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cybrcatter
cybrcatter

@ select users ITT: if you think WoT is pay to win, then you're doing it wrong. 

Crush_Project
Crush_Project

the thing that bothered me about wot was that during the alpha and beta people would just camp, and the maps were too narrow to flank them.  Also whenever it counted i always seem to get terrible rolls while all my friends just always seemed to luck out.

 

i dont see much camping in an aircraft game, and mg's tend to have a higher rate of fire to help me with my natural bad luck, so perhaps this could be good times....

ragnar320
ragnar320

now talking about this game my dad got into the alpha and to be honest from what i saw in the alpha stage there wasnt any difference between a light plane medium plane or heavy plane i know thats not what they might be called but idk im more interested in world of battleships

ragnar320
ragnar320

gosh okay guys lets get this straight a game company drops thousands of dollers and man hours making a great game actually that if you get into it its really cool. also THIS GAME IS FREAKING FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE so how the hell are they supposed to make money off this without having people pay money for a perium account which only increases exp and money by 50% thats it also okay you can buy gold rounds and stuff but if you are a crappy players it dosent matter you are gonna get worked i never play with gold outside of clan wars and i can go toe to toe with every tank there is depending on my tier and there tier. also in the time ive been playing theyve realsed about 30 to 40 new tanks at least ten maps and then added two new game modes that are freaking awsome and guess what its still FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE so guys get off your oh its pay to win crap cause its not and if you dont believe try geting a tank company togather and see how well you do with no skill and alot of money

TheTurnedToDust
TheTurnedToDust

I know a lot of people think WOT is a p2w game, i dont share that idea at all. If you take the time to study the game mechanics, learn what the tanks weak and strong points are and understand the maps and play styles you can easaly win 60% of your game without spending a single coin. 

Premium tanks are always subpar to same tier tanks when they are fully upgraded. Gold shells dont win matches, smart players do. It will take you hundreds of games just to understand the basics.

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

I'd be far more interested if they used modern planes.  Enough of these kinds of planes already... are there really flight enthusiasts that orgasm over planes from WW2?

Rox-pox
Rox-pox

Skip this game. It is most likely P2W just like World of Tanks.

TERMINATOR-SSD
TERMINATOR-SSD

Dont make it a Pay 2 Win game........Tanks is a Pay 2 Win game plz dont do that with this...

lopes71
lopes71

problem of world of tanks in high lvl its almost impossible  to earn good credit whit out premium account so in my opinion  its not  a f2p

wezkilla
wezkilla

He said americans are a more flying country that it fits more, did he forget the UK and the RAF or did he not mention it because they are not in it yet?

 

World of Bombs would be more appropriate for the americans 

MoreThot
MoreThot

Looks cool no doubt. However World of Tanks was really boring for me so this will probably be a no even though its f2p.

roguebot
roguebot

Looks amusing. The chances are slim of it being the greatest game in human history, but I'll sign up for open beta.

gamingfrendly
gamingfrendly

i have 2 friends who made it into the alpha testing and both of them say it sucks and the big bombers are controlled by the computer/AI among other points still world of battle ships is the last hope

lilromeo0606
lilromeo0606

Why not just make another crimson skies game?

Gruug
Gruug

This is NOT a flight sim. It is an ARCADE GAME. Video looks and feels very very arcade-like. As someone interested in "flight" in general.....this one is NOT for someone like me.

 

StSk8ter29
StSk8ter29

I like the fact that it's free initially. That way I don't have to outright buy another one of those big name flight simulators. People only tend to play flight combat games for a short period of time and then it's hard to find anybody. So hopefully this being initially free will amend that.

Kayweg
Kayweg

Can we please stop calling it a flight sim ? It is not. ;)

And wargaming isn't marketing it as one either but as an action MMO.

Other than that, i'm looking forward to open beta.

easterbran
easterbran

This looks like a step down from Birds of Steel, yet Birds of Steel has already been released...

victorlamy
victorlamy

ive never bothered to play a flight game with kbm. im just waiting to see how they explain planes disappearing in the sky

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

I am interested in seeing how this pans out. Traditionally flight sims have not been mainstream because the realistic (and dare I say worthwhile) ones have huge entry barrier to non-flight sim players. On the other hand, casual flight games are generally laughed upon by FS players. I just don't think this type of game, pvp or not, will succeed.

Smosh150
Smosh150

I am a fan of Flight sims and WOT, so I will definitely be playing this.

Mariner32
Mariner32

This seems really cool but we've already seen dogfighting games before. World of Tanks was great because it was rather original but, so far, I've seen very little to differentiate World of Warplanes from any other flight sim.

 

Personally, I'm much more interested in World of Battleships.

hofuldig
hofuldig

when the graphics dont look like crap ill play it. for now i think ill just stick to IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover with 128 player multiplayer.

hyp3rknight
hyp3rknight

I can see it now. People will be complaining that the ME262 is OP and needs a nerf.

burnettaj
burnettaj

This games look kind of fun. Going to put a beacon on this one and watch it. A good ole WWII dogfight game is always nice.

Rox-pox
Rox-pox

 @TheTurnedToDust Haha good liar. Say hello to the Chinese tank in WW2. Shells bounce off all day, even if you hit its bottom.

 

Oh and gold shells do win matches if the player is smarter than a rock.

Pyerun
Pyerun

 @wezkilla

 You mean like when the British bombed Dresden for no tactical reason and pointlessly killed 10's of thousands of civilians?

roguebot
roguebot

 @wezkilla I think it was more a reference to culture than military strategy? The US is very much a flying culture, for obvious reasons (the Wright Brothers, the accessibility of pilot training, etc.).

 

Although if there was a "World of Stealth Bombers", the US would probably top that list, too.

Kayweg
Kayweg

 @Gruug Yes, it's an action/arcade game, whichever shoe fits. Why quarrel over the exact genre name ? That doesn't mean it can't be fun...if one is into that sort of thing.

I still play FSX and had a go at X-Plane for a bit. 

Would i like to see a new combat flight sim ? God yes !

But i'm afraid in this day and age it's not going to happen. Neither are tank or naval/submarine sims. (i still can't get myself to delete Silent Hunter III)

Among other things i play WoT, and will give WoWP a go too. I play them for what they are, but i can easily sympathize with your point of view from a "sim only" perspective. :)

 

 

sammoth
sammoth

@Gruug

Thank You, Caption Obvious. It's also not an arcade game it's an action strategy game.

Kayweg
Kayweg

 @Rox-pox How to put this, man ?

I'll be the first in the queue to clamp down on pay-to-win games. I hate 'em. And if you could be arsed to track my posting record, you'd see i'll bloody crusade against them.

Now, i don't know how extensive your WoT knowledge is, but for the benefit of doubt i will assume you're rather experienced. 

In my opinion you would have a very valid point if we were talking about a one-on-one game. Alas we are not. We are talking 15 v. 15.

Gold ammo (higher penetration and same damage as standard ammo) is obviously an advantage. Let's agree on that for the time being.

In random battles (as in non CW battles) gold ammo just doesn't make sense. Yes, i know...some people will still use gold ammo there.

But there's simply too many OTHER factors in a random 15 v. 15 battle that will render a few guys using gold ammo insignificent.

First of all, some people on YOUR team may use gold ammo too.

Secondly there is a good chance that gold ammo users are simply trying to compensate for inexperience (new players). That category of players is not going to contribute much to the team anyway, gold ammo or not.

Third (and maybe most importantly), gold ammo users in random battles find out very quickly that it is too damn EXPENSIVE !

See, the incentive of using gold in the first place is to gain cash and XP faster. 

Buying a premium account and/or buying a premium (gold) tank are much more efficient ways to achieve that.

And as has been pointed out, gold tanks are subpar to their equivalent tiers regular counterparts.

Sorry for the wall of text and topic derailing. WoT certainly is not perfect, but as far as "pay-to-win" is concerned, i have no issues at all !

 

TheTurnedToDust
TheTurnedToDust

 @Rox-pox I have no reason to lie, type in TurnedToDust in the wot efficiency calculator. There are enough people that win more games then they lose without the need of paying.

Gruug
Gruug

 @sammoth

 That's "Captian" not "Caption".

 

And where is the strategy? I can point to 10 ARCADE games that are almost exactly like this one. Point to one "action strategy" game please.

Smosh150
Smosh150

 @Innos007666  @hofuldig Cliffs of Dover? I played the original only, but I heard that Cliffs of Dover was not that good. I may just be thinking from the buggy nature at launch that help it, but IDK.

Rox-pox
Rox-pox

 @ragnar320 I already quit the game before that tank was nerfed. And don't even talk to me about skills, I have  tanks above tier 7 and VK 2801 (my favourite tank from t5)

ragnar320
ragnar320

 @Rox-pox

 also dude they have nerfed the crap out of the type 59 the only chinese tank fyi and its decent but its not a god and also if you arent skilled in the game you probally wont make it past tier 6 or 7 anyway

sammoth
sammoth

 @Rox-pox

There are no Chinese tanks in WOT's. Unless you're saying Chinese players and how would you know they are Chinese?

Rox-pox
Rox-pox

 @Kayweg That's ok I read your text. And yeah I have played WoT for couple of months until I got sick of it.

Basically the one who doesn't pay has to heavily outskill the paying gamer which already defines P2W. It is completely unfair when equal-tier tank's shells bounce off the Chinese tank while it can 1-3 shot the rest of the tanks.

I always saw Chinese tanks rushing like idiots, shells bouncing off them while they keep destroying everything else.

 

This game's P2W is only second to RYL 2 (Risk Your Life 2)

sammoth
sammoth

 @Gruug

 You're just trolling. Why should I have to explain. If you don;t understand my 2nd comment then i'm not going to repeat myself. Kayweg explained it very well to you.

Gruug
Gruug

 @sammoth

 I'll bite....what "RTS" aspects are you speaking. I am not aware that any RTS is really a RPG at all.....of course...you can imagine I guess. I am asking what STRATEGY elements are there in this game? I certainly do not see any. Again, it is NOT a flight sim. It is not a strategy game that I can see at all. It is a fantasy arcade shooter with everything but the beer and pretzels.

sammoth
sammoth

 @Gruug

 

You clearly haven't played WOT. Nor have you played this to judge it. RTS are action based strategy games. Though this isn't an RTS it uses strategy with action. How hard is that to comprehend? I know you being a flight sim nerd could understand the difference between the 2. Keep in mind that I never said it was a sim. It may have sim aspects but, it’s not. Overall there is tactics to the game also has an RPG aspect to it like most RTS’s.