me mad is the gay kissing because one, its weird and two, its just plain unnecessary. How does gay kissing improve a game in any way, seriously? People need to make games that actually are entertaining and not weird like this game.

People seem to be completely ignoring when me and sccuniverse have both said our oppinions arent taken from our beliefs. Could you all please READ and THINK before posting. And scandog...it's pretty obviously that I didn't mean all gay I mean't no sexuality as in...No boundary between gay and straight and bisexual. Which is the way the world is going.

sccuniverse...I love you Words ring true, I'm not inteligent enough to say it that way.

Thats INSANE, it shouldn't matter if it's a boy OR a girl. Maybe if thier was sex involved then it would but it's just a kiss! And by the way that' s my unbiasd opinion.

feeling a bit sorry for sccUniverse and jondommy, and am positively surprised about the majority of posts on here, makes me hope that some day we might have a more tolerant society, not acting on bible paragraphs but on their heart. and then again thanks to rockstar games for scratching on this taboo - they are surely not the first, but thanks to charming mr thompson it has become a topic. wonder about the next rockstar game "jack in jail" - could most possibly include some same sex actions as well...

obywan & gamewako, me being a Christian does NOT entitle me to JUDGE anyone. I am just as guilty of nearly every sin imaginable and if it weren't for believing in God and trying my best to be like Him from this day on, I WOULD be going to Hell. End of story. The reason why this topic, though it has no direct affect on me personally or probably even anyone I know first hand, I am extremely offended by the fact that people JUST DON'T CARE ANYMORE. I wasn't always this way, I used to laugh this off and say, "Well, to each his own." ...well, dear readers, let me ask you this.....tell me if you think differently than you did FIVE years ago? Yes, of course you did. Do you think you've been shaped and sculpted by what you've seen and experienced in the past five years? Do you think that things that once were offensive or shocking to you no longer are (like Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, Eminem, etc.)??? Do you, maybe *possibly* acknowledge that you have become numb to the motions and convictions you once had about virtually ANY topic because society again and again says "It's okay, follow the crowd, don't hurt anyone's feelings?"? Remember waking up on Saturday morning and watching Ninja Turtles and Bugs Bunny while eating cereal? Do you think kids nowadays do that? No, they're on the computer, typing away at Myspace and seeing ads for shows like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" and Brokeback Mountain. There's something to be said about NOT letting garbage into our lives because, ultimately, eventually, IT WILL COME BACK AND AFFECT US OR THE PEOPLE WE CARE ABOUT DIRECTLY. So, NO, I put my foot down and say ENOUGH Rockstar. You want to be mean and corrupt yourselves, fine. But "hiding" content like this (I don't see this being used as a selling point...yet) is sneaky and deceitful. People, you have to realize, it's OKAY to go against what everyone is doing sometimes. SOMETIMES, the majority is blind because of their numbers and only YOU can decide whether or not you want to follow blindly. Show some spirit and some guts, say NO.

uh huh obywan. I'm only saying 1 thing for your questions. These people refuse to believe there is anything wrong with them. The End.

Jondommy obywan...sccuniverse wrote that because someone ELSE brought it up and automatically dismissed it. I brought it up to make clear how little it sways my oppinion. Please, try and keep up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am, you aren't: you didn't answer my questions.

Jondommy, for a fellow who is adamant about following the word of God, you appear unaware of your own hypocrisy. Your Link avatar is a clear endorsement of a pagan religion, which is spoked against explicitly in the Bible. I think endorsing the worship of other gods is far greater than homosexuality in the eyes of God. _________________________________________________________ ...what the hell are you talking about? My avatar is link because I like the games =S. Just because I enjoy the game doesn't mean I think it's real life or truthful LOL what drugs are you on ffs.

Jondommy, for a fellow who is adamant about following the word of God, you appear unaware of your own hypocrisy. Your Link avatar is a clear endorsement of a pagan religion, which is spoked against explicitly in the Bible. I think endorsing the worship of other gods is far greater than homosexuality in the eyes of God.

I dont understand gays, but i dont hate them, each to their own as i always say. I dont see how this game should have a different age limit thing if it has homo in it. The ESRB have got it right with the teen for violence and Light sexual scenes

"D.F. Swaab conducted the next noteworthy experiment in 1990. This experiment became the first to document a physiological difference in the anatomical structure of a gay man's brain. Swaab found in his post-mortem examination of homosexual males' brains that a portion of the hypothalamus of the brain was structurally different than a heterosexual brain. The hypothalamus is the portion of the human brain directly related to sexual drive and function. In the homosexual brains examined, a small portion of the hypothalamus, termed the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), was found to be twice the size of its heterosexual counterpart [2]. " << LINK REMOVED >> Homosexuality is mostly biological. Sexual orientation can also be affected by social environments, but the brain structure that correlates with homosexuality will usually be present. It is never the person's fault. It isn't a choice. It isn't a disease or mutation. Evolutionary forces must be involved to make such a large portion of the population gay Homosexuality has been around throughout the history of the world. Christianity repressed it, and only recently is it beginning to be accepted. Stop being ignorant fools. _______________________________________________________ Whatever...so you'll be glad when there is no sexuality anymore? The day that happens I'll wish to die.

LMAO guy on guy action?? :lol:

obywan...sccuniverse wrote that because someone ELSE brought it up and automatically dismissed it. I brought it up to make clear how little it sways my oppinion. Please, try and keep up.

gamewako...you clearly missed the point where i explained exactly what type of pacifist I meant.

So what! I couldnt care less if he made out with a washing machine. If boy on girl is fine for 'Teen' then I dont see why boy on boy should be any different. Surely its the act being graded not the gender ? Are the taboos still just too strong these days ?

to sccUniverse and jondommy: Now I can see why religion is often pointed as a fault in human's existence, because it changes forever the way someone sees the world. Please let's try lo leave religion out: If two people of the same sex feels attracted one with the other, and they're happy with it, why should anyone try to change this? Why you should feel obligate to be against it if no harm comes to you? Why you should try to heal them if they don't even want to be healed?

I was raised Christian and maybe you have not seen this personally yet, but most religions are full of hypocrisy. I am sure most Clan members view themselves as model Christians. Besides how do I know that the whole men-lying with men thing in the bible wasn't just stuck in there by some gay-bashing King during the Crusades. I am not mocking anyones religion - I am just trying to say that anyone who can dismiss someones life choice as being 100% wrong is not a nice person. Morality should be based on being good to each other and treating everyone the SAME...not saying "Gays are OK, but everything they do is wrong and God is gonna get them for it". That is biggoted and small-minded. Jesus sat with sinners and harlots and didn't look down on them...why can't people who say, "Be more like Jesus" actually follow their own advice? *Jondommy "And for whoever said about a world full of ignorance and prejudice, I agree, but the pacifists are much more dangerous. The people who are ready to let anyone do anything they want as long as conflict is avoided. Sadly these people make up 90% of the planets population, and they make me physically sick." --I am guessing you are not a big Star Trek fan...isn't that what the Federation is based on. Yeah a utopia of non-violence where people dodn't go around judging each other sure would suck...

I do not approve of gay themes in games, but they did not have a problem when The Sims received a Teen rating and you do more than just kiss someone of the same sex in that game

Anyone ever wonder - are we influenced by video games moreso than video games are influenced by us? If video games are "art" (which they are) and art is an imitation of life. Then our society dictates the games that come out every year. So. Those of you who are gay bashing just so happen to be the same people who can't recognize art and satire in ANY media. Be it video games, movies, plays, paintings, or similar. So, perhaps you people should be a little gay If that's what it will take for you to appreciate art. Go ahead, kiss a dude. Enjoy a painting.

Jondommy - surely it's not that strange if someone else asks why you have a certain opinion? Surely you are able to say why you see homosexuality as a disability beyond saying "I am me"? _______________________________________________________ Liking your lack of hostility man, nice one. I thought it was strange to ask me what criteria I used...a sentance which to me makes little sense, so I took it as in a foretold or fixed reason for why I would have the oppinion, as opposed to actually believing it myself. I have that oppinion because in the way I see it, the re-produce is one of the human beings main fuctions on this earth. This disease known as "Homosexuality" takes away ones ability(or wish) to do so. It is in many ways a perversion of the human mind, but even I don't properly refer to it like that often, as the word "Perverse" has narrowed in meaning as of late. Our reproductive organs(and the parts of our minds that make us use these) are all for the sole purpose of reproduction. Lust is a bi-product of the need to re-produce, this is the sole reason for the pleasure of sex, so we don't see it as a chore. In the Bible God himself tells..someone(lol) that sex is a blessing to the married. That...is why Christians tend to be against pre-marital sex. All in all, I can see everything I just said being waved away as "Bible-bashing BS". So I will assure you all that this was my belief for years BEFORE I was a Christian.

Lilac_Benjie : Why don't you get a brain and ACCEPT that heterosexuality is RIGHT. And the others are WRONG. What criteria are you using? Religion? Please ================================================= Well, since you said "please": Romans 1:26-27 26. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27. and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Minority? 10% of the population is estimated to be gay. ========================================== 600 Million people are gay With no "choice" to be straight because they ae BORN that way? Do you have any factual evidence to back this up? Do you have any proof that one in 10 people are gay So if that's the case why is 90% of the population so accepting of this 10% but you'd be hard pressed to find minorities of other types (racial, economical, etc.) given such lenient and accepting entrance to our society. Children? Earth is overpopulated as it is, do we really need another ten percent of six billion mouths to feed? ======================================================= So instead of people perhaps having their tubes tied or vascectomies you would encourage people to become gay instead? For what, what practical purpose does being gay serve beyond sexual reasons??? Are we all so caught up in sex-everything nowadays that we have to go as far as we can to tame our lust? What's next, after homosexualty is the norm and straight people are 10%....animal sex? necorphilia? Where are people's limits? Have you all lost them?

Jondommy, I think the attitude you have presented resembles everything that is wrong with modern society. Homosexuality is NOT a disability. Saying such is just as bad as saying being black is a disability. Being gay is just another way of life and is considered normal by most people in the 21st century. I say this as a completely tolerant heterosexual atheistic white male. I suggest you modernise and learn to accept that other people can live differently.