Posted Dec 2, 2009 4:04 pm PT

nice story

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Posted Nov 6, 2009 10:24 pm PT

@righteous300

pc version after mods makes things MORE varied. especially creature adding mods. but to balence it out get a few weapon adding mods.

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Posted Nov 6, 2009 4:28 pm PT

you spend most of your time in fallout3 wandering the desert more than anything

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Posted Nov 6, 2009 6:16 am PT

@method115, I said the same thing a few pages back. That with so few deep RPG's being released, RPG fans become very loyal to the genre, so are more likely to vote. For example, if you're a shooter fan, you have about 10 games coming out in the next 6 months - but as far as I know we only have Fallout: New Vegas as a possible deep RPG for the next YEAR!

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Posted Nov 6, 2009 6:14 am PT

@ mine20000, I was trying to cut you down to size! LOL!

Let's agree to disagree. I just don't care if it pause-action, like Dragon Age, or real-time like Oblivion or the system Fallout 3 uses. It's what goes on between the combat that makes it an RPG in my book. Can I sneak up to that enemy? Can I talk my way around him? Can I bribe him? Or is my only choice to take him on, full frontal? Is he always in the same place? Is it always the same number of enemies? How did I get to this point geographically? Through bribing another NPC? Finding a map? Or just brought here by a 'corridor' where I had little choice of where to go? it is all these 'non-combat' things that tell me if it's an RPG.

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Posted Nov 6, 2009 6:14 am PT

@ mine20000, I was trying to cut you down to size! LOL!

Let's agree to disagree. I just don't care if it pause-action, like Dragon Age, or real-time like Oblivion or the system Fallout 3 uses. It's what goes on between the combat that makes it an RPG in my book. Can I sneak up to that enemy? Can I talk my way around him? Can I bribe him? Or is my only choice to take him on, full frontal? Is he always in the same place? Is it always the same number of enemies? How did I get to this point geography? Through bribing someone? Or just brought here by a 'corridor' where I little choice of where to go? it is all these 'non-combat' things that tell me if it's an RPG.

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Posted Nov 6, 2009 5:32 am PT

@kamizuka

I think it has to do with the lack of RPG's in general. Honestly I feel there the perfect genre for GOTY awards because they pull you into the game and make you feel apart of it. I think Mass Effect and Fallout 3 both w on GOTY awards though.

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Posted Nov 5, 2009 7:34 pm PT

I do wish to see more rpgs out of the fantasy world though swords dwarves and mages are mighty fun. Something set in this era or recent ones would be interesting.

Though I still must stay my ground on the ME argument. You started with 6 different classes, you chose character background, as you progressed you did level up and allocate skill points. I did however miss attribute points, though most of that was handled through equipment. Non linear worlds have been a recent development in all rpgs, however the choices you made throughout the game greatly affected the outcome.

Though 'The Bard's Tale' was originally a computer game, released first on the Apple II. And I'm sorry where are the open worlds in that game, other than the maze of the dungeons they had, I did quite enjoy them thouhg. Also you could not finish the quests in multiple ways, you may have defeated different enemies because of the random encounter system but in now way did you complete quests with different strategies.

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Posted Nov 5, 2009 7:33 pm PT

@Humorguy_basic

You put 2000 instead of 20000 so I didn't get the notification lol.

I am not sure how but me and treydawg did begin speaking of tabletop rpgs, though your comment of the small minority I do not believe, my grandfather spoke of tournaments him and his friends would play, sometimes even city wide, they actually carved figurines out of wood and painted them just for this lol. The american comment was not supposed to be directed at you, it was the way he said western style rpgs are true rpgs gave me the whole " I am american, the world revolves around me" feeling. As we discuss this further and further I do see your points, and where you are coming from, we seem to have mis-communicated at one point or another whether western or easter, console or computer, I was more refering to combat in either style. I do not believe RPGs in which you are not selecting a character, a command, then selecting enemy and watching that command be carried out are true rpgs. I beleive those turn based rpgs were the first real rpgs, whether they came from the western or eastern world. Then of course there are real time, real time with pause then action, which I find most of the games you mentioned fall under such as fallout. I believe both fallout 3 and oblivion to be action rpgs.

Also IMO the D&D reference to most rpgs is the dice rolling aspect that the player doesn't get to see, experience awarded whether you hit successfully, which creatures you fight when, etc etc.

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Posted Nov 5, 2009 3:58 am PT

@mine2000, yes RPG's were being played as board games going back to the 40's. But it was a very very small minority. I am talking about computer/console RPG's. The mass market for RPG's started with the Atari 800 and Commodore 64.With games like The Bard's Tale trilogy selling millions of copies.This was early 80's onward. Console gaming took off in the late 80's, but for quite a while console was platform gaming. No more no less. With the advent of the Commodore Amiga and Atari ST roleplaying took a bit of a backseat, but then grew again as the PC format grew in the early/mid 90's. I would actually say the majority of fantasy RPG's have been AD&D ripoff's. The Elder Scrolls series, even Dragon Age: Origins! The reason people think AD&D though is the Gold Box series, Pool of radiance, etc. This was such a major series of AD&D games over such a relatively long period, that any game with Orcs and Wizards is seen as AD&D.

What I find frustrating is how few non fantasy RPG's there are, for every Sci-Fi Fallout there are 10 fantasy D&D style RPG's. We see so few non fantasy RPG's that when we get a pure RPG like Fallout 3 it gets called an RPG-Shooter! Oblivion and other fantasy RPG's are genrerally just called 'RPG's'!

If you have played Baldur's Gate and NWN nights etc, I don;t understand why you insist Mass Effect is an RPG just like them! Where are the stats and attribute manipulation? Where is the open, non-linear world? Where are the multiple ways to complete quests?

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Posted Nov 5, 2009 3:42 am PT

@mine2000 - and I am in the UK. So between the U.S. and UK, that's 65% of all PC game sales.....

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Posted Nov 5, 2009 12:34 am PT

@mine20000
yep i am american. if you want me to be more exact then i live in detroit, michigan.

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Posted Nov 4, 2009 11:58 pm PT

@treydawg1

D&D may have been the first company to package and sell a roleplaying game but people were playing them long before 1974.

I hadn't realized you had jumped into the conversation me and humor guy were having, your last post I thought was his, so I assume you are the american?

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Posted Nov 4, 2009 7:54 pm PT

@mine20000

technically rpgs came from dungeons and dragons.

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Posted Nov 4, 2009 5:58 pm PT

Back on topic, there seems to be a lot of irrational runescape hate in here, judging by the comments. Yeah it's not the greatest, but I don't think deserves to be hated. Have any of you actually played the game recently? Or are you just assuming it's horrible because it's popular to think that way?

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Posted Nov 4, 2009 5:50 pm PT

@ rann89

Every single person I know who plays on steam, battlenet or nearly any other pc based system plays with people they don't know in real life. Almost every single person I know who owns xbl or psn plays with a lot of people they know in real life. I'm totally not trying to bash pc gamers or anything: it just seems like people who are casual gamers who like playing with their friends more than with strangers perfer xbl and psn, with it's maddens and halos, to pc based systems, with the rpgs and modable shooters. There are always exceptions, but it's just a trend I've seen.

If you play on steam with ppl u know in real life, more power to ya

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Posted Nov 4, 2009 5:19 pm PT

btw I am a fan of both. I've had DA:O preordered for a while, picked it up yesterday, great game. Contender for the next Ultimate Game of the Year

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Posted Nov 4, 2009 5:17 pm PT

@Humourguy_basic

I'm gonna take a wild guess here, you are american? Because if you think "Western Rpgs" are true Rpgs you are an idiot...again. RPGs or as you refered to them JRPGs have been around alot longer than any of the games you mentioned in your list. I have played plenty of Computer Rpgs in my day, including Baldur's Gate, original Fallouts, NWN, Elder Scrolls, however they came after the traditional RPG, a role playing game, where you take the role of a certain charcter, develop them, and play them through an amazing story. Whether level designs are linear or not, character development, quest strategies are not always. I am not downing Computer RPGs but they are not "true rpgs," they are fun in their own right. The Jrpgs or Console RPGs have been around longer, made the genre and will continue to be the definition of a real RPG.

And stealth is not a weighing factor in whether or not a game can be given the title RPG

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