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Arrow-verse: Should Batwoman Get Her Own Show After "Elseworlds"

GameSpot and TV Guide are crossing over to talk Batwoman!

Now that Batwoman has arrived and added a new hero to the Arrow-verse--not to mention a location in Gotham City--there are some questions we need to think about. The CW's superhero programming block is already jam-packed thanks to Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, and Black Lightning. Is there room for yet another hero next season?

To figure that out and take a deep dive through everything we learned about Batwoman in the "Elseworlds" crossover event, GameSpot teamed up with TV Guide for a roundtable discussion about whether a Batwoman show should happen and what it might entail. Luckily, thanks to "Elseworlds," we already know quite a bit.


First and foremost, this is a Gotham City that has been abandoned by Batman for one reason or another. In his place, Bruce Wayne's cousin Kate Kane (Ruby Rose) is suiting up at Batwoman to protect what's left of an already devastated city. Also still populating the city, from cells at Arkham Asylum, are the likes of Riddler, The Penguin, Poison Ivy, Clayface, and Nora Fries just to name a few. What stood out in the Gotham-centric "Elseworlds" installment as Easter eggs and open doors to many notable Batman villains and elements fans of the comics will find familiar.

It's, honestly, a remarkable amount of world-building done in a single one-hour episode of TV. What's more, as those who saw the end of "Elseworlds" know, this entire event was all building to next year's crossover, "Crisis on Infinite Earths"--which will include Batwoman and one of the Gotham City foes introduced.

With so much time spent introducing the world of Kate Kane, it already seems like a foregone conclusion that we'll definitely be seeing a lot more of her in the future. Will she get her own show, though? That's something we'll have to wait to find out. In the meantime, join GameSpot and TV Guide in dreaming for the day that happens.

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Mg2018c

Yes, 100%. Please give us this show! I watch all the CW superhero shows, and I think this show would be an amazing addition to the line up. A Batwoman show would be an opportunity to tell a darker, more real story about the struggles of people, (queer or straight) to fit in.

The choice to stand up for what is right even when everything else has gone wrong.

To hope for, and work for, a better tomorrow no matter how bad everything is looking right now.

To me everything is looking and turning darker in the real world. This show is needed.

Please make the show.

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knolddasker

I don't watch any of these crap shows. They are like a bad case of diarrhea

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cjtopspin

Batwoman is actually a thing?

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W4rl0ck

Arrow Flash and Black Lightning. I can't be bothered with Legends.

Runaways Gifted Titans and Cloak and Dagger I watch too.

Bat Woman? Hell no. If they mad it like Titans yeah but it's going to be corny as hell.

Black Lightning villain surprised the hell out of me. It's my stand out now that Netflix canceled Luke Cage.

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NtRocketSurgery

TBH, and this has nothing to do with her character, or her being gay, no. at this point all we've seen is roughly the same premise as Arrow. There wouldn't be a whole lot setting the two shows apart. That coupled with the fact that I just don't buy Rose as a physical combatant. She's far too skinny. That's not body shaming, either, she looks fine health-wise I guess, but she doesnt look like someone who spends time beating up criminals. I bought her as a physical threat in John Wick 2 as Ares, but they did a much better job at hiding how small she is.

I'd be interested if they did a better job with a lot of aspects of her character in the future, buuut as of this moment, as I said, nah.

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GustavoB

No.

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GNS

I care more that Supergirl in her own show spent half the time being locked up. That's just embarrassing.

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Mg2018c

@gns: I know right? The crossover was very berry Oliver focused.

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We don't need Batwoman at all. Getting tired of all the TV shows with PC agendas. I watch TV to be entertained, not to see another progressive ideology propaganda piece.

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NtRocketSurgery

@EliOli: A main character just being gay isn't pushing an agenda. They couldve been a little more subtle than they were, but that's all it was, them not being subtle, which is a fairly systemic problem with the arrowverse as a whole. Nothing she did was out of character, nothing she did would have been unacceptable for a straight person to do. So no, as much as you would like to call it that, it's not propaganda

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Mg2018c

@ntrocketsurgery: lol more subtle? She didn't kiss any girls and there was mild flirting with super girl. How much subtle do you want? Should she have worn a "I'm straight" t-shirt?

I'm just pulling your leg. 🐇

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@ntrocketsurgery: Yes it is propaganda. The fact that you argue that it's not just proves that you've bought into it.

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NtRocketSurgery

@EliOli: sure, bud. I'll just be over here with the non tinfoil-hat wearing crowd. feel free to join when you get rid of yours

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@ntrocketsurgery: My point proven...

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NtRocketSurgery

@EliOli: lol what point? that you think a show portraying something that is normal as normal is somehow propaganda? sure dude. if you believe that I got a bridge to a toy shop in the north pole to sell you.

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@ntrocketsurgery: Of course you don't get my point. That is my point. The progressive agenda is the re-writing of reality. So those that have bought into this propaganda are blind to it because they've already bought it.

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NtRocketSurgery

@EliOli: lol I already elucidated your point and explained why it was nonsense try to keep up.

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@ntrocketsurgery: Actually no. You proved my point and continue to do so.

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NtRocketSurgery

@EliOli: lol whatever you need to tell yourself kiddo.

as you remain unconcerned with things like facts and therefore bore me, I'm done with you now. have a good'n

/muted :)

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@ntrocketsurgery: Actually it's whatever you need to tell yourself friend. The facts are on my side. You've bought the program like a lot of people these days and are just another lemming walking off the edge of a cliff.

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SKOT_FREE

@EliOli: when are you going to realize that the world isn’t going to cater just to you. People want to see characters that they can relate to and they can identify with. If it were up to people like you, we’d still have only White Male characters running around. That sounds quite boring imo.

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feidonwon84

@skot_free: It must be fun being on that high horse looking down on us sinners. Virtue signal away, have fun watching Mary sue, I mean captain marvel. Oh and FYI if they weren't shooting for an agenda then the CW and Berlanti would have given Batgirl or Damian aka Robin their own series. The Arrowverse is full tilt far left agenda driven and Batwoman is one of many examples of it.

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@skot_free: I'm actually Mexican American. And no... People are just buying into all this propaganda. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. The world is going crazy.

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ChldsPlay

@skot_free: Way to twist what he said into some silly strawman argument. The CW has gotten really bad at injecting bad, factually inaccurate, and poorly thought out, politics into it's shows. Particularly Supergirl. They couldn't resist doing it in Elseworlds a few times (usually a Supergirl related character).

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NtRocketSurgery

@ChldsPlay: except what he said *was* a silly straw man.

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ChldsPlay

@ntrocketsurgery: The comment I responded to was. The original post was not.

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NtRocketSurgery

@ChldsPlay: he was portraying them as trying to normalize something that is already normal. that's a straw man.

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ChldsPlay

@ntrocketsurgery: That is not what I was responding to. And that's not what a strawman is either.

And it's not even an untrue statement either (IMO). It would be extremely difficult to argue that the CW does not portray these things as more "normal" (read: common) than they are.

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NtRocketSurgery

@ChldsPlay: If that wasn't what you were replying to then that's fair, but presenting an something which simply and obviously isn't accurate as something which is, is the definition of a straw man. And given the fact that there are maybe 3 or 4 characters across all of the Arrowverse who are gay -not even talking about the network, just talking about the writing that are actually responsible for creative decisions on these shows- that's about the average level of normal.

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ChldsPlay

@ntrocketsurgery: That is not the definition of a strawman. You might want to look it up.

And there have been way more characters than that on CW. Way more, just on the Arrowverse. Three spring to mind from Arrow alone (4 if you count Cat Woman).

Someone did a study on this, and I believe CW was around 10% of characters when in reality it is about 4%, so 2.5 times more common than reality.

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Mg2018c

@ChldsPlay: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna740791

Fact check yourself.

Most the ppl in arrowverse are in the "millennial" age demographic. So they are 1/2 there.

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ChldsPlay

@mg2018c: LOL, right. 20%? Sure, GLAAD, sure.

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springdaddy

What's CW's budget per show? Like $10,000.00?

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feidonwon84

I'd rather not see the low rent woke cheap version of an iconic character like Batman. I don't care about batwoman and I don't think it's fair to give her her own TV show right off the bat (no pun intended) you want to give one of the batfamily their own series try Batgirl. I genuinely respect her and see her as a legitimate crime fighter. In my very personal opinion.

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michaeldark

No. For two reasons.

A) CW ruins DC comics shows with its low budget, cringey attitude. Half the time the "heroes" waste time talking about their relationship issues. The villains are allowed to kill no more than one character per season. Whoever dies returns from the dead via scientific/magical means or gets replaced, sometimes instantly with his/her version from another earth. And a lot of other stuff.

B) Right now we have a Batman b show (Arrow), a Batman junior show (Gotham) and a show with two Robins (Titans). Next year they're making a show about Alfred! When are they going to get serious and give us a proper Batman show, with the actual Dark Knight, and preferably NOT CW; Do you really want ANOTHER Batman-ish character;

Not to mention that who cares about Batwoman; What's next? A show starring Lucius Fox? Or that guy who wipes Bruce Wayne's... sins?

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SLAMMIN23

I watch all these shows and enjoy them i hope all the shows go past 10 seasons if any of you dont like the shows going this long or if u think there are to many of them just don't watch them there the highest rated shows on the cw besides supernatural so there is no reason for them to end and it sounds like the cw wants to keep all of them going.

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DOA2169

IF the CW green lights Batwoman that would be their 6th superhero show on 1 network. It would be extremely difficult to maintain interest in that many superhero type shows. Especially considering the superhero fatigue that Marvel is producing right now, I have been onboard for ten years and I am getting a little tired, I think this wave of superhero genre is starting to wind down.

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DOA2169

After ALL the controversy and the hype about this years crossover; it just felt like 3 hours of easter eggs and fan service than an actual crossover. The actual story was probably 30-40 minutes of the 3 hour run time.

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GNS

@doa2169: Heh, reminds me of Supergirl show, then (the only one I watch from Berlanti anyway). If you reject "previously on", relationship statuses and other soap opra stuff, you actually get 5-10 min. of plot time per episode.

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siarhei

That mask makes her forehead look enormous.

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Ragnarocking

Tbh, not under CW.

I don't even know why i watch Flash anymore.

Make it a show like Titans, not under CW, that show turned out great compared to the rest of DC shows.

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W4rl0ck

@ragnarocking: I'm invested in it and I want to bang all the women in it.

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RogerioFM

To be fair, Arrow should have ended after season 2.

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Jendeh

I'd be really interested if it wasn't CW.

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EdwardNygma

I definitely won’t watch it. Not a great character.

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knifebeater

I don't know why I watch these shows any more... waiting to see things through to the bitter end I guess. This is what, the 7th season of Arrow? It has to wrap up soon right? Both Arrow and the Flash have not been good in years and yet they keep spawning new shows to crossover with. It's interesting how Legends of Tomorrow was left out of this crossover, that show is so bad this season that I swear it's trying to get itself cancelled. Despite all of this, I actually had high hopes for this Elseworlds crossover for some reason, but it was complete crap, and I still don't understand how they resolved everything at the end. Oh well.

Interestingly enough, DC's new Titans show (not on CW) is done by the same show runners (Greg Berlanti/Jennifer Lence) and is significantly better (though still not great).

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Mg2018c

@knifebeater: I think your right, about arrow getting ready to end. And this is how it all resolved.

Oliver made a deal with the monitor, (equivalent exchange) his life to rewrite Flash and Supergirl's destinys so they didn't die. And to help stop the mad scientist.

The Monitor made the deal and have Oliver an arrow to us to stop all the madness. Which is why the arrow Oliver had that he shot at the book was glowing blue.

Further support that Oliver traded his life yet again, (he has made deals like this before, like with the FBI) was the toast he made when he an Berry were having a drink.

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Cyber-A

Yes, definitely, let her have her own show, I mean why not?

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