Bully's boy-on-boy scenes causing a stir

"Riverwolf007 Well SSC I hope it dosen't get lonely up there on your high horse, pride is a trap and will put your soul in danger as well as any other trap set for you. Every man i see is better than me in some way and its my job to find out what that is and emulate it. God made 10% of the population gay and i for one am not going to question it or judge it or strap on an explosive vest and blow myself up at an interior decorating conference to protest it." PRIDE is only allowed when it's Pride in God. I'm not proud of myself, I'm proud I KNOW God has saved me. There's a BIG difference. I don't want to emulate other men's behavior because everyone is flawed. Why not emulate a being who ISN'T flawed? God did not make 10% of population gay (again, that statistic, from where?). Satan placed homosexuality in the minds of men and MEN allowed THEMSELVES to become gay regardless of biological tendencies. And don't blow up yourself (I know you're joking) because only God can judge and punish people, not other people.

sccUniverse, you are just another Christian fanatic. There are homosexual people in this world. Deal with it. There's nothing you can do about it, and peddling your religion and saying that Christians are superior only make you look bad. (BTW I am a heterosexual atheist.) And regarding your post about gravity, it exists because if you drop something, it will fall to the floor. Gravity is fact. There are no debates or beliefs when you are dealing with fact. And if you don't believe me, why don't YOU try jumping off a cliff and see what God will do for you then. Will God save you with an outstretched hand? No. You will fall, scream, and get splattered all over the ground.

sancezz, Hell exists because when Lucifer fell from Heaven (along with his angels), God created a place for them for all eternity. Hell was never meant for humans. When God gave only ONE rule to Adam and Eve, don't eat the apple, he did it because he loved them and wanted them to have free will. If your creation did everything exactly the way you wanted, what would be the point? When Adam & Eve disobeyed God, God cast them out of paradise and made them aware of their sins (disobeying God). From then on, all the Human race was condemned to be aware of our sins and still have free will. Of course God knows exactly what will happen to everyone and yes, he knows already which of us will go to Hell and who will be with him. He knew this then. It defies OUR logic to comprehend this but do you expect an ant to understand how a human mind works? NO. God IS perfect. He exists because he has always existed. There is NO explanation other than that. Again, we are ants trying to understand the world around us. AC305, I am sorry to discourage you from wanting to hear more about the Bible - those are not my intentions. However, many churches and so-called Christians proclaim only the positives of a "good" life without any of the commitments or punishments if you don't do as God commands. You do not follow the speed limit when driving because you want to, it would be great and fun and exciting to drive how ever fast you wanted. But you fear getting a ticket, therefore you try your best not to speed. Same concept. GOD is our savior from eternal damnation, not our key to a blessed and perfect life in THIS world. In fact, you will most likely have a harder life as a Christian BECAUSE the world is full of sin. sccUniverse, you said that people wont jump off of buildings because they believe in gravity and they will die because of that belief and God makes that belief come true for them. Then if you believe and have faith in God that he will be there for you and save you, I bet you still look both ways when you cross the road." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course I look before I walk across the road. Is it because I fear death? Yes, I am sinful person still trapped in my disbelief at times and cling to my life here and because I am human, it is human nature to want to survive at all costs. Does that mean I always sin and am an evil person when crossing a road or avoiding a bad part of town? NO, because deep down I truly know that if God were to call me back to Him while I type this sentence I would be alright. Once living as God intended you to live and saved, you cannot be unsaved. It isn't possible. I am not afraid of dying and returning to Him but I do not want to end my life HERE because a selfish desire to get to Heaven faster. It's weird, its complicated, but God wants people here for however long they're supposed to be here. It does make sense, you simply have to BELIEVE in Him. Xelis, i also see you believe in Darwinism (Natural Selection) - watch this: << LINK REMOVED >> ClaudeLv250 "sccUniverse is a psuedo-Christian. He uses Christian beliefs to condemn people as he sees fit but completely ignores the positive teachings." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not condemning anyone. We are all already condemned to death. This isn't the US Legal System. We are not innocent until proven guilty. You need to stop thinking the bible is about love, happiness and equality. It's about Salvation, that's all....Salvation through God and living like Him. Love, Happiness & Joy usually come along with salvation, but those are NOT guaranteed, despite what you may have been taught in Sunday School or every Sunday when you attend church because you believe you are being a "good" person. The "positive teachings" are shown to you as you live FOR God, not yourself. Only a believer will understand what I mean....until you accept Jesus, you must have faith in Him and all you have to do is ask him for that. Then, you will understand what He means. "Why? Jesus didn't. He dressed in rags and helped the poor and unfortunate, he didn't surround himself with something as subjective as random people who are "good" and most likely wealthy. It's funny how something gets turned around so wildly hudnreds of years later." --------------------------------------------------------- Jesus was perfect. He never sinned, even when demons like Legion (a group of 2000 or so demons possessing a person) stood before Him. WE, however, are NOT perfect. We may be able to avoid temptation for awhile but only those who believe in God know that they are perfectly safe wherever they are. As for your comments about Rich="Good" and Poor/Unfortunate=Bad, it says in the Bible that it is harder for a "camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a wealthy person to come to Christ" (it may be another big animal, I don't know the exact verse). "Except you fail to understand that homosexuality, like race or gender, is not something that can be flicked on and off like a light switch." ---------------------------------------------------------------- There's always a choice. You can wake up in the morning and rob a bank or you can go to work. You can put on your shoes or go barefoot. You can kiss a girl or have sex with a man. Worldly limitations put on us that are sometimes out of our control (income, gender, race, hormonal imbalances, etc.) is NO excuse to sin and there are NO loopholes in the Bible. "Either that or you just don't want to accept it, because you'd realize just how angry and moronic you'd look telling people that they've been condemned to hell the second they came out of the womb. And if people can't "preach" about being okay with their lifestyle, you certainly don't have the right to condemn them for it." -------------------------------------------------- I'm NOT condemning gays for their lifestyle, I'm simply saying that it IS sinful and they can't be Christians and if they don't change and die tomorrow, they WILL go to Hell. If a person always robbed banks but there were never any cameras, guards, etc. to stop him, WHY would he stop robbing banks? He wouldn't. Maybe he'd think BECAUSE those things WEREN'T there it's alright to do. But what if, someone came to him while he was stealing and said, "That isn't right, and I hope you know, unless you stop doing that and ask God for forgiveness and give your life to Him, you'll die and suffer forever?"...would he MAYBE, POSSIBLY think differently? I can't say that I am saving any one of you from Hell....but I am no doubt TRYING my hardest to let you know being "good" ISN'T enough.

Gay content = sacriligeous. Running over innocent pedestrians = okay? Whatever. I just LOVE Thompson's response.

Well SSC I hope it dosen't get lonely up there on your high horse, pride is a trap and will put your soul in danger as well as any other trap set for you. Every man i see is better than me in some way and its my job to find out what that is and emulate it. God made 10% of the population gay and i for one am not going to question it or judge it or strap on an explosive vest and blow myself up at an interior decorating conference to protest it.

Ok, this is probably been done to death, and i don't know if i get an answer...but...hey. this is for SccUniverse. Ok, so you say that we are born sinners, and that Hell exists, but only for people who deny God and refuse to worship him. So. Here it is. Why does Hell exist? if God created us, and if God is truly omniscient, which He surely is, then can humans be blamed for their own actions? If He knew what was going to happen, and He knew that were were to sin, why did He not stop it? Granted, if He knew what were were going to do, we cannot have free will, and if we cannot have free will, we cannot be blamed for anything that happens. So, the quesiton is: Do we have free will, or is God not perfect? And if God is not perfect, why, does He exist? oh, and Omali, in God's image means that we are spiritual beings, able to make moral decisions for ourselves, not direct copies of Him. That's what it means.

Okay, then how does he know there really isn't a god in any religion? It is common sense that there is no way to prove if there is, indeed, a God or not. It is what it is, and this has been guiding humans throughout history. I respect Omali's opinion, but he needs to understand that not all people agree with him. Religion is the guide to a fulfilled life, but some people have twisted it (Islamic radicals and SccUniverse) so much that it just not seem right.

Here we go again.. Religion being the cause of war and conflict, this just over 2 boys kissing in game. Its stupid, I could name all the religions and 99% would have a record of being the cause of war and or killing. sccUniverse, you said that people wont jump off of buildings because they believe in gravity and they will die because of that belief and God makes that belief come true for them. Then if you believe and have faith in God that he will be there for you and save you, I bet you still look both ways when you cross the road. Anyway, on topic a little. I find the kissing funny, but I dont like the fact that it could teach children who get the play this that being gay is right, because its naturally wrong. There would be no gay people if the human race still had natural selection.

I imagine that Jack has jumped on this area of the game to try and get the right wing religious front demonstrating at the shop doors as well as all the mis-informed nutcase parent groups (read soccer-moms). I don't know what he aims to achieve by this though, Bully/CCE is easily going to be (if not already) one of the best selling games on the PS2 this Christmas. Maybe someone should send him Rockstars release schedule so he'll have a whole year to plan to tackle GTA4.

sccUniverse is a psuedo-Christian. He uses Christian beliefs to condemn people as he sees fit but completely ignores the positive teachings. You can't love thy neighbor when you're spending your time condemning them for the way they were born. It's not your place to determine who is and isn't going to hell. Except you fail to understand that homosexuality, like race or gender, is not something that can be flicked on and off like a light switch. Either that or you just don't want to accept it, because you'd realize just how angry and moronic you'd look telling people that they've been condemned to hell the second they came out of the womb. And if people can't "preach" about being okay with their lifestyle, you certainly don't have the right to condemn them for it.

theKSMM, It is ON TOPIC, people are saying its okay to have content like this in a game, I'm saying it isn't and defending MY position. Omali, You are being saying blasphemy and being proud, saying that you understand God more than He understands himself. Do you understand how a car works in every way? Do you know the human body works and how to solve every medical problem? Do you know how the universe was formed or how many grains of sand there are on a beach? Since you don't and since you can't prove that you do, you cannot say for a fact that God doesn't exist. And if you can't prove THOSE arguments what makes you honestly think you can know they way God's mind and heart works and what his intentions are for anything? You can't. Just because you don't know don't understand how a Nuclear Reactor works doesn't mean that it doesn't exist and that it doesn't do certain things for reasons you might possibly be unable to comprehend. "AC305 SccUniverse, don't you think its healthier to just enjoy life and stop worrying about going to heaven or hell?" It's healthy to live, of course it is! Life is great! Life is a wonderful thing. But you always have to remember that THIS WORLD is NOT forever. 80 years isn't even the blink of an eye in eternity. And if I want to avoid spending all of eternity in pain and agony by simply devoting my 80 yrs. here to God who can save me, I'll do that GLADLY. Riverwolf, I do not Idolize Ryo. I do not put him before God. That is what idolizing is. You could say that about anything. Do I idolize Mountain Dew because I drink it often? Do I do idolize oxygen because I breathed it every second? Seriously, your argument doens't hold up. Maybe I should remove that Ryo avatar, I guess I hadn't thought of it since becoming a Christian. Thank you for helping me. And just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I don't sin. I still lie, I still lust for women I still think things I shouldn't. But the difference is that I'm SORRY for doing those things, whether I mean to do them or not and try my best to avoid sin, rather than seek it out. That's the difference. Non-Christians seek out sin and don't repent to God. And you didn't judge me - God judges me whenever I sin...ONLY HIM. He may help you bring something to my attention (like the avatar), but HE is the one who judges me. A Christian can't judge anyone because they are STILL sinners. FINALLY, to SpareJesus who wrote: "Naw, Omali is quite correct in his logic. Plus, the Bible wasn't written by God. It was written by men long, long ago, and since then, there's been plenty of time for revisions and edits, thus allowing Human Predjudice to sink right in there. Don't base all your beliefs on an old book, people. Otherwise I'd quite happily follow the teachings of, I dunno. Another really old book." You can't prove it WASN'T written by God and simply put to paper by men, can you? Writers nowadays use other people to put their words to paper while they dictate, could that have not happened also even though you weren't there? Also, you base your life right now on what you have learned in school, seen on TV, read in the newspaper, etc...and you learned from books, shows, articles written by other people before YOU read them. So why is their arguments and words MORE valid, because they are more recent? If buying a TV, would you buy a Sony brand or a model from a company who just came out yesterday? Surely, in your mind the newer model is better, even though millions of people have used and enjoyed Sony TVs for years. Or do YOU honestly believe that YOU know more than all these other people, many of whom lived longer and had more life experience than you? Couldn't you believe in something MORE than your understanding? I have no doubt most people believe in love...but how can you prove that? How do you KNOW when you love someone. How do you know someone loves you? PROVE IT. You can't, scientifically, but you can believe it.

Naw, Omali is quite correct in his logic. Plus, the Bible wasn't written by God. It was written by men long, long ago, and since then, there's been plenty of time for revisions and edits, thus allowing Human Predjudice to sink right in there. Don't base all your beliefs on an old book, people. Otherwise I'd quite happily follow the teachings of, I dunno. Another really old book.

LOL because boys kissing is an "adult" activity?... LMAO Come on. I'm sure a lot of 15 yo boys have kissed other 15 yo boys... surely they're not too scarred from it... heheh

uhh Omali, what are you talking about? That's worse B.S than SccUniverse

If it's your choice to skip it, then the rating is justified. Plain and simple. Thompson is just being a jackass.

Look SSC i know you dont really get it but i'm mocking you because you are everything that is wrong with organized religion. First off you are a hypocrite since Ryu on your profile picture is a Shintoist or Buddist or whatever he is, you should be condeming him for that yet you IDOLIZE him. There, is that nice that i have judged you and found you sinful?

SccUniverse, don't you think its healthier to just enjoy life and stop worrying about going to heaven or hell?

Decisive Evidence God doesn't exist: The bible says that god created man in his image, that he is all knowing and all powerful. In his image: If god created man in his image, how did gay people arise? Because if it was in his image, they clearly wouldn't be born that way All knowing: All knowing means everything, which would mean he knew everything that would happen in the future, meaning that he would've seen people being born gay. All powerful: This goes along with the "all knowing" part. If God saw this coming, then why didn't he change the way people are? If you know that somebody's going to turn out a certain way that you don't like (enough to send them to a place of constant fire torment) and you had the power to make them to your specifications, wouldn't you use that? Especially if you "love them" Try that logic on for size, scc

It's funny to see how, without any real details, the mere mention of homosex content throws so many into a tizzy! Anyway... A question to people who are actually playing the game; how is the main character's emotional involvement with the boy portrayed in comparison to the girls? Is the character actually enjoying the kisses or is he just faking out fellow male/female students to get something. Does he, without a doubt, really prefer girls? Is he gay or bi? Is this even covered? Let me guess.... he's straight? If anyone knows, please post.

So has anybody actually the game or has this just become a website for religious flaming? Based on the number of responses in this thread, should be the best-selling game of all time. Can we keep it on-topic, people? Please?

Riverwolf007, I don't have any answers. Only God does. Be careful not to mock Him. Jammet, this discussion goes back several posts, it does make sense because people are commenting on why Gay is Great and apparently nothing to the contrary can be said. -Mickle- You should surround yourself with people who are good or you will most likely end up like them. If you have no problem being however you want, then I guess that's all that matters. Also, you obviously have no experience in love because NO PERSON will make you perfect inside because NO PERSON is perfect. Again, if you are dead-set (literally) on being a homosexual, by all means do as you wish - just don't bring it on the rest of society by preaching it whenever possible that it is "Okay to be Gay". Also, you say "Who cares what other people think!"...God does...and you should care about yourself to care what He thinks of you. "If there is such a place as heaven then I cant wait for every1 to get up there and see gay people present, to show that infact it is right, very natural! and accepted in this day!" What would be the point of Heaven and Hell if everyone who existed here was able to act exactly the same way in another place? So when you say "every1" I assume you mean murderers, rapists, child molesters, sadists, people like Hitler Castro, etc. as well??? Oh, if they are "too" evil, where does the line get drawn and who out of all us humans should draw it?

look, SccUniverse, Its common sense that it is no ones right to judge anothers lifesytle. You fail to understand that and you give Christians a bad name. Christians are supposed to tolerate all people, even if you don't agree with that person. You believe that you know everything, but in the end it is GOD that judges us, smart one. You assume that GOD hates this and hates that, and this thinking ends up with bad results. I only read the good in the Bible, SccUniverse, the part which shows Jesus's teaching about love and accpetance. You only read the parts which show hatred. I feel sorry that you fail to understand this, but you are only human. So take my advice, stop judgeing people you don't know, and live your own life. Trust me, its easier to live your own life then to judge another PS: Yo SccUniverse, you are dumb because if you check how many hours you've been here it adds up more then me. Had troubles in Math lately? Also, this is a sick perversion with you and this comment section. Just stop posting, breath in, and relax. In addition, if you check not many people agree with you. Is that a coinsidence?

Oh, mighty SSCUNIVERSE in your infinite knowledge and mercy please tell me your humble disciple of which christians you speake of for there are many false divisions of the word? Should i be protestant or catholic? Methodist? Baptist? Adventist? Please oh host of posts oh master, my soul doth cry out for wisdom and i know not where to turn? oh please answer me in my time of need who should i follow? what is the ultimate truth for i fear to follow any lest you not approve my absolutions. amen.

What's this stuff about God doing in here? Get a room! This is about Take Two, Bully, Thomson and his idiocy.

some of you need to grow up, jackasses.

"AC305 Okay, now I realize SccUniverse has no life. He has been posting for over an hour. Let it go, C'mon! You sound like your obsessed with this topic. Its funny how SccUniverse sounds like he knows what he is talking about, but in reality he's just saying B.S. Look, I'm a Christian and I don't even agree with you!" ######################################### You also keep posting, so you make fun of me for having no life? Isn't that a double standard? I will never let it go of my feelings about this whether or not the debate ends here in this thread or on another site or in person or wherever I am. I have been at "work" all day and I have not been given anything to do during certains time sof today, which is actually quite odd - but it just so happened to be the day I came across this topic and I see that as NO coincidence. I highly doubt that I will convince any of you to accept God and change your lives with my few ramblings but I will planted a seed and then it'll be the next person who down the road will help that grow even more. Who knows, maybe I am watering someone else's idea. So that's my agenda and as long as you have questions or counterpoints, I am more than happy to respond to them. Also, AC305, I do not see how you are a Christian if you believe certain parts of the Bible but not others. God said numerous times that homosexuality is wrong in different places in the Old & New Testament. To say that he is wrong about that is to say he is wrong about everything. There is no gray area. I truly hope you do not feel this way. ============================================== spelledarn Weird.. I presume for the sequel there will be BDSM and Furry-sex scenes as well? ============================================== I'm sure Rockstar at this rate will make a pedophile simulator in the next 10 years if people don't ever say where the line is.. ============================================= HuxleyHobbes Yes, because anyone other than the religious right gives a crap. ============================================= Well you posted here, so obviously you care enough to voice your opinion. ============================================= Sim_genius Sim_genius all the guys saying that gays are bad and they're disgusted by gay people it's because they're hiding their own homosexuality and want to refuse to accept that. There I said it XD ============================================= I'm not going to say homosexual thoughts haven't ever entered my mind before. It was never on purpose that I'm aware and it probably didn't last for more than a fraction of a second but yes, I have to deal with the SAME thing every man and woman has to deal with out there. I'm no better. But I acknowledge the possibility for me to do that is ALWAYS there but I refuse to act on it. That's the difference. So no, I'm not disgusted by Gay people, but I am afraid for (and admit sometimes of - which isn't right) non-Christians. And there will never be a Gay Christian - it's not possible. ================================================ scarybarry sccUniverse: I know I will never be able to change your views, mostly because there never can be rational debate when one side of the issue feels that "faith" is a valid argument for the viability of any idea. ================================================ Scarybarry, I am willing to listen to whatever points you come up with in any topic and will wholeheartedly agree with you if you can prove without a SHADOW ofa DOUBT that what you are saying is true. But YOU Can't. And because you can't, all that you are arguing back with is FAITH...but in your own BELIEFS. So when it comes down to matter of debating BELIEFS, how can you be sure who is right? BY BELIEVING. I have believed in your way, the UNGODLY way, the "anything goes way" all my life, up until recently. I still struggle with it every single minute of every single day. I know, that by living as an Ungodly person I am bad, I hurt people, I feel little if no remorse, I am consumed with greed and lust, I think only of myself and never about those around me, whether I know them or not. I know, that with at max 80 yrs. on this planet I need to accumulate all I can and be the "king of the hill" to be happy. I know that when I die, THERE IS NOTHING because I believe there is NOTHING. But have YOU believed in God's way? Have you ever believed that there is more to life than YOU. More to life than having sex with every girl you come across or buying every fancy thing you can find. Ever buy something to cheer yourself up, only to realize it really didn't make you feel any better? Same principle, larger scale. And most importantly, have you believed that WHEN YOU DIE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE BAD THINGS YOU HAVE DONE (Lying, lusting, stealing, etc.) YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOREVER IF YOU DON'R REPENT, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND LIVE A GODLY LIFE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN? So THAT is how you end a debate between beliefs. By comparing the way YOU are by living and abiding to those standards set. But, for the sake of argument, let me address what you wrote: "But for someone who says they don't really trust anything that comes out of the mouths of humans anymore, you sure do put a lot of faith in the Bible, which was, of course, put on paper by humans." =========================================== Humans wrote down the words but God spoke through them. Man did not "write" the Bible, they were simply the pen and the ink. Of course you have to BELIEVE in order to accept that. "While no one will be able to effectively debate the existence of God, there can be no doubt that religion is a man-made concept." =========================================== I have doubts. I doubt that you can definitively prove that statement because you don't know everything. Even if you knew 1% of EVERY thing there was to know in the universe....isn't it POSSIBLE, that in that 99% you don't know that there is PROOF beyond ANY doubt that He does exist? Have you ever wondered why the three major mono-theistic religions in the world today all trace their roots to the exact same geographical region? =========================================== Because they are all based on The Bible and Satan uses similar but deceptive writings to confuse non-Believers. But no matter what, the Devil cannot DISPROVE the Bible, God won't allow it. "The point is that something man-made is fallible, and subject to revision." =========================================== But the Bible ISN'T man made..it is made for man. I believe that if God truly exists, he is less concerned with whether we play video games and more concerned with living by the Golden Rule. =========================================== Of course he is concerned with us practicing The Golden Rule. And I doubt he minds us playing certain games. But no matter how WE try to justify it, WE do not know better than Him. So while being "good" is good enough for you, it's NOT good enough for him, or me, or anyone unless we're saved. "You do not want other people defining morality for you, so why do you support someone like Jack Thompson who wants to define morality for everyone?" =========================================== I cannot speak for Jack Thompson, only myself. There are always good ways and bad ways to handle every situation and I'm sure he has failed before trying to get his message across. But just know this, God does NOT punish those who try to spread his Word, only those you corrupt it for selfish reasons. And because I am not Mr. Thompson, i do not know if he does all this to further his own image or to genuinely help. Either way, it's not for me to decide. "Christians like you maintain, it is only because they resent being told they are immoral by a group of people who are responsible for some of the greatest scourges this planet has ever seen. Christians do not have a monopoly on the definition of morality." ============================================= TRUE Christians will NEVER be responsible for any horrible thing. People will fall, people will stumble, people will sin, even believers...but of the times you speak of where horrible things happened, it was the wicked who were responsible, NOT Christians. And while NO, if you meant by "monopoly", "sin free existence", Christians ARE NOT perfect by any means. But they will not go to Hell when Judgment Day comes for they have become humble and know they're place in God's plan. "Just remember: morality pre-dates Christianity" ======================================== How can you prove this? Have you lived forever? Unless you can prove you have lived for ever, again, this only just a BELIEF.

If it was a Teen rating when it was guy-on-girl, then it should be a Teen rating with guy-on-guy. Being gay isn't illegal, and (at least where I come from), the legal age for homosexual sex is the same as straight sex. Now I'm not gay but come on, live and let live!

@sscuniverse i have decided that since you are so morally superior to everyone else here that from now on i will worship you. Please oh lord sscuniverse who art in charge of all things moral forgive me of my sins and keep me safe from the hordes of gay people that want to violate my orifices. That includes the priests too please. Please smite mine enemys especially the ones that believe in moderation and tolerence. Your will be done amen.

No no no and again, no. A boy kissing a boy. Oh bloody hell, we've got a crisis on our hands!!! /sarcasm Seriously, so what? A guy can go around kissing a ton of girls but if he kisses a guy, woah, now you've gone too far!! That's just crap, in my opinion. I don't get why people are so damn homophobic. You can't catch it!!! Oy vey...

sccUniverse: "You need to realize that Human Law is NOT the same as God's Law. He has much higher expectations for people and only the proud refuse to believe in Him." And you need to realize that God is the vainest being ever. I mean, who creates a race just to have them worship his glory? If we don't fully accept him and everything he is about, we goes to the burning place. I say give me freedom, or give me a pitch fork and horns. There is a fine line people of faith must walk, but if they don't walk it, then they HAVE NO FAITH at all. Isn't one of the tenants of Christianity that you are not supposed to judge? If they be gay so what. Let them. It has nothing to do with you, but you intervene in their personal lives and are like, "You sir are a gay person and will not be receiving god blessing. You will be going to hell." You aren't allowed to hate people by the way, which is what this essentially boils down to. You believe they represent a clear and present blasphemy against your god, your faith, and your constitution (your physical one not the US constitution) and you make your judgments and tear them off their pass to hell. Has god ever came to you and said, "Hey, the gays are gonna burn, pass it down." I should think not. It is your judgment that says that's where they are going hell, and NO person has the right to damn anyone. You concluding someone is gong to suffer purgatory is probably one of the most hate filled conclusions a person can come to, and “Christians” make this supposition all the time. I can’t stand hypocrites, sir, and having this kind of hate and claiming to be a Christian at the same time is a monumental one.

what is wrong with this guy? why is he like this?

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Thompson needs a prostate tickling.

J**k T******n: Maniac AND Homo-phobe?

Wow. Young people armed with affection at a social gathering place. I'd prefer humanity be armed with lips instead of guns any day. Another wrote, "Homosexuality IS comparable to murder, stealing, lying, etc. because it's a SIN." Been reading a book and taking it literally have you?

Okay, now I realize SccUniverse has no life. He has been posting for over an hour. Let it go, C'mon! You sound like your obsessed with this topic. Its funny how SccUniverse sounds like he knows what he is talking about, but in reality he's just saying B.S. Look, I'm a Christian and I don't even agree with you!

Weird.. I presume for the sequel there will be BDSM and Furry-sex scenes as well?

Yes, because anyone other than the religious right gives a crap.

This is lower than low. Jach Thompson resorting to gaybaiting... well, knowing him, it isn't THAT low, but still. I'm sure he can add a couple more people to the "People Who Wish I Would Just **** My Ass To Hell" list.

Thats really bad....i guess

Awesome... boy-on-boy action... teaching teens some basics of life... LOL!

sccUniverse: I know I will never be able to change your views, mostly because there never can be rational debate when one side of the issue feels that "faith" is a valid argument for the viability of any idea. But for someone who says they don't really trust anything that comes out of the mouths of humans anymore, you sure do put a lot of faith in the Bible, which was, of course, put on paper by humans. While no one will be able to effectively debate the existence of God, there can be no doubt that religion is a man-made concept. God may or may have not existed before the time of humans, but there is no doubt that religion did not exist before humans. Have you ever wondered why the three major mono-theistic religions in the world today all trace their roots to the exact same geographical region? And that the earliest of these, Judaism, traces it's roots into pre-history? Have you ever wondered why all three religions share many of the same basic tenets? (i.e. mono-theism, the concept of a messiah, a great flood, etc etc). IT IS BECAUSE THEY ALL EVOLVED FROM THE SAME RELIGION, WHOSE ORIGINS HAVE BEEN LOST TO TIME. The point is that something man-made is fallible, and subject to revision. I believe that if God truly exists, he is less concerned with whether we play video games and more concerned with living by the Golden Rule. You do not want other people defining morality for you, so why do you support someone like Jack Thompson who wants to define morality for everyone? Seems hypocritical to me. Just remember: morality pre-dates Christianity, and if non-Christians truly "hate" Christians like you maintain, it is only because they resent being told they are immoral by a group of people who are responsible for some of the greatest scourges this planet has ever seen. Christians do not have a monopoly on the definition of morality.

all the guys saying that gays are bad and they're disgusted by gay people it's because they're hiding their own homosexuality and want to refuse to accept that. There I said it XD

"FireboltX" p.s, I agree with the person below, trying to be good through religion is being evil to the rest of the world. ====================================== Yes, trying to get people to be Christians is soooooo evil. We try to get people to NOT steal, NOT lie, NOT kill, NOT be greedy, NOT rape, NOT cheat, HAVE happy marriages by avoiding SEXUAL IMMORALITY, RAISE good kids if you have them, HELP their neighbors, LOVE even strangers and put everyone else BEFORE yourself. If that is being "evil to the rest of the world"...wow....you can call me surprised. When's the last time YOU tried to do ANY of those things? Non-Christians are ruled by sinful desires, greed, hate, lies and lust. Case in point: YOU hate Christians. But I don't HATE Non-Christians. So who's really the more evil of the two, when you look at it THAT way??? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "-Mickle- And nice one, comparing being gay to murder, im sure falling in love with sum1 of the same sex and living happily ever after is just like murdering someone, brutally ending their life!" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Okay, so you don't think two different things can be equal? Next time you're with your girlfriend/wife say (and mean it) "I hate you YOU despicable piece of garbage. I NEVER, EVER wnat to see you again you waste of human skin!" Now you did not physically hurt her, but you did KILL your relationship with her. You may have also injured her BEYOND words emotionally. Not the same as a stab in the heart [technically] but I highly doubt that you will ever be able to have any sort of relationship [at least that level] ever again. Homosexuality IS comparable to murder, stealing, lying, etc. because it's a SIN. There is no worse one than the other. Yes, murder can cause a person to never be alive again, therefore the punishment is harsher than someone who say, steals a sweater from The Gap. But they are BOTH crimes and that's all that matters in God's eyes. It hurts him that one causes another person to die but that still doesn't excuse you from his wrath just because you wanted "to make out with another guy". You need to realize that Human Law is NOT the same as God's Law. He has much higher expectations for people and only the proud refuse to believe in Him.

So he kisses a guy and suddenly that's more extreme than kissing a girl? Thompson is just pulling out every excuse he can to get at this game while at the same time just giving it more and more publicity. I really don't see any problem and I aplaud Rockstar for adding this in since it shows that they're trying to branch out a little.

I can't believe what sccUniverse in babbling about. In my opinion the Bible is no other that the best fantasy book ever written. If the Lord of the rings was the oldest we would praise Frodo, Gandalf and the others instead of Jesus. And the simple fact that noone came back from death tells me that noone can say what's in the afterlife, without inventing. You can believe all the inventions you want, you can lean your life to a faith, but I personally don't need a book to drive my life on what I think is the right path, and I'm proud of what I think is right. I'm strong and stable enough to believe that loving someone is natural and is good, indipendently from the sex involved. And I don't feel ashamed in saying that if a god exists, I'm sure he's agreeing with me.

And on topic: The ESRB really seems like it's slipping. Would this kind of stuff be T rated 10 years ago? Probably not... That said, I was watching a trailer for this game, and it looks sort of shallow gameplay wise. Like, are you supposed to just punch the daylights out of kids all the time? Whatever though. I think Thompson is kind of a nutcase about video games. All I ever hear from him is how he's threatening to sue these people, and moving to ban video games from little children because it might warp their mind or something...

to: sccUniverse your quote "NO, the world ISN'T supposed to be a place to have fun. OUR ONLY goal while on this Earth is to avoid going to Hell, THAT'S IT. You are not "entitled" to any fun, any riches, any sex, any love, any ANYTHING. Now the good news is that by being a Christian and trying your best to live like God, you will not struggle with many things that non-believers do." Um, I'm not real keen about jumping in this conversation, but I read this and thought something wasn't quite right here: "OUR ONLY goal while on this Earth is to avoid going to Hell, THAT'S IT." -Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are a Christian as you say, then aren't you already guaranteed not to go to Hell? I believe our goal is to serve God and complete his will for our life. I'm pretty positive the Bible says "that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Simple. So, no that's not our goal. "You are not "entitled" to any fun, any riches, any sex, any love, any ANYTHING." -What? Of course you are! God created all that! Sex is the privilege of intimacy everyone has! A gift from God! Love too! Fun? Yes! So it is true, we may not be "guaranteed" to be rich, or to have sex, or to marry your one true love, but we are certainly entitled to do whatever we want, since we have free will. What we do with our entitlements and whether it's right is another matter entirely. "Now the good news is that by being a Christian and trying your best to live like God, you will not struggle with many things that non-believers do." -Unfortunately, just because you choose to follow Jesus does not mean you will not struggle. If anything, temptations of immorality or idolatry can become GREATER. The devil is not stupid and it doesn't make it easy. I'm really sorry to have picked apart a random paragraph of yours like that. I'm sure alot of what you have said is true. For the sake of discussion however, especially about stuff like homosexuality or anything else for that matter, you need to remember who God really is, what the Bible really says, and what Christianity is really all about. Okay carry on...

I agree with Mickle. This bloke seems to think the having Gay relations is like murder.